Chiefs S Mike Brown: 'Just think if they had McNabb and Westbrook'
by Joel Thorman on Sep 27, 2009 8:02 PM CDT
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PrintWhen the Philadelphia Eagles posted a 34-14 victory against the Kansas City Chiefs this afternoon, they weren't even at full strength. In fact, they weren't even close.
Out for the Eagles included starting QB Donovan McNabb, starting RB Brian Westbrook and WR Kevin Curtis.
Bob Ford of the Philadelphia Inquirer said it best in a column appropriated titled 'The Chiefs simply had no chance':
Ford writes, "Not knowing exactly how the season will work out for the Eagles, how they will hold together despite injuries and some inexperience at important positions, all of that doesn't seem as terrible after you get a look at the Kansas City Chiefs.
"The Chiefs know exactly how this season is going to come out for them."
With the Eagles far from full strength, one Chiefs player knows that, even with a 20 point loss, things could have been worse.
"We prepared, but you can't simulate the way they do it," said strong safety Mike Brown. "They kicked our [butts] today. That's the bottom line. Just think if they had [Donovan] McNabb and [Brian] Westbrook. They've got some Pro Bowl players over there."
Pro Bowl talents indeed. Except...these players aren't actually Pro Bowlers. Backup QB Kevin Kolb had the third highest passing totals around the NFL today. DeSean Jackson would've had more receiving yards than anyone if not for a 178 yard day from Santana Moss.
With the traditional Pro Bowl talents out, the Eagles turned to the Wildcat on a handful of plays.
"A lot of teams are doing [the Wildcat] now," said Kansas City free safety Jon McGraw. "It comes down to who you've got running it, and today Philly had some guys that made it hard to stop. Is what they're doing the right overall strategy? I've got no clue, but it seems to be working pretty well right now."
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The sad thing is
the Eagles were simply tinkering around with the wildcat today which didn’t produce anything really and they still kicked our ass. Sigh.
Where are the guys that were arguing that the Chiefs had "as much talent as any team in the league"?
That argument is obviously b/s. The Eagles have so much more talent it’s embarrassing. And the didn’t have their 2 most talented players active for the game. Pioli has his work cut out for him. Good luck.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
in direct comparison to the Eagles
it is a shocking difference
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By all accounts they should....unless the unthinkable happens...
the “any given Sunday” scenario…which as Chiefs fans I fear we will be hoping for all season long. It’ll happen at some point…hopefully.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
it did against Denver last year
That game was a truly inspired performance by the Chiefs. We’ll win a few this year, but man, it sure hurts in the meantime.
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thats what Detroit said
Its gonna be a long season
by weller_t1 on Sep 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i know I never said that
Haley was hired late and a lot of the free agents worth picking up had already been signed. I’m simply providing a counter-argument here. Yeah, this (unfortunately) is a rebuild year – but anytime you have a new GM, HC and coaching staff coming off a horrible season like last year, it’s going to be. This is a year to analyze, predict and hope for the future. I think Pioli and Haley tried to do the best they could with what they had. However, could the have done better? Probably. But also, did they do awful? Not at all. Like I said: analyze, predict, and hope for the future.
gotta love that attitude
“can you imagine (how bad we would look) if they had mcnabb and westbrook”
ya but I didn’t have to “imagine” how god aweful you looked today without them
What is best for the team?
Seems to me that Pioli and Haley have an idea in their minds of what they want of a football team. Power it at you when they want to. Burn you with play action…But, this team just doen’t have the O-line to play that type of football. It looks like Haley has decided that even without the personel, he is going to force this type of offense.
Is it better in the long run to do this? Or is it better for the team to do some type of trick (pistol, wildcat, spread) offense, just to get a win?
if you want long term wins
you develop a system, and stick with it until your players learn it. Then they teach it to the rookies and new players etc. You don’t make up shit to just squeak out a win here or there. Maybe you do if you lose a key player for a few games or whatever, but thats not how you build a winning tradition.
by KCCheeze on Sep 27, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
RIGHT! you build a WINNING TRADITION by ...
… getting 22 guys off the street, or in this case the waiver wire
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
So, would you say that Miami-is worse off in the long run for using Wildcat
just to get wins last year. I find it hard to believe that is their long term system of the future. They just knew it was the only way they were going to score points last year with a weak line and 2 good RBs.
Uh 0-3 Miami
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
and 2 pretty good WRs and a decent QB...
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I would call Pennington a servicable QB at best.
I think they are starting the wrong guy down there IMO.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Pennington is a pretty good QB. I wouldn’t say hes one of the best…but he is decent. It shows how bad they are without him when they played SD. They had it neck and neck till he got hurt then it went downhill.
Who else would they start?
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
"Pretty good" is pretty much the standard definition of "serviceable."
I don’t want to get in a list war here, but would you rank him somewhere between 11 and 24 on the quarterbacks list? That’s serviceable.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
by Justin Bopp on Sep 28, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Henne is better than Pennington at this point.
Henne will be the starter next year. And with Pennington hurt, I think you will see who the better QB is, with him starting next week. That is, if they don’t give Pat White most of the snaps, just for Wildcat purposes.
For what it's worth
Last year the Cardinals were absolutely crushed by both the Eagles and Jets on the road last year, and we know where they ended up. I’m not saying we’re as good as the Cards were last year (we’re not), but we did play reasonably well in the last two games so I don’t think we’re near as bad as we looked today. I’m hopeful this will be the worst game of the year for KC….
It’s clear though that we don’t have depth at any position, so any significant injuries are going to result in gaping holes in the team. Also, any team with a decent pass rush and motivation is going to make us look really bad.
yeah
we lost to Baltimore and Philly on the road. Not that horrible. We lost a game at home we should have won by all accounts.
I think we are better than it seems, we just had a BAD game against a good team today. We are definately not going to the playoffs or anything but we aren’t gonna go 2-14 again
by KCCheeze on Sep 27, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you think we can pull wins out against?
After watching the game today, i think that the NFC East teams will all beat us. We might beat Oakland but honestly, i think Denver might pull out 2 wins and same with San Diego. I hope im wrong, but if they continue to play like they did today…then we are in a world of hurt.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i think
we have a shot at beating SD once, and denver once at home. We also have good chance to beat cleveland and washington.
Campbell tossed for 350 yds
He’ll look like drew brees vs us —-he has Santana Moss who will blow past us faster than Desean jackson did
But the Lions won....
and you cant forget….they are better than us now.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
also
What worries me most is the play of Albert at LT…he hasn’t looked good at all so far this season. I was hoping that the 1st pick this year could be used on a LB like Weatherspoon from Missouri or one of the two great safeties that are going to be in the draft…now I’m afraid the pick will need to be used on a Tackle.
I said early in the year. This was going to be the true test of how good Albert
really is. In last years Pistol offense he only had to protect for a short time, plus he had a scrambling QB. Look I’m not saying the guy sucks or anything. I just think it was a little premature for everyone to project him the LT of the future, based off the sytle of offense we ran last year.
i'm thinking we pick a LT next year and move him to G or RT
makes me wish we picked Clady instead
by KCCheeze on Sep 27, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said the same thing last week and got killed by everyone.
If you need major line help as we do and you are going to draft Oline. You always take LT. If that guy can’t beat out Albert…then fine, you move the new guy to RT. But, Albert could make the transition to RT or Guard better than any of our current Olinemen.
Assuming we cannot trade down from our top 5 pick (again)
Id love to draft a stud LT and more Albert to RT or even LG and getting rid of Waters or moving his back to C.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If Albert doesn't improve significantly
I think that’s a pretty good idea. I think Albert played LG in college so draft a stud LT, move Albert back to LG, maybe trade Waters or move him to RG & draft a C in the 2nd round. Having said that, I REALLY hope Albert develops well this year so the 1st rd pick can go to a LB or SS. I think the KC defense is pretty close to being one of the better units in the league, but they really need some legit talent at LB (and/or) SS for that to happen.
Meaning it is drafting for need rather than best player available?
This is very interesting as last week Bill Simmons (ESPN) wrote about how New England has dropped in performance and matches this with the change in the Patriots draft. During the great years they were taking the best player available. Sometimes they traded the player away, but because they DRAFTED the best player that player had value in trade (in other words someone else really wanted the guy but the Patriots had him so they had to pony up, thus good for the Patriots). Since 2005/2006 they started drafting based on need.
I am not saying Simmons is right. But I do think there are times where you just have to go out and covet the best player in the draft, regardless of need.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think when you are drafting in the top 5 or so
generally you can draft base on need, because the player you take will probably be the best player available in any case (or close enough to it that the need outweighs the relative talent level). It’s different when you are NE & you are picking #25-32 every year.
Any player KC takes in the 1st round is probably going to be a massive upgrade in talent over the incumbent (unless we took a QB/DL/CB, & that won’t happen).
Agreed...but he has regressed it would seem from last year...
He hasn’t looked like a dominate LT that can’t be argued.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Albert has been left on an island all year against the opponents best pash rusher.
The rest of the line is so bad he never gets any help from the back or the tight end. He will be fine.
Your LT is suppose to be left on an island against the best pass rusher.
If he needs help from RB or TE, then he is not performing up to standards.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The LT always goes against the best pass rushers...
And he’s been pushed around his share as the rest of the o-line has.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well the rest of the line act like great matadors themselves
most of the rush today came straight up the middle. I noticed today when Goff had A block that Solomon Wilcots was shocked and was like “Well Goff had a block…”
Once again. Nobody is saying the guy sucks.
People are just saying..If you can draft a pro-bowl LT. Albert may end up being a Pro-bowl RT or G. I would take that overall upgrade to the line in a heartbeat.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I know if Albert can move to another position that would be great
but I’m just not convinced he would be better
....then why the hell did Herm put him at LT?
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know that.
I thought LT was his starting position and he played some Guard. Well damn, If we draft a LT next year and move Albert to Guard that kills 2 holes with 1 draft.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Albert was a "workout wonder" at the Combine.
I’m leary about picks that shoot up the draft board at the combine. I’m not saying he’s a bad pick, but he was never projected to be a high 1st rounder before the combine.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yepp played LG in college.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly so we draft a LT worthy of the #1 pick
and move him to LG or RT…that way you improve 2 positions with 1 pick
LG?
Waters is better than Albert by far…
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How many years Waters have left on his contract?
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't move him to Center...I would rather Draft
one that way Waters could stay at his most powerful postion.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the line would look a lot better like this
- LT in draft, Waters, Drafted center, Albert, Ndukwe(or FA pickup)
it would.
But would Albert succeed at RG?
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think so. Since G is his natural position.
I think it would be easier to move him to RT and draft Guard in later rounds or FA guard.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Hunt should hire us...
we would get things done.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Our record certainly wouldn’t be any worse than Pioli’s and Haley’s is right now.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
Just because he is the best turd in a pile of crap
doesn’t mean you don’t look to upgrade his position and move him to a position RT or G, thus making the line better overall.
It will be a quicker improvement to the line if you draft a LT in the first, rather than a Guard or RT in the later rounds, hoping to find a starter.
OK, so draft a LT in the first and a Center in the Second.
I don’t think anyone here that is talking about moving Albert to RT or G, should we get a franchise LT is saying that Albert is the worst. It’s actually a complement to Albert, that he could be good at either position you move him to.
Thats why Haley wouldn't drop Cassell Back
The swiss cheese Oline would have landed him in the hospital
by Ren on Sep 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, don't worry...
Haley can coach his way to two victories with some schmucks off the street…
Everyone keeps saying that. Wasn't Witlock the only person thta reported that?
Is there any truth to that comment?
I've never heard anyone deny it...
I can see him saying it…and I can see him really regreting it after the year.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
As reported by Witlock right? Waters never has said that it happened nor has Haley?
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt put it past Haley to say that....but the way Waters acted towards Haley after
that situation…it kind of tells that something is up.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs play and act like PUSSIES!!
There are what they are. Bad team ..NO.!!. Terrible.team .NO!!…Pitiful team..NO!! Team full of Pussies than get pushed around…YES!!
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 27, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
Ever since Marty left...
the team has been screwed the coaches.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I was always a fan of Marty...
i was still kind of leaning towards Vermeil…but then after i have not liked any of the coaches.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
We went from not being able to win the big one...
to not being able to win one at all.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So bring Marty back
and get us back to the playoffs.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yea well they lost 800 lbs as a team!
oh wait who cares.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
I'm not forlorn
You can draft a good RT in the second round, I don’t care for rookie starting centers but they could go that route or free agency and Ndukwe, Colin Brown, Alleman could upgrade Goff at RG.
I just think if you could draft a future all-pro LT in the first, that Albert could become a
All-pro Guard or RT. I don’t think he will ever reach that level as a LT. To me, building a stud line is more important than grabing another position player in the first. But, then again I haven’t done much research on who the top projected players are for next year.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm wondering
who will go #1 in next years draft…and if we should draft him to trade or draft and keep
My only hope is Bradford comes back healthy
And a team like Seattle or 49ers or SOMEONE needs a good QB and will trade us for #1.
Or maybe Colt McCoy.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you think if Bradford comes back healthy, he'll be projected no 1?
You could hope that someone is willing to trade up for a QB
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Or trade out of Top 5 and get more picks....
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like more and more, nobody wants to move up to the top 5 spots
People don’t want to pay that kind of money unless you have a lock for a franchise QB. That’s why I think Bradford coming back healthy and looking good is our only hope to move out.
by vincent2668 on Sep 27, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Played that game last year remember.
It didn’t work then, and I’m sure things will not change that much even if there is no cap.
Well IF we do get 1st overall...
We gamble on Bradford and hope somebody wants him. If not, then we have a 63 million dollar man and another huge contract that is a backup…and have 5 QBs lol.
If nobody wants it, then we are stuck.
With the success of Flacco/Ryan/Sanchez
It is very likely a team will want Bradford or even McCoy (Good thing)
The problem there is 2 VERY good QB’s coming out, so why go #1, if you can go to #2 and pay him less? (Bad thing)
Of course this assumes Chiefs have the first overall draft pick which is rediculous to predict after week 3.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 27, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
If we are in Top 5, then the 2 QBs could get snagged up before us if we were, lets say, 4 or even 5. (because chances are that the teams with no qbs will be worse than us.)
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
My question would be about teams like Seattle and SF.
They will not be worse then us. Then the question is, are they willing to move up for a QB? Or are they willing to stick with Hill and Jackson? The only team without a qb that I see having a chance to finish worse than us this year is ST. Louis and maybe Cleveland. (I don’t see Cleveland ready to give up on Quinn just yet.) And to be honest, I don’t see how anyone can predict any team to be worse then us.
While we sit here and caulk up Cleveland as a win, you have to remember they are looking at their schedule and saying the same thing about KC.
I was embarassed by my team today,
Total failure. Giants fans were buying me shots in anticipation of next week’s game, I took them.
It would be funny if you took them...
and we beat the Giants. Lol.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My fantasy team has Eli and Mario Manningham
I don’t care if my opponent has Adrian Pederson, Peyton Manning and Barry Freaking Sanders, he’s dead next week!
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams that win games have two things -
an offensive line that can protect and open running lanes and a D that puts consistent pressure on the QB. The Chiefs have neither.
I wouldn't say teams that win games...
but more of teams that are good.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Look it every team
that wins consistently.. they have those two elements… plain and simple
Remember I'm talking win in general
Not win championships….
Win consistently… when you can do both, you’ll win more times than not. If you have one of the two, you likely can be competitive each week. Neither and you might as well pack it in.. that simple.
I'd say we're ripe for a shakeup on the coaching staff
who the hell do you bring in at this point though? we really got ourselves boxed in.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mid-season replacements
OC – Mike Shanahan
DC – Bill Cowher
Special teams coach – Tom Landry
D-Line Coach – Curley Lambeau
O-Line Coach – Vince freaking Lombardi.
And this team still loses 12 freaking games this year Coaching isn’t the problem…a lack of talent is!
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 28, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Lombardi Might Be A Stretch
Bit tough to correct technique from beyond the grave. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
How's our first round draft pick working out?
Any tackles today?
Curry is on his way to defensive rookie of the year.
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