Thoughts on the Chiefs Signing Former Eagles RT Jon Runyan
The possible addition of RT Jon Runyan is making waves among Chiefs fans, and for good reason. The right side of the line is well-documented as the weakest part of the offense of the Chiefs and that's not just a fan's opinion. Even the front office seems to be throwing everything but the kitchen sink into the RG and RT and, apparently, nothing's working thus far.
With Runyan in Kansas City for a physical, we asked JasonB over at Bleeding Green Nation for his insights into the longtime cornerstone of the Eagles offensive line:
On Runyan's health:
My first concern with signing Runyan would obviously be his health. He had microfracture surgery on his knee in the offseason and was only cleared to start running a few weeks ago. So here's a 36 year old player, coming off surgery, who hasn't even been able to run all summer. Add in the fact that he's had back problems the past few years and there's red flags all over that one.
On Runyan's attributes:
Jon Runyan is one of the NFL's great ironmen. He's second only to a punter for the longest consecutive games played streak amongst active players. He's a gamer in every sense of the word, he will play hurt, and can still play well. I don't know how smart it would be to bring him in and start him right away, but in a few weeks he'll probably be fine.
The good thing about a guy like Runyan is that he's never really relied on athleticism to play his game and that's allowed him to remain effective even though he's probably lost a step or two. He's smart, nasty, and frankly he knows how to cheat. If there's a lineman that gets away with holding more than Runyan, I'd like to know who he is... That's no knock on Runyan either. Good players learn how to get away with that stuff. Michael Irvin got into the hall of fame committing offensive pass interference on every other play. It annoys opponents, but it's awesome when he's your guy.
On Runyan's possible mentoring role:
One thing I will note after reading some of the comments on your original post is that I wouldn't be expecting Runyan to come in and be a mentor to your young lineman. That's just not the kind of guy he is. Not that he's a bad teammate or anything, he's just a competitor and always wants to play. He's always come off as somewhat annoyed when he's been asked about "mentoring" younger players. He's not there to teach anyone, he's going to do his best to make sure those kids sit on the bench and never play. I never took this as a bad thing because that same attitude is what makes him such a ferocious competitor on the field.
On Runyan's attitude:
Also, he's not going to want to be a backup. He never has and it's just not in his nature. Maybe at first while he tries to get back in shape... but soon he's going to want to play every down. He's been saying all summer that if the Eagles were to sign him back that he'd win the starting right tackle job no matter who he faced. Again though, that competitive attitude works for him.
All things considered, I like what I hear. Health concerns remain but his attitude actually seems ideal for the Haley-run version of the Chiefs and that attitude alone would mentor fellow players. Many thanks to JasonB for his thoughts.
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I was just thinking that our O-Line needs to get nasty
This guy could maybe give the line a little swagger.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 9, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's time for the BIG NASTY
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
by Justin Bopp on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conrad Dobler to play Guard?
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by Lanier63 on Sep 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Runyan would be ok...
I’d rather have Langston Walker as he could be the answer at RT for like 3-5 years.
by golfbard on Sep 9, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
May
we have both please~
ty
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One in TEN MILLION make a HUMAN!
by Kansan_Chief on Sep 9, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker or Brown
I like both of those options better than Runyan…
But, if Runyan looks good in his workout, why not bring him in?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of meh
I wouldn’t be against the signing, but I don’t see him being productive be of health issues and he will only be here for a year if that.
by Scaryclouds on Sep 9, 2009 10:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if they'll give Sean Mahan a look
since Bill Muir had him in Tampa Bay
by golfbard on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he can still play that would be great
There is nothing wrong with a lead by example kind of guy, even Cassel has called himself that. Runyan may not take the younger players to the side and help them but all they would have to do is watch tape on him and learn that way.
the truth is the players like Vrabel are few and far between, he shows how to do it on the field and will take you to the side and help you learn. I loved in the pre season when they showed the side lines when Vrabel wasn’t playing he wasn’t just sitting there he was standing over other players on the bench talking to them
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thinnk about Corey Mays having a full season to learn
from the master.
by G.L. on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The agruement for Runyan?
The general argument here for Runyan is that he won’t hurt the team, salary cap space isn’t an issue, and at least he is another body for depth no?
Well all I have to say is why Runyan? Personally I have no faith in him being able to contribute. I think we would have been much better off getting Pathos. In the end, its just hard for me to get excited about what seems like a last ditch effort right before the season : /
ps I’m a Chiefs fan in Chicago who is fed up and embarrassed by fellow Chiefs fans who blindly follow whoever is in charge of the Chiefs (Carl Peterson’s 15 years). I’m sorry I’m more critical of your beloved Pioli than you would want me to be. I’m not Rin Tin Tin or Carl Peterson
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by AK_47 on Sep 9, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha Rin Tin Tin is famous I guess
I hear what you’re saying…On the one hand, he’s coming off of surgery. On the other hand, he hasn’t missed a game since ’97.
I don’t see the problem with him coming in (after week one when his salary won’t be guaranteed), and seeing some time at RT. If O’Callaghan beats him out, great. If not, then that means Runyan is a better option.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will be interesting to see if he can pass that brutal physical
You know Haley and Pioli won’t let him cut corners. They wouldn’t want to cut a player who has a bond with the team from going all the way through that hellish training camp to make room for a guy that is not 100%. They passed on Pathos. I would be surprised to see them nab Runyan
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by AK_47 on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear God Rin Tin Tin
that guy is a freaking nut job. I hope he never shows up here. You all remember “Herm’s the Man” fromt he KC Star boards? It is the same guy. He has got some serious issues upstairs.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually has a few fans over at Bob Gretz.com
Just nuts.
Daddy-O
WTF is he talking about?
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'd last long here
The reason he trolls that site is he knows he can get away with it. With something like this he would actually have to contribute something, rather than just try to piss people off. He’d be booted within a week.
by TheScootness on Sep 9, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if he is on AP
just doesn’t act like he does on there, he does have football knowledge, so you know he follows the game. But the way he acts on there you have to wonder if he is all right in the head.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why i stopped going to the star website
Herm’s the man was annoying…I find it hard to believe he wasnt annoying himself. There was another famous poster on that board who’s name I can’t recall. I think it was “Paul” something, knack for ticking everyone off.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rin tin tin is why I don't read the comments on Bob Gretz's page.
Man that guys a tool.
by Chief Crazy on Sep 9, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just skip over ANY of his posts. makes life way more pleasant over there.
More and more people think he’s actually Gretz. I think he’s Rufus dawes, who may or mat not be Gretz.
by dablueguy on Sep 9, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Star Convert
Yeah. I joined the KC Star forums about 2 weeks ago, and it’s frigging rediculous. Nothing but a bunch of ignorant whiners over there.
So… I’m new here, and am hoping this forum has more thoughtful input from it’s contributors than the commonplace “we suck, we’ll never be any better and blah blah blah”. Hermtheman and nswclb were two of the most annoying, ignorant bufoons I’ve ever seen in any forum. There’s no way they can be classified as real Chiefs fans. There were several others that were highly suspect, though they were mostly just a bunch of whining kids.
Anyways, hello forum. It’s nice to see that for the most part the majority here seem to be educated fans.
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome
you’ll like this place much better, guaranteed
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"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fed up and embarrassed?
get over it, there has to be someone for chiefs fans to hang their hat on! Pioli and Haley ARE doing great things, they may not win alot of games but they are TRYING and showing they know what to do! Look at how much play time KC has been getting this year on ESPN and NFL network! Last year and the year before it was just Herm and the term rebuilding. Watch Arrowhead this year and you wont see empty seats, the fans believe. Half way through last year i think the vendors outnumbered the fans.
PS Im a Chiefs fan in Oklahoma and fed up and embarrassed by fellow Chiefs fans who blindly follow all the negativity. Im sorry your more critical of Pioli and Haley because they are going to show you and everyone else!
by jrcnc on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm from Missouri
Its called the Show Me State
I certainly hope they win too! I’m really excited about Haley and Pioli too, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with everything they do.
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Sep 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im from Missouri also
deployed to Iraq 3 times and now the Marines have me in Oklahoma but i still trust the process. I do believe what you say but I have to believe what i see. They are doing good and i believe in the future this will be the Chiefs team i remember watching in SWMO growing up. I really do! Did you get excited when they hired Pioli and Haley? i know just to not to have to look at Herm or Carl anymore got me excited
by jrcnc on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it did
Like I’ve said I was tired of Carl Peterson and his super long tenure. As sad as seeing the stands empty last year sometimes fans have to voice that displeasure to sometimes get change. Us filling the stands was the reason Carl was there for so long after all.
This year is different. I’ve bought my D Bowe and Jackson jersey. I’m supporting the team as much as I can from my small vantage point. I only lend my criticism since I feel posters on here being critical of Pioli and Haley are a very small minority. So sorry for pissing so many people off last night. I lost it when I saw everyone instantly falling in love over this old man.
As excited I am for this season, I also can’t remember a season I was this scared about the potential of it going terribly wrong (our oline scares me to death). At least we have the Raiders and Broncos in our division.
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by AK_47 on Sep 9, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I look at the positives
If Herm was still here we would be going for our 3rd year of him trying to make Brokie the starter.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, "Show Me" State
I’m from the Sunflower State, so shut the hell up.
j/k
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Sep 9, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a sunflower stater as well...
You know why it’s called the show me state?
Because they can’t read.
kidding.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 9, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This coming
from a couple ass clowns who’s state is named after a weed, and a college mascot is a mythical bird.
Fuck you ,Fuck kansas
Oh kidding
by Bestofthewest on Sep 9, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a keystone state person
living in the nutmeg state :/
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 9, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My argument for Runyan
is that if he looks healthy in his workout, and looks better than the other guys we have, then we should try to sign him.
I don’t have blind faith in Pioli, but I do have confidence in him based in the fact that he’s actually trying to address the weaknesses in a systematic manner. When a weakness becomes clear he tries to fix it (based on what’s available…an important point). With CP it seemed that the team would make their off-season transactions & hope for the best.
by jmcgoblue on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being critical is fine
but why do you insist that anyone who disagrees with you is “blindly following”? I suppose if we were “blindly following” you, that would be fine.
Get over yourself.
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by KCSatchmo on Sep 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point we don't have a starting right tackle.
O’Callaghan might be able to handle it but we don’t know. Ndukwe might be able to handle it but we don’t know. Runyan could probably handle it if he were not coming off an injury, but we don’t know. Too many questions and not enough offensive linemen.
by G.L. on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a life long Chiefs Fan like the lot of you,
but I also follow certain player through their career if I see that they meet my standards for a football player and person. Jon Runyan is one such player. He will probably get the job done if his leg were falling off. Last year he put off surgery to lead his o-line to the play-offs, the guy is a warrior. There is no way he won’t be at least a one year stop gap to allow them to address the issue in a more thought out manor. He will be very effective if signed by the Chiefs.
by fishhooks on Sep 9, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's better at holding and not getting caught than anybody?
Sign him now. maybe he can teach the youngsters how to cheat and not get caught.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sign him now
bring him in, let him get in shape. There have been several comments on here about how we will get better down the stretch, well bring him in and once hes in shape that will improve our line down the stretch. i can just picture him sitting there watching the right side of our line get destroyed and motivate him to get healthy and come in and contribute! sign him now
by jrcnc on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is one problem with that.
By the time Runyan is healthy and ready to play, our current line will be starting to gel. Then, you can’t bring in another guy and disrupt a line that is starting to find it’s groove. We need a guy who can contribute immediately.
I’m not against bringing him in, I just wish he could play now. O’Callaghan should be our guy as soon as he is able to learn the ropes unless they find an upgrade soon.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but maybe that nastiness will be a good thing
and i feel he will be able to gel relatively quick. what if the line doesnt find a groove at all wouldnt it be a good thing to have him on standby?
by jrcnc on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sounds like ...
The kind of guy with the drive and determination that our O-Line really needs.
We don’t need workhorses. We’ve got those in Waters and Albert.
We don’t need smart guys. We’ve got that with Niswanger.
What we need is a badass whose going to knock people around and trash talk and do his damnedest to make sure he’s on the field every damn play whether he’s hurt or not and still play and play well. That sounds like Runyan.
by JacinB on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he can help
keep our QB vertical instead of horizontal lets bring him in.
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Runyan, if it was 2002.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 9, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We had a good line in 2002.
If I’m wishing for things, I wish we would have drafted more than 1 Offensive lineman since 2002
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by craig in calgary on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Sampson OT
Will Svitek OT
Jeremy Parquet OT
Tre’ Stallings OT
Herb Taylor OT
Barry Richardson OT
Branden Albert OL
by jk86 on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herb Taylor, Jordan Black?
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 9, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must mean, we have drafted 1 good OL since 2002
by saskwatch on Sep 9, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I mean.
Actually 2. WILL SVITEK WAS AWESOME. I refuse to use the sarcasm font but you get my jist.
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by craig in calgary on Sep 9, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or... Roaf, chapter 2?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I read this title
I thought that the Chiefs already signed him… Thought that I missed something!
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Sep 9, 2009 10:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yes...it was misleading somewhat...
That and it stated as fact that he was here for a physical but it was just reported by a small time website that he was in KC….booooooo
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by woodman212 on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is done that way for search engines across the 'net
We aint got guys running this gig who are rookies anymore :)
He fooled me again also.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Sep 9, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea....i had to scroll down immediately to see a headline....
lol
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by woodman212 on Sep 9, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the line that he "knows how to cheat"
A guy with a high football IQ knows when to break the rules and when not to.
For instance, if you are a cornerback, and a WR is streaking down the sidelines for the TD, and the only way you are going to have any shot of getting him down is to pull the facemask, you pull the facemask and take the personal foul, but you don’t let 6 on the board if there is a way you can prevent it.
You start to realize stuff like this that transcends the game when you take up officiating. Someone who knows how to get away with things consistently in his profession means he’s smarter than the average player, and has his priorities in order.
Just my opinion.
by jcru on Sep 9, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The word "Mentor" has been thrown around so much this offseason...
it’s getting tiresome haha
by worc on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
same goes for “veteran leadership.” No vet is looking to teach the guys who are gunning for their jobs.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we will sign him, but probably not until tuesday.
If Pioli waits until after week 1, none of his salary is guaranteed. There is no risk for us then anyway. Runyan would not be ready to play this week anyway, so why sign him no just to guarantee his salary for the year.
by saskwatch on Sep 9, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus who do you cut?
If they can wait until they’re sure about Cassel’s ability to play they can then drop there fourth QB. That then puts them at 9 OL which is what most teams carry through the season.
by ICTChief on Sep 9, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question
is why did they wait SO LONG to address this issue.. or maybe I should say why did they wait so long to SOLVE this issue..now we’re fighting for left-overs in a last minute chance to improve the right side.
Please prove me dead wrong O-Line cause that Baltimore defense is nasty.
Even with all these potential holes in the offense right now I can’t wait until Sunday. In my opinion its always better to be the underdog.
Now the main question is where am I drinking beers on Sunday? lol
by chiefnyc on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No better options have been available...
Really dude….
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by woodman212 on Sep 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has also been injured
and just recently been cleared to run. what would be the point in signing him before we knew if he would be physically able to play?
by KCScuba on Sep 9, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they did not like any of the optionns that were availavle before the cutdowns.
Good personell guys (and I sure hope Pioli is one) have a good idea of players that might be released. Perhaps they felt that there would be better options after the cuts than before. Ruynan is a little different becasue he was injured.
by saskwatch on Sep 9, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New rule
Anyone over the age of 33 should not be signed by the Chiefs. Ever.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still was holding out for Anthony Munoz
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by woodman212 on Sep 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck
You would think the way some people have been acting around here. I love how Pioli has changed this fanbase’s attitude towards players. We went from being suckers for young talent (UDFA’s) to being suckers for old, over-the-hill vets that should be signging their retirement papers instead of their next contracts
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh how things change around here.
People loved the youth movement, now it’s about getting that vet experience
people loved Brokie then hated him now like him again as a back-up
people loved Thigpen now think he is trash
people loved Pollard not so much now
people never wanted Tony to leave now happy with a pick that didn’t help us this year.
Before I get bashed i am not saying everyone did these things but if you have read AP then you know some have. I know I am guilty of rethinking how I felt about certain things.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of consistency is kinda dissettling
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
-The youth movement was good, since all we had before were crusty vets. Then we saw what happens when you don’t have any vets, so naturally people are happy to get some.
-A lot of people were skeptical of Brokie from the very beginning, but they were hoping he’d turn out because we’d been living on recycled QB’s for years. Then they hated that he couldn’t stay healthy and that Herm couldn’t get that through his head. Now that he’s still on the roster, people realize he’s a better backup than Thigpen.
-Thiggy earned a place in people’s hearts for his efforts last year, but now we’ve come to realize that he’s just not a starting caliber QB. He’s taylor-made for the spread and fails without it (and is still inconsistant even when he runs the spread). I think people latched onto him just because he was a bright point in a season of failure and our standards were lowered. He’s shown what he really is now.
-Pollard has gotten a lot of criticism ever since he was drafted. I think people saw good things about him and hoped for more, but now realize that we can do better in many ways. Again, lowered expectations because of the losing culture. Most of us have been blinded to what real football teams should look like because of the last few years of mediocrity.
-A lot of people said they wanted Tony to leave so he could get a shot at a championship. I think it’s good that we got a 2nd for him, but I don’t think anyone’s really happy that it wasn’t for this year.
And you are correct, this is not the standard for everyone by any means. But I don’t think you can talk in absolutes like that. Yes, people have changed their attitudes about things (myself included), but I think most of that is just trying to be positive. We realize we have to accept whatever direction the team decides to go in, and try to find justification for their decisions. More than anything, people will support it just because it’s a new HC and GM. I know I give them the benefit of the doubt myself just because I was so tired of Herm and Carl.
Bottom line: this is what 98% of the fanbase wanted – new leadership. Dissention is good, but at least try to give the new brass some time and see how things work out before getting too worked up. We finally got what we’d been asking for for years. Let’s enjoy it for a while before it just turns into the constant bitching about the administration like last time.
by TheScootness on Sep 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good points
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by Chief_Elmo on Sep 9, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure why you wrote this comment?
My comment was just a reply to Shuffle listing some of the things people have been on both sides of the fence on and debated about. I wasn’t going for or against any of them. But you did prove the point though by stating your opinion about the subjects, others have a different opinion.
I don’t agree or disagree with any of your points,because none of them matter now because they are already done or Pioli/Haley will make the choice. and so far I have liked what they have done.
As to your opinion about the youth movement being good and having only crusty vets, others have said the youth movement was bad and some of the vets have went on to play good for other teams and 3 that I know of have been to the pro bowl since Herm either traded them or let them go.
As to your opinion on Croyle people would argue why would you want a QB that you have to worry about getting hurt on every play as your #2, if Haley like him and felt good with him we would not have 4 QB’s on the roster. and if Haley thought Thigpen was as bad as you say, Haley would have taken that 5th and ran.
My point is everyone looks at something in a different way, and that is what is great about this site. We can come on here and discuss things and see how other people look at it. I didn’t look at anything in absolutes. I said, I too have changed my mind on things about the Chiefs.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Maybe I read your post wrong then. I thought you were critical of everyone changing their minds about things, and I was offering explanations for those changes of opinion.
As far as the QBs, I agree. I think that Croyle definitely has more accuracy than Thigpen, but is still a liability. I’m really not comfortable with either one of them being on the roster. Also I’m still not sure what’s going on with the 4 QBs on the roster. I can’t see them going forward much longer like that. I wonder if they were trying to let Thiggy showcase a bit so they could drive it up to a 4th rounder. Then Thigs stinks it up and kills trade talks altogether. Now they don’t know what to do with him because they’d like to get some value for him instead of just cutting him. Hard to say.
Love the sig BTW.
by TheScootness on Sep 9, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
What I think is Haley can’t trust any of the Qb’s they have all shown they have problems, but I also think he has seen things he likes about them. I don’t like Croyle, I did, but we have heard how good his arm is for going on 4 years now. He can’t stay healthy and he seems to fall apart when he get near the red zone. As far as Thigpen goes the first pre season game he did what he does he went 74 yards and got our first TD. But ever since he got that late hit and got hurt he has not played the same. If he is that hurt why has he been playing? I don’t know but I wouldn’t trust him either if I was Haley. And Gut is a Pioli guy so we know why he is here.
I thought they would have got another Qb during the cuts but they didn’t so Haley knows something about these QB’s that we don’t know.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is
we aren’t going back to the Peterson way where you try and hold something together by patching in veteran FA year after year and then hanging on to those veterans well after they stop helping the team. We are trying to build a long term winner. That means we need a mixture of both young and old. If we need an “old, over-the-hill vet” to keep our “young talent” QB standing so we can build around him then bring him in. We aren’t going to start a young guy just because he’s young and watch the team suffer like Herm did. We also won’t keep Runyan around once he can’t contribute anymore like Peterson would have.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
by KCporkchop on Sep 9, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In order to get to the point
Where we can release players who are just past their prime we need to have a depth of players that we have trained up who can replace them. We don’t have that yet. Yet.
We went with the Keep the Vet route and the Young at All Costs route. Now we need to build from both ends and if that means we get some stopgaps until we have the quality players and the system where we have backups itching to get in their playing time and prove themselves, and then do prove themselves, well so be it.
“it’s a process…”people.
haha.
by Eastcoastransplant on Sep 9, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. It’s usually a bad deal. There are exceptions, but generally if you stick to that rule you’ll be a better franchise in the long run.
by dablueguy on Sep 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Vrabel?
Following that rule, we probably would’ve lost out in that and a few other instances…
I’m not ready to follow those types of rules, since some players are still able to contribute at 34 or older. IMHO (where the h = humble), I think that there are some veterans (>33) who can come in and be an instant upgrade at specific positions. They may not be long term answers, but we had alot of gaps to plug on this team, so they provide a short term stop-gap solution.
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Sep 9, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vrabel is 26
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he turned 34 last month, in case you really want to know.
by ttownmikey on Sep 9, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gannon was how old when he went to the championship?
37? Just sayin…
by Eastcoastransplant on Sep 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
QBs are a lil different than most positions
they tend to get hit less. some of the more extreme examples of QB’s playing longer are Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham.
by TDubb on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that all depends on how strong your
Offensive line is yes? But also in terms of Gannon, he played on 5 teams over a career that spanned 17 years. Not every team had an amazing offensive line. You don’t stay in the league for 17 years, no matter what position you play, unless you are good enough to well, play. If he rode the bench the whole time, well he wouldn’t have gotten picked up by other teams right? So obviously he had skills. And if you are playing and you are the QB, then you best be good enough, to not get hit, all the time. You have to protect the ball, throw the ball, lead; all that, but you also have to protect yourself. You are the proverbial deer in the hunter’s sights.
by Eastcoastransplant on Sep 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d much rather go after RT Langston Walker. Bigger, Younger, and BETTER.
by dablueguy on Sep 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tricep hair
I’ve always liked Runyan, he’s big and nasty. He even has tricep hair, like Jon Alt used to. The hairy triceps, that’s a sign of a nasty OT.
If Runyan can pass Pioli and Haley’s workout enough so that they want to sign him, then he’s probably healthy enough to help us. I don’t care how old he is, if he can help keep the pass rush off Cassel this season, then that’s a good thing for this year and the future.
If any young OL deserves playing time, he can try to beat out old Runyan for it. If he can’t, he doesn’t deserve it and isn’t ready anyway.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 9, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I approve of this pro-tricep hair message.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
by Justin Bopp on Sep 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there is a link
between tricep hair and roids.
by KCScuba on Sep 9, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think there is a link
between tricep hair and plain old testosterone. That is a good thing……… old, mean, nasty, and yikes, horny?
by G.L. on Sep 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And think about how NE did things,
I know it’s getting old; this is KC not NE… but Pioli is a / was a , NE guy, so just hear me out – They’d pick up players like Junior Seau when they needed them. Stopgap if you will, but a necessary one. I mean Seau came out of retirement what, twice? for the Sweatshirt and Pioli.
by Eastcoastransplant on Sep 9, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any update?
are we signing runyan or not if hes taking a physical its a good sign after working out for us???
i am a diehard chief fan and have been since 1992 and that wont ever change my current favorite player in the entire nfl is chiefs wr dwayne bowe
chiefs rule!!!
by kcsam on Sep 9, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would feel cool
cuz i signed runyan in my madden franchise wit the Chiefs – LJ led the league in rushing =) and YES i ran to the right side a lot!
by CHIEFER on Sep 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I tried that,
but the jerk wouldn’t agree to terms. What did you offer?
by Reno_Chief on Sep 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about this and questioned it yesterday...
Every other plaer we’ve worked out we’ve gotten a valid report somewhere confirming it. It just seems strange to me that there is no reported evidence that we even worked him out. Seems strange that all the outlets would have a story that Runyan is cleared to play and nothing about him working out anywhere.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 9, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh I hate misleading titles.
This made it sound like we already signed him, so I got all excited for nothing.
It ranks up there with “Chiefs release depth chart: Bowe, Tank…” and i read “Chiefs release Bowe, Tank” and “Carl Peterson resigns” which i read as “Carl Peterson re-signs.”
by Vince D on Sep 9, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stopgap needed
I am not that familiar with this guy, but the new Chiefs need help on the right side, period. Experience, savvy, and attitude by example is what will teach the real future RT, whoever that may turn out to be. KC simply has to protect its QB this year and learn how to win. I think this would be great stopgap for the Chiefs, while they learn how to win. I would add an extra victory or two in the Chiefs column if this deal is made.
by Area52 on Sep 9, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's Jon?
I don’t see him on the Chiefs roster.
by elektroman on Sep 9, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My bad.
I thought the Chiefs signed him but then I read that there was a “possibility” that they could sign him.
by elektroman on Sep 9, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't be any worse....
What’s up forum? I’m a KC Star convert, and I have to say, this forum is awesome. You guys all seem really educated and don’t exhibit most of the mindless ramblings that were so common place at the Star. Not to mention a lot of you guys are cracking me up. the “play through a leg falling off” bit is gold. I also liked the “He gets away with cheating?!…. sign him now!”. About Runyan:
Yeah, let’s try this guy out. I like OL men with attitude that may not be the best althletes, but are tough as nails and are willing to do almost anything to make the play work. At least if he gets called for holding you’ll know the QB wasn’t sacked. LOL. I’ve always said I’d like the Chiefs to get Conrad Dobler-like players for OL.
To me, OL has more to do with attitude than athleticism. Yes, you have to have good footwork and hand skills, but aside from that, it’s about being a dominant, aggressive player that is determined to impose your will on your opponent. Being nasty and violent is what it’s all about in the trenches. Bring this guy in. He definately can’t make things any worse than they already are.
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your not hermstheman trying to corrupt our site are you?
j/k welcome to AP, this is the best place for all things Chiefs.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 9, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If I was I wouldn't last very long
I’ve already noticed that the admins are all over ignorant bantering. If you really must know, I’m tjjohnson on the KC Star. I don’t have anything to hide.
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 10, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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