Chiefs Coach Says He Didn't Give Up vs. Eagles
by Joel Thorman on Sep 28, 2009 6:32 PM CDT
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PrintThe criticism I heard from sports talk radio folks on the way home from work this afternoon surrounded the notion that Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley gave up in the second half of Sunday's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
The Chiefs had mustered three yards of rushing in the first half. Despite being down 17 and 20 points at times in the second half, the Chiefs continued to run the ball. Ultimately, the 3.5 yards per carry in the second half didn't affect the game.
"I would say that was not the case," Haley told reporters today when asked if he gave up in the second half. "We ran a fake punt, we ran an end-around; we had two other calls that we had to check out of. In no way was it a wave the white flag."
What Haley said next is open to interpretation depending on how you look at it:
"It was, in my gut and as the head coach that something had to be done to benefit this team. Not in that particular game but to benefit this team as we go forward, to establish our mindset and to lay it out there."
(Emphasis mine)
I'm not sure exactly what Haley's intentions were with that statement but a cynic might view it like this: The coach knew, down 17 points with an offense that has hardly generated anything in the first half, that the game was all but lost and he needed to work on some other aspects of the offense to see where they stood going forward.
On the one hand, I see the logic in it. An NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint. On the other hand, that's almost flat-out admitting that they were more focused on other aspects of the game besides winning. Am I right or am I wrong?
My personal opinion is that Haley will regret that statement (whether we're interpreting correctly or not) if this season goes in the toilet early. My personal opinion is also that the coaching staff doesn't care what the media says (and I think they've demonstrated that thus far).
Speaking of regrets, does Haley have any so far this season?
"No, there isn’t anything where I said, ‘that was probably stupid, Todd.’"
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Hey Joel
I’m pretty sure you are right. I’m so confused right now. LIke I said…either Haley is an absolute genius or he is an idiot. I can’t figure it out sometimes. On the one hand I don’t want a rush rush patch job like they did in Miami last season. I want us to build intelligently so it will last. Like in NE.
On the other hand, there were soooo many talented players out there that could have benefited us short term and long term.
I just honestly don’t have an answer anymore Joel. He is so confusing. I don’t know what to make of him.
I still believe in Pioli. I still want to believe in Haley and I think he deserves a chance. At least ti start of next season to see what he will do to fill in the gaps for us.
mad scientist?
Many things about the Pioli/Haley regime do not seem to make sense to us common folk.
It seems like there is a plan… we just can’t see it yet.
hope it works, whatever it is
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
if there IS a plan we'll be the last to know ...
Pioli runs One Arrowhead Drive in a fashion that reminds me, sadly, of Dick Cheney: absolutely no “news” unless it’s required by (league) rules, and then as little as possible, no questioning of policy allowed whatsoever, and that Ring Of Honor thing? well, forget it …
the more I learn of Pioli the less I like him … Haley seems to be learning on the job (finally) but the best I can say for Pioli is that he’s not Eric Mangini
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
If He Thinks Quitting At Halftime Down By 17 Is Acceptable
Then he’s an idiot. Period.
I can give an incompetent coach three years to try and turn it around. I won’t give a quitter one.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
He seems pretty confident that despite how it appeared yesterday
that they werent far off from being competitive. Theres obviously been issues with execution throughout the lineup but also theres no mistaking that he also agrees we don’t have as much talent as others.
Good shout out for Belcher too, he deserved it.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
You play to win the game
Ah, but which game?
The only one that counts is the big one in February every year.
Realistically we were never going to beat the Eagles, realistically we may not win many games this year. But what we do now lays the foundation for not just a Miami like blip of form but a long New England legacy of turning up to that game in February every year.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
should just point out
our own little blip of form that saw us back into the playoffs a couple of years ago and think everything was hunky dory. Look where that got us.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
Miami is a damn good team....anyone watch the Indy game?
That team would blow us out…not saying much but they are a solid team.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 28, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions
Indy played offense for 15 minutes and won
Miami are not a solid team.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
They also score 3 TD's in less than 45 seconds...
yes they are a solid team, you dont win the AFC East by being a shitty team.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Joel, you are 100% correct
Here’s the thing (in my pointy lil head) – I don’t they care about the game or even the season – I think everything is about assessment of players under as many different circumstances as possible and see what’s what and who’s who – bad as it sounds, I can actually see “logic” in MOST of what they’ve done this year if you accept it all as no more and no less than talent evaluation
maybe I’m way off base, but that’s how it looks to me – I think if they win yeah, they’ll be happy, if they lose, that’s fine too … as long as they can get in some good evaluations
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by upamtn on Sep 28, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
You can’t just pull a McDaniels and change every player on your team in one offseason and expect good things and then get a false sense of self when you’re 3-0. The wheels will fall off that donkeycart before the season is done.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree with this
There is no chance that we will legitimately compete for the playoffs this year, so in reality we are still in a preseason type mode of finding out who can play and really belongs here. Does it seem like maybe they should have figured that out already? Maybe…but until guys are under fire for real you can’t truly get the picture. Like Haley said…when the lights go up and the crowd is there some guys who practice well disappear and some who look ho-hum really step up. So yes, it is still evaluation time.
And honestly, as bad as we looked yesterday, I think we may be close to competing. To me a lot of yesterday looked like guys just trying too hard, thinking too hard, and not playing within what they need to do. Another honest statement…the Eagles may be right back on the Superbowl doorstep again this year if not in it…as will be the Ravens….as will be the Giants….and we are at least a year away from playing that type of team closely. It sucks that the schedule gave us a pile of powerhouses to start off with, but by the time we get some more teams closer to our level we might just be ready to really play. I mean come on now…did anyone really think when you looked at the schedule that we were going to come out and kick serious ass the first half of the season??? I’ve drank a lot of koolaid this summer but even I didn’t see that. So far my expectations have been met, I’m sad to say.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
I Think The Players Tried Hard Yesterday
But the coach intentionally eliminated all possibility of a comeback with his playcalling. That’s what we should have a problem with from yesterday…not the players’ efforts.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
We'll have to agree to disagree
You have had palpable dislike for Haley and his staff for quite some time but I do not. I’m not saying they are great but I’m a long way from casting a judgement yet. I think from the moment Carthon was hired you’ve been ready to fire the whole lot.
I’m also not ready to judge the playcalling just yet…too early since installing a new system and we aren’t privy to what calls are compared to what got audibled at the line. And yeah I know…we shouldn’t have dumped Chan.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
The Assistants, Yes
Haley no. Not until he gave me reason to think he was quitting at halftime of games at the start of the season.
And Pendergast’s hiring pissed me off too. He was a terrible DC in Arizona.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Cassel gets to call audibles???
Lamont, my heart … I think this is The Big One
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I think you're right zodeman
the smart thing to do is use this powerhouse schedule to determine who can play against the big boys. They have to get tape on these guys to plan intelligently for the future.
CNN = ABC = NBC = CBS = FOX = Chris Mortenson Journalism
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"use this powerhouse schedule to determine who can play against the big boys"
not a horrible idea, except … how can you get an accurate assessment of ability considering the (overall) lack of talent, protection, ad nauseum …
can you REALLY say Charles or Savage or this guy or that guy is “good or bad” when there’s basically ZERO on the right side of the OL? can you really assess Cassel or the WRs when he’s scrambling for his life on every single drop?
the “theory” is good, but in actual practice …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
you're arguing against evaluation itself
seems to me. sure, there are variables, and that makes it more difficult to have an accurate evaluation.
but there are patterns which make it easier. theory should reflect known patterns.
for instance: watching what Charles or Savage’s legs do in response to a poorly blocking line will tell you something about what they will do if the line blocks well – but point taken, not everthing.
My real point is that the coaching staff cannot possibly know who can play in this system, right now, without tape. Looks to me like the mentality is that everyone actually does have a shot at playing time, and everyone is getting the chance right now, during this stretch where anyone with a sensible outlook can see that there’s no reasonable expectation for a playoff berth.
CNN = ABC = NBC = CBS = FOX = Chris Mortenson Journalism
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you play to win the game.
hello? you play to win the game.
by Vince D on Sep 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
man, I hate hearing that quote!
:)
at least Haley didn’t say that!!!!
“it’s a process”
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
aw come on, Vince - these guys are PROFESSIONALS!
they play to get a paycheck, and fairly nice one at that …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
And The Fans Pay To Attend Those Games
And people spend money to advertise on those games. And fans buy their merchandise. And their overpriced concessions.
So when the Chiefs decide to let everyone into the games for free, then I’ll say it’s okay for them to quit at halftime. Otherwise, the problem isn’t the team…it’s the loser coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
and since we're on economics, let's not forget granny down the street ...
when players get the huge salaries, prices go up for everyone: games, parking, concessions, etc … and advertising costs as well, and that affects EVERYONE (not just sports fans) … when you see the price of a box of cereal go up, think about the player on that box of Wheaties, and the cost passed along to the consumers, even if said consumer is on a fixed income and hasn’t a clue what a football even looks like
so yeah, if they’re getting their half million or million or 4 million a year, the least they could do is expend maximum effort all of the time
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
The only time wins don't really matter
is when you’ve clinched home field through the playoffs, and even then, they still kinda do…
I think "give up"
is a strong word. I believe that Haley knew the game was finished, and basically used the rest of the game as practice. I realized this, and stated so, after the (I’m not sure what it’s called) direct snap to LJ where Cassel acted as if the ball went over his head. You don’t run that play when you’re down 20 if you think you have a chance to win. I believe Haley was looking to see how players dealt with the different plays. But don’t get me wrong, that was an embarrassing mess Sunday.
Seriously, we all saw the schedule
On top of that most realistically picked 4-6 wins.
Yes, they played very poorly.Yes, this is a front office and team still getting to know each other.It’s not like we got a GM and coach internally.
On top of that, the first rule of an offense is to pound the ball when all else fails.You go back to your running game.Sure, Haley did it to an extreme, but I’m sure if he could have run any play to increase their chance of success, he would have.
One of the telling parts of todays conference was his concern before the game when he mentioned that the team wasn’t mentally there.He felt there was something wrong.I’m thinking these guys came into this game the way our guys went into the Indy playoff game….they already lost the game in their minds and were just going through the motions.
Whose fault is that? Dunno, but I’d hire some shrinks to get these guys some confidence,because ther is NONE in that lockerroom.
Lastly,he acknowledged that his demeanor on the sidelines isn’t the best.He attributed it to a captain yelling at his crew…it doesn’t invoke leadership and isn’t positive.I’ll be curious to see how that pans out.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Haley didn’t give up per se. On the contrary, he used the remainder of the contest to set in place some things for the long haul. Thinking Strategically rather than tactically knowing that the short term game was out of reach but not wanting to waste an opportunity to continue setting a foundation for an identity. Ya Chief fans, we don’t want to hear it but sometimes things have to get worse before it gets better.
by chiefsfan62 on Sep 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Okay
“It was, in my gut and as the head coach that something had to be done to benefit this team. Not in that particular game but to benefit this team as we go forward, to establish our mindset and to lay it out there.”
Really? Seriously?
Fuck you, Haley…you’re not a good enough coach to give up on games for a “learning experience”. The fans didn’t pay to watch you quit in the third game of the season and we don’t tune in to watch extended training camp. The games on the NFL are competition, and if you don’t think you can get that team to compete, then quit because you’re no Parcells and you’re not even a Herm Edwards.
Tell you what…the Chiefs can refund all the fans’ season tickets, then you can quit on games.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
And Yes...
If he pulls this shit again this season, I’m starting the “Fire Todd Haley” bandwagon. This is beyond unacceptable. What a fucking loser.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
you may as well start it now
it’s clear you totally believe he is a quitter and gave up sunday. no sense delaying the inevitable. i personally don’t think he “gave up” but i also think it’s subjective and you’re entitled to your opinion. i just don’t see what he could do from this point forward that will keep you from starting that bandwagon so start it now. i’m sure plenty of people will join you
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
+1
Shit or get off the can already. All I see on all your posts is blablabla screw haley blablabla we suck blablabla why didnt we sign all these guys like its madden and you can get whoever you want blablabla the front office is ignoring the problems.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 28, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He Could Win A Game Against Someone He's Not Favored To Win Against
I’d consider that progress.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
just curious, since you personally don’t think he "gave up" .. what do YOU call ...
… the events from yesterday?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i think we got beat by a much, much better football team
in all phases of the game. offense, defense, special teams and coaching. i understand why people can think he gave up but i don’t believe for a second he was just “trying to get out alive” if that were the case, why not put in all of your back ups? if they had quit, why did they throw for a late td instead of just taking knees? i’m fine with being critical of calls, personnel, etc but i don’t believe anyone just quit. like i said, it’s subjective to what you want to believe i guess
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
If That Were The Case
i don’t believe for a second he was just "trying to get out alive" if that were the case, why not put in all of your back ups?
Then why not fling the ball downfield instead of trying to “establish the run” like they did when they’re down by that much. There’s no logic to it except trying to run out the clock and get the game over with. That’s giving up.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
that's true, it is subjective to what one wants to believe
what I can’t believe is that run run run run run up the middle when your team is behind by 3 scores is any kind of way to win a game – even Haley said he was trying to “teach a lesson” (without explaining what that lesson might be, leading to the speculation we have here) – so ok, he’s trying to teach a lesson, but ummmmmm … isn’t the idea to compete and win?
now, what I’m personally hoping is that Haley himself learns a lesson from all this – namely lighten up on the players, provide a more positive environment and some continuity – unless he can that, he has no chance to succeed, and neither does the team
I have no issues with them getting beat by a much, much better team … same thing happened @ Baltimore … I do have issues with “throwing in the towel” and hey, we’re gonna lose so let’s pretend it’s training camp all over again (and there too, he chucked out all the time and effort spent during OTAs and half of preseason when he fired Gailey and installed an entirely new playbook, system and terminology)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
And That's Really The Indictment
So many things he’s done to give us reason to believe he’s too immature and abrasive to be a head coach, so few to demonstrate to us that he’s actually building something better. Frankly, any of us could scream at players and get them to go 0-3.
But as you said…if we’re lucky and if Haley’s smart, he’ll learn from this and realize he’s got to change. Unfortunately comments like this don’t give me much hope of that.
Speaking of regrets, does Haley have any so far this season?
“No, there isn’t anything where I said, ‘that was probably stupid, Todd.’”
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
"Frankly, any of us could scream at players and get them to go 0-3"
wow, you mean even I could be a successful HC like Todd Haley? oh, man … where do I sign up?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Disclaimer : I hope I am wrong
But I think Haley’s already lost this team.
He seems to treat all his players like they are losers and they are responding by … …
losing
And He Quit...At Halftime...In The Third Game Of The Season
Maybe the team couldn’t come back from a 17 point deficit. Or maybe they could. But the point is that we were never going to find out, because the coach apparently quit on his team to make a “learning point”.
It’s gutless and it’s petty…and it’s got no place in the NFL. And he owes the fans a shitload more than that.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
I'm curious to know just precisely what it was that he wanted them to "learn"
… not to mention if it was so important, why didn’t he teach it to them in practice?
oh yeah, the whole playbook is new, now I remember …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
What happened to...
all you guys who said “I know it will take time to rebuild this team. We have to be patient because it is going to take time.”
3 games later you are blowing your tops. Take a deep breath and let this team get it together. No other team has a schedule like ours this year. That is just the way it goes.
The Colts run defense was terrible that night. They were completely fooled by the wildcat every time. Miami had no defense at all, which is why the Colts were not on the field very long.
I’ve got my eyes on 2011-12 playoffs. Until then I’m not buying all the crying and whining for Thigpen, Brodie, Chan, and (for Pete’s sake) Herm!
Girls love Chiefs football, too.
by Chiefs_Cat on Sep 28, 2009 11:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
oh there are still a LOT of guys who say that - ie, more time
and all of us knew that to begin with, but I don’t think “the schedule” is an excuse – not when one of the games is Oakland, and that at home, no less
Colts have the QB Of The Decade (literally) and not sure what that has to do with the Chiefs folding up the tent early yesterday
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
And Not When The Coach Gives Up At Halftime
If the Chiefs had fought to put points on the board and gotten killed by more, I’d think they were talentless but I’d respect the effort. There’s nothing to respect in a coach who just gives up, though, and intentionally takes all chances of winning that game out of his players’ hands with his playcalls.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
The way I interpret it
is he’s still in pre-season mode. He’s experimenting with schemes, play calling and his depth chart. He took a game that he was down big in and used it to practice the running game? I’m not a fan of that call!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
and the way I interpret it, the entire season is going to be the same way
that’s what strikes me about pretty much everything that’s gone on since Pioli took over, that this season is/will be player evaluation, rather like an extended training camp – and I’m almost convinced that evden Haley isn’t happy about it, but has little/no choice in some things himself (rumor is that Haley wanted to start Croyle vs Oakland but was outvoted by Pioli – just a rumor, but if true … )
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I believe the developmental process is the key here
According to previous comments by some contributors, we should have abandoned the run and tried to “compete”. What would that have done?
Already down by 2 TD’s, the opposing defense, who by the way is much more talented than our offense would have dominated the game even more. Our Oline is nonexistant and can’t pass protect. So now you would have our QB who is starting only his 2nd game with this team, with no blocking and without his #1 WR; start slinging the ball all over the field, with the opposing defense ready for it.
That’s how you end up like the Browns, 4 Int’s,, starter benched in favor of backup.
I would rather Cassel get comfortable with the playbook, and start SOME building blocks for the remainder of the season.
The Chiefs lost badly, but the team kept their composure, the offense threw for 2 TD’s without the #1 WR; and oh by the way ZERO INT’s. That’s something to build on. If the passing offense can contnue that production any team in the league would take that.
One piece at a time guys. The special teams is solid. The passing game is coming together, now its time for the run game to gel. Next on the list is probably the Defense. Remember, this team has tons of holes, this is not a patch job, its a total reconstruction; and based on what I’ve seen, it is working.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Sep 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions
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