Philadelphia Eagles Destroy the Kansas City Chiefs
Full stats are here. Chiefs lose 34 to 14.
I have only watched a tiny part of this game so analysis will come later today. You know, wedding/family stuff to take care of. Joel may have something coming up soon.
Ridiculous Matt threw out this conversation starter to me on IM - "Did Todd Haley give up on this game?"
I'll be re-watching this game soon. Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
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hell yeah
Haley gave up for 2 reasons our o-line sucks ass and LJ and Cassel both had no time to get anything goin.
give up?? Im not so
sure about giving up…but rather him not knowing what to do because nothing worked.
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
As best as anyone could give up...
… he gave up. Many 3rd and very longs with handoffs to LJ. Heck I swear they gave up on plenty of second and longs. Depressing game. I don’t care if Cassel threw 5 picks, would have like to at least just put in in the shotgun and let him go down field.
he didnt give up... he didnt want his qb to get killed since the protection was awful all day
by golfbard on Sep 27, 2009 4:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And so he gave up.
Totally understandable in this case. Used the rest of the game as a practice trying to establish some semblance of a running game while effectively keeping Cassel well & ready to fight on another day while running huge chunks off of the clock.
well..
Cassel played good… just didn’t have a chance.
OL was very bad… no excuses, just bad.
LJ didn’t have a chance
Charles played ok
penalties killed them AGAIN
playcalling went out the window when they got down big
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Penalties!
No excuses for that mess. A few might have been bad calls, but most were just pathetic performance.
10 penalties for 90 yards!!!
Oh…and 0 for 11 on 3rd down conversions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I won't me making any!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think anybody should make any moral victory comments lol
by Wrestler189s on Sep 27, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
you would really be reaching if you were making those comments today
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Bradley is player of the game...
Besides the penalty….He had positive passing and rushing yards. A TD catch and some good reception yards.
I called this one right...
The Chiefs played worse against the Eagles than they had for the Ravens. Minus Larry Johnson’s added 20 yards
+1 on Haley giving up on this game.
Football isnt about protecting your QB its about trying to win. You dont shut it down halfway through the 3rd quarter. I dont care if Cassel gets killed, he said that these guys will play hard and he didnt even let them do that.
Not sure how he’s aggressive and gets it right on one drive and doesnt go back to that the rest of the game.
Horrible coaching, Horrible execution and Horrible players.
Belcher the only Chief worthy of an arrowhead today and Haley and the refs should be running gassers for the crappy effort they put in today with the rest of the players.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
we got beat like a rented mule. simple as that
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I dont blame him if he did.
But I am also sure he has the balls to say it to the media if its so. Call the fucking players out in front of everybody!
Winning begins with Attitude - 2009 Chiefs 12-4
He needs to call himself out this week.
He was awful except one drive. The oline had no hope against 8 and 9 guys in the box all day and he didnt call anything to back them off.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Call the fucking players out in front of everybody!
When Herm did that it was called passing the buck.
There were a LOT of questionable play calls in todays game in my opinion. How many 3rd and 1s did we have with an empty backfield? Shouldn’t we at least give the threat of being able to run for one yard?
Offense, Defense, Coaching/Preparedness
they gave up before they got started – where do even START to pinpoint problems when the problems are, literally, everywhere – all week (many) APers were “predicting” a Chiefs win (no, I wasn’t one of them)
One thing I’ve said for the few weeks that I’ve on here is this: front office had ALL WINTER to get something done with the OL and didn’t do it
all in all, just sad … do NOT be shocked if they get off to an 0-7 start here
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I know it wouldn't matter anyway.
However I believe the refs called everything against us.
Hali was held at least 3 times – nothing. Albert holds once. They fucking see it.
BS.
They played bad. But refs had some to do with that as well.
by ALR on Sep 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
All defensive
Not one offensive penalty
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe so, but...
you’ve got to play well enough that some bad officiating can’t be the deciding factor in a game. We sucked in every category they have…and probably in some they don’t have.
by matriculatin' on Sep 27, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and the Chiefs have a GOOD QB...
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does it cost more to replace the glass on a TV
Or buy a new one?
*My opinions are subject to change.
I've been impressed with Haley's play calling
I didn’t know how a team could “protect” the o line with play calling as well as he has. Because when your O line can’t pass block or run block, how can you pick up yards. But Haley has a system using reverses, RB screens, WR screens, and by doing that trying to keep the D guessing. I think it will work if our team can stop with the stupid penalties.
I don’t think Haley gave up on this game until it was clearly over. Then he still used it to help the team get ready to win down the road.
I think the refs had alot to do with it... & I don't see us making any adjustments
IMHO
"The reason women don't play football is because eleven of them would never wear the same outfit in public."
~Phyllis Diller
by Cheiffanbymarriage on Sep 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions
The refs were as bad as our players and coaches...
But like Wilcotts said the Eagles are a winning team and the Chiefs are a losing team so they arent going to get the benefit of any call. No offensive penalties all day by the eagles? GIve me a break….
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley gave up on the team.
In my opinion that is exactly what he did. He gave up after the 1st quarter and just tried to run out the clock. That is terrible coaching in my book. What kind of message does that send?
Whether you agree with me or not, I think it’s a spineless cowardly thing to do. There is no other explanation for running it like he did the whole game when it was clearly not working. These guys are pro football players and coaches and they get paid a hefty amount of money to try to win.
And if he wasn’t giving up, that was some of the worst Hermesque play calling I have ever seen. It’s insanity to continue to do the same thing over and over and over with negative results.
Totally disagree
he tried to set up the run with the screens because if they can get the run going they have a chance to throw deeper passes. He didn’t give up, he’s working what i think was a very good system.
said in press conference
at the half we had something like 3 yrd running and he said that was unacceptable and he wants us to establish an identity so he just kept with it. when you start winging it all over the field and get yur QB killed when your down and still lose, everybody’s still gonna bitch
Exactly,
this team isn’t go to improve until they establish some sort of a running attack & the only way that is going to happen is to keep doing it until they get it right. Obviously practicing it during the week isn’t getting it done so they have to get the repetitions somewhere to become better at it!
lmao hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Couldn’t disagree more. Are you serious? LMAO
They are seriously fooling themselves if they think we can win with this o-line.
It’s like an effing patchwork quilt. Some of these players should only be temporary fixes…not NFL starters.
Draft/sign/trade for some real talent. Jeeze! I’m ready to see O’Cal…
by SupremeChief on Sep 27, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bradley proved today that it was idiotic to have him on the bench last week too.
Haley needs to line up Bowe, Bradley and Wade and start throwing the ball. Cassel is passing at 67% on the season so we need to take advantage of that.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What I did like.....
When Cassel actually had a chance to throw, he made some good throws and had a decent game with 2 TD’s.
I like Charles. What would be bad about a committee approach with Charles and Savage and just let LJ ride the pine?
+1
I have the same take. I thought that Charles looked good. LJ really looked slow most of the day. I think this line may do better with Charles and Savage. It’ll be interesting to see what happens if Kolby gets back. He is elligable to come back this season, right?
Don't quote me on this....
But I believe he is. He’s on the PUP and not IR so he should be able to come back.
eligible to return on/after week 6
i think we have 2-3 weeks at that point to activate him, he can’t practice w/ the team until he’s active, but can continue to rehab in “no man’s land” for those couple weeks if he’s not activated right away at week 6.
Can it be any worse?
Yeah and Branden Albert messing up too. Where’s the hope?
Even Colquitt sucked until late.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 27, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley doesn't strike me as that soft
unlike Herm he hasn’t seemed to fool himself about this team since he took over. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard him talk about having to find offense and winning ugly.
HAHA
He’s TALKING about finding offense and winning ugly. He hasn’t made it happen yet.
Herm did a lot of talking too.
As different as the personalities of Herm and Haley are, I cannot tell the difference on the field between Herms team and Haleys team. Maybe Haleys team gets more penalties….
Is there hope to be found?
Tell me what you have seen so far this season that is better than last?
Honestly. I’m not seeing it.
First
our special teams are much better. I don’t know that anyone can question that.
Second, it looks like we’re vastly improved at stopping the run. The D still isn’t where it needs to be, but it looks improved over last year to me. I’d be stunned if we end up ranked as low this year as last year.
Third, Cassel looks decent at QB. He’s executing the plays he’s been asked. He’s not been perfect, but no QB is. I think he looks like a keeper.
You are living in a dream world
Our defense is much improved? REALLY?
Going into today the Chiefs were the only team in the NFL that had given up a TD every time the opponent was in the end zone.
They had ZERO sack and ZERO QB hurries today. I don’t know if Kolb was even ever put on the ground. They gave up 420 yds of offense to the Eagles and over 500 to the Ravens.
And most importantly, have given up 34 points to both the Ravens and Eagles and collapsed against the Raiders.
I’m glad you are staying optimistic, but the reality is the Chiefs defense is no better than its offense.
You need to reread my comments
I didn’t say the D in general, I said the running D. Last year we couldn’t stop the run or pass. I think the D line is clearly better. There’s no doubt that the D still needs work, but some of that comes over the season. If we are still giving up that kind of yardage after the bye week I’ll agree with you. But based on what I’ve seen so far I would expect we’ll finish at worst 2 spots ahead of where we did last year. I see possibilities of finishing in the middle of the pack by the end of the year on D. That would be tremendous progress but is possible.
yanno, you're right
last year we had 4 lousy D-linemen
this year, with the new scheme, we only have 3
PROGRESS!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
why, thank you!
that said, it would be cool if you could learn to maybe “rread between the lines” a bit …
1) my comment was “sarcastic” and 100% tongue-in-cheek
2) I know it might be difficult for you to realize this, but not everyone
agrees on everything written by everyone else here – the point of
the whole thing is converstaion and sharing ideas
3) can we dispense with the “name calling” please?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
My apologies
I’m getting a little touchy about some of the negative posts. I’ve read so much negative stuff that your comment doesn’t look sarcastic.
no sweat
just realize the reason for so many negative comments is because were … well … pretty negative themselves today … never get upset at The Truth
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
the reason you can't see a marked difference is because it's essentially the same team
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Hey who wrote the big article this week
about not talking about Herm?
DJ, you need to just admit you want vindication for wanting to keep Herm another year.
And I’ll admit at this point it looks like no change outside of the quarterback emphasis.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 27, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not ready to dog on Haley because I understand
what he has to work with isn’t much at all. But if they don’t completely revamp this o-line this coming offseason, I will seriously begin to doubt their winning intentions.
by SupremeChief on Sep 27, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
When------
and how are we going to get a few more good players
At this time on the o-line
Time to move Ndukwe to RG and try O’Callaghan at RT. at least get a feel to what you’ve got.
by FrankPitts on Sep 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
and sign Langston Walker, at least he’s started at RT before
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 27, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Let’s look at alternatives at C as well. Allman or bring someone in. This performance actually managed to shock me it was so bad. Maybe I’m just a bit emotionally keyed up atm, and I won’t see it the same way tomorrow, but drastic measures should be given serious consideration. Chemistry is supposed to develop over time, this was regression on an epic scale.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 27, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Check this out...
So far in 3 games the Chiefs are….(drum roll please)….
2-10, 5-15, 0-11 = 7 for 36 on 3rd down conversions
I’m speechless….
I'm almost positive those stats would be improved once our o-line improves.
Which could take another year.
by SupremeChief on Sep 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The only knock I have on Pioli and Haley
is the kind of o line we’re using. I’m not sure why they didn’t bring in some Vrabel/Brown type guys on the o line. I have to admit that I’ve been puzzled by that all along. I though we would have grabbed at least two more guys off the waiver wire by now.
by Big Chief on Sep 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
they brought in goff
of course, he’s not as good as he used to be.
Yeah, but
I thought they’d grab some more guys off the waver wire already. I really can’t see where they’re going with the O line. I think I understand their strategies otherwise.
The o-line is
something that can be coached up through technique & knowing the actions that will be taken by your teammates on either side of you. You can’t just judge linemen by viewing film but by now, they have to admit that technique & chemistry isn’t going to fix our o-line’s problems & I look for a lot of moves this week. Either in adding a couple of players or shifting everyone around, but something has to be done!
Haley & the Chiefs are screwed with this offensive line.
Waters is done. Albert needs to put back on the weight or something. Goff & Ndukwe is terrible, and it’s obvious Niswanger can’t command this team and make the correct calls on blitzes.
On defense, we have no leader in the middle of the field. This offseason, we need to find a MLB or 2, and we need a playmaker deep. Page is not it. I like Mike Brown, but he’s not it either.
Here’s the simple truth: we had plenty of money to spend this offseason, and we didn’t. We could’ve had Bart Scott, Ray Lewis. Plenty of offensive lineman signed elsewhere, but none here. We didn’t give this team enough pieces to compete this year.
Lastly, LJ is DONE. If Charles isn’t the starter next week, I’ll start to doubt Haley. We need to go to a committee of Charles, Savage, and Battle. Bad blocking or not, he’s not running hard, he’s not showing any vision, and he’s expecting it to be as easy as it was 5 years ago. Let the young, hungry runners carry the load.
by HTrayne on Sep 27, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree. Everyone keeps talking about the right side of this line.
Waters and Albert are getting blown up as much as any other player on this line. I think this line is a big reason that Gailey is gone. I think Chan told Haley, Look we cant run the types of plays you want, because we will never be able to block for them. And I think Haley said, we are not going to change our scheme based on the talent.
Boy is it hard being a KC sports fan
I need to follow college more.
What do we have to be hopeful for this year? I guess that the D continues to improve, because we don’t have (or are unwilling to try) any sort of downfield threat, our line isn’t good enough to establish a running game without the threat of something deep, we don’t have any young receivers that will maybe improve our passing offense as time goes on…jeez. hopeless.
I guess maybe we can hope the team stops running LJ for 2 yards and an ankle tackle, and throws in savage/charles to try and weasel out more than a yard or two out of all these busted running plays.
Offensively, can we realistically hope for improvement? I think we can for the D, as they continue to learn a new system…
What do we have to be hopeful?
As of right now the number 1 draft pick since the Lions finally won.
The league
actually waits until the end of the season to make that determination. I think the Browns and Rams are looking worse.
If we would have picked up a solid Offensive Line Coach this offseason we might have seen some change.
Tim Krumerie sucks.
krumrie is DL
Muir is the OL coach, and is known to be a good one
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
They have been improved, but I wouldn't say the best part of this team.
The linebackers have been the most improved part of the Chiefs.
Disagree
I think you’re right that they’re better than last year, but the LBs in a 3-4 are supposed to be even bigger playmakers than in the 4-3. I think the safeties and LBs are the reason we have given up the yardage we have.
LBs and Safeties
Its hard to sit back and watch the LB’s and Safeties give up big pass plays every week…
I don't think I agree with that
our safeties were a problem last year, too. It’s just that they got some slack because of the lack of pass rush.
The LBs
are a serious problem.
There’s a reason why the TEs for BAL and PHI racked catchs / yards and TDs on us and that reason is we have LBs who can’t rush the passer and can’t cover.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
I don't know about the coverage side of thing
they shut down the TE last week. But the blitz, which you have to do in the 3-4 needs to get better. And the yardage today seemed to be more on the safeties. But the LBs still aren’t getting enough pressure on the QB, especially when they HAVE to.
LBs are a serious problem
I absolutely agree that the LBs are a serious problem. Although I would concede that as a group they have improved as run stoppers over last years corps – they are dreadful against the pass; particularly in coverage over the middle with said TEs. I attribute that mainly to the inside backers (and lack of over the top safety help).
by chiefsfan62 on Sep 27, 2009 10:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mainly it's the O-line
I’m not as forlorn as most because that can be fixed…or bettered
Bill Muir is a very good O-line coach btw, give him time
you can't make shit look good
spend some of that cash…i bet something changes when the blackouts start.
PIoli way
He builds inside out. Last season the first two picks were D-lineman I’m sure the O-line will be the focus next draft. And I know he knows they need at least one receiver.
I agree with starting with the D
but I thought we’d get more new faces on O line than we have. I know O lines take some time to gel and maybe as these guys continue to play they can improve, but I’m still suprised we haven’t picked up more guys from the final teams cuts.
I was there
Without hearing the announcers bias you get a feel for whats really going on in the game and quite a few defensive players were on the sidelines pretty much ignoring pendergast, he was talking to them and they were looking away, talking amongst theirselves, like he wasn’t there. I also thing that Haley gave up too, some of the play calls were just retarded. I think at one point down by 2 scores he ran the ball 3 plays in a row then punted. If that isn’t giving up I dont know what is
by RamX21 on Sep 27, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes...I was there too
It will be hard for me to shell out 500 dollars and take that kind of verbal abuse again until we start winning…
That was embarrasing
HAHA
Yeah, I thought I would be safer in the field box…not so
I left at the end of the third quarter when we decided it was better to fucking punt than go for it on 4th and 1
Haley didn't give up...LOL that is the funniest comment ever by people on this board
including Joel and Chris
I agree.
Sure what anyone wanted Haley to do? Pass? With 6 defenders getting to Cassel before the ball was, it wasn’t working out too well. Run? Oh yeah, LJ was seeing green before he got to the line. When you can’t block for 3 seconds, there isn’t much to open up the offense with. Handing it off and hoping the defenders fall down is about your best play.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
well if you don't believe that your players can overcome the opponent
then why did the chiefs even step onto the field? I believe they showed up to win a football game, amirite?
because then nobody would get paid and these guys ARE professionals!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

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