Ranking the Chiefs Rookies
by Matt Conner on Sep 24, 2009 7:14 PM CDT
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An interesting weekly countdown is happening over at Scout.com where they rank the top NFL rookies on a weekly basis. So far, Jets QB Mark Sanchez, Seattle LB Aaron Curry and St. Louis Rams LB James Laurinaitis have taken the top spots on a regular basis and currently, the Chiefs lone entry is Tyson Jackson at #15 and "falling" based on one tackle in two games played.
So how do you guys think the Chiefs rookies deserve to be ranked compared to each other? Do you like what you've seen of both Ty Jackson and Alex Magee? What about Donald Washington in the defensive backfield? How does that fare against the leg of Ryan Succop? Has Quinten Lawrence wowed you with his speed?
We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments if you want to rank them, but below here's a poll to see who your choice is thus far.
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Succop
is the only one that really has done anything so far so my vote had to be for him
by tomahawk44 on Sep 24, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have high hopes for Jackson
but how could you not for DAS BOOT!!!!!!
The Good: Moved the ball some, stopped the run
The Bad: penalties and not getting a FG before halftime
The Ugly: losing to J. Russel who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from five yards away
by KCporkchop on Sep 24, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Succop has done everything asked of him.
I liked Lawrence on the end around against the raiders, so I hope he gets more opportunities.
by ktr17x on Sep 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Succup has been perfect
Jackson hasn’t done anything and Magee and Lawrence should never have been drafted by the Chiefs.
Succup in a landslide.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig. I usually like what you have to say but, you can't really be serious about that?
Care to explain??? I mean, I haven’t seen much of Lawrence but Jackson and Magee have both been very good for rooks.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'd rather have seen Pioli address the 3rd and 4th round drafts
DL and DB’s were the “deepest” positions predraft with glaring holes in the O-line.
Magee and Lawrence aren’t starting and we had an opportunity to draft starting Olinemen in those positions.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just my opinion, I guess
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
DL take a couple of years to adjust to the NFL… Most of the time a higher OL pick will be able to step in and do a respectable job. 3rd/4th round C/G usually play a role in year 1 or 2. So if Pioli is building for the next couple of years you need to get players in that need adjustment times… Yes we had depth there but it was far from quality depth or even 3-4 depth…
Just a thought. Also looking at the 2009 NFL draft I only see 1 OL drafted in rounds 3 and 4 that is an actual starter… Louis Vasquez/replace by another rookie. Most of them are 2nd on the depth chart.
by flyin_squirl on Sep 25, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donald Washington
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How so?
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have more hope for Washington than I've been impressed with him thus far
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by Buck'O on Sep 25, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like Succop...
I have a feeling that Lawerence will be a great player, if he is coached properly now and gets some play time. He has decent hands but boy is he fast. He can make the moves to get in space and take one home everytime. They need to work with him on punt/kickoff returns. If he learns to catch it and have awarness of what is coming to him, I believe he would be a beast. Then again Jackson will be a beast, just not immediately.
by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on all accounts
I’d like to see more of Lawrence… seems like they are bringing him along slowly, but Haley likes him a lot.
Jackson is already solid, and has the potential to be great. He’s not flashy, or exciting, but I bet the defense would be worse without him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jackson will end up being solid but he has a lot of work to do
I wouldn’t say he is already solid based on what i’ve seen.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking of this topic, thanks for the post!
I think jackson will be very good… no complaints there.
Succop is a good pick, and has been great. magee has shown signs of being a contributor.
But, I’m kinda surprised that those were the only 2 starters the Chiefs got this year!
Lawrence, Washington, Brown, OConnell and Williams are all developmental prospects that could turn out to be great down the road… but aren’t going to contribute much this year, or so it seems now…
I wold have thought that Pioli/Haley would have drafted guys that would be in a position to contribute from day one…
I am not sure if they “missed” on any of these picks, OR they were thinking long term with them… but it’s kinda odd
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You see. The fact that Herm picks started right away
does not mean they were good. Very few draft picks start right away.
by ALR on Sep 24, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long or short term
I think the first two picks where picks that were expected to contribute immediately. All the others I expect were considered developmental (which is obvious I think…just like you suggested).
It seems to me that the way to get ahead of everyone else is to get some gems in the later rounds. That takes good talent evaluation and confidence in yourself to spot those gems and develop them. I believe Pioli has that talent and I believe Haley has the personality to get everything he can out of those developmental players. I going to say that 2 of those 5 you listed will see a good amount of playing time sometime in the future. If they do, then Pioli had a great draft.
Bewsaf
by Bewsaf on Sep 25, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not 100% sold on succop, yet
but if he keeps it up,it will be very nice to not cringe everytime the kiker comes on the field, and not see the other team fielding kicks at the 15 everytime
Don’t get me wrong succop has done great, I’m just worried about some kind of mid-season meltdown or something
by midmochieffan on Sep 24, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin Brown
What a steal
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 24, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk about comparing apples and oranges.
by JComp11 on Sep 24, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Comparing rookies isn't apples to oranges
More like Red apples to green apples.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know about that. Takes quite a bit longer for a DL to really contribute compared to a RB or OL. Of course Jackson’s going to fall. He’s playing a position that rookies don’t traditionally have great numbers, even relative to other d linemen.
by JComp11 on Sep 24, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Succop has yet to F@#$ up.
I love seein’ those kicks land in the endzones. With our offense it’s all about field position and field goal range, and he’s good at both.
by PBrizzle118 on Sep 24, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and onside kicks!
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant vote for a kicker
he is supposed to make fied goals plus he was drafted so he is really expected to make field goals
by dgoddard on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its pretty cool that the last player taken in the draft has made such a big contribution though.
I voted for him because he’s provided the best value of all rookies
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can say that about any position
DEs should stop the run and get sacks, WRs should catch the ball and make plays, ect. So far Succop is the only one doing his job perfectly.
by tevans96 on Sep 24, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but.....
we haven’t had a kicker actually MAKE field goals, and who in the hell voted for Colin Brown?
by kcchiefskicka on Sep 24, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs top rookie should be.....
Aaron Curry, What do I know though Im not a “Genius” like Pioli. This will prove to be the worst pick ever. Not because Jackson wont be good, I beleive he will be Good, not rich seymour or even ty warren. Aaron Curry will be great, a pro bowler, I would much rather have Gillberry and Curry, Instead of Jackson and Mays, and I think Mays is a solid back up on any other team, starter on some. Pioli’s ego might hurt more then help, I think people shouldnt think he is above human. He already made 1 huge mistake. Even if Jackson is a solid 3-4 DE, This will still be a mistake.
by dougritchey on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get that statement at all.
If Pioli has a huge ego like you and Whitlock claim, then wouldn’t he take the flashy player, i.e. Curry? Instead, he took a trenches guy that nobody will pay attention to.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Sep 24, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Now....
But soon they will all pay attention, and be in fear of the mighty TJack coming for the Sack!
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Sep 24, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off the Curry Cock
In 2 games “AS A LB” he only has 8 tackles, 0 sacks and 1 TFL… WOW THOSE A BLOW UP STATS THERE!!! Oh and one game was vs. StL.
Just to compare… D.Williams has 11 tackles, 0 Sacks and 1 TFL…
If your front 3 or 4 cant stop the OL from getting to the second level then you LB will be crap… Hell even DJ had 17 tackles, 1 sack and FF in his first 2 games with KC!
Does that mean Curry wont be any good? NOPE! Its just showing that he has work to do!
by flyin_squirl on Sep 25, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Game Film vs. San Fran
Curry took himself right out of the play on Gore’s first long TD run. The FB didn’t even have to block him! Same thing on his second long run… Curry got himself too far inside and let himself get sealed by the OT… Those are two pretty BIG game changing plays!
by flyin_squirl on Sep 25, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard not to say Succop
The guy has literally been perfect this season.. I’ve said it before. KC produces the only two Mr. Irrelevants to go to the Pro Bowl
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Sep 24, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't
break down films like some of the guys on here, and I was wondering if maybe someone who did could maybe gimme their viewpoint on how Jackson and Magee are fairing?
by kcchiefskicka on Sep 24, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Curry was the obvious choice
sometimes GMs can get to cute trying to prove they have unique insights. Curry and Tatupu from Seattle are both guys we could have had. With Gilberry getting more time than Jackson, this crew’s first, first round pick is not off to a good start.
Of course, the Chiefs have a history of this sort of stuff. Page seems to be getting the most PT of anyone in his draft class, and he was a low pick (because they thought he was going to play baseball).
by HowSweetItIs on Sep 25, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gillberry isn't getting more time than Jackson
In that interview with Dorsey they confirmed that the front line of Dorsey, Tank, Jackson have been on the field together for 75% of the plays so far.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That percentage was taken from the Oakland game, where KC got a lot of 3-and-outs.
And I think I saw Gilberry in there 50% of the time, at least. It was something that kinda jumped out at me.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 25, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just question the facts in that article you're talking about.
I read it, too, and it struck me odd.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 25, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL who and why did anyone vote for Colin Brown???
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by AK_47 on Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OL in 2010
WOW this is going to be one of the worst classes to come out in a long time… I really only see 2 guys going in the top 15… Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Trent Williams (Oklahoma)… The rest of the guys are far behind these two!
by flyin_squirl on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wr
This might be a year where if you dont get those two guys KC goes with WR… Oh crap I cant believe I just typed that!!!
by flyin_squirl on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's a playmaking DB, I'm all for it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 25, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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