Kansas City Chiefs Reportedly Shopping Bernard Pollard
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 6:34 PM CDT
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According to the National Football Post, the Kansas City Chiefs are apparently shopping three year starting strong safety Bernard Pollard for a trade in order to create playing opportunities for Mike Brown.
The Kansas City Chiefs are exploring options to trade strong safety Bernard Pollard, a move that would create an opening for veteran Mike Brown to move into the starting lineup, sources said.
The 24-year-old Pollard, a fourth-year pro from Purdue, has made 31 starts the last two seasons. He had 98 tackles and one interception last season. But Brown was signed in late June to push both Pollard and free safety Jarrad Page.
I'm going to go on record now as saying that I don't get this at all unless it's being used as a motivational tactic for Pollard. Reportedly Pollard had an altercation with new defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, which would explain if Pollard were in the doghouse, and Pollard's preseason has been underwhelming (to be kind). But you're talking about the team trading away a guy who's probably going to net maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick, if that, in order to free up playing time for a SS who's hardly played better this preseason, who's finished the season on the IR twice in the last three years and who's played double digit games in only one season over that time.
Seriously...what the hell? I can understand souring on a player, but does Haley think Brown's got five or six more years in him like Pollard may have? Extremely doubtful. And what are the odds Brown actually plays a full season for this team? He hasn't played 16 games since 2003 and he wasn't particularly impressive in the 15 games he played last season. I was happy the Chiefs signed the guy...as a possible reserve...but to be the starter?
That's just nuts.
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Have to disagree
Brown is a playmaker which is one thing Pollard has shown himself not to be. Brown is also able to cover much better than Pollard (evidenced by his ability to play both safety spots). Pollard is durable and plays hard, but I have had my fill of missed tackles and bad positioning from the safety spot. Also Dajuan Morgan has a very nice game last night and could be a good fill in if/when Mike Brown gets hurt again.
by MaineChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs are pretty abysmal against the cutback move,
and that’s what safeties are for. Not just to make a splash flowing WITH the defense and making a big hit, but staying at home, and keeping the D from being burned. I thought he was out of position quite a lot, too, and not that sure of a tackler in space. So much for trade value.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DaJuan Morgan is the story as much as Pollard. The kid was outstanding in the Seattle game (which the media never covered) and he was even better against the Rams. Brown isn’t the end game. The Chiefs believe in Morgan. I like the move. I hope they get value for Pollard. Send him to Gunther.
by ChiefConcern on Sep 4, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I think they really want Brown there for the influence he can have on Morgan and even Page.
I like Pollard, but he makes as many mistakes as he does good plays. He’s aggresive but I don’t think his ceiling is any higher than what you see now. Page and Morgan have higher ceilings, I believe.
by tnyehawker on Sep 4, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sooner Pollard's gone...
The better… He’s an alleged “big hitter” who’s really more of a big whiffer… You need somebody in your defensive backfield who does more than just make bit hits, but directs the defense and makes big plays and actually makes tackles… Pollard is a very average safety… If the Chiefs can get a 2nd Rounder or a good OL/WR for him – adios.
by FredThreezy on Sep 5, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To New England
that’ll keep Tom on his toes in practice.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Sep 4, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
True; They are purging Herm's guys!
Morgan stepping up is making this happen!
by Goldzone on Sep 4, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Morgan had one good game.
Now let’s hope he has more, but everyone should calm down on him a bit.
by 3GChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making the diving pick, though, says there's some ball skills in there.
That’s prob’ly why his stock SHOT up so quickly. One play doesn’t a DB make, unless his name is Larry Brown. I just think it’s cool to see the pick, rather than the almost-pick.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he also
gambled and dove for another interception that he MISSED, and was simply dropped by the WR.
by Petey14 on Sep 4, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit, Petey. If you're going to use FACTS in your arguments,
how am I going to make any headway?
I think I’m reachin’, because it’s Friday night and I’m tired.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
In all honesty, I thought Morgan made a great play on BOTH of those plays, he just misjudged one which is a mistake from a 2nd year guy..its allowable. But I dont know if Brown and Morgan are better suited to take place of Pollard. Its a tought call, IMO
by Petey14 on Sep 5, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHO USED FACTS???
And WHY?? WHY? For the love of God Why??
by krayfish on Sep 5, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Chiefs don't get better this year and we move Pollard...
We’ll be in prime position to pick up Taylor Mays from USC. He’d look good playing in KC.
by WesternChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry. The Chiefs will be better this year.
But BOY is that offense likely to struggle, at least at first.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think after a slow start out offense will be able to move the ball
I am excited to see how the running game pans out.
by jchief40 on Sep 4, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Homer Simpson doughnut voice*
“Mmmm…Taylor Mays”
Dauntlessly Matriculating
by SoCalChief on Sep 5, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate it
unless it nets a player. And it has to be a player with some skill to be a starter….because pollard contributed to 6 turnovers last year and led the team in tackles.
by SDChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I agree with UC on this as well which is unusual.
Pollard has a far greater upside and little/no injury problems, especially when compared to Brown.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 4, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A safety...
leading a team in tackles is a very bad thing. It wasn’t because he was laying down wood. It was because he was the last line of defense. I say we move him. He has some value and we are deep at safety right now.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
he’s supposed to be the last line of defense. Thats why hes a safety. The front 7 last year couldnt get off blocks which is why Page and Pollard led the team in tackles. We had a terrible run D. SS’s support the run…which is what he did even though he was in a Cover 2 D.. Because of the ineffectiveness of the front 7, Pollard was basically a 4th linebacker. With an improved front 7, he can concentrate more on coverage instead of creeping up on the run.
by Petey14 on Sep 4, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You made the arguement for trading him
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm not
I’m saying at the VERY least, hes a young safety and still has a place on the team. So what if Brown plays over him..is that worth giving him up? I dont think so. Pollards the hardest hitter on the team. He bit on some playaction last year but who wouldnt considering how terrible our Run D was that HE had to help clean up because the front 7 werent doing THEIR jobs.
People are so back and forth with these guys. Croyle plays good and hes in competition with Cassel, then the next week he doesnt play so good and hes in competition with Thigpen. Then Thigpen has a bad game and suddenly hes in competition with Gutierrez.
Everybody was high on Pollard after the Houston game. He was fine until his spitspat with Pendergast and now everyone is ready to trade him.
by Petey14 on Sep 4, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole post is horse shit
But it is a subject to speculate on :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im with ya.
Pollard is a good player…scratch that, i mean a good STARTER! Brown is injury prone…I dont think Pollard has had 1 bad season yet. He isnt a Cover 2 Safety which is what herm used. He should have a big season this year. As far as Morgan…he plays 2 good games (in preseason) and all of the sudden everybody wants him to start over Pollard? I dont think so. I think this is BS and i dont really believe the post at all. And im glad Pollard got into with Pendergast…At least he knows how to stand up for himself and be a physical and verbal player. Id rather have that than a guy who stays quiet and gets hurt all the time.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 4, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is well know as the vocal leader of the great Bears defenses this decade.
When an All-Pro linebacker, Brian Urlacher, says you are the QB of the defense and that he is sad to see you go, I don’t call that quiet.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan needs to be on the block
or the waiver wire :)
You can’t sit on your ASS and ride it to the 53.
Oh except ME
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by quiet i didnt mean vocal leader
Pollard is a vocal guy…not a leader so much but i mean if the offense does something im pretty sure you will hear pollard laughing or talkin smack on the D. Thats the kinda vocal i was talking about…sorry for the mix up.
Brown no doubt is a good player. He just cant stay healthy. And i really dont feel like letting a good player go to let an injury prone guy step in. Not that i dont think Brown cant step up..its if he gets hurt then i dont think the others can step up…
by Wrestler189s on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good points, guys.
I definitely respect the opposing viewpoint. But it’s been good (for me) to vent things I think that I’m seeing on the field.
My being critical of Pollard is not to be taken as tacit approval for any other player, although I have always had a good feeling about Mike Brown, because he knows how to play winning defense, and every game he survives is a game we probably have a better chance of winning than we would otherwise.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing I can think of..
is this move says more about Morgan as the future then Pollard and they’ll start Brown until he gets hurt or until Morgan is ready.
by golfbard on Sep 4, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't like this
Regarding the tiff between he and Pendergast, it might have something to do with this (via Bob Gretz at CBS):
Just before practice was moved inside, Chiefs defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast yanked S Bernard Pollard from a drill. Pollard was upset and yelled at Pendergast. He then made a plea to coach Todd Haley, who eventually waved him away.
From the 8/26 practice report.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Catch.
Hardly sounds like a guy who is doing it the way the Chiefs want it done. Pollard always was a bit out of control and a guy like that gets penalties at the most inappropriate of times.
by WesternChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right or wrong, pleading your case like that in practice isn't cool.
You should KNOW that the coaches don’t have ANY time or intention for that sort of thing. They’re busy enough directing all the guys who DON’T have a beef. If you haveta say somethin’, save it for after the on-the-field stuff, man. Meantime, just shut up ‘n’ touch the fence.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nooooooo!!!!!
Pollard is one of the things that’s right with this team. Unless we’re getting a big return, I say don’t do it.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
by royaldaddy on Sep 4, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is absurd information!
Pollard is going nowhere, I see Brown backing him up and us bringing in Francisco to back up Page or take that spot I guarantee it!
by jrpjr421 on Sep 4, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this right....
We are to believe our team would trade our starting SS because a different HERM pick who did NOTHING last year had one good PRE-SEASON game against the RAMS and a 30 year old who’s been on the IR 2 of the last 3 years is on the team?
Seriously. It’s just heresay. It’s just like in Madden when you start messing around to see what you can get for people. Calm down. He’s going nowhere.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Sep 4, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sci-ops
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
psi-ops?
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Sep 4, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it could be Sci ops too :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be....
psy-ops actually!
by big_Scott on Sep 4, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
must have been thinking of Babylon5, be seeing you.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Sep 5, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like "heresay"
It brings a negative connotation with a religious twist.
I don’t think it’s about who was picked when or by whom. I’ve been pretty critical of the safeties for a while, mainly because of how they seemed to be coached under Cunningham.
KC’s had a lot of talent on D right along, but hasn’t played with a high football IQ and I mean even before Herm’s college team last year. I feel like Cunningham selected for athletes at the expense of football IQ, and then schemed to mask the lack of decision-making taking place on the field. So in a way, I’m kind of happy to hear that Brown will be on the field more, rather than less.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Would Be "Heresy"
Not “hearsay”. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. It's a sniglet.
A perfect melding of “heresy,” implying there’s something heretical or sacreligious in the rumor, and “hearsay,” to mean that it’s unreliable. Words that by being misspelt actually bring double meanings that make the statement (ironically) stronger.
Like “He defiantely gets back up after the big hit, every time.” I love “defiantely,” too.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I will never read you the same again :)
Sniglets, Snort, Kick the stall door! Damn this English is more than an Ass is required.
Ya, das ist Horseshit! to mix human speak :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And its not pronounced hear-say, either
:-P
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Sep 4, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John hear-say?
But what’s he got to do with this?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt be the first time NFP was wrong.
Its one place I usually dont like posting things from but it is what it is I guess.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 4, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure got me going!
I’m in the minority on Pollard, though. So I was primed to believe this.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFP is where Lombardi's speculations live, isn't it?
Think those guys at NFP just talk to one another and say things like, “How ’bout this? What if KC were to shop Pollard around before Saturday? Think? Am I crazy?” Then one of the other posters there can say, “We’ve heard that Pollard may be shopped around.”
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not much of a (Mike) Lombardi fan.
3 demerits to the report.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFP has actually been pretty accurate with the Chiefs
Lombardi had the TG to the Falcons talk long before anyone else. Even had the compensation right.
He reported the Cassel long-term extension months before anyone as $36 million guaranteed, which is effectively correct. It’s $28 million but $7.5 million roster bonus is due after year two, which he’ll almost certainly get.
He also reported the Chiefs were “in love” with Tyson Jackson before anyone else.
He’s a former AFC West personnel guy (Raiders and Broncos) so he’s got some friends around there.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
On the Cassel and Jackson calls. I can’t remember, but it seems like Lombardi whiffed on a couple others in the summer. Sorry I can’t back it up at the moment. Lombardi does have some insight into the inner workings with his years at the Raiders and one year with the Broncos. He strikes me as either having some axe to grind or searching for a way to make a living making comments at times.
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only whiff I remember
was when he reported the Cassel deal WAY before it was finalized. I think he drew a lot of flack by reporting it early. But as Joel said, he was pretty much right on with the contract deal
by Fourstrike89 on Sep 4, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I talked to him after he reported the Cassel deal and he said that the Chiefs would definitely wait a while to announce it since it was leaked.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember there being a few more whiffs during mock draft daze.
But I can’t seem to recall any specifics. So maybe it’s exactly what you’re sayin’. I DO know that I kinda lump Lombardi with Mariucci as a waste of my time on NFLN.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 demerits on the Mills demerits 'ment, above
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O line
Then it makes some sense to me. Who has a right tackle to spare? It may be purely rumor. But McGraw is playing well. Rams would make anyone look good — I know. But we’ve got five safeties if Morgan has become visible, and if we can get a starting RT, then pull the trigger.
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know nobody cares...
But my wife will kill somebody if this happens. She has loved BP since she saw the bonecrusher vidoe from Purdue…she even has the jersey.
Please keep him around Chiefs! It isn’t worth the resulting outsome at my house.
by 3GChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what it has to do with it
But Brad Biggs, the author of the NFP piece, is a Chicago writer and Brown’s a former Bear. So, at first glance, there’s a connection there.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe BIGGS is in a hurry to believe...
I never really understood all the hate about Brown. This team needs smart more than it needs exceptional athlete, so the older, smarter, prob’ly slower guy is a good “fit.”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For how long?
I think the injury factor with Brown is important to note. I hear what you’re saying and, to a degree, I agree with you but if we’re looking at long-term wouldn’t Pollard or Morgan be the choice here? Why not both, why do one of those two have to go?
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
That’s why I leave those calls to the guys who are seein’ these guys up close. Bein’ snake-bit early in your career might just be that, and the guy you think is injury-prone starts all year, and the rugged player you love blows out his achilles in week 2. And I wonder if he lost somethin’ that time he hyperflexed his right leg going over backwards in that forgettable game the announcers didn’t get to see…
I don’t think length-of-contract or the long term has anything to do with it. You can make a case on your eval of the players as players, but I really think the Chiefs are thinking short-term and football IQ, and football IQ is where I think Pollard is lacking. Just my opinion, mind.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that what Pioi clearly said last night.
We need the best 53 not necessarily the best 53 athletes.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown has looked totally done this pre-season. Would be a big mistake to let Pollard go. He will excel in this scheme, rather than the absurd Tampa 2.
by dablueguy on Sep 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it weren't for his hair
We wouldn’t have even known Brown was there in the preseason.
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Brown bare?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Spikey head
It was longer and wilder than this last night.
Not hair that hangs outside the helmet like Jackson and Mays, but just spikes out in all directions.
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is an experienced safety in a brand-new system.
And his football IQ and field mgmt resume is extensive. If you think he’s any good at all, physically, preseason might be more about keeping him healthy than seein’ what he’s got. If he’s been in practice, he’s been getting all the conditioning and limited contact. They have a VERY good idea of how fast he can play, and the only strike against him is his injury history, so it seems rational to limit his (and Zach Thomas’s) reps before it’s for real.
Thomas is another guy I’m watching closely. Everybody’s speculating that he’s done, and I think whether he were or not, he very likely would NOT be put in many high-risk situations before the games count.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were to waive Brown or Thomas? Wink!
Would anybody grab them without a signed contract by them?
so a Prenup for later this season maybe?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Nobody wanted Brown before we signed him, and I doubt the market’s improved much after a mediocre (at best) preseason.
I’m betting Thomas retires and is only sticking around now for an injury settlement.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In line with the facts, as usual, ya bastiche.
Hope you lose your bet.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He was obviously slowing down last season, he hasn’t played much this preseason and he’s got a world class scumbag agent (Drew Rosenhaus). I think Thomas will probably hang them up.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I follow you, Steve.
I just know I like to see smart football, and Brown and Thomas get it (or got it). Sometimes, Pollard, Morgan, McGraw don’t (or didn’t) If there’s gas in the tank, I feel better knowing they’re in the d-backfield.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are NE patriot type players like that LB from SD that signed in the 9th week
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't want
to loose the ability to make jokes about Bernard Pollard’s block parties.
but the fact is, we’re wonderfully deep at all secondary posts. I like pollard and pollard > morgan; Pollard = Brown on balance (ability Vs availability).
Id love to keep him but given our depth there if we can score someone who can pass block better than I can then It would probably be worthwhile
by SillyHatDay on Sep 4, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NFP also said earlier this week
That Detroit and Cleveland were looking for safety help so it sounds like the rumor we heard a few weeks ago about the Chiefs offering Morgan to the Lions for a fourth isn’t so crazy.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Detriot just traded for Ko Simpson
So… maybe it does have legs.
by 3GChief on Sep 4, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a suddenly great D. Morgan as the bait?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very devious. Very devious.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god I hope we can move this dude.
Pollard is a saftey that cant hit and cant cover. he has some flashes of a decent hit every now and then, but for every one good stop he makes he misses 2 or 3/.
We would be alot better with 2 cover safteys instead of one for coverage and one trying to lay people out.
To Pioli-
Dorsey came into camp out of shape, he has sucked so far this preseason-
SHOP HIM AROUND!!!
LOOK FOR A GOOD YOUNG RT FOR DORSEY!!!
DO IT NOW!!!
by dbowechiefs09 on Sep 4, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude are you clueless....
Pollard had almost 100 tackles, lol, how could you miss 2 or 3 for every 1 you get. How many would he have had if he was decent, 300. Dude is the best safety on the depth chart.
by dougritchey on Sep 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big hitters are good to have.
But yeah, you wanna be able to bring that big hitter up and have him actually play bump-and-run once in awhile. It’s something you see Polamalu do. I think you want safeties who can and do deliver big hits, but first of all, they need coverage skills, and those same skills make the safety more effective in space making tackles that Pollard can’t quite make.
I’m pretty lenient towards a Turk McBride being beaten in space by a WR/HB in space, because those guys are SUPPOSED to be able to beat a LB in space, but bein’ 1-on-1 against a good safety, with or without the ball, you know your safety’s gonna track the guy down, because he’s kept himself in position with regard to the situation on the field. Pollard just seems to forget he’s the safety, sometimes, and/or is simply misreading a lot of plays.
When he makes the read, Pollard has straight-line speed to get there and deliver a hit, but his reads and his change-of-direction don’t really look that good to me. I always thought it was because he was being “coached-around” and Gun wasn’t letting him just play the position, because he didn’t trust him. Extra wides means 1 or even all WRs were going to get cushion from a very frightened KC secondary.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hobson has got to be tempting.
I know our LB have produced much better then expected but this is a guy familliar with Clancy and is only two seasons removed from 100 tackles and had a pretty good preseason and is on the right side of 30.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 4, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
Hobson only played one game for the Cards last year. Apparently him and Clancy weren’t THAT familiar.
by 3GChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason and meetings he'll be familliar enough to come in and play.
Didnt mean best friends but better then bringing in someone unrelated off the street.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 4, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good rationale.
But it presupposes the Chiefs don’t already think they have something better. But he’s certainly a player the Chiefs know a lot about.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate Pollard. Very overrated.
Ship him out. Package him and Thigpen or that 2nd round pick for Boldin. Get a good RT. SOMETHING. I’m much more comfortable with Mike Brown starting, even with his injury history, than I am with Pollard starting another season. Ditto with Page. Let McGraw, Brown, and Morgan hold it down for all I care. Pollard & Page took for granted what was handed to them. Dance now, Bernie.
by HTrayne on Sep 4, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very bold.
Dunno if I’d go that far, but to my novice eye, it didn’t seem like Pollard ever took over games the way a safety should.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown could be to KC what Rodney Harrison was to NE
Keep in mind that Pioli likes having a veteran back there.
by HTrayne on Sep 4, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except...
Harrison had started at least 13 games in six of his previous six seasons before coming to the Patriots.
Brown’s starts over the last five seasons: 15, 1, 6, 12, 2
And that’s going to get better at age 31?
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Basically It
If Brown was putting up 13-14 games per season, I’d be okay with this, sort of. But he isn’t. There’s a reason the Bears dumped him even though he was basically the QB of their defense.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Younger talent they developed because of the injuries, perhaps.
But if there be truth to the Pollard trade rumors, I think it’d have more to do with growing confidence in McGraw and Morgan as ready-to-play. But yeah, I like Brown, and hope he has gas in the tank.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury-bitten,
but still has started in a lot of games, and is always good when he plays. I totally respect the facts-based argument, but frankly I actually feel pretty good that Brown seems to have held up thru a grueling camp, hasn’t been injured in preseason, and, in my twisted way, that Pollard’s being mentioned as trade-bait.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying
And that’s why I was completely fine with Brown in a reserve role. He could come in sparingly, while still providing the leadership aspect this regime seems to love so much. But, over 16 games, I just don’t see how Haley can count on him.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why a roster spot for Mentors now
if you have identified the talent in OTA’s and pre-season.
Sign Thomas and Brown as coaches.
We could always resign them as players if Injuries happen.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas maybe but Brown clearly wants to play...
… and if he is gonna coach somewhere it’s gonna be as an assistant at Nebraska. Go Big Red!!! Dude was an animal in college. Drifting off to the glory days……………
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting line of reasoning.
I need to just shut up until the final cuts. For all I know, there could be 3 new faces and all these guys be gone after tomorrow.
It’s not just mentoring I’m talking about. It’s quality minutes that win games, because the D is playing more like a team with these guys on the field. It’s hard to put into words, but when you see it happening, the logic is inescapable and all they’re doing are the obvious things to do in the situation.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why everyone isn't wanting Brown
They love Croyle and he has been injured the whole time he has been here. Some even think he can be a starter.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 4, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Pioli's swap 'em at any time philosophy
It’s like getting an extra draft day for speculation when we cut to 53. Fun. Although why are we all on a blog on a Friday night of a holiday weekend? hmm… better go. :)
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allergies (or swine flu??) are keeping me in all weekend!
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay. you have a much better excuse than me
I remember that now. Hope you’re feeling better soon!
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in with my sick daughter.
NO H1N1 over here.
by ravenhawk on Sep 4, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pork producers
Appreciate your flu name, raven :)
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does the H and N in H1N1 stand for anyway???
Seems like it shouldn’t be an arbitrary name(sorry for going offtopic)
by ravenhawk on Sep 4, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even joke about that!
At the school I’m teaching @ in Taiwan, we just had our first swine flu thing. If two kids get confirmed, we close down for a week. All the kiddies are running around, making out, trying to shut us down.
Damn kids, and their guns and knives…
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Sep 4, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Chiefs team may still be in total flux.
The o-line cuts are significant, to me, and from what we saw on the field .from the guys they KEPT, today, I won’t be at all surprised to see more new faces in place of Goff/Richardson/Smith/Ndukwe/Alleman/Niswanger.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do see what you're saying though
I just think the situations are too different. Good point, though, in the comparison to Harrison.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 4, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That rhymes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pollard is a very good player..
Honestly, What would he have had to done to be a good player. 120 tackles? He was 3rd in tackles for all safeties last year. Come on, you would really want to trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Thats doesnt make sense. Keep Jarrad Page who isnt better in coverage, and deal someone who had 15 more tackles. Maybe I should go along with this but the truth is Mike Brown did not play well this preseason. I do think Pollard needs to step it up in coverage, but he is only 24 people. You dont trade 24 year old safeties with his potential. Besides what if we need someone to take Rivers our next year.
by dougritchey on Sep 4, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid tackles stat. Showed durability and toughness.
And he might be a great fit somewhere else. I just think that his value ratchets down, with the front 7 bringing so much more stout than previous years. This is now a young, strong team, and what’s lacking is a bit of veteran finesse, and Pollard isn’t a finesse player. There are things the Chiefs just can’t do in coverage with him on the field, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you Mills, well said.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the real take home message from this rumor
Is that nobody’s job is safe, and that everyone has a price. If the deal is right, Pioli will make the move
by Fourstrike89 on Sep 4, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. And I'm an idiot for being here, now,
when there’s not much to say until final cuts are announced. And there might be another flurry or two or three after that.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Pioli would trade Haley if the deal was right
by KCCheeze on Sep 4, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Rec it SHD
Pleeeeze
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine that you are Right! Rec
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Needed a wreck.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well someone rec it then I want to see that in Green
Do I have to post how to do a Actions and then REC to say Hey I like that comment :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to leave the post and come back :)
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to leave :(
But if I must
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pollard best player on last year's team?
Who was it that made the argument around July or so that Pollard was our best player last year? Was it one of the AP commentors? Wasn’t Gretz, was it? Based on stats and lack of production from other people, that person at least made a plausable case. I’ts not what I believe, btw.
by sunny D on Sep 4, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw this... thought it was nuts.
Pretty sure it was Adam Best from Arrowhead Addict. Always an interesting read to put it one way.
by Chief Crazy on Sep 5, 2009 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would see nothing wrong with moving Pollard, if you can get a 3 for him. He’s everything that Haley hates in a player. He’s not instinctive, and he just tries to get the big hit, which looks great when it happens, and blows up in your face when you totally whiff. Pollards stock might not be any higher then it is right now, if you can get the 3, you move him, then put Brown in and groom Morgan to replace him. There’s more to football then just saying “dude, he led the team in tackles, so he must be good!”
by Topchief1 on Sep 4, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Faces I don't recognize.
Good football talkers. Talkin’ negative about Pollard, which not many have been doing thru the offseason doldrums.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant say
I will miss all the missed tackles
by blazenwitchiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
attutude
must not be great if he can’t get along with clancy
by blazenwitchiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but Pollard sucks
Watch the highlights of the seahawks game on nfl.com and you can see him completely whiff on 3 tackles. Its really sad. This guy has long been overrated by chiefs fans. It makes me sick. Please get ride of him. I’m completely serious
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Sep 4, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pollard won us at least 3 games THIS year
with his hit on Brady last year
by KCCheeze on Sep 4, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are awesome
and somewhat demented :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no charge for awesomeness or dementedness.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no Merit to your argument...
You say he sucks but everything you say has no merit. Missing a tackles isnt getting beat, Its when you go for the Tackles and the guy shakes you. Bring some merit please. I would say get rid of him if we had someone better in coverage but WE dont , Maybe Morgan but would you really rather have him starting. Mike Brown is 31 and done. 100 tackles>2 or 3 games from Mike Brown.
by dougritchey on Sep 4, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So if you had a string of pretty much freak injures, do you think you should not be given a chance?
Has it occured to you that maybe Mike has been working hard and looking decent in practice? Maybe he is limited in his preseason playing time because the staff has CONFIDENCE in him andwant to get a look at some of the youngsters. I don’t think this staff plays favorites at this point.
Maybe in practice Mike Brown > Bernard Pollard.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown has gotten plenty of playing time.
He just hasn’t been making plays. And there’s a difference between “a string of pretty much freak injuries” and turning 26 and not playing in 16 games in a season for the next 5 seasons.
And from every report I’ve read, Mike Brown has looked average at best in camp and practice.
by JayrodT on Sep 4, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that everyone is sleeping on this guy.
Haley and Co. probably know a few things we don’t, just guessing, probably why they make lots of money.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only If You Assume They're Infallible
And there isn’t a coach out there who’s infallible. And I don’t think Haley even comes close…especially considering the underwhelming coaching staff he’s assembled.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point well taken....
…and I appologize for the tone, this post is just getting me all stirred up. I’m kinda being a homer in my defense of Mike but I also think alot of people are WAY to devoted to Pollard. I like Bernard and I like how he plays, I just don’t think anyone is giving Mike Brown a chance. To me that is a mistake,
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
No apology necessary…you didn’t cross any lines. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Brown and Pollard should be on the 53
but if not Brown should be coaching the 53
either or and both
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is a good player
I think him and Pollard are pretty close (game wise) but Pollard isnt injury prone (knock on wood) and Brown is. Why would we trade a stud for a guy whos injury prone?
by Wrestler189s on Sep 4, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Older
It’s a young man’s game, and Brown’s not young anymore. And his injuries have aged him even faster.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt brown like 30 or 32?
how old is pollard?
by Wrestler189s on Sep 4, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
26
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you're Priest Holmes.
He always argued he was younger than his years, because of the beatings he didn’t take while he was rehabbing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even If You're Priest Holmes
Running backs are generally done at age 31, and that’s when Priest was done being an effective running back. Didn’t matter if he got rested…nobody beats father time, especially not if they’ve got the kind of injuries that sap speed (which Brown has had).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm Not Blind To Pollard's Faults
But Brown has done nothing this preseason (or in the last three seasons in the NFL) to convince me he’s a better bet than Pollard. That’s not to say he wasn’t an excellent player in his prime, he was and I’d take that guy over Pollard in a heartbeat…but he’s not that player anymore.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if Pollard leaves
And Brown is our starter…for 1 year..then thats another draft hole we have to fill. IMO we have too many holes to let go one of our best players.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 4, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown hasn't caught my eye, much.
I’ll look for him again in the last few.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at it this way....
….if we shipped out Pollard would we really miss him on the field? I think Brown and even Morgan, if he continues to show the promise of last night, we are doing alright. Without Bernard I really don’t think we skip too many beats, seriously. I also like the suggestion of picking up someone like Taylor Mayes in next years draft.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is going far higher in the draft than I want the Chiefs to draft next year
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta keep it realistic.... of course the Kool-Aid does taste mighty sweet.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayes is the #1 pick at FS in the predraft speculation.
I guess it is possible to grab him as a any non-playoff team.
although I would prefer a stud T or LB in that pick
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might as well start calling this the Kawika Mitchell Curse.
3 years running that we will have gotten rid of our leading tackler from the year before. Definitely the way to build a respectable defense.
by JayrodT on Sep 4, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That one smarted.
Kawika Mitchell does kinda sting.
If you enclose your sarcasm in < code > < / code > tags, it helps the hearing impaired:
Definitely the way to build a respectable defense
I love it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why all the panic.
Pollard is certainly not Ronnie Lott. I like him okay, but really, he is known as a liability in coverage. Good in run support. Makes him about average. I’m all for trades. Can’t think of many untouchables on this team right now. Deal away Scott!
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Sep 4, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He could be a good fit, somewhere,
maybe a team with great coverage corners that wants to run a bigger nickel and bring the wood against the run and against the QB versus the pass, or just spy on a dangerous RB, and either be in on the tackle or meet up with the RB as soon as he crosses the line and enters the pattern as a receiver. I think he could be very good in that role, especially if he just did the simplest thing and tried to hit the HB at the LOS every play, with or without the ball.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli is just pissed at Pollard
for ruining his chances at getting one last ring in NE last year before coming here. So now Pioli is trying to send Pollard to the Lions to make the rest of his NFL career fester in obscurity. Simple as that.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Sep 4, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many Soaps do you watch anyway?
J/K
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
General Hospital, Starring Brodie Croyle.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
As the World Turns, starring Todd Haley
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guiding Light, Starring Scott Pioli.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Biggest Loser, Starring Herm Edwards.....
…not a soap but still funny.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think Pollard is going to change anyone's team?
Put him on the Lions, in 2 years he is either hurt or traded. If it was the Ravens maybe I would give him a chance but I just don’t see him making an impact on any team….. except last years Chiefs team.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Do Think That We've Got No One To Replace Him
I don’t accept DaJuan Morgan has suddenly become a good player after one good preseason showing against the craptacular Rams. Their offense sucks and, again, preseason is meaningless. And Mike Brown cannot be relied on to stay healthy.
It’s not a matter of if he’s a star (he isn’t), it’s a matter of whether or not the Chiefs have talent to replace him in the lineup (they don’t).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who says?
I’m pretty sure that we can find a saftey on our roster who can make a tackle or two when the LBs have missed theirs. Wait we have LBs that will tackle this year. Your safety should not lead the teams in tackles. Mike Brown is perfectly capable and Morgan and McGraw can fill in in a pinch. Hell we were signing DBs off the street last year and we found a way to make it work….. kinda. I know one thing, the Chiefs need some drastic moves to turn this around and if that means Bernard gets shipped then so be it.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Who?
Mike Brown is perfectly capable
Can’t stay healthy.
Morgan and McGraw can fill in in a pinch
You mean the McGraw who’s not even in the conversation for a starting job and the Morgan who couldn’t get regular playing time on one of the worst defenses in the NFL? I don’t see it.
So who else you got?
Hell we were signing DBs off the street last year and we found a way to make it work
All four of our starters last season in the secondary were draft picks. Leggett was an undrafted free agent who’d just finished his college season. Not a “guy off the street”. So who out there “on the street” is better than Pollard? Let’s hear an actual name, other than a generalization.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is going to be better off the street but....
…is Mike Brown injured? Did I miss that? Because Pollard could pop a knee at anytime so could Page, Vrable, etc. The guy is healthy, give him a chance. Do I think we should trade Pollard? No. If someone is going to give up a high draft pick or maybe a really nice lineman or both, then I say listen to the deal. This OMG thier trading Pollard stuff is crazy! I don’t think he is going anywhere but if he did and we got excellent value I won’t lose sleep.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Far As I Know He's Healthy Enough To Play Now
But he’s not the player he used to be and he’s highly injury-prone (he’s missed over half of his games the last three years)…that’s a bad combination for a guy you want as a starter. Injuries can happen any time, sure, but they’re a lot less likely to happen to Pollard than to Brown.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might look at the last couple preseason games.
Could be I’m blind, but seems to me I saw a few more good things from McGraw and Morgan than I expected. And the things I noticed were the kinds of things that Pollard rarely seems to do (MAKE the divinig pick, KNOCK the ball loose with a perfectly timed hit, JUST on the legal side of pass interference (instead of too early or outright whiff)).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UC, the voice of reason...
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inviting flames, uh, I noticed McGraw making some good plays on defense...
Thinking back, I think it was McGraw’s hit that broke up an easy 3rd-down completion – I gave Morgan credit for that one in an earlier rant, this evening. Sorry…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good I thought is was just me...
….but McGraw has to my suprise rose to the occasion. He will never be the star or even the starter but that guy has looked pretty good, so much so that all the cut McGraw talk on here has died down.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Like Him On Special Teams
And as a reserve. But he’s never been good enough to take the job from Page or Pollard and I don’t see what’s changed about that.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Glory Days
Beckon eh UC :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springsteen's Awesome
Even if he is a commie. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 4, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I think I am too
I’m sure that Buck’O thinks that
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post is stirring the AP pot and it is pure speculation....
….when Adam Schefter reports this as going down then I’m gonna get wound up. AHHHH, I hate rumors!
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 4, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's an opportunity for all the closet Pollard angst to emerge.
I feel SO much better after this talk.
Even though I’m only joined by others questioning Pollard’s play after a rumor has baited them into jumping onto the anti-Pollard bandwagon.
+1 for the “Not ’til I hear it from Schefter…”
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brown is
not a starter and he will prove it this season if this happens you wait and see
by cainsbigonchiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the outside here...surprising because
on the surgace Pollard seems to have the mindset and work ethic Haley/Pioli are looking for. Pollard seemed to be the defensive team leader during training camp.
Like many have said,, we don’t know what we don’t know…but surprising froom this oustide perspective none the less.
by JBChiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the very first day of practice, almost, Haley said...
… Pollard was loud. He didn’t say anything about Pollard directing traffic or leading. Just loud.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's the thing about Brown people are forgetting.
He was a coach on the field for a SB-Caliber defense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has any of that left (and some think not),
this defense can be something pretty special, and a ton of fun for me to watch, after about 10 years of not likin’ what I was seein’.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, with this who has all had trade rumors associated with them this offseason?
-Thigpen (to Az)
-Morgan (to Det)
-Dorsey (to Atl)
-McBride (to anyone who will take him. More of a hope I’ve seen expressed than a rumor)
-Gonzalez (to Atl)
Lot of smoke. One BIG ASS FIRE with Tony. I think blogging may be the best and the worst thing to ever happen to sports. I like the “Matt Jones and Levi Jones are being signed as we speak” post from chiefsfan84 on August 31st.
Its great for speculation, but I’ll believe this when the ink is wet.
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The ink is wet
I will wait till the Ink is DRY :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't need to wait that long
It’ll show up on my phone, get sent as an email, be fanshot here 15 times and a carrier pigeon will kill itself trying to get in my window before Pioli finishes signing his name.
These days there isn’t much we don’t know. For instance, did you know that Haley had corn for dinner last night. Don’t ask how I know…
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It was Right next to the Three-Coil Steamer!
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and that 3 coil steamer
This may be the most offensive and aptly descriptive term I have ever heard. I am going to start referring to my manager at work as the TCS.
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, u guys.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you're TOTALLY missing, mushin, is the POINT of those kinds of rumors.
They don’t survive very long on a good blog. It’s what blogs are GOOD at. Another person sitting 500 miles away cryin’ bullshit within minutes. Signal-to-Noise ratio is pretty damn high, when it comes to the toplevel content, with anything meaty on #1 page, rumors appearing (and rapidly shot down if false) in the fanposts, and then, the REAL time-waster, when we just share our thoughts and opinions with one another.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I got the point
Just wanted to point it out for those who had drank too many beers on a Friday night and may be getting a bit emotional that this is all conjecture.
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 'n' all we're doin' is jawin'. Thx for keepin' the feet on the ground.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
horrible
Brown is long in the tooth. Keep him I think, or Chiefs will be sorry down the road. He was highly touted out of college and look at who has been teaching him the last couple of years.
by megers on Sep 4, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if we move him
we better get a decent right tackle in exchange!
"The receivers are an integral part of the passing game." - Hank Stram
by kcfansinceakid on Sep 4, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like it or not, Pollard is a trademark on this defense so far this year.
I have some friends who aren’t Chiefs fans who all know well who Bernard Pollard is. The guy who injured Tom Brady and the hardest hitting safety in the league. He gives identity to a lackluster defense. He isn’t incredible but he does change game plans a bit. Nobody wants to catch a pass across the middle running toward Pollard.
I look forward to watching Pollard and will be disappointed if he is dealt out in a misguided attempt to patch some other hole. This team is full of holes, lets not create them.
by Lucasjr5 on Sep 4, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
The NFL is all about IMAGE!!!!
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1 This is not the NBA
Players watch film. They know what they face. Just because the public feels the somebody is “hard hitting” isn’t going to intimidate a NFL player. The NFL may be about image, but it’s about the image the players have in their heads, not ESPN
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This what I think is going on.
In order to play 3-4 we need bigger LBs. However bigger LBs are not necessarily good in coverage. Thus, while we stop the run we need to make sure we have the most mobile safeties out there to cover for the lower mobility of LBs. This is where Morgan, Brown and McGraw come in. They are not as tough in stopping the run but they are all better in coverage than Pollard. And Pollarad is probably my second or third most liked player on the team. But, gentlemen business is business.
by ALR on Sep 4, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's OK if he's a thumper, but there's a level of quickness that's a priority.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh!
If they trade Pollard I’ll be pissed. He’s a stout safety and because he’s not necessarly elite, he’s not the most expensive player we have. He’s just entered his prime and he changes games. Trading him would be a terrible move.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I say TERRIBLE MOVE?!?!?!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objection noted.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks hmills
I figured I’d be left handing on that one
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw it.
Just put him in the OLB rotation :-P
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for bringing this post up UC
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Sep 4, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both sides of the ball, maybe?
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Sep 4, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN reports that KC is shopping Page along with Pollard
That crazy Bill Williamson and his stories
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice link, mushin.
I have the same opinion of San Diego, in my gut, but my mind keeps telling me their GM knows what he’s doing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we traded Pollard I wouldn't know who I was anymore
I’d be overwhelmed by feelings of mass confusion and emptiness
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
How could we possible shop our Team MVP and leading tackler.
by bfett81 on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're talking about a team that just traded their future HOF leading receiver
There are no sacred cows here, but lots of Gates BBQ
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone tell me why Pollard and Page are such fan favorites?
Is it because they shake their asses for you on TV? I think Page is decent but neither player has or ever will in my opinion win a game for us. I see lots of room for an upgrade
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that there are lots of room for upgrade, especially when it comes to wrapping up...but,
Where do you get those upgrades 9 days before you start the season? Do you truly believe that Brown and Morgan are an upgrade? (honest question)
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Herm
pimped them both from day one
They got a little taste of success early and we all went overboard.
by bfett81 on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Brown or Morgan a Upgrade
Not that I disagree but you should not make holes on your team just because you had a argument between player and coach.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was it
thats been gettin picks against the Raiders late in games?
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 4, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Page won two games for us...
Against the faid no less…
However I’m not opposed to trading Pollard if management feels its needed. Nobody remembers Lawyer Milloy? I do think its still pure speculation though
by Artimus Clyde on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just stupid
What the hell is this? Barnard Pollard is not a player that has contibuted to the mess in KC. In fact he has been one of the best player in the past 3 years that KC can count on.
I have agreed with every move that Haley and Poili have done to date but this one is one that I totally disagree with. This move is nothing more than stupid. Come on..swallow your ego Pendergast and Haley. You have enough holes in your team without making more.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally disagree, Pollard has contributed to the mess in KC
I don’t have a problem with questioning the HC/GM, god knows we went a long time around here without doing so (blatently stolen from Jon Yoon, thanks Jon), but Pollard has been a problem child. The only time he wraps up a tackle is when his arms go limp from the hit he just layed and they uncontrollably hug somebody.
Nobody on this team should feel safe. Nobody.
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Yes I agree..My mind just got lost watching Brown and Morgan falling down and never getting to the ball carrier..
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that's what we call defense around these parts.
At least that’s been the case for the last 2 years
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move him to OLB
I told my son that the Chiefs should have moved him to OLB. He always wants to play in the offensive backfield anyway. We then can learn if he can tackle or if it was Herm giving him kudos for trying. He can’t be worst than McBride, Studebaker, Beisel or Williams.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 4, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this story makes about as much sense as...
Thigpen being worth a 3rd round draft choice!
"The receivers are an integral part of the passing game." - Hank Stram
by kcfansinceakid on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
about as much sense
as teats on a boar.
by ChiefsDude on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to milk a boar once
It didn’t go well
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all i can figure
is that they think they can get by with what they have, they’re pissed off at pollard, and they’re trying to make room on the roster for someone else. Morgan, Savage, another OT from another team… who knows…
by ChiefsDude on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see earlier, they are shopping Page too according to Williamson
I don’t think it has anything to do with Pollard as much as it has to do with they want to get Brown and or Morgan on the field and its a numbers game. They are trying to get value before they are forced to cut someone. If they are really in love with Brown and Morgan, Page is most likely the odd man out.
by mushin on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I saw that. I’m not sure it makes a ton of sense, but they’re trying to find “the right guys”.
It could be a situation of bad attitudes not being acceptable. Something happened with Paige before the 3rd game. Does anybody know why he didn’t play and why he got bumped on the depth chart? Then Pollard starts acting up. I don’t think the two incidents are unrelated.
by ChiefsDude on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start a new post this one is getting difficult to navigate :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 4, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd round?
Thigpen is king of the 3rd string QBs. The Chiefs need to send Thigpen and a 3rd round draft choice to the team that will take this piece of crap off our roster.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 4, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for giving Pollard another year.
To be frank, I like the guy. He and Page have been solid. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. Let’s see how he fairs this season.
by SupremeChief on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian Dawkins went to Denver...
so I think so!
by ravenhawk on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing to note here is that Pioli has never been afraid to trade talent away, especially talent in the secondary.
by Justin Bopp on Sep 4, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But there's a reason this may become a nightmare scenario.
1) Trading Pollard and giving the job to a safety who has a lengthy injury record is risky and silly. Besides, I believe Pollard has played better than Mike Brown this preseason.
2) I realize DaJuan Morgan had a great game, but it was only one game. I say Pollard and Morgan have outplayed Mike Brown (we haven’t heard his name called much at all).
Behind Page and Pollard, what talent do we have? An injury-prone player in Mike Brown? An unproven player in Morgan? A special teamer in Jon McGraw? Page and Pollard have experience starting, and they have avoided the injury bug for the most part. They are a solid duo, not perfect, but well worth keeping on the roster.
by SupremeChief on Sep 4, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the possibility of
leaking this story to the Post only in hoping that it would serve as a wakeup call to the players mentioned?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Sep 4, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems likely
and of course, if there were any takers for a high enough price, Pioli would jump on it.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take
Pollard gets more credit then he deserves because of his size, work ethic, and attitude. Those things are all great but his actual play has not been that good. He’s not good in coverage and even on the plays where he doesn’t totally whif on a guy he makes the tackle 5 yards deeper then he should of because he was too aggresive and got out of position. I think if the guy played the exact same (same tackles made and missed, same coverage skills) but was 10 pounds lighter and quiet on the field people wouldn’t be so in love with him.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
by KCporkchop on Sep 4, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing
Pollard is like DJ… he has a world of potential but is a yo-yo player. He may or may not ever live up to his full potential. I mean seriously, Jarrad Page was a 7th rounder and he’s much more of a game changer than Pollard. Pollard is not the future. DaJuan Morgan, on the other hand, might be. Between Pollard, Page, Morgan, Brown, and McGraw, somebody has to go. McGraw, Brown, and Page are solid. Morgan is the future. Pollard is chopped liver.
by Vince D on Sep 4, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure hate to
Pollard is like DJ… he has a world of potential but is a yo-yo player
But I simply have to agree…
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Sep 4, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pioli knows what he's doing in trying to build this 3-4 defense
He doesn’t care how many people bought a Pollard or Page jersey. If he thinks Brown and DuJuan Morgan are better fits as starters, than Pollard and Page are trade bait. This isn’t Herm Edwards Tampa-2 zone safety D.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Sep 4, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pioli and Haley are infallable
is a dangerous stance in my view. Overall I like the wheeling and dealing, but we’ve lost enough of our best players already. If a move like this is made I’ll question it as a fan. If this is a wake-up call, I get it. If they do it, they better get some damn good compensation. Compensation that will immediately produce at a fairly high level.
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by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think he was saying they're infallible.
He’s just saying Pioli/Haley aren’t making their personnel decisions based on what we see and think. It’s what THEY see and think.
And I’m not an expert analyst or anything like that, but my impressions from watching and re-watching defensive series andd reflecting on them (i.e. re-writing history) have me kind of on the negative side for Pollard in terms of coverage, decision-making, and quickness/change-of-direction. He could be very good for a team that needs a straight-ahead kind of SS, who can also make a lot of tackles for you on special teams.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was saying that either
however, a lot of folks do. “In Pioli we trust” “that’s why Pioli’s the GM and I’m not” etc., etc.
With all of the holes on our roster, and Pollard and Page being as stable and productive as they’ve been for several years now, I’d say this would be a questionable move. I would certainly question it. We have problems that need to be addressed and this isn’t one of them. It’s tinkering and it’s not advisable.
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by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Haley for one is more than capable of making questionable decisions
n.b. HC + OC + QBC wasn’t very smart IMO
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by Buck'O on Sep 4, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think they're lookin' at everything the best they can.
One of Pioli’s big points early on was every season is a new season, even coming off a SB win, and there might be a guy who looked great the year before who just isn’t getting it done in the offseason. And for all I know, these rumors are nothing more than rumors. And looking for something in trade for Pollard makes sense to my eyes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ughhhhh...
That is so gay…lol
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by woodman212 on Sep 4, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone watch the games last year?
Pollard can HIT!!!!!
He was the most exciting player on the field when we were on defense!
Reminds me a lot of Steve Atwater. Headhunter!!!!!
I really hope he doesn’t get traded.
And I hope that this is not another mind game by Haley!
Too many more of these mind games and the players won’t trust him.
GO CHIEFS!
by mr_dizzy_dean on Sep 5, 2009 12:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh really they wont trust him?
weird that you know how the players think. I seem to remember D-Bowe stepping up to the challenge and performing big on the field after Haley payed a mind game on him.
by SayHeyWerd on Sep 5, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe is playing no differnently than last year.
He always blocked. He always made great catches (except for the drops).
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 5, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t you ever been on a team before? If the coach is trying to play mind games with the players and the players sense this, they might have a hard time telling when he serious and when he’s just trying to create a stir of some sort.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Haley and think he’s a great addition.
But these “mind games” are something different from other coaches I’ve observed.
by mr_dizzy_dean on Sep 5, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only mind game Haley's playing is speaking what he thinks.
If that fucks with people’s heads, that’s unfortunate. But I don’t think he does much except say what he sees.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the D.Bowe thing..That dude is a stud….He’ll perform regardless.
by mr_dizzy_dean on Sep 5, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about pollard to green bay for there starting center from the last 3 years..
He is a solid player but is stuck behind a new guy that the coaches in GB just love. That would be a fair trade i think. Then maybe a 5th or some thing for that one solid RT that is supposed to be being shopped right now. Cant remember his name at the moment but the first name starts with T.
by fixitquick79 on Sep 5, 2009 1:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is this?
Pollard has the ability to lock down our safety spot for a long time. A second would compensate but I doubt we get a second from anyone. If we trade Pollard for a RT that’s fine by me but if all we get is a draft pick I’ll be pissed.
On the other hand SS is an easy position to adjust to for corners so we may be looking at sliding Washington back there as a reserve or possibly a starter WHEN Mike Brown goes down
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Sep 5, 2009 1:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big news just dropped! Sources are reporting...
That there will be at least three anger dominated posts at Arrowheadpride on Saturday, September 5th.
Lets relax already, everyone is acting like Pioli is having his way with their mom or something. Its really not personal against anyone here and I doubt he’s trying to build a losing team. So let him do his thing and we’ll see how it plays out.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2009 3:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you know,what have you seen
because my Mom said she dont do that stuff anymore
by Bestofthewest on Sep 5, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not reading all 285 comments.. .but I'm going on record saying...
The rumor is BS… other than the fact that most of the Chiefs players are available for the right price.
I like Pollard a lot. Yes, he makes mistakes… but he makes plays too, and lots of them.
I think he stays.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TLDR
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by woodman212 on Sep 5, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto tldr all 285 posts
and i agree. pollard stays. he’s one of the best players on the team. It would be a mistake letting him go, instant downgrade to our defense…
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
by DaChefs on Sep 5, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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