Receivers, Safeties on the Chiefs Roster Bubble
There are roster battles across the board for the Kansas City Chiefs bubble players but I've highlighted two of the particularly interesting battles today.
(Photo via David Eulitt of the Kansas City Star)
First, is DaJuan Morgan and Mike Brown battling it out to backup Bernard Pollard. There are reasons for and against each player. I make the case that Brown will be retained by the coaching staff.
Second, is the slew of reserve wide receivers on this team. From Copper to Wright to Johnson to Lelie, there are no sure things. I don't make a case for any of these players, instead raise questions about each of them.
Safety: DaJuan Morgan vs. Mike Brown
Neither have made a huge impact on the field this season but, for leadership purposes, I see Mike Brown winning the backup safety battle. Bernard Pollard should be the starter, in my estimation, despite what might be going around.
Some rumors surfaced within the last couple of weeks that Morgan was the subject of a failed trade between the Chiefs and Lions. We're not sure of the accuracy of the rumor but it was definitely out there. If it is indeed true, then it's clear the Chiefs A) don't need him, B) don't want him or C) have someone else on the roster (Brown) they prefer.
Whatever the choice, the result is the same.
This is what tells me Brown will stick around: The Chiefs worked him out on June 3rd. 23 days and a full slate of OTAs later, they signed him. That means that they wanted to see what he had left in the tank, saw the competition already on the roster and went ahead and signed him. To me that says they believe he's a good fit with the Chiefs.
Both have been pinned as injury prone but, thus far in Chiefs camp, it's been Brown, not Morgan, who has stayed healthy.
Both players are due minimum contracts with Morgan signed through '10 and Brown just this year.
Reserve Wide Receivers
I think most of us can agree that Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley are making the team. Are there any arguments on this one?
I feel pretty safe saying that Bobby Engram will make the team even if he hasn't had much action in preseason. He's been in the league for 13 years so, assuming health, the Chiefs know what they've got with him meaning the preseason action isn't necessary.
I also feel safe about Quinten Lawrence who has been targeted more than any other wide receiver this preseason, which means he gets open (or the quarterbacks think he's open) and that's gotta be something the coaching staff recognizes. Two more pluses: He has been getting some time at returner and might be the fastest player on the team.
That leaves the following players battling it out: Terrance Copper, Ashley Lelie, Taurus Johnson and Rodney Wright.
At this point, it's down to a numbers game. For these four, I have some questions.
Copper has been with the first team, which shows he's on Haley's good side when it comes to showing effort (because that's how his depth chart is created...based on effort). But, will Haley keep someone on the team based on effort and not necessarily results in the preseason?
Lelie showed up late so he's a little behind. He's shown a little bit, especially last game and especially considering he was just signed a couple weeks ago. Does Haley keep Lelie based on what he could learn in this offense and what he could contribute?
Johnson appears to be out of the running if we base this off of what we've read in practice reports. To be honest, the only reason I remember Johnson's name is because he was the recipient of a Haley lashing in a recent NFL Network video. But the Chiefs did work him out prior to the draft, and signed him as a UDFA so there's something there that they like, or thought they liked. Does Haley give Johnson some more time to figure out if he likes what he thought he liked?
Wright is an interesting figure on the team. In the early goings his name was splattered across nearly every camp report out there. Christy Brusoe, a UWRF writer who covered the Chiefs, boldly claimed there's a spot on this team for Wright based on effort alone. We'll see. Does Haley keep a guy like Wright who appears to be competent at most things, yet not exceptional at anything?
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nice post
these are very interesting battles.
On Brown vs Morgan:
Brown could be a good signing, and brings leadership, etc. to the table. He’s talked about playing special teams, but I haven’t seen him doing much there…
Morgan is a big hitter, kinda like Pollard, IMO… he seemed to finally show up in the last game, and at least make some tackles…but it might be too little too late.
- I hope Morgan makes himself impossible to cut by making huge plays tonight… but, I won’t lose sleep if he’s gone.
The WR battle is somewhat wide open… but it’ll depend on a couple of other factors… how many WR they keep, and who contributes on special teams.
IMO, Bowe, Bradley and Lelie are locks, as is Lawrence. Engram is a probability.
So, the battle is Wright vs Copper vs Taurus… UNLESS a waiver wire guy comes in.
of those three, I would want Taurus… no question. I think Wright is too small and drops too many passes. Copper drops WAY too many passes as well.
Taurus has good hands and good upside, and would be a nice developmental/special teams guy.
Wright won’t contribute on ST, unless he returns kicks, and I think he fumbled that job away. Copper is supposed to be a special teams guy, and coaches favorite.
So, my vote is Taurus, but the coaches seem to love Copper. As long as he’s the #6 receiver he won’t see the field on offense very often, and will just play special teams… so that’s ok, I guess.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Nice Post, nice comment
First of all, just let me say I’m not predicting anything. Just throwin’ in factors one might consider…
S – Does KC need the better athlete or the better leader/mind? I’m leaning toward better mind. Pollard ‘n’ Page might still have some un-learnin’ to do, and I like knowin’ there’s a proven field general in Brown.
WR – I just have nothing to say about Copper. No production. Johnson almost silent, except for fighting to get open on busted 3rd down plays and making the catch. Once for the 1st, once well short of the 1st. I just see oodles of YAC potential over the middle for him, just not a lot of plays designed to do that, contrary to Haley’s pedigree. Rodney Wright? I dunno. He can be exciting, the way a Dante Hall can be exciting, but he clearly doesn’t own KR/PR, and he’s about as silent in regular offense as Hall was. You can use gimmicks to get him the ball, but otherwise it seems tough to do, and those gimmicks are self-limiting.
DL – I’m voting for Gilberry to make the cut.
LB – I’m voting for McBride to make the cut.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
DaJuan plays another game like the Seattle game though and it becomes an interesting race.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I want morgan.......
Over McGraw. I like mcgraw as much as the next guy……but lets face it we know what we are getting from him…and I really like what I saw from morgan last game.
yeah...
interestingly, Joel and I are thinking that the battle is NOT Morgan vs McGraw, but rather Morgan vs Brown for backup Strong Safety and McGraw vs Price for backup Free Safety.
Unless they really are confident that McGraw or Morgan can play either position… we may have been arguing about the wrong battle, if we’re talking McGraw vs Morgan
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
that's based on the depth chart, and who's at what position
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Right.......
But based on body type…and I may be wrong….I think Morgan could play free safety and be competitive. The spots aren’t interchangable, but its not a jump to say he could play the other position.
Who knows though, trying to figure out what haley and co are doing is like trying to do rubix cube behind your back only using one hand.
well said, well said
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I kinda think that's minor, from our seats in the nosebleed section.
I’m lookin’ at who seems to know what the hell he’s doin’, and McGraw showed a little somethin’ the other day, I thought. I’m just not convinced that Morgan has any idea what he’s lookin’ at.
OTOH, long as I’m always trying to say what others don’t, I think Haley wants to see Donald Washington step up and work his way into significant minutes. Along those lines, there’s an outside chance that Morgan MIGHT be handy to have around if the defense shifts to a more in-your-face press style, when Morgan, if he gets the mental part together, has potential to come up to the line and play press.
A big weakness of this KC defense, for YEARS, has been their invariant passivity against anything resembling an extra WR set or even just a TE in the slot. You want a free release at the line? Just go with 1-back sets, and the KC D will run scared all day long. Back in “the day,” spreading things out just meant fewer obstacles between defender and QB, and the Chiefs would come UP and SQUASH you.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Peter Principle Depth Chart?
So does Haley raise the questionables to the first team to see what they’ve got. If they don’t prosper, they’re cut? Kind of like getting called in on the carpet. Players next year will be hoping to avoid first team assignments in August.
Players looking at the bulletin board for the day…
“Yes! Third team. What about you, Mac?”
“No!!!!!! First team. I’m done!”
Honestly
Have we become unanimous that Darling and Copper were on the verge of being cut? Is Copper still on the verge of being cut? Now that Darling is on IR, he doesnt have to be cut, and likely wont.
Boone was cut.
Now McGraw is working with 1st team.
Does anybody see anything like what I’m seeing?
To me, it looks like Haley is giving certain guys a shot to work with 1st team to see what they have to offer. If they dont produce, and they are vets, whats the point in keeping them if they dont have much to offer? IMO, I’d rather have a young backup whos developing instead of a vet on the downside of his career.
Copper is an UDFA right? So hes not a vet..which is why I could see us keeping him..but I dont think we will. Darlings been in the league for some tiem and doesnt show alot of signs of getting better. Boones been in the league and past his prime too.
I think McGraw seeing time on 1st team is for evaluation. I think McGraw may be on the verge of being cut. Mike Brown is capable of playing both safety positions and could backup Page while Morgan backs up Pollard. BUT McGraw is a strong special teams contributer so that may be his saving grace.
Is the battle Brown vs Morgan? Not IMO. We were talking about Pollard and Brown being competition at one point so why would he be competeing against Morgan now?
Page, Pollard, Brown are locks. no matter what. The REAL camp battle at safety..IMO…is McGraw vs Morgan.
Copper is a vet
he’s been with a few other teams
and, on McGraw vs Morgan… see my post above
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Thanks..
I wasnt sure if Copper was a vet or not..I couldnt remember.
The only reason I disagree with that statement above is this..
McGraw is better than Price. End of story. He’s strong on special teams and held his own last year when he filled in at safety.
Brown is better than Morgan. At one point, people argued that Brown would compete with Pollard to start. So if at one point he was competing to be a starter, why is he competing just to make the team?
That gives us Page, Pollard, Morgan, McGraw and Brown. Brown is versatile. He can play both safety positions effectively. Does he contribute on ST? I dont know. McGraw is good for us because he’s been a good contributor on ST.
I dont have to be a coach to tell you that Price isnt in the competition. Hes a lock on PS if he clears waivers.
agreed
I wasn’t arguing that Price had a shot.
Only that it wouldn’t be McGraw taking Morgan’s spot on the 53… it’d be Brown.
McGraw is likely in, as long as we’re looking at FS and SS as 2 different positions
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
All things being equal, ST gives McGraw an edge.
But I don’t see this organization keeping a lesser contributor on D, just because he’s a STer; rather, I see the org. telling whoever DOES make the team that he WILL be playing ST. I hate hearing the “but he’s a great special teamer” line after McGraw blows a coverage on the regular D. I THINK he’s getting better, and I THINK his improvement has a lot to do with why he’s runnin’ with the #1s. IMO, S position is less dependent on supporting crew to determine if he’s doin’ his job. About all it changes, to MY mind, is danger to his well-being, if he has to sacrifice his body to mop up for others’ mistakes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I do agree about what Haley is doing
let Copper and McGraw have EVERY opportunity to earn their spots on the roster… knowing that they are likely not 1st string players.
At the same time, push the REAL 1st string guys to work harder by showing that they can be replaced, or bumped down the depth chart if they are outworked.
IF Copper and McGraw don’t show what the staff is looking for, they could really easily be cut.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I do agree
That McGraw could be cut, but not in favor of Ricky Price.
If McGraw is cut, its in favor of Morgan.
I don't think Price will make the roster. period.
But… if Morgan doesn’t make it either, it’s because of Brown, Not McGraw, IMO… based on the depth chart.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I hear you
I see what you are saying. Going by the depth chart..thats what would be implicated. But at the same time, we all know these depth charts have been BS.
We already know Page and Pollard are locked in. We know Brown is currently Pollards backup, McGraw is Page’s backup. Price is behind McGraw and Morgan behind Brown (is this right? Im going off sheer memory right now but I think thats it)
So Page, McGraw, Price, and Pollard, Brown, Morgan.
We know price isnt on the team. So mark him off.
McGraw is a vet. Hes 30 and only started 13 games his whole 7 year career. He’s always been good on ST which is how he made his mark and stayed on teams in the NFL, and was decent enough to fill in when he had to start/sub. On the other side, you have a vet (Brown) who can play both positions, was a leader in Chicago, but had injury issues. I think Brown’s veteran presence is much better compared to McGraws, AND hes versatile. So why keep 2 vets..on the downside of their career..when 1 of them wasnt really ever that good in the first place? IMO, the ONLY thing that keeps McGraw on the team is ST, because as we all know, Haley said thats the easiest way to win a position on the team and that is McGraw’s forte. But if another guy shows up and plays ST near, equal, or better than McGraw, i think hes gone.
Based on that logic, it wouldnt be outrageous to cut McGraw move Brown to backup Page, and have Morgan backup Pollard.
It's McGraw's performance in the regular D that will determine his future, IMO.
And I think he’s gotten the message, and looks a little less lost on D. I don’t want a great ST who makes me cringe every time my #1 S needs to grab pine.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
an abusive marriage
That’s what I feel like I am in- an abusive marriage. Things were going so well (vermeil’s offense) the honeymoon. Then as things settled and roaf and shields retire during training camps I started to see the Chiefs for who they really were. A badly drafted team full of vets that retired or were sent home injured (holmes, trent). God how I miss the honeymoon years. Now I look up and I don’t know who we are anymore. Who is this team I fell in love with 20 yrs ago? I’m not sure anymore. I read this site everyday-many times a day- and I love it. But fellas, we gotta be patient. I’ve been to arrowhead every year the last 3 yrs late in the season only to show up to a 2/3 full stadium. This scares me. We talk about who’s going to be cut this week but seriously,does it matter? All I can think about is next year’s draft and free agency period. It can’t come fast enough. I may be ranting on the wrong post but I couldn’t help it. Keep up the great work on this website. I look forward to the passion everyday!
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Sep 3, 2009 6:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ain't all just the bad drafts.
A lot of it is shoddy player development. And this goes WAY back.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
recent poll
I think I got depressed this morning when I saw a poll on espn: which team will have the worst offense in NFL- tampa bay bucs or kc chiefs? Seriously! Is it really that bad?
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Sep 3, 2009 6:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
false hope
A buddy called me yesterday in reagrds to trade possibility: leinert to broncos, marshall to cards and boldin to us for draft picks! Obviously trades like that don’t happen too often but it got my excited and now I’m getting depressed-back to reality. Somebody say something that will make me feel better about going 5-11 this year! Help!
David Janssen
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Sep 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
5-11 > 2-14
Thats about the only thing that can make anyone feel better..even if only slightly better…about a 5-11 record.
Its simple......
Look at the man heading the show, look at the man storming the sidelines. Its not Carl Peterson and its not Herm Edwards.
Need I say more?

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