Why is everyone so upset Pollard is gone?
by NCchief65 on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 PM CDT
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Is it because he was a starter or did you think he was a good safety. I liked him on special teams and he did shows signs of some ball hawking skills. Overall he made a lot of mistakes. Yeah he hits hard but how many missed tackles did he have? Forget about the missed tackles, what about the bad angles he took regularly. As a safety you have some very critical responsibilities. 1- don't let the offense get past you ( i saw a lot of big plays over the last couple of years) 2- when you tackle, wrap up(you are typically the last line of defense). i enjoyed his dancing on hard knocks, loved the nickname and i certainly wish he wasn't such an early pick. On another site I saw someone call him the defensive MVP. Even an MVP of a very bad team gets picked up fast. Where did he land?
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Careful, there are some people that are CRAZY MAD about him being gone.
I for one have never understood the man love for a run support safety who was a sloppy tackler. If you’re a safety and you can’t cover you better be a GREAT tackler. If you are a sloppy tackler you better be GREAT in coverage. If you can’t cover AND you are a sloppy tackler, you shouldn’t be starting in the NFL.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
by KCporkchop on Sep 8, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 and reced
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Sep 9, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but it's a wash because we got Page in the same draft in the 7th
i was surprised he was gone but certainly not upset. I am upset he never panned out
wafflehead here's the deal...
2nd round, 1st round…doesn’t matter..there are tons of 1st and 2nd round busts in the NFL. You can’t hang on to and keep investing in a bust. You have to move on. I agree that it sucks we have to give up on a 2nd rounder myself. We see eye to eye there but it really is okay. We need the RIGHT 53 guys and our leaders didn’t feel we had them with Pollard on the team.
If anything
it could be argued Pollard is the only first day pick that WASNT a bust on this team when Pioli inherited it
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i realize what your saying
but i dont think i’d call him a bust… maybe inconsistant, the man has had 90+ tackles the past few seasons. Certainly wasnt making the defense any worse with his presense. YES he was a sloppy tackler at times, YES he isnt the best at pass coverage. but is Mike brown really the answer to our problems?
Maybe??
Maybe Mike Brown is the answer for the time being!! I’m impartial either way as I just want the Chiefs to be good and win. But here is how I think it went down and why Brown is now starting. Pollard was a good player, very good in flashes but also made some very bad plays as well. But I don’t think he was cut based on his playing ability alone. A lot of times a player just doesn’t fit the system. Perhaps Pollard wasn’t the type of safety KC wanted or perhaps Pollard wasn’t willing to listen to or make the changes to fit into the system. So I’m sure there are few reasons why KC let him go and maybe it bites Hailey in the ass. But a team can’t always keep players because they can hit hard and have raw talent, they have to be able to be coached and buy into the system.
I think a lot of people’s complaints are “why get rid of Pollard for perhaps a lesser athlete in Brown.” But here is what you get with Brown. A vet who was a good safety, has a team leader mentality, so says Urlacher, is team focused not set on personal goals, is coachable, knows how to read routes and take proper angles. This is a basic, fundamental football player at its best, which is what KC needs, not hotheads marching to the beat of their own drum.
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Sep 10, 2009 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions
And one thing the Chiefs went big on is the big men...
Add to that a scheme that uses big men in such a way to make the job easier for the smaller guys. We’re not gonna get a whole lotta tricky outta the front 7, for the most part. Vrabel can mix up his game. Beisel, to a lesser extent. But the rest of the crew is pretty much just physical, tough, and dead-ahead. We’re hoping that DJ and Demorrio will emerge as smart, heads-up football players on every down. They did make the 53-cut, but they’ve been yo-yo’s.
Anyhoo, I think this defense can cause offenses a lot of problems with mostly dead-ahead guys, because, man-for-man, this D is BIG. In the man-for-man regard, the smallest guy on the team is prob’ly Tank Tyler, flirting with 305 lbs as a 3-4 NT. We can definitely out-big most defenses going, and what we need is quick and smart in the secondary.
The D is set up so the dbs CAN mix it up, but also, they HAVE to mix it up. Maybe NEXT year at this time, KC will have turned Belcher and Mays into MASTERFUL all-around LBs, but right now they’re just very good at doing a fairly small number of things, to my eye. I can see where this scheme plays to the things they do well, but I really think they need to bring up the DBs against extra wides sets, at least some of the time, and act like they mean it. Couldn’t do that with Pollard. It was an easy completion by formation.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I feel the same way about Hali, McBride, Studebaker as Belcher and Mays.
I really like what they’re doing and how they do it, but KC’s really counting on its DBs to finish plays to the edge on the ground. This is not a Brian Bosworth college highlight set of LBs. They’ll control their area on run and force the ball out quickly on pass, but other than Vrabel, I really don’t see natural “down-the-field” awareness, dropping back.
But we’ve said all this innumerable times. I’m too tired to stop typing. 7:30 class in the morning. Pffffffft.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
haha krayfish
Chiefsfan, i agree with what you say. but Mike Brown is past his prime, and we arent even sure he can finish a season =\. What if he goes down for 5 weeks. you want Dajuan morgan as the backup? At least keep Pollard as a special teams player or someshit
Far as I know he cleared waivers and no one has picked him up.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
My cousin, Dave, told me he is now dating
Kate Gosselin, so he should have no spine left (or testicles) within a couple of weeks.
Actually, I read a comment someone else posted that I think is accurate: We have seen such crappy teams in KC lately that we are conditioned to think players are better than what they are. (paraphrased)
NO ONE offered a 7th round pick for the guy. NO ONE. That should say something.
Rectal Froth
by The Donger on Sep 9, 2009 12:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You nailed it Donger...it's rough saying your name by the way...
anyway…that’s the problem right there. We don’t have the unbiased perspective of non-fans. We can’t not be prejudiced. We love our team. When someone does good on a 2- 12 team, that doesn’t mean their actually good. It could mean that it was easy for them to shine on a 2-12 team.
Good or even great for us may be shit to the rest of the NFL. I’m sure Detroit has some guys who excel on their team, but how hard is it to excel on a 0-16 team? You should shine for God sakes’. It would be hard not to shine. That doesn’t make you good though, it makes you a big fish in a little tiny pond. The big fish in a little pond might be the littlest fish in a bigger pond, if you get my meaning. Good point! Good comment!
I was always surprised by the man-love for the secondary, in general..
Never thought twice about the tackle stats. Just didn’t like what I saw. Smart LBs and Ss make the whole team look fast.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Pollard was such a shitty tackler
that he just so happened to be the teams leader last season.
Funny how the Chiefs have cut their team leader in tackles two seasons in a row (Harris & Pollard)
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 2:12 AM CDT reply actions
I would rephrase that as:
The Chiefs were so shitty last season that Pollard just so happened to be the team’s leading tackler.
He was shopped for a 7th round pick and NO ONE wanted him. Again, for a 7th round pick NO ONE wanted him. Do you really think you are right and EVERY SINGLE talent scout in the ENTIRE NFL is wrong?
You got balls big as Texas.
You a Cowboys fan? Now it makes more sense.
Rectal Froth
You ever think
a team will pick him up after Sunday? Don’t question a person’s following for their favorite team… and don’t call him a Cowboys fan. Ugh. Just UGH. If there’s any fans who have less class than Raiders fans and Eagles fans, it’s the damn “Holier than thou” Cowboys fans.
There's a good chance he will be picked up, especially if someone loses a safety.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Whoa there
Shuffle has been a member of AP for over a year and has over 3500 comments. Also, everything he wrote were facts.
Watch the tone and accusations.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 9, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"Shuffle has been a member of AP for over a year and has over 3500 comments."
Why should that make any difference? Is there a certain level of respect given based on length-of-membership/number-of-comments? If I should check profiles before commenting, I will.
I am not wanting to start an argument; I only ask because I know you are the site Moderator.
If anything was taken out of context, I apologize. (Did that sound like a Herm apology?) I was just doing a little trash talking.
Rectal Froth
You know that isn't the message :)
If we respect all we have no reason to check anybodies profile.
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I only brought that up aspect up
because you accused him of not being a Chiefs fan, and being a Cowboys fan.
I was pointing out that he has been a member of AP for a while and is an active commenter, and proven Chiefs fan.
It is not appropriate to challenge another members’ fandom, especially when that member is a longstanding member and you are not yet.
I am not belittling you for being a newer member, just pointing out that he’s been a part of our group, we know he is a Chiefs fan. When he states only facts and you question his fandom, you probably aren’t going to win that battle, but only serve to anger others, potentially.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 9, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, questioning other members' fandom really has no place at all here.
This is not a place for homers only or haters only. We are all fans, and we all have our own opinions of the state of the Chiefs.
It is vitally important for everyone to not confuse the disposition of the violent game we love and the nature of discourse on AP.
AP is a place to discuss, disagree, mingle, and be respectful of one another. The fact that the game is violent, tough, and aggressive is never any justification for members to behave that way towards each other here.
Not that you did, but I have seen comments from multiple newer users reading something like, “It’s football. Toughen up or get out…No smiley’s on a football board….what’s with all the touch-feely crap?”
The response to that is: This is AP. This is the community we have created. If this isn’t what you want, please find another site that suits your tastes.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec When I can
AP members are on every SB Nation board representing AP as good fans.
We want to be welcomed there as we are here as FANS of football and our team.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Just to be clear
I meant my last comment as a general comment to some of the things I have read recently.
I wasn’t, in any way, asking you to go somewhere else. Sorry about that.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 9, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
that was nice mrs dtr...nice and refreshing to hear you own up to that
and apologize..I think I could learn a lesson or two myself from you there.
Mrs DTR? Shut yo mouth. :)
I wasn’t owning up to anything necessarily, just clarifying.
Also, The Donger is LarryDoggyDog and he pulled the same overreact/quit routine he did before. It has become really old.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 10, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And that was almost 24 hours ago.
Too slow! :)
by DThomasReigns on Sep 10, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cowboy fan comment
was sarcasm in reference to my previous remark about “balls as big as Texas”.
I am not questioning a person’s right to follow their team (or “fandom”). I am questioning the deductions to which he came. My deductions are different. Isn’t that what this site is for?
~~sigh~~
I will try to explain, and then I will go away. For those paying attention, I have already stated that I was LarryDoggyDog. I came back for a second try, but 3rd tries and beyond are just silly, regardless of who is right or wrong. I expect this comment to be deleted, as the last time I was this blunt, it was deleted. So, I will say what I have to say, and then I will stop. The info here is awesome, so I will still lurk and read, but my posting here is done.
I have done extensive study into social philosophy. I have bought my own books, done my own experiments, etc. If you choose to discredit me on that basis (that I am not endorsed by any previously approved structure system), stop reading now.
This is a Community. I think we can all agree thus far, yes? Said Community is predominantly male-oriented. As a result, you will inherently face the issue of testosterone-driven wanna-be alpha-males competing with one another. Encouraging a self-policing community is not only NOT addressing the issue, it is adding fuel to the fire. You will quickly see large numbers of wanna-be alpha-males competing to be the "leader of the wanna-be alpha-males". This is, for lack of a better term, the current Group Dynamic.
When someone new comes along, the first response is for three or four people to say, "Welcome!" Then it goes downhill. The basic accepted idea in this group is along the lines of, "They are new and must be molded into a proper Community member". Then we get into the "testosterone-driven wanna-be alpha-males competing with one another" issue again (self-quote) in an effort to shape the new person. Everyone wants a part of being the leader.
DTR (who I actually like, by the way), you stated to me, as your opening sentence, " ‘So-and-so’ has been a member of AP for over a year and has over 3500 comments". Whether or not it was your intent, do you see how easily this can be misconstrued? Am I to treat long-time members differently than a newer person? If so, my opinion is, by default, less important.
I have tried, through demonstrations and humor, to get this point across. I have not been successful.
I could be wrong, as I have not done any official count, but it appears to me that traffic on this site has been on the decline the last couple of weeks. One would expect the opposite; that it would be on the rise at this point, nearing the first regular season game. Who could have seen that coming? Oh yeah, I did.
To paraphrase Motley Crue, I am not going away mad, I am just going away.
Good luck to all.
Rectal Froth
Well I have not ever been mean to you
and really I don’t care about what you say as far as issues but as far as a community we have all at a time or another crossed swords with no ill affects. As some would say if you have a thin skin and are easily offended then why are you here anyway. The members here have at least once been called out and remain because we understand that friendships and groups are formed. I have issues with some and many have issues with me yet Here I am continueing to talk as should you. But we all wish for a Civil Forum to discuss on that was the only piont made to You By DTR here
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by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 10, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said you were
Explain how, “Shuffle has been a member of AP for over a year and has over 3500 comments”, stated by the site Moderator, is an even statement.
No ill effects? Have you not been watching? The ill effects have been brought up for months now by multiple people.
Thin skin? Of course, it must be the new people that have thin skin. Yet, it seems that the “vets” are the ones complaining. Let a newbie say something wrong, and within five minutes; the “vets” are all about telling the new individual how wrong they are.
Kiss vet arse as you see fit.
I just got Mario Kart for my Wii. I need you no more.
Have fun and good luck to all.
A blog should be fun. The way this is ran has taken that away.
Go ahead, Big Pappa, delete me.
Rectal Froth
Please stop doing this
This is second time you have overreacted to something completeley innocuous and then quit. First, it was the -1 from hmills, and now it is this.
This appears to be more about your perceived axed to grind, than about what has actually occured.
No one is asking you to leave, just as no one did previously. But, it isn’t appropriate to want to tease and talk trash, then quit once you think anyone has slightly disagreed with you.
by DThomasReigns on Sep 10, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
in dongers defense...(god that's hard to say)
I have been warned on here for the same kind of crap. I constantly joke with people…if I said .“you must be a cowboys fan” or “you must be a donkey lover”…and I said it in person..with my best family guy voice …you’de laugh. But because you can’t hear the tone people are writing in..you guys take things way too personal on here.
I was on another site and there a few people who don’t come here anymore because of the recent interference from the moderators who take things out of context and make them personal insults when there were none intended…
I say if your that sensitive…go to the guidance counsellors office and talk it out…it’s not the people on here’s problem that other’s take things wrong and make issues out of things where there were none.
for example….I don’t hear the two of them arguing..and their both adults…so I don’t see why a moderator has to get involved when neither party asked them to get involved.
Anyway…it is getting frustrating being on here lately unfortunately. Every time I turn around someone is being reprimanded for joking and having fun with each other. Even when both parties understand that and are ok with each other…still other people poke their nose in where it wasn’t invited and make something out of nothing…
Can’t we just all get along?
weak
claiming Pollard is a good tackler just because he had a bunch of them is like saying Thigpen is a good QB because he threw more TD passes then Big Ben or Matt Ryan last year. Stats aren’t what make you a good player.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
He wasn't saying Pollard was a good tackler
Just that he had the most tackles on the team… which a safety should never have. He was left with an ocean so many times last season because people were out of position it wasn’t even funny. As soon as the chopping block looms or comes down on a player everyone is so quick to dismiss their accolades from the previous season and blindly agree with who is in charge now that “Of course they’re the worst player ever. DUH! Now we’re infinitely better!”
I’m willing to bet he gets picked up in the next week or two.
I would argue that
Pollard was as guilty as anyone for being out of position. My stance on Pollard has nothing to do with blindly doing anything. I go by what I see on the field. I was pissed that they cut Lelie to keep Copper because what I saw on the field was Lelie catching the ball and getting some separation and Copper not doing either. I was fine with them cutting Pollard because what I saw on the field was a guy that couldn’t cover, didn’t wrap up, and made a lot of his tackles five yards down the field from where he should have because he was too aggresive and was drawn out of position.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
+1000
I’m with you Porkchop. Cutting Lelie was a big mistake IMO.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 9, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
+1000 also
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Sep 9, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Youse guys with your +1's and +1000s might try actually clicking on "actions" and make a "rec."
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 9, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't care for
it either but they aren’t saying that the post is worth rec’ing they are simply stating that they agree. If everyone rec’d everything that they agree with what would be the purpose of the rec to begin with.
True
But some might not know.
We can Rec
or we can action/rec. when we strongly agree.
I tend to rec a comment that I agree with when there are two recs already
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The rec
is to highlight posts that are worth stopping & reading for the readers on here who don’t have time to read each & every post. If we rec everything that we agree with or strongly agree with instead of helping our brothers & sisters with less time then there are going to be green posts everywhere. That is why it should be reserved for just those posts which are highly recommended to be read by everyone most especially by those whom don’t have the time to read every post on here.
Just my thought anyway! :)
Agree
But I like to when possible read all posts and comments :)
and maybe they aren’t turned green even though I like them.
I’m rather liberal with recs to encourage commenting and posting.
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I try to read all
the posts also & currently being unemployed, I have the time to do so. But for those who are grabbing a few minutes here & there to skim through the posts to try & keep up with what is going on while they are at work or otherwise engaged tend to stop & read the green posts everytime. If you look at all the +1 or whatever they choose & then turn the post they’re directed towards to green once 3 people agree, it’s dfeating the purpose of the highlight!
Again that is my opinion, but to each their own!! :)
That was the hole in what I said, ttownmikey.
I don’t care for
it either but they aren’t saying that the post is worth rec’ing they are simply stating that they agree. If everyone rec’d everything that they agree with what would be the purpose of the rec to begin with.
by ttownmikey on Sep 9, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But the most-often wrecked comments will still rise to the top of the list, as before, and, as this blog gets bigger, you might have different categories of “wrecked,” set off by different colors and a person in a hurry in a huge crowd could grab the best stuff by browsing by “top 5 wrecks” or some such.
AP is very good at what it does, but needs to be ever-mindful of how things might need to be reorganized, simply due to traffic. A more sophisticated “wreck” process could help people browse more efficiently and intelligently when an open comments area is deluged by 5,000 people in 5 minutes (or you see what I mean).
Dammit, I was gonna go ta bed.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yes he was too saying that Pollard is a good tackler...sorr saintll
but your not right about this one….and i usually agree with you. Pollard will get picked up eventually, but being a leading tackler on a 6-26 team is nothing to brag about…
it’s like being the best on a handicap league.
No
I wasn’t. Nowhere in this thread, or elsewhere, will you see me state the words “Pollard was a good tackler”.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
9 of the 10...
leading NFL tacklers last year were LBs. Safeties usually lead poor defenses in tackles because the front 7 is getting run over.
So it's not the safety who should be at fault for doing his job
it should be the front 7
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but in our case
the front 7 are better this year and its making the poor players in the secondary show up, aka Pollard.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I'm not buying for one second
Brown is an upgrade. Sorry.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I've yet to plead my case for keeping Pollard
I was merely pointing out a single stat
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by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 9, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
Pull up his stats on NFL.com… probably the most damning stats for him is Pass Defended and INTs
2PDefs and 1 INT. Pretty pitiful for a starting safety in the NFL.
Yeppers. I wasn't happy with what I saw.
A lot of the time, I wondered if it were Pollard or just the fact that Cunningham wanted another mini-LB, so I’d say things like “I don’t know if he can cover, because he’s never expected to.”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I really hope
Brown can stay healthy. Would Pollard have been nice to keep for depth? Absolutely, but the fact that he cleared waivers speaks volumes about his fundamentals… or lack thereof.
Concur With KC Shuffle.
Brown is not an upgrade, and Pollard had the tool box. The mofo could hit, was a special teams demon (block punts / FG’s), and was known to be around the ball quite a bit. I’ll admit that he missed some tackles, but I’ll never admit it was a good move on our part to get rid of him. For who? Who did we retain to make Pollard the sacrificial lamb? This team is worse for having lost Pollard and if Morgan does not step it up, we’re worse off than before because Brown is merely a stop-gap…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Could've been other factors.
He wasn’t exactly a leader, from the sound of it.
More of “ME” loud than “WE” loud.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
shuffle...read my comment....it applies here for sure.
I do the same thing when I go to other teams sites. I think “who the hell is that guy”? But the locals are all hepped on the guy. IOW…every team has players that the fans think are good, but they may not be all that good by NFL standards.
We all know tons of examples of guys who made a name for themselves on a shitty team, only to be picked up by a better team and instead of shining….they suck!! They never land a starting position again in the NFL. Some players have a decent year with a team and never have another solid year again and lose all credibility in the NFL. You don’t have to agree with it, but it is reality. It happens all the time. ( Lelie) ( baskett)
What took them so long?
I knew he would be gone when we hired Pioli & traded for Vrabel & Cassel. He is best known for breaking Tom Brady.
He'll probably be signed
after the start of the season. I think the argument most people have around here is that he wasn’t so bad we couldn’t have kept him around for depth.
I think it was attitude. If he wasn’t buying in he had to go. That seems to be the theme with the new regime. Play the way they want you to play or go be a distraction somewhere else.
It seems to work for the Pats. Scrubs go there allt he time and play the way they are asked and perform well. Then they upgrade talent and trade them for draft picks. Almost always those players are underwhelming for the team that gets them.
That whole right 53 thing.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 9, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Bingo PA...right on!!
The bottom line is that we as fans don’t have the insider knowledge that the leadership does. So we are supposed to trust the staff to do the right thing. However, it’s difficult to trust leadership when your so used to being screwed over every time you trust again..(HERM)
+1000
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Sep 9, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
W-L is final arbiter.
But yeah, right now, a wise fan is in “disbelief suspension mode.”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Agree 1000 times
wish we could’ve kept him to block punts, though, he was actually good at that.
by I need more Esteban on Sep 9, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
So we can lobby for 53-1/2 players on the roster? :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
angles
it just seemed like he had bad instincts at making plays. to me it seemed like he overestimated his speed. he chose to take bad angles too many times for me. i loved the blocked punts (easier to judge angles on a stationary target) but he isn’t a starting safety. i wouldn’t have guessed he would be cut. I thought he would have been kept as a backup. I guess he didn’t have the right attitude.
Could we
Compare Pollard to Roy Williams the ex Cowboy Safety…? When both were cut it was immediately thought of as a bad move….how could they…then you seen no one was lining up to get them.
They were both prolific hitters…but not sure tacklers or sure pass defenders.
The Safety is the last line of defense for a big play…something we gave up too many times….something had to change.
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
A Donkey fan at work today said that the Donkeys worked him out
Not sure if that holds any water though….I would think we would have heard something from MHR if it was true.
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 9, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Does he stink??
I see a lot of posts about how bad Pollard was or how many big plays he gave up and just as many posts about how much of a hard hitting tackler he is. I kind of want to break some stuff down and get some responses.
Pollard was a SS in a 4-3/Tampa 2 D. In the 4-3 the SS is basically another Sam or Strong side LB with more coverage duties. That’s why he had so many tackles even on a bad D. The SS job is run support. Good D or bad D the SS gets tackles. So with that being said is he good at run support yes. However as a safety, SS or FS, you also have to be a little bit of a ballhawk. 3 INTs over 3 years is not a good number.
Enter Pendergast and the 3-4 D. In the 3-4 the SS doesn’t have to play as close to the line and has more coverage responsibility. This leads to the question of can Pollard cover. Well as many of you said he gave up a lot of deep plays and misread a lot of angles. I don’t think his hard hitting/tackling ability has ever been in question, it has always been his coverage.
I’m a firm believer in the theory of the “System.” By this I mean a player doesn’t make the system look good but rather the system makes the player look good. Well if Pollard didn’t fit into that system then he wasn’t going to be any good. Now obviously the coaches know the whole situation and are able to evaluate it better than any of us here posting. Maybe it will be a good move or maybe it won’t only time will tell. However I say keep an eye out for him and see what type of D he lands on.
Also for all who are basing their judgment on how good of a player Pollard is based on KC asking for a pick and not getting an offer, that is a poor way to go about making a decision. First of all as secretive as Pioli and the front office is how does anyone know what they were asking/offered for him. Secondly if KC did put him on the block that just makes it a situation of too much product and not enough demand. Why would teams trade for a player they know will no longer be used and most likely be cut if not traded. Teams will hold off and see if he’s cut, if he is they win the calculated risk if he is not cut they can come back with an offer. Anyway getting to far onto another topic I think, so just some thoughts to ponder.
By the way as I said somewhere above I am indifferent as to who our starting SS is, so please don’t jump my case. I’m just trying to get some talk going.
by Chiefsfan_in_the_MileHigh on Sep 10, 2009 4:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice Comment Rec
Welcome to AP good to have another Denver Chiefs fan
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 10, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I did WhatsamatterU
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason a team would give up a 7th rounder
is to defeat anybody who’d claim the player off the waiver wire before them. With a trade, the team in question wouldn’t have to wait and hope he would clear waivers until it was their turn. So, nobody was afraid to miss their chance.
But after the Polamalu scare, I couldn’t help but wonder if the Steelers might give Pollard a call in the near future. 3 to 6 weeks, if that knee is only half as bad as people thought by watching it happen.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
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