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Chiefs Quarterbacks, Secondary Biggest Unknown Heading into Cutdown Day

First off, we've got a must read for you.  Over at the Mothership, Josh Looney has a nice chart posted that lists the number of players kept at each position for the '08 and '07 Chiefs, Cardinals and Patriots.  It definitely helps give us an idea of how many players the Chiefs might keep at each position this year.

I stress might because, well, the more we learn about this team the more we realize we don't know.

One note to mention is that the '08 and '07 Chiefs didn't run a 3-4 defense so the number of defensive linemen, ends and linebackers will be much different.

Today, however, I want to point out the two positions where I think we'll see good players from the Chiefs hitting the waiver wire.  Predicting the cuts for this administration is difficult but as we wind down to the league mandated 53 man roster, it's becoming a numbers game.  

Here are the two positions where I think the biggest question marks remain.

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Quarterback

I won't spend much time here because, if you've looked at Arrowhead Pride in the last month, you know the quarterback debate has been heated and well discussed.

Matt Cassel is safe.  There's no question about that.  In my humble opinion, Brodie Croyle is safe as well.

That leaves Tyler Thigpen and Matt Gutierrez as the two battling it out for what is likely to be one position.  There's a chance the Chiefs carry four quarterbacks, especially in the early goings as Cassel's injury isn't quite known, but I deem it unlikely.  Just my opinion, which would mean something only if I was on the Chiefs payroll.

My best guess: Gutierrez is cut, Thigpen remains.

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Secondary

Prior to training camp, or even a week into training camp, I never would have guessed this would become arguably the most interesting position battle.

DaJuan Morgan's return from injury is what made this one of the best battles in the '09 version of Chiefs training camp.

We've now heard two rumors about the Chiefs trying to move a safety.  The first came a couple weeks back when the Chiefs were rumored to have offered the Lions DaJuan Morgan for a fourth round pick in return.  Schwartz and Lions didn't bite.  The next rumor, reported by Brad Biggs of the National Football Post, stated the Chiefs were shopping Bernard Pollard.  As of this posting, there's been no movement on that front.

The Chiefs worked Mike Brown out in early June then had a month full of OTAs looking at the current safeties and brought him on board.  Doesn't that say to you they thought Brown has a very good shot to make this team?  It does to me.

Here's my thought process on the whole secondary:

If the Chiefs keep four cornerbacks, they'll probably keep five safeties and we won't be discussing the Pollard/Brown/Morgan issue.  This is definitely a possibility.  Here are the current corners and who I would release if only four were retained:

If the Chiefs keep five cornerbacks, then they're likely keeping Colclough or Bates and it could mean only four safeties are retained:

  • Page and McGraw probably safe
  • Two spots for Pollard, Brown and Morgan

With a pair of trade rumors involving Chiefs safeties, something tells me they don't want to keep five.  Or it tells me they'll hang onto five, for now, and move one of them.  Just a hunch.

My best guess: Chiefs keep four cornerbacks (Carr, Leggett, Flowers and Washington) and five safeties (Page, McGraw, Pollard, Brown and Morgan).

How it all really shakes out?  I guess we'll know in about eight hours.

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I have to disagree on qb's,

I think Gut stays, and Bones goes. Pioli has seen more of Gut, and with Bones pre-season performance he is gone.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Sep 5, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

yep

OR they temporarily keep all 4, until they can trade Thigpen

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gutierrez will stay. He is a more

traditional style quarterback. Thigpen is out. Or at least he will be out at some point.

by G.L. on Sep 5, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 as well

My Gut says we are keeping Gut.

Shoulda taken the pick last week. Maybe we can still give him away for Pashos if he is to be cut as well. Won’t happen…but we’d win on that deal even though the Jags just want to dump his contract.

by 3GChief on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

DB

4 CB/ 5 S ? interesting… hadn’t thought of that before. I was assuming they’d keep 5 CB regardless.

But, Morgan and McGraw>Ricardo Colclough, IMO.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a FA CB brought in to replace Ricardo Colclough, and one of the safeties cut… my vote is McGraw

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

wow

this is a great link, maybe worthy of a fanpost or shot
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/09/05/access_arrowhead_blog__wheeling_and_dealing/

looks like the Cards and Pats both had 4 CB/5 S the last 2 yrs… only the Chiefs kept 5 or 6 CB.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I may not have worded that right…
I just think it’s interesting.
When I was trying to put together a 53 man roster, I was curious, and wished I had that info.

I’d be curious to hear what everyone else thinks about how many to keep at each position

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Post -- Thanks!

As unpopular as Thigpen has become this last week or two — I’m impressed that you’d go out on a limb and pick him over Gutierrez. I like it! I still think that he has a skill set that none of the other do, which makes him useful in unique situations. Haley has said he will do what it take to win, so gadget plays and wildcat could be in the cards. I’m sure this will generate some emotion… ;)

I also think that Thigpen has alot of guts, which strikes me as a Pioli/Haley sort of player. I/we could be wrong, but I agree with you that he gets the last QB spot and they figure out a way to make use of his skill set…

I also like the choice of keeping 5 Safeties and 4 CBs. I think you’re right on that front also. Its the best players. This increases flexibility and gives us some fodder for a future trade. I also think that Morgan can and has played a bit of CB — wouldn’t use him at that position alot, but he’s flexible that way…

Thanks! Great post! Wrecked…

"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...

by Chief_Elmo on Sep 5, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

If I were to go by stats alone Thigpen would be gone.

                               Att. Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD Int Rating

Matt Gutierrez 40 25 299 62.5 7.5 0 2 64.5
Tyler Thigpen 36 17 145 47.2 4.0 1 3 32.8

We’ll find out today what they will do.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

Get your Arrowhead Pride Wolf Pack T-shirt now!

by oldchiefsfan on Sep 5, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

That's what I get for not previewing it first

hopefully you can figure that out.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

Get your Arrowhead Pride Wolf Pack T-shirt now!

by oldchiefsfan on Sep 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

These guys came in saying everyone had a clean slate and were in open competition. Not that i don’t think Pioli and company looked at last year’s tapes but I feel like they put more emphasis on what they’ve seen this offseason within their own system.

That being said Bones would be the odd man out.

by Chief Crazy on Sep 5, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

And does anybody realistically believe Thigpen has any trade value around the league.

There were rumors of a 5th rounder being offered but that was before two very poor performances in situations that seemed to be intended to showcase his talents.

I assume the 5th was fair value at the time and I certainly don’t think that value has gone anywhere but down.

by Chief Crazy on Sep 5, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

2 bad games shouldn't change a player's value that much

there is plenty of game tape on him, so i think opinions were formed before those games

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I was just thinking any tape with him playing in a pro style offense is pretty god awful. I’m reminded of his first start last year and then of course his pre season games. But again, you make a good point and are probably right.

by Chief Crazy on Sep 5, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Number's game = makes sense

Using Looney’s chart the cuts appear to fall right into place for me.

26 Off (4QB, 5RB, 5WR, 3TE, 9OL)
24 Def (7DL, 8LB, 9DB)
3 ST = 53 Total

Actually changed my mind twice looking at the names and factoring in ST play. One time i add a RB and delete a WR, then add a LB and subtract a DB.

Cut – J Williams, T Cooper, T Johnson, R Wright, T Crabtree, D Harris, D Gales, B Greeenwood, T McBride, Z Thomas (PUP), P Walters, J Bates, R Colclough, R Price

let me know, but be prepared to substitute one of mine for yours. also 10 of my cuts qualify for the practice squad team.

by stenerud's roost on Sep 5, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Mcbride doesn't qualify for PS

but, I think you’re pretty close

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

McBride, Copper, Thomas, Colclough are the four who don’t. the other 10 do i believe.

McBride will hit the wire, the other two will be FA and Thomas to PUP.

by stenerud's roost on Sep 5, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

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