Quick question for some here on AP. On the last play of the Cards vs. Packers game, Rodgers was...

Quick question for some here on AP. On the last play of the Cards vs. Packers game, Rodgers was facemasked after the ball was loose. I have read that the ref is supposed to watch for possession and not watch the quarterback after a fumble takes place.

My question is, if this had been during the game and not in OT would there have been a flag that would have been assessed on the kickoff.

Basically, I am asking if the reason for the no call is that it happened after the ball had been knocked loose and is therefore applied to the next play?

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Nope

Flag shoulda been thrown, stopping the play. 15 yard penalty on Arizona, Green Bay with the ball and a first down.

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jan 11, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions

Thanks Joel

That sucks for GB because it was one hell of a game. Rodgers definetly matured sitting on the bench and has shown that may be the best way to groom a QB. He is phenomenal!

Is this appropriate for a fan shot?

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Jan 11, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions

Is this appropriate for a fan shot?

It absolutely is.

Hail to the king, baby.

by IISaiNtII on Jan 11, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks

Didn’t want to get ripped for creating a fanpost that has no business being one.

I hate when great fanposts are gone within a day because of 7 mock draft and FA posts!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Jan 11, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

Penelty would not "stop the play"

just as any other penalty doesn’t stop play i.e. holding, pass interference. The only time it stops a play is when it happens prior to the play starting. I think KC4 is right. The only question is does it effect possession of the ball. If it doesn’t I would think it would be Cards ball with 15 yards tacked on from the spot of fowl or fumble recovery and negating the TD.

by ICTChief on Jan 11, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions

More explanation from the league

Here.

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jan 11, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions

It doesnt "stop" the play.

But it does take into consideration whether the penalty occured before change of possesion. Its like if you threw an interception but there was defensive holding before the throw/completion the defense doesnt keep the ball.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 11, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

I was under the impression thet

there was a holding call, before the facemask thats yet another reason it wasnt called

by Bestofthewest on Jan 11, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions

You would think

that they would at least throw the flags and then explain that they offset.

This was really confusing to watch and I’d be pissed if I was a GB fan for the lack of explanation from the league

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Jan 11, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

If they offset it would be replayed down and no possesion change.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 11, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

+1

You are 100% right. The major penalty happened before change of possesion and I’m sure we’ll see an apology from the league sometime this week.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jan 11, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

The Ref

is responsible for both calls, he has to watch the ball but he’s still there to protect the QB, it was unfortunate but it happens. The play before that should have been called too, the helmet to helmet on Rodgers was obvious, but again the ref was busy calling holding.

by JohnNdallas on Jan 11, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions

Regardless

The refs cant see EVERYTHING….during the last play, im sure the ref was looking at the ball that got knocked out before the facemask occured. Then of course looking at Dansby intercepting it and taking off. Facemacking is not a reviewable play so….same thing on the helmet to helmet hit….ref was looking at the obvious hold and not at Rodgers. The hold was actually a tackle…the o-lineman had the guy around the ankle

by KCinAZ on Jan 11, 2010 1:11 PM CST reply actions

Exactly!

by JohnNdallas on Jan 11, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

Hypothetically

Suppose it had been reviewed in the booth say to check if it was truly a fumble recovery or an incomplete pass and they had then spotted all this facemask stuff, could they have then called the penalties? My understanding is probably not.

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010

by sir eccles on Jan 11, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions