Possible Waiver Claims or Free Agents That Could Help the Chiefs
by Matt Conner on Sep 5, 2009 8:47 PM CDT
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PrintJust wanting to offer some quick hits on some players that raised my eyebrows during a cursory glance around the league transactions based on perceived places of need on the Chiefs:
WR Keary Colbert - This is mostly because he has a "KC" tattoo already on his arm. But even after being cut by the Lions (of all teams, I know), there's some promise here. Colbert's struggled to live up to the high expectations he had upon entering the league and the solid season he enjoyed in 2004 subbing for Steve Smith's injury in Carolina. Injuries have taken their toll, but he's only 27 and could be a sleeper. Okay, it's really just the tattoo.
DT Shaun Smith - He's got a mouth on him as well with particular disdain for Cleveland. But he's flashed strong ability to be a player when he wants on the defensive line and is already familiar with the 3-4. Hard to believe Detroit cut him, but there's been a bit of drama in training camp so I assume that's part of it.
CB Justin Miller - As a team desperately in need of someone to step up in the return game, Justin Miller returned two for touchdowns last year with the Raiders. A first-day pick for the Jets in 2005, Miller has yet to stick in the defensive backfield, but he might be worth picking up for the sake of his KR ability.
QB Jeff Garcia - I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, but as far as I'm concerned, Garcia is still a quality gamer who can effectively manage an offense and could serve as some greater insurance than what we currently have. I'd take Garcia over anything we currently have after Matt Cassel.
OT/G Tony Pashos - Former starter with the Jags and Ravens has flexibility along the line and immediately becomes a starter candidate on the right side. From Scouts Inc.: "He started all 16 games at right tackle for the Jaguars in 2008 and does a good job of anchoring that side of the offensive line. He is a massive tackle with long arms, excellent strength and adequate athleticism. He is a powerful drive blocker that often simply engulfs opponents and uses his long arms to lock up opponents and drive them off the line." Um, yeah, enough said.
Many more players/candidates after the jump:
OT/G Ryan O'Callaghan - The Patriots enjoyed O'Callaghan's ability to provide depth along the offensive line the last three seasons, playing in 26 games and starting 7 of them. If Ryan's starting, your line has issues, but that's already a known quantity in Kansas City, so this should be in the bag unless St. Louis or Detroit are interested.
WR Courtney Taylor - The Seahawks receiver got the boot by Coach Mora, but the young Auburn grad can play the possession game well and can catch the ball in traffic. I always waited for this guy to break out so maybe a change of scheme or scenery would do wonders.
S Kevin Kaesviharn - Kevin's a career back-up so don't expect him to step in, but obviously we're missing something with Bernard Pollard leaving. It's just beyond me to imagine we're okay with the injury history of Mike Brown and Dajuan Morgan and Kaesviharn is great in coverage.
LB Ryan Fowler - The former starting MLB for the Titans was cut to make way for youngsters and at 27, he's not going to win anyone over with further development. But the former Duke player is very smart on the field and could help on a young team learning the ropes with Clancy Pendergast's complex scheming.
OG Kynan Forney - The longtime starter for the Falcons was cut by the Chargers after promising youngster Louis Vasquez won the starting RG job in camp. But the Chiefs are in such position that Forney could come in and potentially start after a couple games. Another strong veteran presence on the line.
WR David Patten - This is simply a tie to Scott Pioli, but it seems an obvious name to at least tie to a list like this one. Then again, let's be real that he hasn't stuck in New Orleans or Cleveland since his New England glory days.
TE Alex Smith - This is one signing I *really* hope we make. Smith's ability to reliably catch the football and his sure hands make him a solid target. He's not the strongest tight end and doesn't have the complete game Chiefs fans are obviously used to from the TE position. But I'm not convinced Brad Cottam, Sean Ryan and Jake O'Connell are the answer either and I think Smith could step in and get 40 or so possessions in the middle.
OT/G Anthony Davis - Recently cut by the Saints, Davis is getting a little long in the tooth, but he's a solid veteran with starting experience on the line and someone who could add much needed depth on the left side especially.
RB Kory Sheets - I know we're rather loaded in the backfield, but this Purdue graduate can flat out play. He had a solid preseason with the 49ers, who are simply stacked at that position, so Sheets was let go. I assume they want to keep him on the practice squad, but Chiefs fans would love this guy given the chance
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Fire Brodie and Thiggy NOW
and bring in Garcia. How the hell did Oakland let him go? Oh yea, it’s Oakland. Way to go Raidaaaas!
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Just curious
I may have missed previous posts as to why this player is not a good option, so please feel free to check me on this. I am mostly wondering what the pros/cons are with Levi Jones. is he worth anything at all to us?
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
Levi
I’ve never seen the full scoop laid out as fact, but I’ve read in articles/blogs and heard on radio that he has serious injury issues and/or wants too much money to play for a team.
He's a left tackle.
The sort of guy you might pursue if Albert went down. Him ‘n’ Runyan, both. I’m still wondering if Tauscher has anything left in the tank (in the knees).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
P.S.
Pashos seems an ok upgrade. "Ok’ I say. BUT…any detailed info on him?
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
Soooo
Basically if we have the dough, it may be a “decent” option, considering pass rush is a “decent” need. BUT, as DWWMRW said, +1 is better than the shit sandwich we have been forced to eat for some time now. #13 would be a great improvement if we can sway him with a deal that doesnt take our cap and dump it. Exciting next few days!
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I'm hearing...
we’re way under the minimum in terms of contracts. So yeah…we have the dough. TONS of dough.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Ranked #13 among RT last year in pass protection stats.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
And was replaced because...
The Jags have two first day picks invested at Tackle and Pashos has a pretty hefty salary at just over 4M.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Dominic Raiola got cut from the Bears today
he should get a look at C. Also Aaron Fransisco in the coming days wouldn’t surprise me.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I'm gonna pencil him in on the depth chart as a prospect.
Working on it here.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Jeff Garcia was let go???
Seriously. The league needs to step down and take the Raiders away from that incompetent corpse. As much as I question some of Pioli’s moves, can you imagine being a Raider fan?
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 5, 2009 8:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That's A Shocker
He wasn’t that good in preseason, but then he’s the only legitimate QB on Oakland’s roster behind Russell. What an idiotic move.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
You mean the only legit QB
Russell couldn’t QB Blue Valley North High School
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by cpa913 on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
that is just plain awesome
recd
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
Pashos, O'Callaghan or Alex Boone
Any of these three guys would make me a little bit happier with the offensive line. They would move Ndukwe inside where his strength is and leave us one olineman away from going from a weak offensive line to a pretty strong one.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I like the idea of Pashos/OCallaghan, Alex Smith...
and a KR/PR and I’d be feeling really good.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Thanks for the post Matt.
I was looking and thinking along the same lines. There are some capable players out there that were cut in my opinion and ones we have a definite chance to snag.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
I'd like to see us take a look at
David Tyree – WR
Jeff Garcia – QB
AQ Shipley – C
Tony Pashos and/or O’Callaghan – OL
and I’m sure there are several others that I don’t know that much about, but I’m sure the “Don” does….
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Cut Thigpen, McBride and especially Terrence Copper
Bring in Garcia, Pashos, and the tackle from New Orleans whose name I can’t think of right now.
Albert, Waters, Short-Armed Shipley, Ndukwe, Pashos would be a nice line.
With Alleman, (i almost typed macintosh ha), richardson, niswanger, smith and goff for depth.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Also because of obvious connections...
Keep an eye out for the names Francisco, Pope, and Hobson.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I wouldnt say all of them
But Francisco is a Pollard type safety taht can actually tackle and is a ST monster. Pope clearly because we have TE issues, and Hobson may be better depth at LB then what we have with some of the guys we kept.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Straight to Pioli
Shipley, Pashos, Pope
Can I add Amendola to return kick/punts
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Yes.
Nice. I agree with this. You my buddy for a reason!
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Add to that:
OT/OG Jamon Merideth
OG/OT Pashos
QB Brohm
TE Pope
OC Shipley
WR/KR Amendola
Trade for:
OC Wells (GB)
WR Brown (Philly)
WR Branch (Seahawks)
they all would not cost too much via draft picks or players.
Would rather see Lance Long
If we’re going to start throwing picks at players. He’s strong in the slot and fixes our returned issues.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Apparently not everyone fainted at the mear mention of Pollard
being cut.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
I fainted pretty damn hard that was a BULL shit move
Pollard should’ve been on this team with flying colors. Mike Brown better be the next Rodney harrison or i’m going to be pissed.
Why would we get garcia? Another qb on this team that has no arm and will get smashed behind a weak line? Grab up pashos and get this thing moving.
he just need to be better at the point of attack and not ten yards down the field...
poor tackling is a yo-you players calling card on D.
Yup!
Drop Goff, pick up Pashos.
Drop Ryan, pick up Pope.
Drop Copper, pick up Justin Miller.
Drop McBride, pick up Shipley.
I’d be happy with that.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
And I say
Boom-shaka-locka
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I noticed that too
He’s at least got to be worth a look right? I hate KSU alums as much as the next guy but the man at least USED to have gamebreaking speed/moves. Any chance he still does?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
They CUT Pollard!?!
Seriously? They think Mike Brown’s going to hold up for 16 games?
Maybe my estimate on their record was overly optimistic.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
yes, they really did UC
are you feeling faint now?
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
I'm hoping theres a better plan there.
And I wont jump to any conclusions until I see Brown line up as the starter and play the whole game.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
In the Belicheck/Pioli framework
Shouldn’t we be looking at picking up 13 players right about now?
(One from each of our opponents) – OK 12, we don’t really need an edge on the Raiders.
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I almost forgot Klecko got cut from the Eagles
If he’s not a Patriot by Monday, he will be sporting an Arrowhead or a Donkey.
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What about Graham Harrell?
Graham Harrell, Heisman Trophy candidate from Texas Tech, would love somewhere warmer to play than Canada. He’s a young man that deserves a chance. He’d come with a history of success which the Chiefs need as much as talent.
He's third string in the CFL
So thats what 9th string in the NFL?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Graham Harrell is like...
A non-mobile version of Thigpen.
Arm like a 15-year-old, plays only in the spread, questionable decision-making skills…
He was only a Heisman Trophy candidate because of Mike Leach’s “pass only” system and the benefit of having Michael freaking Crabtree to throw to.
Awesome
I have been wondering what Michael’s middle name was. :)
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Sep 5, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would settle for Pashos only
he can play RT or RG and at a min our running game will be much better.
Running game I’d be happy with Richardson if it was shove it down someone’s throat every down, but Cassel, Croyle, Thigpen and Guit are all gonna have to drop back to pass sometime. Sorry but with this line I expect to see all four of them this season.
by mcclanahanman on Sep 5, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not gonna worry
until its time to worry,we have’nt brought in anybody yet and nearly everybody is all chicken little"the sky is falling" damn.
Jags got McCown from Tampa so there goes that Thigpen trade partner.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
If we signed
Miller to return, Pashos to play RT, any WR to replace Copper, and picked up a good blocking TE I’d be freakin jacked up buddy.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
QB Brian Brohm
Was just cut by the packers after being selected in round two last year. The boy scored a 32 on the wonderlic exam. That tied Matt Ryan for highest QB score and we’ve seen what at epic success matt ryan has been
Didn't know...
the wunderlic scored tested a QBs arm strength, accuracy, calm in the pocket, and decision making skills. Interesting.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Yeah, but both of 'em have an uncle named "Bill" who owns a dog named "Blackie."
That can’t just be coincidence.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
What about Isiahuh (sp?) Stanback
As much as I dislike the Cowboys, could be an upgrade over Copper
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Jeremy Bridges - OT
surprise cut from the Washington Redskins
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Skins have one of the worst lines in the league.
Probably worse then the last line we fielded.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
You know, I have actually stayed pretty positive until now but...
After a terrible preseason, an offense that seemingly can’t score, trading away our best player, cutting the only RT on our roster (even though he was terrible) downgrading the safeties as well as the WR corp, keeping Tyler Thigpen when they had a chance to trade him, not addressing the offensive line (which was the biggest weakness on the team), bringing in an old guard who sucks and can’t play anymore and pissing off our pro bowl guard. I have lost my patience.
Its time to see what these fuckheads can do to shape up this roster cuz right now, it looks like a big pile of shit. I would even venture to say it looks worse than last year other than Matt Cassel.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
watch it man,
keep talking like that and someone will drop one of those chicken little pictures on you.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
I agree with him
Pollard cut and Brown Kept?
Lelie cut and Copper kept?
If a servicable center, guard, and tackle are brought in to start I can forgive not taking linemen this year but seriously 2 of our 4 picks in round 1-3 better go on linemen ready to start next year.
I’m not very high on trading away draft picks on players like Ndukwe and Alleman, raw is an understatement on Ndukwe and Alleman didn’t set the world on fire. Hopefully they develop but we don’t need depth on the line we need 3 starters.
Pick up Brohm as a backup QB, cut Guit, trade thiggy if at all possible, if not cut him after week one.
by mcclanahanman on Sep 5, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown might be a step slow, now.
But I think he’ll make everyone around him, in particular, the young LBs, better.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Well That's Nice
Because they’ll need to be better to cover for his declining skills and tendency to injury.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
I hear you, I was overseas and only got to see the final preseason game
All in all, I think we looked good, over 400 yards in total offense, Defense held to 10 points. The problems were glaring. We’ve done something about the Sackintosh problem, but haven’t done anything about the Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Tyler Thigpen problem, and we haven’t put it all together to punch in those 3rd downs, and get 7 not 3, it will happen, have patience.
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by cpa913 on Sep 5, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how when they keep downgrading our roster.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Where exactly have you seen a downgrade?
I haven’t seen any.
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Except TE
but a pro-bowler to anything is a downgrade
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't argue that even Jason Witten is a HUGE downgrade from Tony G
But he wanted out bad. And after Herm led him on to believe we were better than we really were, sometimes you just have to let go. Other than that, I’ve been excited about the personnel moves.
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Uh, you may want to check Witten's stats
He’s on a faster track to more receptions than Tony G was at this stage of his career.
Hardly a huge downgrade.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Brown over Pollard.
Copper over Lelie
Nobody over Sackintosh (Richardson? Really? Might as well be nobody he’s as bad as McSack)
Sean Ryan over Gonzo
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you not watch the final preseason game?
Rockhurst High School RT is an upgrade over Sackintosh
Copper is a Haley guy. Let me repeat that Copper is a Haley guy. Lelie was a shock to me as well, but Copper is a Haley guy.
See above about Gonzo, I can’t argue with people that think it’s 2008 still.
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"Rockhurst high school RT is an upgrade"
Then we better sign him cuz all we have there is a speedbump.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you look at the list of cuts and non-cuts yesterday and today?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
CPA is right
we have lateral moves
Lelie was brought in and waived
Sack for anything is an upgrade
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown over Pollard is not lateral
Copper over Lelie is not lateral
Copper over Wright is not lateral
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Brown is better in coverage than Pollard
I’m going to miss Pollard, but we will be OK
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You can't be better in coverage if you're always injured
Gotta be on the field to play
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
It's kinda a moot point
We’re going to battle with Mike Brown and DuJuan Morgan at SS. I think we could have done worse.
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Copper is not A WR
He is a Haley Tool.
Soon to be discarded IMO
Pollard was a Haley tool too
Because Pollard wouldn’t get with the program
So discarded also
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Copper isn't an upgrade over a pile of shit.
I can’t believe that fuck actually made the team.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
U read reports, u watch preseason on tv… Only from angles of action… And u know more than The Don and Haley…. Come on man chill out.. I normally really like ur replys but ur a bit radical tonight… U can take 2-14 and after preseason be perfect… Give it time… Take a big deep breath in and relax.
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 6, 2009 1:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
400 yds of offense is SLIGHTLY misleading
considering a huge chunk of it came on 3-5 plays.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You can win with one big play
3-5 should seal the deal Oh Thiggy :(
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If the vast majority of your offense
is derived from less than a handful of big plays against a team that sucked as much as we did last year… you’ve got a pretty shitty offense.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Tell Payton Manning his big plays don't count
You guys can’t have it both ways, either they count or they don’t!!!!!
WTF?
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LOL!
There’s a difference between an offense that consistently produces and moves down the field with a handful of big plays a game to supplement that production and one that’s more impotent than Bob before he found Enzyte that happens to get lucky on a few plays a game and make something decent happen.
Give me a fuckin break. You HAVE to understand the difference there… I hope…
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 5, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recked...
That’s funny. Like I said I missed the first 3 preseason games, but I was impressed with the ball movement on game 4, I’m sure Cassel would have punched it in several times.
Our D looks like it’s going to rock.
I hereby give you a f..ing break, the Chiefs are only lucky when they have great plays, other teams do it on purpose.
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That's not my point at all
what I’m saying is that you can’t judge an offense solely on it’s ability to bust a big play.
When any team, not just KC, has 400 yds of offense and 300 of it came from 4 plays that means that over the course of the rest of the game that offense was only able to produce 100 yds. An offense that can only produce 100 yds a game is terrible.
I’m not saying that KC just got lucky and Indy is just elite. I’m saying that Indy consistently produces offensive yardage and can move down the field and score with regularity. KC puts up 400 yds of offense and scores FGs instead of TDs. Biiiiig difference.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
And I'm saying they will fix that
Cassel hasn’t even hardly played. This is not a one year project. We will be competitive, just can’t predict when that will happen. I hope by week 4, but may not be until week 8, it’s going to be fun watching.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
The offense DEFINATELY had more rythum with Haley calling the plays, penalties and a couple overthrows by Croyle kept us from scoring 21 in the first half
by Tomahawk_Chop on Sep 5, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares. 400 yards is 400 yards.
And when your D only gives up 10 points youre going to win more often then not with 400 yards of offense.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
recd love the emotion chiefsfan1970
im almost at your point right now but i know pioli may be pulling something wild out his ass and i hope it isnt a shit . but we still have some picking to do and maybe some trades we will have to see you never know. be patient hes working the phones as we speak haggling like a gypsy in a goodwill shop right now.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
God I hope so
otherwise our shit is hitting the fan.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
shit is defently on its way toward the fan i can feel it but it still at the end of the day is
eleven guys on the field. And no matter who it is they have to do their jobs. I have to say pats were winnning super bowls with not the best talent in the league they were winning games with out smarting and playing every game as a team.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I have to agree with you, there.
WR Troy Brown filling in at CB, for Pete’s sake.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Great analogies
On both fronts. Probably going to steal both those at some point.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 5, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't be worse than last year. Pioli and Haley have proven they'll make changes
Herm and Carl wouldn’t. This team is not going to be in the Super Bowl but I like what Peter King said the other day on the Doug Gottlieb show, “I have the Chiefs at 8-8 because they have a good QB in Cassell a potentially good running game with LJ and a good coach and front office willing to make moves to get better.”
by WesternChief on Sep 5, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Making moves to get better is a very nice thought but,
The ONLY position upgrade I have seen so far on offense is QB
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. What exactly are all these "moves to get better"
that we’ve made so far? Because I was seeing the makings of at least a few of them and then all those options just got fucked in the butt by the final cuts.
Not even Wright was better than Copper in Haley’s eyes? Bulllllshit.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
If you all would read Gretz
You would have seen that Copper is a Haley guy.
Have I mentioned that Copper is a Haley guy.
Oh, yea, Copper is a Haley guy
Hello, you play to win the game. Oops that was last year.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
So you're totally cool with Copper on the roster over Lelie or Wright?
And that’s just because he’s a Haley guy, right?
K, just wanted to make sure.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
If our hope for a good offense
rested in who made the #5 WR slot, we were already screwed. And keep in mind, I hate Copper and also wanted Lelie to make the team.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
The D
The WR
The QB
How much do you expect?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
All I expect is, once we get GOOD players in here that we don't cut them
and leave BAD players on the team. The WR corps actually looked like it was shaping up and now Copper is a guy we have to count on to make a clutch play?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
My Arguement sucked
I Know
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
order of perspective, table one please
You can’t turn a gigantic 2-14 heap of poo into a super bowl winner in one year. Calm down please. We have a new GM (upgrade), a new head coach (upgrade), a new franchise QB (looks to be upgrade), a new defensive scheme (upgrade). Let’s at least give them a regular season game before we gather up the torches and pitch forks.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
I think I have kept perspective until now but...
Seriously, this is fucking crazy. There have been tons of opportunities to make upgrade at key positions, particularly at WR and they keep the fuckin scrubs while cutting the wiley vets.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at Haley's track record with WR
The ones that did what he wanted have been great players. The one guy he didn’t want around was TO. I freaking HATE that Copper made the roster, but I don’t think Toomer, Lelie, or Wright were going to be the Boldin to D-Bowe’s Fitsgerald anyway. As far as Pollard goes, I was never a fan so I’m not going to shed any tears there.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
you still have Brokie, so it isn't all bad:)
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 5, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
kc pork chop
i mean im defintaly eating what your ordering i think we are all a little shocked right now about some of the moves we made. But i have to look at it this way haley and pioli know what they want. They see the tape they know whats going on day in and day out. He must not be doing his job or just not buying into the system eitherway. I know we are not super bowl bound yet. But like they always mention its time to change the culture and build a winner maybe this move is the start of something special who knows.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
finally someone with level head
We have made great strides to get rid of the sorry middle of the road talent that we had. If there was a big demand for Pollard someone would of traded for him, be real people Peoli knows exactly how to run a team and what he needs to be a winner and you are worried about Ashlie F-in Lelie who had played for how many teams? Its a new time and I know that this is not going to be an overnight project and these marginal players are never going to win us squat. IMO of course
More like, everyone knew we were more than likely going to cut him anyway
so they just waited til we did it so they can get him for “free” instead.
The point isn’t that Lelie was the mystical Key to the SuperBowl but rather that at worst he is more talented and an overall better player than Terrance Copper. Therefore, keeping Copper and cutting Lelie pisses us off. It’s like cheating on a chubby girl with a fat one— why?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 5, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But
If they really wanted him and his talents they would of gave something for him than take chances against the other teams, so basically no one team wanted to give up crap for him. Not trying to argue and life is never bad enough to cheat with a chubby!! imo
You'd almost be more worried if Lelie ended up your starter.
But my jury’s out on Copper. If all I see is everyone on the field playing with presence of mind, every play, then this is a competitive ballclub.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
call me crazy but i mean im not even sold on cassel yet
i mean the guy looks the part knows his plays definatly deserves the starting roll in the movie . but im not sure he can pull off all the stunts just yet. Im not sold on him yet and i really want to be sold i really do cuz im tired of searching for a everday starter. Im just waiting for the day when i see cassel and im like damn this guy looks like the next trent green it may be some time. But we really have no protection for the guy or any weapons besides bowe and charles and larry on a good day
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I think Cassel is going to be the man but,
It don’t matter if he’s laying on his back.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing is, we still have a shitty C and iffy-at-best RG
and that’s assuming either A) Ndukwe is a better RT than he looked in the little time he’s been with us or B) we’ve got someone waiting to sign in Sack’s place.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Takes time for a line to gel
Be patient we have a great schedule. If we are 3-5 at the midway point, watch out!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Are we looking at the same schedule?
We play two of the best divisions in the NFL this year… (NFC East and AFC North)
Granted, December’s schedule is great but the rest of it is pretty brutal. The only real saving grace is that the AFC West blew up like a pipe bomb full of suck over the last couple years.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You might want to tell the NFC South and the AFC East that
Agreed on the AFC west though!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
We will at least split with the NFC East
Haley is not going to lose to the Marshmellow (Wade Phillips) PERIOD, and Washington, even with Haynesworth sucks.
Baltimore = MartyBall, easily overcome. Pittsburgh = better Martyball. Cincy and Cleveland = Raiders
Schedule could be much worse!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
man I love me some Red and Gold Kool Aid
but I think you may need to lay off it a little bit.
The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard
the RG will get better
if the C and RT are better. They will push each other to be better and they can focus on the guy in front of them and not worry about the guy next to them.
exactly i mean i thought for sure we were going to address that issue with our first pick
of the draft i mean like i said i love me some tyson jackson he has definatly showed flashes on the field that he can be a good player. but i thought for sure we would pick a o line man to protect our shiny qb.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I'm kind of glad they didnt.
Because Albert is better then the whole lot of them. Too much of a learning curve or something because they arent instant impact players like some assumed.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
From the Browns
•OL Corey Hilliard: Who? He was a sixth-round pick by the Patriots in 2007 and spent the past two years on the Colts as a backup/practice squad type player.
This is a typical Piolli pickup
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Todd Boeckman
he’s from THE Ohio State University……………
It’s ok i bitch slapped myself for even sayin it
Where are you so I can bitch slap you as well?
Washington is hard enough to deal with…if the Chiefs signed Boeckman, I might have to change allegiances.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Why does everyone assume Brown will start every play?
Or that he will start? Or that he wont rotate with someone else?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agree on Pashos and Sheets but not Garcia
OT Tony Pashos and RB Kory Sheets would be welcome additions to the Chiefs.
Garcia is getting to long in the tooth, I would rather see QB Joey Harrington, just released by the Saints – who hope he clears waivers.
i would kill for some garcia on our back up qb we need to get rid of thig and croyle
garcia blows those guys away in a heart beat and seems like a haley guy . That guy just makes plays and is smart with the football
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 5, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+ 1 million
Garcia should be the starter in Philly. I cant believe the kept “that’s not my yard” over him!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
No Garcia had a hell of a year
They even benched McNabb. I like McNabb OK, but Garcia was definitely their Rich Gannon that year.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Key phrase: "that year"
There’s only so much you can do to fight the aging process. McNabb is still a Pro Bowl caliber QB and replacing him with Garcia this year would make their offense much less imposing.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
that looks like my date tonniiight yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss
minus the panties
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I know, it'd be worth having him in KC
just to see her around town.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
+1
This chick is way hotter then Brodie and Tyler and is definetly an upgrade.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I've Seen Her Naked
She’s hawt.
:)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Giggity
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
I'd agree on Bones
Croyle looks like he needs more than rice paper between him and opposing D’s before he can actually do anything other than get hurt.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
OK?
you are OK with keeping a injury prone QB as our 2nd, but you don’t like keeping brown?
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 5, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
no we are convinced his wife would up the moral of the kc fans
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I would like to see Shaun Smith more than anyone else come on board with us.
Lets face it-
we have been weak at the NT position, and a good NT does wonders for your 3-4 defense. Ngata, Wilfork and even B.J. Raji as a rookie are mauling people which makes it that much easier for the DEs if you have a rush one like we do, or even not it just collapses their lines easier.
I think we could drop 15-25 yards at least per game on our opponents rushing with a good NT.
To Pioli-
Dorsey came into camp out of shape, he has sucked so far this preseason-
SHOP HIM AROUND!!!
LOOK FOR A GOOD YOUNG RT FOR DORSEY!!!
DO IT NOW!!!
I liked Pollard but......
I dont understand why everyone is so upset, he had his chance and obviously it didnt work. Our team hasnt won chit in how long, its time for a huge change and everything needs to be mixed up. As for the whole scrubs from other teams thing….. Cory Mays was a scrub from another team and look what he has shown so far. He does nothing….. nothing at all…… but be around the ball on every play. I swear he has some involvment on every tackle it seems. Sometimes guys dont fit on one team and play like stars on another and sometimes its just a change of scenery thats needed.
That and the Brady hit.
They’re probably not seeing the HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS of tape of Pollard playing the way they want, like Haley and Pioli are.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Brady hit?
No disrespect intended but that wasn’t a hit. He was blocked but continued trying to get to the QB & lunged into Brady’s left leg as it was coming down from the throw! Excellent effort but it wasn’t a hit. I was a desperation lunge!
Hey guys...
We lost 14 games last year.
I don’t agree with Lelie and Pollard being cut but what do I know?
If they win 5+ games this year they can sign/cut whoever they want.
Definitely a wait and see kind of decision.
by Lucasjr5 on Sep 5, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey Lucas
I know you joined last night but wanted to say welcome! Glad to have you aboard.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 5, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't you know?
All of us were voted NFL Executive of the Year, just like Pioli! We know as much, if not more, than him!!
But completely agree. I’ll trust the guy who won consistently every year and managed to keep his team free of drama and under the salary cap.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Decent point
but that doesn’t that he can’t make mistakes and complaints can’t be right.
(it just makes them less likely)
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Safeties!
Cutting Pollard was a bad idea. Yeah he kind of sucked in coverage but he was a big hitter. Yeah, sometimes he didn’t wrap up and tackle but what Chief didn’t? The coachs this year were working on tackles and it was showing. Morgan actually stepped up. His first couple of preseason games were horrible(he blew coverage-pollard anyone?-) but the last couple he was all over the field and making plays. McGraw is good at special teams and made that huge hit against the Rams but he isn’t a good starting safety. Page of course is solid.
i just cant wait until haley takes the podium i wish i was a reporter to ask some questions
im sure the pollard question is going to be shot at him really quick. either way im about to get dressed and head down to a dance club to dance off this shitty news in hopes when im done dancing we will have done something good for the team. wish me happy hunting men
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
watch this 1st
http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/09000d5d8123fcaf/Seahawks-14-Chiefs-10
The 2.:49 and 3:58 minute marks.
You then will understand why this guy got cut..
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 5, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
looks to me like
he doesn’t wrap up when he tackles. he tries to knock them out of their cleats. and the next play after 3:58, he misses the player. if he had at least tried to wrap up, he would have saved at least 2 yards
How many times
are you going to copy this from someone ELSE’s comment and then spam it all over multiple threads of comments?
Just wondering so I can know what to expect.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Not that I disagree
but is there some advantage that people get by making repeated comments? If not, why complain? If so, why care?
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Should I link a video of Mike Brown limping off the field?
Or Morgan sitting on the bench?
Don’t get me wrong, I like Morgan. I’m just making the point that cutting Pollard was stupid given the information we’ve got.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You can link whatever you want, but that does not change the fact
that Haley has been saying all through training camp he does not want yo-yo players. I really like Pollard, but he is a yo-yo player. He makes great plays and he makes piss poor plays.
We do not see all of the practices and the consistency, or lack thereof, so calling it stupid based on the information we have gotten (apparently haven’t been on BobGretz.com) is probably not the best course of action.
Let’s enjoy this roller coaster ride!
Here’s what Gretz has been saying about Pollard
He’s made big plays in his career, but most of them have come on special teams.
But why wasn’t he wanted with the Chiefs? It’s hard to give you the straight skinny on that given that Pioli/Haley were unavailable to speak in the last two days. More than likely they wouldn’t have much to say about Pollard even should there be microphones around.
So all we can do is speculate. First, there was the play of three other safeties in the St. Louis game, while Pollard was home in Kansas City. Jon McGraw, Mike Brown and DaJuan Morgan were the best defenders on the field for the Chiefs. McGraw came back from a bad game against Seattle last weekend, while Brown got his first extensive playing time. Morgan was all over the field.
We do not know why Pollard was not practicing last week and why he wasn’t available for the game. Early in training camp he did tweak an ankle, but he did not miss a practice.
Second, there was the disagreement on the practice field back on August 26 between Pollard and defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast. Pollard was yanked from the first-team defense during a drill and he was very vocal in his unhappiness to Pendergast and eventually head coach Todd Haley.
Afterwards, Pollard wouldn’t talk about what set him off saying only: "Man, there’s just so much crap going down around here." Pollard did say he had a conversation with Haley off the practice field and felt that everything was fine. "He didn’t let it fester, he came to me and we talked about it," Pollard said. "I like that."
Third, it may come down to talent, or lack of same in the eyes of the Chiefs coaches. Pollard is a hitter and always has been during his football career. However, he was not a good tackler. Pollard was prone to going for the big bang with his shoulder and not wrapping up to make sure the ball carrier was down. Given the focus of Haley and his staff on fundamentals, it’s not a surprise that habit may have hurt Pollard
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
good quote, cpa913.
How many times did we see Pollard whiff on the hit and then watch the runner go another 8-90 yards?
Also, I LOVE (hate) the Pioli/Haley policy about not talking about players that aren’t playing. They’ll never say why he was cut!
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
that sheets kid can run the ball pick him up quick!
thought we could have kept pollard good for atleast a backup hes not really paid that much
or traded him later on
+1 kinda
If we didnt have 5 RBs already I’d be all for Sheets.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Garcia is bad luck.
Anyone care to research the damage that occurs to a team when he’s on the roster? He’s the equivalent of pissing on a black cat’s gravestone while standing under a ladder.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Didn't watch him in Philly I take it?
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 5, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Garcia won't come here anyway
He has said many times he wants to be the starter.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 5, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless our O-line gets better
that shouldn’t be an issue
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
It's not up to him where he goes or if he starts.
Silly non-Pioli-thinkers.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Serious?
Garcia cast a bad-luck spell on the team, they went 5-6 before McNabb got hurt and Garcia got to start until they lost in the playoffs. What could be a better example of his bad luck?
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
You just proved my point
5-6 under McNabb…5-0 under Garcia including winning 3 in a row in December against the rest of the NFC East to get into the playoffs where he won a playoff game.
Craig 1 – jbopp 0
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats how i remember it going down
Garcia pseudo saved that season for them (got them into the playoffs after having a losing record more than halfway through the season)
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
My point is that it was his being on the roster that caused that bad luck to happen
Also, it was a joke, schmuck.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Lelie being being cut was no suprise.....
You have to have time to throw to even need a “deep threat”.
Looks like any Thigpen/Jaguars deal is dead.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/06/mccown.jags.bucs.ap/index.html
Somebody feel free to fanshot it or w/e will get somebody’s attention.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
I'm done guessing for now
who the fuck knows at this point?
I’m still optimistic… but I’ve been proven wrong too many times to guess.
I’ll just try and be patient and wait and see.
I’d be much happier w/ Pollard and Lelie and without Copper and Colclough, that much I know.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Ha
I know, right? It will be tough to get into Pioli’s head and guess correctly.
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by Chris Thorman on Sep 6, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Sign Jeff Garcia
I think that we should sign Jeff Garcia to bring some leadership to the quarterback position.
There are lots of good players out there but so what ?
Pioli is running KC.
He has already proven he is a poor judge of football talent.
He got rid of Tony G
He got rid of Pollard
He signed a one year wonder to a $60 million dollar deal
He failed to improve the offensive line in FA or the draft
He failed to improve the WR corps in the draft or FA
Why would anyone expect much from the roster camp cuts ?
Pioli only got the job in NE because he married Parcells’ daughter. He only got the jub in KC because he worked for New England.
wow so negative
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 6, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Been hanging with
the they traded pollard, (It’s end of days,we all might as well drink the punch and die) crowd i see.
by Bestofthewest on Sep 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not surewhy we are talking about Garcia
we already have 4 quarterbacks….lets trade or cut 2 of them before we think about signing another one.
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