Position Breakdown week 3
It is so early in the year this will change a lot as the year goes along but I thought it would be interesting for me to see what the biggest needs are now...and then look back at the end of the year and see if it has changed. I mean Brodie went from a guy that NOBODY counted on this year to whispers of taking Cassels job. Things change fast.
I want to do this as I see it and please add to it or comment if you see it differently etc.
QB - 4 solid players and MUCH improved over the Quin Gray era. Cassel and Brodie are legit Starting QBs and Guitterez looks like he has upside. Thigpen looks horrible in this offense but has value as a situational guy to another team once all the QBs are healthy.
RB - 4 solid players again. All different types of backs but I liked what i saw from Battle and Savage. I think LJ has lost a step but still gets the job done and Charles will be special once the light goes on that the fumbles cannot happen. I think LJ is gone after this year so adding another big back would be helpful but this group could get it done. FB Mike Cox seems to be ok although i would like a player that catches more balls if they are not a devastating blocker which he does not appear to be.
WR - Very impressed by this group. They have been coached up and really we have not seen a lot of mental errors or drops. The talent is not there yet but Lawrence looks promising and Wade, Bowe, and Bradley look fine. Sure Dez Bryant would look great as a Chief but this group can get it done. I really like a guy like Golden Tate at ND as a slot WR and be a Wes Welker type player. This will be the Pats offense and Welker (not moss) makes that offense. A stud blocking TE should be a main target next year via FA or mid round pick. I am interested to see how O'Connell plays I think he has some skill.
OL - The one spot I can point to Pioli and say foul. There were a lot of names available (Jason Brown, Pace, even Hochstein who is starting for the Donks) and we just did not do enough and that is no excuse when you bring in the Franchise QB. Albert will be great (see the Ravens comments on his play) and Waters is great. They will look better when the rest of the line shapes up and they can focus on their responsibilities only. I would scrap the entire right side this off season. I think we can move Ndukwe to Guard and replace Goff and Niswanger in round 2 and 3. We need to draft 3 OL next year and I hope we go RT and C in round 2 and try to get the best center (O'Dowd USC) and be solid at that position for years.
DL - honestly the jury is still out for me on our front 3. I have seen good moments from all 3 players but not enough. This is a new scheme and I hope that they all come along and solidify that front for years. They all have the talent. One suggestion I have is to see how Dorsey can do at NT and see more Magee at DE but the coaches know more than me so lets see how it plays out.
LB - Mays had a great training camp and pre-season but I have just not seen him show up much in the regular season. Again, it is early but we need more from our MLB. Overall, the middle of our defense is soft. Both in coverage and the running game. DJ makes amazing plays but also gets stuck on blocks and misses assignments. Hali looks great so far and Vrabel is exactly as advertised. A solid MLB and pass rushing OLB with some burst are huge needs. If S Eric Berry is gone when we pick I would go with the best pass rusher available. We seems to lose a lot of games late in the 4th and that is how DT made the hall of fame....he was ALWAYS stepping on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter.
CB - no complaints at all from moving from cover 2 to man to man. Flowers is a stud. Carr can get beat but he is solid. Legget is not a starter but a good Nickel. Washington will end up being the steal of the draft in a few years he has all the skills to be very good in a year or two.
S - I like what Brown has brought with leadership and consistency but he has lost a step (see the Raiders winning TD whiff) Page will be fine for years. I am glad Pollard was cut. He just missed too many tackles and coverage. If Eric Berry is there in round 1 I draft him.
K - Succup has been amazing no complaints so far.
P - Colquitt see above.
KR and PR - we have done nothing. Really need a playmaker here.
Thoughts?
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Agree for the most part!
I think in the first round we should go either stud safety (Mays or Berry) and if neither is available, pick up a stud pass rushing OLB. If we do something like trade down in the first round, maybe use a lower 1st to get an OL and then go OL and MLB in the second round.
And cause I’m a huge Penn State fan…I say Navorro Bowman for OLB and Sean Lee for MLB. But…I know that’s just a dream :(
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Berry first, if he's gone then Sergio Kindle
and Croyle isnt a starting QB in the NFL. Maybe he could but right now he shows the tools of being a good back up QB
Agreed for the most part
Good post. While we are much improved on defense, I still think it will take into 2011 to compete for a playoff spot. Just too many holes. Either Herm and Carl left the fridge empty or Haley just does not like the players. Probable the former as only McBride received any quick interest and that was from Gunther.
I do believe that we a true second WR to complement Bowe. It is amazing the difference it makes when a team has two stud receivers. As receivers take two to three years to develop, I wouldn’t mind taking a risk on Braylon Edwards here. At RB, Larry is a hard one to predict. I believe that we gauranteed the rest of his contract by keeping him this year. I could see us holding onto him and picking up an RB in the 3rd or 4th round.
I would really like to see us firm up the right side of the line/center in rounds 2 and 3 next year. Maybe the best center in the draft with our early second, a LB either outside or middle with our second pick in the second, a guard or tackle in the third and either Mays or Berry in the first. I think, we need to wait on DL or pick someone up in FA.
Thanks for the good post.
Nice Saturday morning read with my coffee.
QB – Thigpen is likely much better than he looked the other day. Also, Thiggy in shotgun is equivalent to Wildcat, without changing anything. So we have our Wildcatter (and great guy to run the scout team before tomorrow’s game).
RB – I don’t think LJ has lost a step. He’s a good bellweather for the offense, because the other guys are fast ‘n’ quick enough to make something positive even when the O-Line is outmatched. But when LJ starts clicking, it will mean that the O-Line is fundamentally sound, at which point, he’s a guy who can BLUDGEON opponents into submission, breaking tackles, and, surprising to me, he’s looking better and better as a receiver.
WR – Good, but not great. Bobby Wade might signal the tipping point toward the unit being EFFECTIVE as a group. I think Bowe’s injury this week might be the result of a leg bruise sustained by that SICK play he made last week.
OL – “The one spot I can point to Pioli and say foul.” I have to agree, here, especially with more and more folks mentioning Jason Brown.
DL – I don’t see Dorsey as NT. I think he’s a penetrating 4-3 DT who’s athletic enough to play a convincing RDE/RDT in the hybrid they’re running. They’re just going to get better and better up front, and are already pretty good, even though it’s neither 4-3 nor 3-4. I think this personnel set and the way they’re starting to play off one another will pose some very difficult problems for offenses this season and beyond. It’s just hard to judge this group by normal 3-4/4-3 measures. I like what they’re doing, but long term, I think they’re going to morph toward a more traditional 3-4, with the addition of a true NT. OTOH, they may just like what they have and try to replicate this hybrid thing for a few years.
LB – I’m not sure the “back 7” have found their identity. I don’t think they’re soft up the middle against the run, but I think they’re still looking for a secondary that can play press more convincingly and free the ILBs to attack more. I’m the only one saying this about our corners, at this point, but I still see a cover-2 hangover that’s leaving the LBs in limbo, short term.
CB – “no complaints at all from moving from cover 2 to man to man.” See above. I think the development of Washington THIS season would be VERY beneficial to the LBs we’re dissing, at this stage.
S – “I like what Brown has brought with leadership and consistency but he has lost a step.” There was also an easy TD catch that was simply dropped by Brown’s man earlier in the game. The biggest plays Brown does make are the ones nobody seems to notice or remark upon, because by playing smart, he funnelled the play to others. That’s smart play at a level most can’t manage. But it’s hard to make the case that he won Pollard’s job because he’s better as a pure coverage guy.
K – “Succ(o)p has been amazing no complaints so far.”
P – “Colquitt see above.”
KR and PR – “(W)e have done nothing.” It’s not that nothing has been done. It’s that nothing decisive has been accomplished. Oh. Yeah. We have done nothing. I get it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I agree on the secondary
A little too cover-2 and it’s having an impact on the LB’s. Washington is a guy I have high hopes for in terms of transitioning to 3-4 and I’m hoping he sees more action soon. He’s the prototypical man-cover CB and if they develop him into a strong player, he’ll be a steal. I’m not completely knocking the secondary, for the personnel we have, they’re doing a pretty good job. I’m just saying it could/should be better.
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Same here. Just "too cover-2" in concept.
Maybe not in personnel, but that could be it. Some of the things I don’t like about the current D-scheme might be tied to the type of corners they have, and not be Clancy’s problem at all. So I want to see more and more #20, and see if there’s another evolution on D.
I kinda think it’s NOT Pendergast, and he’s given the DBs plenty of rope in single coverage, in spots, and every time he’s given them the rope, they’ve mostly hanged themselves. I think he WANTS to get more blitz going more often, but it hasn’t been paying off, and so we’ve seen more 4-man rush and LBs struggling in coverage…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
And some here will tell me
that Carr should’ve had deep safety help on that play where he was beaten for the late-game TD. To me, that’s Tampon-2 thinking, and we’re trying to break FREE of Tampon-2.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yup
Overall the D has had a hodge-podge feel to it thus far. The funny thing it that the personnel and scheme are actually fairly effective. My fear is that we’re effective to the extent that we get complacent in our effort to fully transition and we end up stuck in a rut (system) that will only ever take us so far during the next few years. Too early to tell, but that’s where I’m watching and it all starts with the C-2 style secondary. The current hybrid feels decidedly stop-gap and it should.
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That's why I try not to be hidebound about the DBs we all seem to love so much.
People love turnovers, but I hate seeing soft middle all day long. There was someone (I can’t remember, now) ranting about that a week or so ago, and the more I roll it over in my mind and flip back to game recordings, the more it looks like the stop-gap is secondary-related.
I remember all the love KC fans used to have for Mark McMillian (Remember Mighty Mouse?). And all I saw was a nickel back nobody was afraid to throw at all day long. He got his picks, but the Chiefs were also regularly riddled by up-the-middle passing game. Rather than going all-out for a great corner, we got Bartee and Wesley in the later rounds, and pinned our hopes on Donnie Edwards patrolling the middle like a safety – wrong way to go, imo.
I don’t want to be dissecting Corey Mays in pass coverage. I want to see him shooting the strongside A/B gap or sneaking around outside of Vrabel more, and only dropping into coverage as a change of pace, and capitalizing on poor passes thrown to his area by an unsuspecting QB. The front 7 are built to crush the run and blitz as the base D, and not strand their LBs in coverage 9 out of 10 defensive snaps. I’d be much more comfortable seeing the d-line tying people up and opening lanes for blitzers, than seeing mostly 3- and 4-man pass rush by guys who mostly are NOT built to finish plays in space.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah. I'm doing my best not to fall in love with anyone on this team
The more I think about all of the gaps on our roster, and the more weight I give to the argument for more appropriate (not necessarily better) personnel in the secondary, at LB’s, WR, O-line, TE… the more I’m convinced that this will be a multi-year rebuilding/transitioning process. I’m still hanging on to my 6-10 prediction for the year. That would show an acceptable level of improvement and puts us in an ideal position for drafting and FA next off-season.
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At this point, I'm optimistic that a lot of the gaps are going to be filled by guys already in-house.
Leggett, Washington… Mays is only going to get better. Belcher. Williams. I think Carr has all the tools, but still plays a lot like a cover-2 guy. Haven’t seen enough of Flowers this year. Great what little I’ve seen, but it’s hard to imagine him not needing help overtop. A lot of what we like about him is based on his being free to cheat and break on the underneath pass, relying on safety help behind him, in case he guesses wrong.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
The hybrid might seem hodge-podge up front, but it actually seems to work very well.
I can see wanting to migrate more towards press coverage, but they might be on to something with the way they’re scheming the D-Line, maybe even long-term. Dorsey and Tank are putting on a pretty good display in the current setup and it might be easier to find players to develop as their backups than to find dominant NT and traditional 3-4 RDE. I could live with this hybrid thing up front for years, if the back 7 guys keep improving behind them. But they still look one shutdown corner shy of the style of play that suits their d-line and LB corps, although DJ and Demorrio are probably a fit at WILB or WOLB in 3-4 or 4-3, respectively.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah but the blitz is so supressed
because something in the “shallows” (as TC explains it) just hasn’t clicked quite right. There’s promise overall, but something between the LB’s and secondary isn’t working. It just seems like that’s the one part they went out of their way NOT to change because it looked good last year. I’m sure one of the fellas could very well find some stats to prove me completely wrong, but it just looks like there’s a disconnect there. I works for what it’s worth but it does mean our LB’s are relied on in coverage just a bit to heavily. Not sure if it’s a personnel related issue or if it’s system.
I like the front and I like the flashes that we’ve seen from our LB. We’ve made big strides in those areas for sure and the up-side is huge. I can’t wait to watch the development of the entire D this year. I hope we find that chemistry.
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