Eagles Players Don't Know Why Chiefs Stopped Passing, Kept Running
A few Philadelphia Eagles players are asking the same question a few of us are this morning: Why did the Kansas City Chiefs continue to force the run in the second half when down by three scores?
"(RB Larry) Johnson is their workhorse," Eagles' Omar Gaither said. "Honestly, I was surprised a little bit. They run the ball a lot but they ran the ball much more than I thought they would with the score being what it was."
The Chiefs had three rushing yards headed into the second half. That, to me, is an indication that the running game isn't working. Combine that with the scoreboard at the time (down 17 points) and I still can't figure out why the Chiefs continued to force the run.
In 28 second half plays, the Chiefs ran 20 times for 71 yards. They passed eight times, completing seven of them for 40 yards.
More reactions from Todd Haley and Eagles players after the jump.
"I think to be the team that we want to be we are going to have to be able to run the ball even when they have too many up there," head coach Todd Haley explained. "We are trying to win the game, but at the same time we are trying to establish an identity around here. Three yards of rushing offense at halftime, to me, is unacceptable. It was not something that I thought at the time I could let go at the wayside with our offense."
Eagles safety Quintin Mikell explained why, in theory, teams don't want to rely solely on the pass.
"If you're back there, dropping back every play, and our front four know it's a pass, it's lights out," he said. "You don't want to get your quarterback injured."
Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Daily News (Thanks to stagsdp for the link) touches on a similar sentiment in light of the Chiefs rush heavy third quarter. "Carting Cassel off the field seemed inevitable if the Chiefs kept chucking it," Hayes wrote.
Haley declined to answer specifics about the game plan but did offer up this: The team is creating an identity and running the football will be part of that.
"Again, we are trying to establish an identity around here," Haley told reporters after the game. "You can call it conservative if you want. I think it had a purpose as far as myself and the team goes, and I will leave it at that."
Eagles defensive end Darren Howard takes it a step further saying he's never seen a second half game plan like that before.
"I don't know what the motive was behind that," said Howard. "I know they were down two of their receivers, who didn't dress this week. We knew they were going to come in and run the ball, but to that extent? We were kind of taken by surprise. I've never seen that before. We were up by that much going into the second half and they don't try to throw the ball downfield?"
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Todd Haley gave up....
Thats why….period.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Solomon Wilcots had the best question/observation..
“Why are they running it so much? Theres no suprise. They need to mix in some 3 step drops on first down. You get the feeling that Todd Haley is trying to save Matt Cassel from getting hurt this game.”
I don't want no Yo-Yos
Don't think that is a surprise to anyone.
It seemed obvious (to me at least) that Cassel’s health was the primary concern after the half. Probably a good plan the way it was going. No sense losing him in a game they had no chance of winning at that point.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Any team can win any game
just going into the 3rd quarter.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
No, that's just a clever saying. (Lions 0-16)
We weren’t in this game after one quarter. The Eagles did everything but take the Chief’s wives. Player for player, they owned them. There was no chance by half time.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
so we pay $60 million for a qb we can't protect
Bravo Pioli!
Pioli has done nothing but go after players he has strong connections to. Bob Gretz said it well in an article about how the Eagles current draft picks were better than our best players no matter the age.
We’re a bad team. Face it. The Pioli love circus needs to end on this site. Questions need to be asked. I get the feeling that with Pioli being hired so late into FA finding a coach and everything he never gave us a chance to compete in FA. The draft was using Carl’s scouts. You get the sense this season was kind of a waste. Its not entirely Pioli’s fault obviously, but this year feels like a waste to me. I wonder if Haley was just an interim for him as well. Next year does Pioli get serious? Cowher? Personally I hope not. I like Haley, but we got a LONG ways to go
I don't want no Yo-Yos
I like Haley but not a big fan of Pioli (so far)
Pioli never got much of a chance in FA dealing with Herm and hiring Haley and he complained about Carl’s scouts and not having his own. For me next year will be a VERY telling year in finding out what we got in Pioli. Not impressed this year/not completely angry
I don't want no Yo-Yos
We have been saying that forever...
there has not been anything done to protect the investment that is Cassell.
The world has turned
Last week I took heavy fire for lighting up Todd this week I feel like defending him. Discretion was the better part of valor, they can not protect in obvious passing situations. Haley decided not to end Cassel’s career. We have an awful team. If Haley can not implode he might make a coach.
Don't want to get blasted for mentioning his name...
But our old coach would have bailed on his typical conservative approach and gotten the QB killed. Possibly why he always ran through so many QBs…that, poor conditioning, and just plain bad luck.
Haley may have just been looking out for Cassel and I too would applaud that as good reasoning.
Get off Herm's Jock
Fact: he was one of the worst coaches in NFL history. This can be proven statistically. Frank, you need a new hobby besides gargling Herm’s balls everytime you get on arrowhead and post.
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 28, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this post might be offensive to some, but I hold it up with Pride.
ARROWHEAD PRIDE.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Just kinda wonder, how do establish your team with the run when it's obvious you can't run?
And maybe, just maybe, if Haley had called for some kind of very quick 3-step drop passes, and on occasion toss it 50 yeards just because … hell, I dunno, but I do know the team has NO identity at the moment, except looking very, very bad (with a few exceptions)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
you pay 60 mil for the QB
when you have a chance…he took it, it was smart based on recent contracts by rivers/manning…cassel looks great with a bit of time back there.
hes protecting the QB right now, our OL either holds, or gets beat….they made a mistake by not drafting o-line but I assume this offseason will be a lot of signings and change on the line
Or holds and gets beat like effing Rudy did all day!
That guy looked worse than Jordan Black
by readANDgold58 on Sep 28, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
its a mute point
regardless of if we came out running or throwing we couldnt get any running lanes or time to pass, the defense couldnt stop jackson, and we essentially lost the game in the first half.
Moot not mute
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel=Pennington
SportsMumboJumbo.com
The reason they probably stopped passing is because he had 14 completions for 90 yards!!! It may help you maange a game with such a high completion percentage, but that yards per completion will not win you many games.
Not a good argument since Haley was calling the plays and it looked like everyone one of those throws were called dumpoffs. Haley didn’t let Cassel throw the ball on any of the 3rd and 9+. We ran every time.
by theaxeeffect4721 on Sep 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you guys stopped to realize
that we actually moved the ball better in the second half? We had like 10 less pass yards but about 70 more rush yards. I’d say Haley did the right thing… we weren’t gonna win anyway.
I just don't understand
why Haley didn’t just put Cassel in the shotgun more often. Was it out of concern that Cassel would actually be getting errant passes off under pressure and look bad (thus creating a QB controversy)? That’s what NO did last week & they had a lot of success keeping the pressure off.
You would think that since NO beat the Eagles, that the Chiefs would game plan something similar? Right? That is what good coaches do, right?
by theaxeeffect4721 on Sep 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Because we have Colston, Meachem, Bush, D. Henderson and Brees right?
I’m agreeing I wasn’t a huge fan of the gameplan but I’ll stick with my idea that LJ needs to sit more in favor of Charles who can make a guy miss and that is what is needed with this offense…a guy that can “make” plays out of nothing.
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 28, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I agree that we don't have the weapons the Saints do
but I still did find it odd that we weren’t at least attempting it a bit more often. Even in obvious passing downs we had Cassel under center, which didn’t make sense to me. It DID almost feel like a preseason gameplan, where you are just experimenting with what you can do, rather than being concerned with the final score. I think it’s pretty clear that nothing we did would have led to a win…just an odd way to lose.
Brandon Albert
Has anyone else thought that Brandon has regressed this year? Penalties (and there have been plenty) and a couple sacks allowed not to mention the entire line’s inability to open running lanes… I don’t know about anyone else but I think he has been far worse this year than last. Looking more and more like Brandon Flowers was the class of that draft not Albert or Dorsey.
Not sure if he's regressed, or been exposed
blocking for the arrowspread was probably a lot easier than it is for this offense. Gotta give Gailey credit here for recognizing the situation & adapting last year.
I still think he’ll be a good player, but he’s going to need some time (along with Dorsey)
16 Games+ Is a Good Barometer
Notice we think EVERY player needs time? Notice with Oher, Clady, etc we dont hear such talk? I’m sure Albert can get better but just how much remains to be seen. I mean it’s not like he’s suddenly going to gain some mystical newfound strength. Perhaps playing at the lighter weight is forcing him to use better technique and it will improve but I wouldn’t expect him to be a Pro Bowl LT anytime soon.
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 28, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Jake Long needed time as well...
About 3 pre season games.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
he's gotten burned a lot in the first 3 games
So, no OT is perfect
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Alberts is fine.
He can’t pound Terrell Suggs or Dwight Freeny into submission, but like 26 or 27 other starting left tackles in the league, he gives up a few big plays. What they ask left tackles to do is next to impossible. Block a guy like Harrison or Trent Cole for 65 plays, not 61, not 64, but all 65 plays or he loses the “war”, so to speak.
If you can’t block their guys, you have to have your own d-line to tear their offense up.
Alberts may not be a real road grader but there is no way you can tell what his potential is when he’s playing on a line like that.
It was obvious...
We were trying to run time off the clock in the second half. Being game three of pre-season, this was good practice for when we start winning.
Saving the QB
If Haley truly wanted to save the QB why not put Thigpen in?He can scramble,is not prone to injury & is used to being bombarded on the field.By doing this you do 2 things,(1),you save face by not looking like you’re giving up, &(2) you give a guy an opportunity to play & see what he can do.Seems like the shotgun was the way to go yesterday.
John Soellner
Saving th QB--Yes
I agree. Why not use the guy that’s best in that situation——Thigpen. That’s exactly what I was hoping for during the game

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