Patriots trading Richard Seymour to the Raiders today, according to a league source. More to come.
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JESUS CHRIST!!!
Is there no limit to the stupidity of what the Raiders will do. Dont get me wrong Richard Seymore is a good player, but he is hardly worth a first round pick anymore.
And really what are the Patriots going to do with a top 10 pick?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
He'll be better
than any first rounder the Raiders would draft
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
good point
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
and he'll be on their roster longer than any draft pick they spend
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I disagree...
At his age (though he is younger than i thought) and with a career high of 8 sacks its not like he is dominant, and Im pretty sure DE have as rapid a decline as any position player.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that's kinda my point
he won’t be there long, just like their draft picks
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I dont know what Seymores contract is...
but most Rookies sign a 4 or 5 year deal, I doubt Seymore will be a Raider that long. More than likely he has 2 years left (counting this one) and then the Patriots get him back at an 8th of what he was making.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Last year right here
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
HA! So Seymore will probably be back in NE
by the time they get that 2011 pick
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
That would be so funny. they would probobly have to tag nmandi anyway .
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
it was a joke
I was being sarcastic, referring to how shitty their draft picks are…
they end up cutting a lot of them when they realize the mistakes.
damn, should have used the sarcastic font
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
8 sacks...
That’s nothing to sneeze at considering he plays DE in a 2-gap, 3-4 system where his primarily responsibility is NOT to rush the passer.
Anyway, I’m shocked by this move.
I bet you are!
Sounds like a great move for the Pats though? Assuming the hoodie turns the 1st rounder into 3 2nd rounders.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Short term, no. Long term, yes.
I like that Belichick thinks about the long term so I won’t argue the move. It’s good value for a guy that was most likely gonna leave next year in FA anyway, because we had him and Wilfork coming up with expiring contracts.
As for 3 2nd rounders… we already have those for next year ;)
Give us 2 of those 2nd rounders
And we’ll give you Dorsey! Don’t worry, Pioli gave me the dispensation to negotiate on his behalf :)
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
haha fair enough
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if that
pick nets you a probowl player?:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Misread my bad.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
wonder if that's how the negotiations went
“cmon, you’re just going to waste the draft pick anyway.”
like what denver used to get the first rounders from Chicago.
And the Pats
will certainly trade that 2011 first rounder for a something good in 2010, no doubt
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
What about one of our 2nd rounders?
something to think about…..
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
Yeah had time to think this over
WTF are the raiders thinking trading a first rounder for a near 30 year old defensive lineman? I know its Richard fin Seymore but come on.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
thus the reason the Chiefs strive to be a Patriots-type organization
all they do is stockpile draft picks, stockpile talent, trade to rip off other teams…then repeat.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Hahaha
I laughed when I saw this. Only the Raiders would be stupid enough to trade a top 10 pick for a guy who’s skills are declining. Don’t get me wrong, he’s solid…but worth a 2nd round at most.
Good ol’ Al Davis. His antics cease to amaze me. And make me laugh.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
The guy is certified
bat-shit crazy
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
I still cant believe he took DHB
so early
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I had that one pegged
but Michael Mitchell in the 2nd?
Kid was a 7th rounder AT BEST. It’s like Al doesn’t even care anymore…
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
WOW
Seymore must be PISSSSSSED. And for a 2011 pick? Thats not this year but next? Wow
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
I don't believe it
The hoodie doesn’t even like first round draft picks…especially from Oakland, thats going to be a top 5 overall pick. I dunno, I’ll believe it when I see it. Seems like a bad move for both teams
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll flip it for a 2nd and a 4th or 5th in 2010
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Ironically Al Davis
probably thinks he is trading a 28th-32nd pick in the first round instead of possibly a top 5 pick.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
hahah
How he can think his team is that good is beyond me.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
and yet he probably does...
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
At what point does the NFL step in and say this guy is incapable of running a team? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link and I can’t see the NFL letting this guy continue to make this rediulous decisions.
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I Agree
This is getting out of control! The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I know that in the end the NFL makes more money if the Patriots are one of the best teams, but c’om this is getting rediculous? Didn’t they just trade Burgess for a 3rd rounder a couple weeks ago? Why not trade between the two players?! Maybe Kraft is the new minority owner of the Raiders…
Its not too surprising
when you watch NE this preseason. They’re moving to more 4-3 defensive fronts and Seymour’s having trouble fitting in. Which also makes you wonder why the Raiders would acquire him since they play in a 4-3 front.
Also both Seymour and Wilfork’s contracts are up after this year and no way they keep both especially with Seymour turning 30 this time next year.
Move makes a lot of sense for NE. Probably more of a name acquisition who will help a little on the leadership front but I question his productivity entering a 4-3 scheme.
by golfbard on Sep 6, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i am not worried
just shocked the pats got a first rounder – great move. seymour isnt the same he was a few years ago…especially on the raiders..he will plummet
Huh?
What team are you watching?
The Raiders give up more running yards than…well….the Chiefs.
Tommy Kelly was the biggest joke contract of last year. They paid $50million dollars to a guy that had never ever ever been anything more than a sub-par DT. (Cause Al Davis is bat-shit insane).
The Raiders actually scooped up Alfonso Boone and brought him in the work him out when the Chiefs cut him. Their D-Line is horrible.
This move probbably means Boone doesn’t get signed.
Even though this is a very good move for value by the Patriots, it certainly won’t hurt the Raiders D-line any to have at least one guy that doesn’t suck on the field.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You might be right (I intended it more as joke). However in all seriousness, I think the reason why they statistically looked so bad
is because they were loosing most of the time. Thus teams kept running on them. Their corners were playing very well and the simply kept attacking on the ground. You shorten the game this way and it is safer. It is not fully appropriate to rely only on numbers to come up with a really good picture of a team performance or quality. All should be looked at in perspective. And all is relative (to quote Enstein).
by ALR on Sep 6, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a good one
I almost thought you were serious for a second there
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Honestly I don't know if the Raiders can afford anymore first round picks
As bad as they have been they keep having to draft early and pay these “quality” first rounders millions of dollars, maybe their new strategy is to get rid of their first round picks early so they don’t have to pay for them. They’re paying for Gallery, Russel, McFadden, Heyward-Bey, who else..? It’s getting ridiculous.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Good point
The problem is if we have another shitty year, we are going to be in the same boat. Dorsey and TJ were very expensive. Maybe we’ll draft a NT in the top 5 and we will have a $100MM front 3.
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
So true, then they will earn their name
The 100 million dollar line. I hope we don’t end up in that situation, but we would still be in better shape than Oakland who brings in shitty playes and pays them 40+ million dollar contracts with ridiculous amounts of guaranteed money, then has to cut them a few years later because they blow.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
CoughDeAngeloHallCough
Only they signed him to $70 mil then released him the same season
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
It's Insane How Badly That Team Is Run
The Patriots just ripped the Raiders off big-time. And all Davis had to do was wait for four months and he could have signed Seymour for no compensation to the Patriots.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
On The Downside
I don’t like that Seymour will now be playing against the Chiefs’ 2009 offensive line. Ugh.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
When Al Davis croaks, we better look out because that will make 3 other teams in our division to compete with.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Well
They did beat us by three games last year…so what does that say about the Chiefs?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
What does that say about the Herm/Peterson Chiefs is more like it.
It’s obvious that the Chiefs are at least working in a positive direction, I can’t even try to say the same about the Raiders without giggling a little bit.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
It's Not Particularly Obvious To Me Right Now
Not after they cut Pollard to give Mike Brown the starting job.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Agreed that is a sketchy move
and only time will tell wether it was good or bad. I personally loved Pollard I though him and Page would be 2 of the top safeties in the league for years. I just hope they think Morgan outplayed Pollard and this move was more about Morgan than Brown.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
So Brown could groom Morgan into the starting role.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
He'd Better Groom Quickly
Because history indicates it won’t be long before Morgan will be relieving an injured Brown.
And isn’t developing players what the coaches are supposed to be for?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Yes that's what the coaches are here for I agree
but didn’t we bring in Vrabel and Thomas for veteran leadership the same way we did Brown? (even knowing Thomas didn’t work out) I think that they’re here not only for good play but obviously to help groom the younger players and help them understand the game. Really, I am just trying to understand the Pollard release as much as you and giving a little insight on what I think is going to happen.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Understandable
I get where you’re coming from.
I thought the same about Thomas too, by the way…but to be honest he’s looked this preseason like a guy who isn’t particularly motivated to play football anymore and who’s just looking for one last paycheck. I think Pioli should have been able to sniff out either the declining ability or lack of desire.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
He did manage
to play 15 games last season, which is a far cry away from the 7 he amassed the 2 previous seasons.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Wasn't Pollard weak in coverage though?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Weak in converage
And was horrible at wrapping up.
At least with Brown you get a field general who has lost some steps but still plays smart and can actually lead a secondary on the field. Kind of like Brian Dawkins.
Pollard, apparently, is just all mouth.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
*Coverage
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
He Also Had To Be Removed From 3 Of Them
With injuries. Guy can’t stay healthy.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Can't argue that
But its not like the guy was injury prone prior to these last few seasons.
It was an ACL in 2004 — very common and can happen to anyone. He actually rehabbed quite well in the following season and managed to play 12 games. Then went down to a calf injury.
After that it seems like a string of bad luck. I agree it is still a risk, though.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Umm
He played 6 games in 2006 and 1 in 2007.
After that it seems like a string of bad luck.
When a player gets a fluke injury once it’s bad luck. When he gets injured regularly every season for five straight years, he’s injury-prone. And when he’s 31 and has been injured for five straight years, he’s someone you should never turn a starting job over to unless you have zero other options.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Brown is the Brodie Croyle of Safeties.
Morgan better be ready becasue there is about about a 5% chance Brown plays the whole year.
Brown Has Actually Produced, Though
He’s more of the Billy Sims of safeties. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
I think the most shocking part of this
is that they seem to be relatively upset about it at Pats Pulpit. If Pioli traded Brian Waters -best comp I could think of – for a first rounder (likely a top 10 pick) I would be uncorking some champagne.
Its probably because the Patriots can seriously challenge for a SB...
and without Seymore I think it hurts their chances a little… Of course they did fine with out Ty Law and Lawyer Malloy too.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I also think it might have to do with the Patriots starting to get old
They need the younger players who can make an impact, and they will especially need that by 2011
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
I wouldn't say "upset"
Surprised is more like it. The move weakens us in the short term, but obviously helps us out long term. It’ll give us some cap space to hopefully extend Vince Wilfork, but a player of Seymour’s caliber isn’t exactly easy to replace.
And despite all of the talk of the Patriots moving to a 4-3, there’s no guarantee of it. The Patriots could still morph into it on occasions like they’ve done in the past depending on the opponent, but we don’t know yet if it’ll be our base. They still have the players for the 3-4, with Jarvis Green stepping in for Seymour, I would guess.
I’ve also read that Seymour was “declining” on here… I’m not sure that person watched the Pats all that much last year, because the only year he had that was better was probably in 2003. He’s fully recovered from the injury that ailed him at the end of ’06 to the beginning of ’07.
hes not declining per
But he is 29 and has played a lot of games and taken a lot of punishment. You know the Pats way, trade guys as they start to get older while they still have value. No way NE was giving him a new deal given his age plus with Wilfork a free agent after this year. Brilliant move by NE. Seymour is going to a team that plays a 4-3. We’ll see how that works.
by golfbard on Sep 6, 2009 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I hear you.
Seymour can play in a 4-3 so I’m not sure where some people are getting that he wouldn’t “fit in”. He’s played DT for us in that alignment plenty of times. I feel bad for the guy though, having to end up in such a dysfunctional organization.
Seymour
is 6’6 and 310.. not ideal for a 4-3 DE but maybe they move him inside to tackle? Should be interesting to watch. Could work… although a different situation but worthy of mention, Kris Jenkins went from being a 4-3 DT in Carolina to a 3-4 NT with the Jets and did well before getting hurt late last year so he may adjust well.
Wonder if the Raiders offered that ridiculous deal
to keep Seymour out of K.C.?
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Where would he go?
Or they trade Seymore and a 2nd rounder to the Chiefs for Dorsey?
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by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Seymour and a 2nd for Dorsey?
I know Al Davis is crazy, but if he’s that crazy we need to start putting him in a straightjacket.
I would take Seymore straight up for Dorsey
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Good thought DJ.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
My Thoughts Too
Of course, we could still get him next year unless the Raiders franchise him. Seymour’s still an unrestricted FA.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Good point
Who else in thier ogranization will they have to choose from to tag next year? They could end up with a little controversy.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
And If The Raiders Tag Him
We don’t want the guy for what he’d cost. Seymour would be a good signing for the team, but he’s not a top-five level talent at this point of his career. Which is why the Patriots were letting him go.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
They'd have to tag Nnamdi asomugha
I think he’s franchised this year and they are too stupid to give him a long term contract.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They Gave Him A Huge Extension In February
3 years, $45 million.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Ahh - I see
I like to make my arguments without actually doing any fact checking :)
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
No Worries
I’m always here to set you straight when you do. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
It's always good blogging here
because the bloggers are usually the most knowledgable and when they aren’t someone is always here that knows.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Ok scratch Nnamdi
I don’t think they’ll have trouble tagging Seymour
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Yup
It’s just insane how badly that franchise is run. Saw online last week that the Raiders have actually declined in value as a franchise over the last year, in contrast to most of the league (which has risen, even in a bad economy).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
This is the only link I could find with 2010 free agent listings
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2010 The only noticable players I saw on there are Sebastian and Fabian Washington, neither are worth tagging, but I believe they will have to choose between Richard and Nnamdi. On another note I noticed that DJ and Tank Tyler are free agents for us next year…
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
Asomugha Isn't Getting Franchised
They extended him three years in February, so they’ve got him locked up.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
This link^ is actually a good place to look before Fantasy Football starts
to see which players are in contract years.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
All thats left...Mcintosh to Oakland! 2011 first...good stuff Raiders...
Greg Ellis AND Seymour…do they think they have talent around it outside a name I dont want to spell at corner.
all I know is, If I woke up to
“Seymour traded to chiefs for first round pick”
I wouldve been sick…instead, I just said “WHAT” and laughed.
All these dealings
with the Raiders, did Pioli piss off Belichick?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Nope
The Raiders are just being stupid and Belichick’s not about to pass up good deals to protect his buddy. I don’t get the impression that Belichick cuts anyone a break. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
What a deal.
Maybe if Al Davis wants to make some money he should start auctioning off these Top 5 picks
by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 6, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
Nice one
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
so your telling me that one day
we will get a 2019 first rounder for tyson jackson? what year is derion thomas goin pro?
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Sep 6, 2009 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
yeah
its like a 10 year turn around. The Pats are so damn smart and the Raiders are so damn stupid.
The Chiefs…I dunno…we take 2nd round picks and cut them.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 6, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Only the Pats
could draft a guy 6th in the first round, turn him into a 5 time pro bowler, win 3 Super Bowls with him as a cornerstone and then, when he is about to decline, flip him for another first rounder that will probably be around the same spot (6th) they got him to begin with.
They essentially got Seymore for free. I sure hope we can parlay Tyson Jackson into 5 pro bowls, 3 super bowls and a first round pick in 9 years. Shit.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
seriously
its kind of ridiculous to think about
I would be
happy with three Superbowls!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!! dougritchie should be a Raiders fan.
Patriots were in a salary cap tangle.
They did great by dumping 14 mil for Cassel, 4 mill for Vrabel, and a sizable amount for Seymour. Plus they gained a 1st and a 2nd draft pick – both likely to be high because it’s the raiders and the chiefs.
Short term, the top notch play of Vrabel and Seymour will be missed. And if Brady goes down early they will miss Cassel. But relieving salary cap problems and losing two aging vets and a backup QB for 2 high picks was indeed a great move.
I think Al Davis is seeing a chance to make playoffs this year in a weak AFC West. KC and Denver are in shambles, so he is willing to bet on injuries to LT, Merriman, Gates, or Rivers of the Chargers and a lot of luck to make a run this year. Seymour will help his cause. Al is not getting any younger.
Don't worry
Good players go to Oakland to die.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
signed Jerry Rice
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 6, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF
the patriots continue to get high picks for old players…lets hope Pioli can do this for us in a few years…thats how you stay relevant…keep trading for 1st and 2nd rounders
yeah if you add in all the picks, the 2nd rounders this past april etc...they are turning into
a very very talented young football team….
how the heck did the do it? all those trade backs, the one with the 49ers that netted the extra first which made up for losing one…these guys hit on late first rounders, and now are getting a ton of 2nd’s, and now 1st’s that will be worth even more.
scary scary patriots. they really have it figured out.
and I agree on the raiders, cant turn that around, I do think Seymour is the best character guy to go in there in a long time, maybe since tim brown.
Seymour is a double agent!
Pats have helped screw up the Raiders and Broncos this offseason and seasons to come to help out Pioli! It’s the master plan to eventually bring the Chiefs to dominance in the AFC West. Seymour will just sabotage the team during his stay then leave.
Pats helped take out Cutler by sending McDaniels over there. The Chargers haven’t fallen for a Patriot trap yet…
It all fits. Conspiracies are fun. Go Chiefs!
Sorry...
But I actually like this deal for Oakland. It’s all good on paper, I think. Great young players who are high draft picks and lots of potential. No real veterans around them to bring it home and Seymour definitely adds a major piece for “right now.”
Every team in the AFC West could potentially act with a “right now” attitude because the whole division sucks. The Chiefs decided to wipe the slate completely clean, but the Raiders aren’t that far off from competing (in their minds, at least)
Of course, we all know the ownership, coaching and overall circus will prevent that from happening. But it could actually work on paper. And a first-rounder in 2011…I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal.
uhhh...you serious? did you see what the broncos gave up for the smith pick?
you could move back twice and have 3 2nd’s
Need a trade partner for that
The Broncos had ammo to make that move after they traded Cutler. Who has the draft picks to pull something like that now?
Plus, the Pats have 3 2nd rounders next year. The chances of getting 3 2nd rounders for 2011 (making it three years in a row) are unlikely. It would be awesome, don’t get me wrong, but I have a hard time picturing that happening.
Give them time.
Hoodie still has a year and a half to get them.
For the love of goodness
,,,I wish the Raiders ill like a good Chiefs fan should but please tell me they didn’t trade what is likely a top pick for a guy who can (and likely will ) walk after the year.
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