Raiders Admit: JaMarcus Russell Regressing As QB
Looks like even Al Davis' rose-colored glasses about his draft picks aren't going to save the worst starting QB in the NFL forever. Oakland's passing game coordinator basically said the guy sucks and Rich Gannon doesn't appear to see much hope of improvement as Russell is flawed at almost every level (and thinks he's too fat to get his mechanics right).
Hopefully he'll continue to regress enough for the Chiefs to pick up a win from them in their next meeting.
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Also has links to both of the articles this piece was based on over on their site. Interesting commentary too…a lot of Raiders fans are getting pretty sick of Russell being unable to do things that any NFL QB (by which I mean even third-stringers) should be able to do.
Hate to say it, but if they put in Gradkowski or Charlie Frye (both of whom suck) I think their team would be a hell of a lot better than with Russell. Oddly, they’ve quietly assembled a pretty talented team over there.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have lots of QB's
Lets trade Thigpen and a 4th for Nnamdi and Seymore.
Davis is just batshit crazy enough to go for it
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If We Traded Them Thigpen
He’d immediately be the best QB on Oakland’s roster…even with the broken ribs. So let’s not trade them Thigpen.
Send them Croyle.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why send Croyle...
then you would be sending them an even better QB… :)
by zbartmess on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because When Croyle Gets Hurt (As Is Inevitable)
They will be filled with even more hopelessness. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction: the fake broken ribs
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Sep 24, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russell is ridiculous
Having nothing to do with the rivalry, Russell is EASILY the worst QB I’ve ever seen play in the NFL.
I just cannot fathom how the Raiders can believe they are ever going to go anywhere with a QB throwing for less than 30% completion. I’ve never seen anything even close to that before.
by ChiefDJ on Sep 24, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rob Johnson is the worst QB I've ever seen play
Jamarcus is a close 2nd
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Johnson Was Not Good
But he still posted a career completion percentage 12 points above Russell’s and had more TDs than INTs. Johnson’s biggest problem was injuries (only one season where he played more than 12 games).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe injuries were a problem because he was sacked everytime he dropped back
I’ve never seen a QB with worse pocket awareness.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Leaf
is the absolute worst qb to ever accept a paycheck from an nfl team. definitely the worst starting qb
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Sep 24, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Russell Some Time
I think he might actually beat Leaf out. He’s certainly in the conversation for the biggest bust of all time already…we just tend to underrate that because it’s the Raiders.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
Casey Printers
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Sep 24, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Worse
He’s shown almost zero interest in improving every offseason. Yeah, yeah, Tollner talks about how Russell wants to get better, but this offseason Russell scheduled a minicamp for himself and his receivers and blew it off halfway through without bothering to tell the receivers. Then he showed up to camp overweight…again.
Why on earth would any team think that someone like that is going to be anything more than what he’s already shown?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more desperation
than actually thinking he’ll develop. They have pretty much mortgaged the future for this guy and he clearly is a waste. I sure in al’s more lucid moments he knows that this fat-ass is gonna kill his team, but what can he do now?
by midmochieffan on Sep 24, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Could Bench Him
And I don’t think it’s desperation…if it were, they wouldn’t have anointed Russell as the starter after the year he had in 2008 when they had Jeff Garcia in camp. I think Davis legitimately thinks Russell can play. That was one of his firing points when he and Kiffin had the spat…Davis said Kiffin was a bad coach because Kiffin didn’t think Russell would ever be a good pro QB.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
but I think maybe at this point Davis just can’t swallow his pride enough to admit he was wrong about Russell. I think it may take half the season or longer before they will consider benching him. Remember Davis is not the most sensible person
by midmochieffan on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Guy's A Loon
I think Warren Sapp said it best…Al Davis knows a lot about football, it’s just that he still thinks it’s the 1960s and 70s.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha..
might be the only time I agree with Sapp
Maybe Al should give Kenny Stabler a call
by midmochieffan on Sep 24, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noone has ever said those words before:
Warren Sapp said it best.
Borat speaks better english than Warren Sapp.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it funny you make fun of Warren Sapps eloquence
when you combined no and one to make a fictitious word of noone.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, your last post you used the word "kinda"
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a difference in using slang...
and misusing the space bar…
How Do i always get into meaningless bullshit with you… I swear its unintentional.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idon'tknowwhy
See, I have spacebardeficiencysyndrome
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
happenstothebestofus…
I meant to only point out the irony of it, not the correct use of Irony as opposed to Alanis Morissette’s bastardized definition of irony.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful there Yank
Alanis is on our $20 bill
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAH
Does that mean Bryan Adams is on the $100?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That dumb bitch Celin Dion is on the $50.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is...
Corey Haim on the Canadian Nickel?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep I read it on the Interwebs
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 25, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is great
they should get russell and vince young together, they could be the poster children for why there should be a rookie salary cap.
could throw crabtree in there too
by midmochieffan on Sep 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone said on here the other day that he’s going to be an elite QB when he settles down. Not joking.
by JComp11 on Sep 24, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’s not going to happen.
Heck, even Steve Young was throwing him under the bus in week 1. If you listened to his tone he was basically saying the guy was hopeless.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prove it - send me the link and user name
by Joel Thorman on Sep 25, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Did
It’s right above your comment. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing about this is...
How bad it makes Al Davis look for defending JaMarcus while ABSOLUTELY killing Lane Kiffen. I felt really bad for that guy, but was kinda glad to see him go. That guy will do great things.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Will Say This In Davis' Defense
Lane Kiffin, since he got to Tennessee, has shown himself to be something of an immature dick with a fondness for stretching the truth. So I could kind of see Davis’ point.
But Davis was still foolish to fire Kiffin.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
To go into the SEC and to immediately start saying shit about Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow was downright stupid especially when there was no way in hell the Vols have a chance to compete with Florida.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today on the Dan Patrick Show...
Kiffen said by going out and running his mouth he became the bad guy, and that its a lot easier to have 90,000 fans pissed off at him instead of them spewing hate at the players. He also said something along the lines to his team like “The world hates me, now all you have to do is go out and play”
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
If that was really his goal, then it worked. I was kind of surprised how dickish he became at Tennessee to be honest…the players he left in Oakland all said the guy was very professional in how he handled the job. So maybe it was a ploy.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how everyone saw Russel sucks...
and yet WE LOST TO HIM. what does that say about our team? Honestly?
by Bearson on Sep 24, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's called prevent defense
and it’s a risk we should not have taken. Pissed me off so bad!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 25, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want to know why so many backup players were on the field during the last raider drive.
Can anyone explain it to me??? Its been bugging me all week.
Why in the hell was Gilberry on the field when the game was on the line??? He wasn’t the only one either.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 25, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s called turnovers and penalties…
by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 25, 2009 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end we lost because of our prevent defense
, made russell look good, we let off the throttle. Prevent D = losing…
by PBrizzle118 on Sep 24, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love how you so bluntly state things UC
Made my day :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Just Call 'Em Like I See 'Em
And with Russell I see a fat disgrace at QB who makes me happy because he’s killing the Raiders franchise but pisses me off because he’s killing Darren McFadden’s value for my fantasy league team. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what u get...
for having a raider on ur team…thats my first rule of fantasy football: u dont touch raiders. i could never cheer for a raider and never will…not even in fantasy football. true raider hater 4 life.
by MountainManMike on Sep 25, 2009 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until This Year
I had a “No Raiders” rule in place. But I broke it for McFadden as a) the Raiders for the last couple of years have had a pretty solid ground game, b) McFadden had a good ypc average while playing, c) they were lining him up at times as a WR and he looks to get 20 touches a game, and d) he was the best I could get in trade for Marshawn Lynch, who I desperately wanted to dump after seeing how bad his offensive line was going to be (we’re in a league where we can keep five and he was my number 5 keeper behind Forte, Slaton, Fitzgerald and Megatron).
He’s actually been productive for me in that role, but not nearly as productive as he’d be with Gradkowski or Frye throwing to him. They can at least hit 50% of their throws. Fortunately I’ve also got Knowshon Moreno and Felix Jones and I just traded for Steve Smith (Panthers), so I’ve got options to replace him if Davis stays the course with Russell.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like...
its time to turn JR into a full back or put him on the line. just say, u want to show up looking like a lineman, then u can play there. let him get his ass handed to him and maybe after taking the beatings, it would be a wake up call for the guy to get his ass in gear.
by MountainManMike on Sep 25, 2009 2:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're being generous.
I thought he looks more like a tackling dummy to me, only possibly less mobile. I mean come on, after our weight loss period, he probably outweighs some of our linemen, and all the rest of the defense. Just freaking rediculous.
by Archyrr on Sep 25, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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