What this team needs.
by deflep1691 on Sep 24, 2009 1:52 PM CDT
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I've noticed that most dominant defenses in the league have something in common. A freak at Saftey. Whether it was the Eagles of past with Brian Dawkins, the Steelers with Troy Polomalu, or the Ravens with Ed Reed, all these stout defenses had a beast playing the saftey position. Dont get me wrong, i actually love having Jared Page, i think hes a good football player, i also think Mike Brown is a brilliant stop gap, but thats the problem, hes just a stop gap.
Many people say draft a Offensive Tackle, a Wide Reciever or a Defensive Tackle. I saywhen the time comes we need to get our Troy Polomalu or Ed Reed. here are twofreaks thatf it the bill.
#1 Taylor Mays USC 6-3, 230 LBS
Mays has a Linebackers build with a Corners speed. Rumors say he runs in the 4.2's. He reminds me alot of Troy Polomalu, turns out they also went to the same college. Mays runs hard, makes plas in the backfield, can break up passes, intercept the ball from time to time. and seems to play with recklss abandon, but in this case its good. Minus the hair this guy is as close to Polamalu as i can find.
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#2 Eric Berry Tennesee 5'11 203 Lbs
wit 4.4 speed this guy can also book it. As a sophmore last year Berry picked 7 balls of and he is a big time player. he can hit hard and has a knack for finding the ball. Some reviews label him as a "clone" of Ed Reed. His big play ability can helps a defense tremendously.
So i beieve both these guys have potential to be the next two big Safteys in the League. They both will proboly be drafted in the top 10 which lucky for us( or unlucky) is where we may very well hold a pick. Just thought i'd share some ideas on what seems to be a slow day for news. and YES i do relize its too early to think about the draft, but what can i say boredom combined with an 0-2 record will do this to a guy.
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I’ve noticed that most dominant defenses in the league have something in common. A freak at Saftey.
I agree, to be a great defense you need to be a complete team. It is not a coincidence that the last two teams the chiefs have played have thrown the ball down the middle of the field where our backers and safetys patrol.
Many people say draft a Offensive Tackle, a Wide Reciever or a Defensive Tackle. I saywhen the time comes we need to get our Troy Polomalu or Ed Reed.
I probably do not agree here. Yes I agree we eventually need an upgrade at both safety positions, however, I don’t think we need to develop this area before the offensive and defensive lines are complete. Everyone knows we desperately need offensive lineman and we actually need a true RDE so we will not be handicapped on the pass rush because Dorsey is playing there (Dorsey is doing well against the run, he is just not a pass rushing end).
I actually believe Pioli will address the offensive and defensive lines in the first two rounds of the draft, again.
Bewsaf
RDE
I totally disagree with you on that one.
the DE in a 3-4 defense are not really required to be dominant pass rushers… their job is to set the edge, keep containment, stop the run, take up blockers, etc.
Dorsey is doing his job, and doing it pretty well. The LB should provide the pass rush, primarily… so I could see the Chiefs needing more help at LB next year, but not at DE.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Agreed
Dorsey is set. He’s looked stout thus far this year. Leave it alone. I’d love to see O-line and LB addressed of course but if we have a shot at T. Mays I’d be one happy Chiefs fan.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Agree, with all 3 of you guys.
I’d take Mays in less than a minute. In fact, I was just thinking this same thing while NFLN blathered on Total Access about the matchup problems presented by today’s TEs (Tony G, in particular). Bigger than a S and faster than a LB. The obvious answer is a S who can play big ‘n’ tall. Mays could (potentially) make the entire defensive task simpler just by taking away the best receiver, whoever it is. The new prototype DB.
But I spin it a little differently than deflep. 2 of the 3 defenses he names in this context have dominant D-Lines, and the 3rd is pretty good, and comes from the Jimmy Johnson (Philly) school of press coverage on the edge. I think the key is press coverage on the edge, with corners who don’t just hand off their guy to someone in the middle every down. The safeties we love the best are the ones who are able to free-wheel, because they’re in a good scheme and have a solid team around them. Ed Reed can get looked-off by Brodie Croyle. He’s good, but he’s just a human…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Well played
It’s logic like this that most likely compelled Pioli to draft the way he did. His only claim is that this will be a process and that he’s building foundation. Next year looks a bit more wide open in terms of a top flight S or LB. As the season wears on, the needs will become more obvious.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Let me put it this way:
(and thanks)
I’d rather have great individual play from the perimeter players, and get fantastic team players at LB, than try to work up elaborate team concepts for the perimeter guys and expect individual heroics from the front 7. You can be a great defense with good athletes at LB and great team concept. Team play on the perimeter basically means too many guys covering bare earth a mile away from most of the action, and LBs being preyed upon by faster receivers in the middle.
I think the great DB does more to change the landscape of the defense than a great LB. At LB, smarts go a long way toward making up for a half-step in speed, but there’s no substitute for the great athlete, when you’re talking 1-on-1 in space against a WR. Smarts help, but they’re no substitute. But a good LB who’s free to just attack all day is going to be productive, if he’s inside a fairly wide range of athletic capabilities, and he’s smart.
All this “in the shallows” talk by Texas Chief and others is the kind of brilliant analysis you see from people who are scheming for success in spite of shortcomings at DB. I don’t even want to go down that road. I don’t have the brains for it. You show me a S who blew a coverage and I’ll show you a CB who couldn’t take his man outta the game 1-on-1.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
+1
Theres no way that Dline sees another early pick. If Pioli doesnt think Dorsey is the longterm answer he can ship him out for a pick and put a proven vet in at that spot or we have McGee in the wings who needs to be developed.
FIrst round next year the only position I can see worth using an early pick on is LB or Safety. If we have an extra first round pick or an early second then oline.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 24, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
RDE
I don’t disagree that the primary pass rush in the 3-4 comes from the LBs. And I agree that the RDE in the 3-4 is not a “dominant pass rusher” (by dominant I presume we are talking 10-15 sacks in a season). However, I do think the RDE in the 3-4 scheme has enough speed to be a threat (former NE patriot and current Oakland Raider as the prototype.)
Dorsey does not have those type of pass rushing skills…he really does not have as good of speed as Tyson has on the other side (although it would be hard to tell so far). Dorsey’s pass rushing skills are clear by the fact that a third round pick who does not start and is second on the depth chart frequently comes in many times on passing downs. I am guessing that Pioli (like I said, a guess) would like to have a starter that can stay on the field on downs that a DE is needed, a more complete player at RDE (an impact player like previously mentioned Raider).
So I still think Pioli will address the offensive and defensive lines in next years draft.
regards,
Bewsaf
Dorsey better against run
You need fresh D-Lineman to be effective most teams have went to some sort of rotation along the front line. Thats all that is trying to dominate with depth.
Dorsey good against run
None of you are really saying anything I disagree with. In regard to your point about the rotation…I agree, teams rotate. But notice that T. Jackson does not come out on passing downs most of the time, even when they play nickle and the two defensive ends move down to tackles and the NT comes off the field. Many times in this situation we see T. Jackson and Magee playing the two tackle positions.
Bewsaf
Saw that a lot more in preseason than in regular season, I thought.
It was pretty much Gilberry/Jackson-Tyler-Dorsey-Hali in passing situations against Chokeland, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Dorsey's been good against the run.
Playing good 2-gap 5-tech. And he CAN turn the corner on the tackle, but he’s still mostly a B-Gap pass rushing tackle, so I can see your point. But I’m still MORE than OK with 3 guys who are holding their own against 5 O-Linemen. Hali needs to bring the standard, relentless outside pass rush on the weak side, pretty much like a 4-3 DE, just with more stout from the other 3 linemen than a 4-3 DE usually enjoys.
All that aside, I agree that the primary pass rush should come from other-than-d-line. I’m partial to more speed, myself, and more variation, so I’d be mixing in the safeties and corners much more often than I saw Clancy doing.
As for Dorsey’s speed versus Seymour’s, I’d wager (a little) that Dorsey is the more athletic of the two, and speedier/quicker. The case for Dorsey not being a 3-4 DE fit is his wingspan, and I think that hurts him, some. Seymore can fall down and bring down a guy 8 yards away down with him, just getting a fingertip in the guy’s jersey.
I totally understand what your eyes are telling you, and I suggest you think “4-3/3-4 hybrid,” which is what you’re seeing, in many respects. You tend to get fooled because he’s playing true 3-4 DE against the run, but gap-shooting DT against the pass, and he’ll only rarely try to take that outside angle (but he can and he’s not all that bad at it – it just isn’t his forte.
And yeah, we haven’t seen a WHOLE lot of Jackson in space, other than chasing down weakside plays from the opposite side of the field. He’s mostly playing (to my eye) to not make a mistake, rather than to make a great play. I’m OK, with that, but he’ll start picking his spots as he gets more comfortable. Meanwhile, it’s looking tough to run anywhere between the C and the TE.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
well said, wrecked
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
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what?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Heh. Click on "action" link below the post. Click on "rec" link.
That’s a rec. Can’t believe you don’t know how to do that. You certainly get lots of recs from others!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I know how to rec
and I had already done it when I posted “wrecked”
that’s why I was confused as to what you were asking
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Dorsey good against run
Hi hmills110,
Good post. Like I said in another post, I agree for the most part. It would appear that you agree that Dorsey is not a true 3-4 defensive end. Don’t get me wrong, he is playing run defense well and appears to be getting better and better. But if it is true that the 4-3 under that we are running now is only our transition defense…meaning the defense we are going to run until we get the personnel to run the straight 3-4…then Dorsey will not be here in 4 years.
I think it is Pioli’s blue print to have a dominant D-Line and a good offensive line. So I would not be surprised if Dorsey shows some value this year and is traded in a year or two to get something for him before our team transitions into a defense where he is the odd man out due to his size and position he is asked to play in the straight 3-4.
All that aside, I think it is Pioli’s track record to pick a safety in the draft over a linebacker.
Bewsaf
That's similar to what I've been thinking, too.
What makes it intriguing, though, is how good a job Tyler and Dorsey are doing in this hybrid, together. Hard to say what the future holds, because KC might be able to find better value in draft and FA looking for more Tank and Dorsey types, and sticking with what they’re doing. With the trend toward 3-4, teams might look right past DTs, seeing them as neither fish nor fowl (as some have said about Dorsey) for their 3-4. And 4-3 teams have problems of their own trying to find great pass-rushing DEs who’re stout against the run.
I think it’s a pretty cool way to man your D-Line, and, to me, I wouldn’t be surprised by a draft pick specifically for Hali’s spot, before a 3rd or 4th round pick a la Magee. This would be in line with what others are saying (sort of) about going LB in the draft (if you can stretch that to DE who looks like a potential predator). Ironically, this scheme we see in place right now, with the people they have in it, might have been the perfect fit for Gary Stills, some years ago.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Bewsaf......
Richard Seynors career high in sacks is 8 with NE, Your wrong bro, You dont expect that out of your 3-4 de. Also, Richard only had 3 sacks his first year in the 34 with a high of 8 on his career. Now that he is in the 34 I expect it to rise. Haley and Clancy would much rather have him stopping the run. Also Dorsey is one pass to get close to Seymour in tackles, Im happy with that.
by dougritchey on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
You want your defensive end to stuff the line and react and shut down the run and contain the edge first and foremost. If he also gets a good pass rush, that’s a bonus, as you are looking for your OLB to provide the pass rush primarily
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Two words if we go OLB
Navorro. Bowman. The dude is a Lavar Arrington clone. Just a goddamn FREAK of a LB.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
You know what the problem is?
Our players are bums. They are all bums. LJ is slower than any running back in the NFL. He falls down at the line of scrimmage. Cassel can’t throw a ball past 30 yards, our line can barely hold and our linebackers are scraps. The people who are coaching this team are in over their head and Haley’s intimidation is working in a sense that some players are playing better but they’re playing better for themselves not for the team. The chiefs are not a team anymore. I’m sick of watching the chiefs. I’ve been a fan for 14 of my 17 years alive, ever since I was old enough to understand. I’ve seen some lows, I’ve seen some highs, but I’ve never seen this. We are abismal. I can’t stand to watch it. Every “big” play negated by a god damn penalty.
I've made this point a few times before...
I agree, I think the Chiefs could really use a big time playmaker on defense that fires up the rest of the team.
It could be a LB or safety, but I think the defense is maybe just that one player away from being great.
I could say the same for the offense and special teams… it’d be nice to have a KR/PR and/or a RB/WR that other teams had to take into account on every play.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
James or Holliday
Florida #25 or LSU #8 awesome KR/PRs with WR ability in the slot plus the can run the ball. Lots of plays that can be run with those two.
What this team needs most though!!!!
A Win. Fair enough?
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
by XtaC69Chief on Sep 24, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
a win... or at least 3 wins
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I think we need to win before anything else, good call
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 24, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Mays like i wanted Rey Rey last year.
We need to be right around pick 7-10 to take him. I think we go o-line and d-line/lb with out second round picks.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
I think...
Berry is a much better “football player” than Mays. Mays is a freak athlete and will do well, but like you said Berry could be the next Ed Reed. I don’t think we should over-rate what these safeties bring to their respected teams. They can help out in the run game as the 8th man in the box. They can obviously help you out with pass coverage, especially deep throws and the underneath game. And they can be a pass rusher and get to the QB. I love Paige, he is inked in at starter for me for the next 5 years at FS as far as I’m concerned. That leaves SS and Mays will probably fit the mold better than Berry. He might be the next Polomalu. Remember Bob Sanders in the Colts superbowl run? If you look at who has won the superbowl at lot of teams have had a top 5 safety or damn near close:
Ravens: Rod Woodson
Patriots: Milloy and Harrison
Bucs: John Lynch
Steelers: Polomalu
Colts: Sanders
Giants: Gibril Wilson (probably the worst out of this bunch, but still really good)
I am a true believer in defense baby defense. I think we should build our foundation around the D at all cost.
6'3", 230 lbs, 4.2 speed, playing in the nation's best conference
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
SEC...
is the best conference in my opinion.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You can say that until Cal beats Flordia in the Rose Bowl
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
I'll take that bet...
I don’t think Cal has a complete enough offense to go up against Florida. I do like their running back though. The SEC has won handily in the last 3 titles and USC’s last appearence was a loss to the big 12.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Flordia has one handily BECAUSE it played the Big 12 and Big 10
You can’t stop the Riley/Best combo. Ask Maryland or Wisconsin.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
I mean...
we will see. Cal will need Texas to lose a game of course to even have a shot at the title. I would welcome Pac-10 and SEC. You don’t get to see it that often.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me....
Pac 10 is the 3rd best conference, They only have 2 good teams. Sorry but you obviously a Cal Fan. What ws their record last year? Also, They havent played anyone of merit this year to give them a shot at a title game. Wisconsin and Minnesota arent even ranked and Minnesota gave them a run for their money. 1. SEC, 2. Big 12, T3. Pac 10 & ACC. Maryland is one of the worst teams to use as an example. They are not even top 5 in their conference.
by dougritchey on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
SEC only has two teams, same goes for the Big 12. Not to mention that the Big 12 plays zero defense. SC, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, ASU all ball. Take a look at last years bowl season and tell me what was the only conference that went undefeated.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
Big 12 only has 2 teams, SEC 2 teams, your crazy...
Big 12- Okla, Okl;a state, Texas, Nebraska, Missouri all better then oregon, oregion state, ucla, and for sure ASU. Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, all better then Those teams as well, Florida, Texas, Okla, Alabma, LSU, all better then Cal. USC lost to washington. Your wrong, If that was the case then more people would recognize it. Only pac 10 homers think so. Cal has beat nobody in the top 25 this year and USC lost to Washington. Also, Last years bowl games mean nothing, Thats happened for every division before, Tell me your regular season stats against every other conference.
Berry > Mays
I’m confused how anyone who watched the Ohio State v. USC game can still believe Mays is a better prospect than Berry. Mays doesn’t show good instincts and his “freakish” speed still didn’t help him on some of the poor angles to the ball he takes.
The PAC 10 is a pass happy conference, but Mays only has 1 pick in 2 years…..
Berry had 7 INTs last season….
BTW, DraftScout reports Mays 40 at 4.47
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=FS&draftyear=2010&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, the guy twisted his knee versus Ohio State and still played well...
The best QB Berry is intercepting is Tebow who, according to many around here, is at best an NFL full back.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
Disagree...
The knee sprain was late in the game well after he took a poor angle and was burned for a TD.
Mays has incredible measurables, and plenty of draft experts rave about his potential. However, his production doesn’t mirror his potential… that to me is a red flag for a possible/probable BUST. If he isn’t making plays in College why will that suddenly change after the draft???
Level of Competition….. REALLY? Eric Berry plays safety in the SEC, his level of competition really shouldn’t be in question.
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
link
Here is the youtube link from the USC v. OSU game.
Mays is number 2 and at around 9 min left in the 1st quarter is the play he was out of position and gave up the big play.
The knee play is approx. 3 min left in the 1st quarter also on this highlight.
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, I'd want him just to dominate half the field as a CORNER!!!
6’3", 230 lbs, 4.2 speed, playing in the nation’s best conference
I’d have him playin’ all over the field. Any WR gives us trouble in a game? OK. Now you got Mays to deal with. You’ve finally pissed us off!
Those kinds of measurables, if they come with a real PLAYER’s head, and I’m not even sure I’d WANT him playin’ safety for me. I’d sit him down with reel after reel of Champ Bailey film and we’d agree which were wise choices and which hits maybe my franchise player shouldn’t subject himself to.
Just noticed that Joe Flacco TD pass on the blitz. That was Carr who couldn’t make the play. #39. A 6’3’’ with 4.2 speed closes on that ball and it’s broken up or picked… Didn’t much look wrong with that blitz. Just bad coverage. Guy shouldn’t’ve been able to get that deep that fast. Guy was open for most of the route.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
safety help over the top... would have been nice on that play, too
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Blitz design rarely makes sense to me from the Chiefs.
I guess I just don’t get it. You’re sending your safety on the blitz, there’s no WAY the WR should get a free release.
But I’m listenin’ to what others are saying about Player versus Athlete. I don’t want even a great athlete if he isn’t also a player. If I’m spendin’ a 1st-round pick, the guy needs to be a player and an athlete.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If he had 4.2 speed
Which, we will see at the combine.
Just because you keep stating he runs a 4.2 doesn’t make it so.
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Mays does not run a 4.2, Watch video and you can tell...
Mays<Berry, Berry is a much better coverage safety.
by dougritchey on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you
that’s what I’ve been saying all night….
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be reaching concensus.
I don’t watch college ball. I appreciate these discussions from guys who do.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
SC and the 9 weak sisters doesn't make it the best conference.
That’s unfair.
Ok. SC, Cal and the 8 weak sisters don’t make it the nations best conference.
Just like having inept offenses doesn’t make the conference a defensive powerhouse.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
I meant...
under-rate not over-rate by the way.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays
Is a great player….but his addition would not equate to wins.
We need a stable Oline. We need to give Cassel more time in the pocket to pick the defense apart. We need to make more holes for LJ to run through.
Great Safeties are nice to have but I think they are a luxery….not a need. Your wins start and end at the lines….both sides. O and D line. If you control the line you control the game….Period.
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
We can get all the RT or interior lineman help we need with either of our second round picks.
No sense in using what will likely be a top 12 pick on a RT.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
Agreed
Use the first rounder for the difference maker. Two second round picks will go miles on the lines.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Thats right...
I almost forgot that we do have two second round picks. And you are right, you don’t want to spend a first rounder on a right tackle. I would go linebacker or safety with that first round pick, and use my second round picks on the best available right tackle, and then finding a right guard. Of course, if a killer center were available, I might take the center over a guard, as you can find a good, serviceable guard in the third and fourth rounds as well. However, I think getting a wide receiver/returner with the third rounder would be wise as well.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
I think Colin Brown will be our starter at RG
C and RT may be our problems to address on the O line. Well that and a developmental LG to replace Brian Waters, a late round pick should suffice there
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
dont' forget Ndukwe
I think he’s making a case this year to remain a starter
He could start at RG, with Brown as the backup for a year.
I agree, though, that RT should be addressed early, if at all.
I say “if at all” because O’Callaghan and Richardson may still be in the team’s plans there
C in the mid rounds, LG in the later rounds
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Yeah, well, at present, sitting with Ndukwe at RT, it doesn't appear that the matter is settled.
Will we see O’Callaghan at RT anytime soon?
I dunno about Richardson, though. This might be the last year he can remain a promising project player, before KC just has to move on.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
As long as those 2 picks net 2 instant starters.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
i think the Chiefs NEED to get starters on their first 3-4 picks next year (1 first, 2 seconds, 1 third)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I would like to see an early pick
at WR. Another big guy like Benn at Ill. Haley always had big WR. TO, Fitz, Bolden…I think he works with them better. Plus another big guy along with Bowe would be sweet
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
I would too...
but the guy has to be able to return punts, IMO
so, I’d rather have a deep threat than another big guy
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Or we could go the Dante Hall route
and draft a guy on his return abilities alone. Usually you can get those in the late rounds
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
like...
Kevan Robinson?
j/k
I am still hoping Lawrence pans out as a PR at some point…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I'm hoping so, too.
But I wouldn’t care too much about KR/PR duties if I had a great WR in hand. Do KR/PR another way if you have to. I wouldn’t let it influence making my offense as good as possible.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
maybe so
Lawrence has shown some ability on that reverse and on a WR screen in the preseason…
hopefully they are working on more of a package of plays for him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
But if all you have are Dante Hall gimmicks for getting him the ball,
that’s not enough reason to get him on the field. He has unteachable speed, but still doesn’t have the entire WR toolkit, and may never develop it. These things you never know if it will happen or won’t, until it happens or until the player leaves the team…
I’m just not a big fan of the 1-trick-pony speed guys. They limit your offense as much as they add to it. They need to be more well-rounded (routes, hands, blocking, reading defenses, in synch with their QB). To me, it’s not a matter of working up gimmicks for Lawrence, but for Lawrence to step up and play like a pro.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I was going to reply to stagdsp
Quentin doesn’t seem to have the toughness for starter.
I think he was picked purely as a returner and might not be here next year :( He’s Afraid to let it all out
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
but great safeties don’t grow on trees. I don’t see a justification for filling out our lines with a number 1 pick with the exception of NT and Tank is impressing so far.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I do.
Like I said….the lines control the game. If there is a rookie that looks dominate at his oline position…take him. LT or RT I dont care….forget position value…it doesnt matter…..we need the best lines possible
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
I don't see...
that guy coming out this year. Maybe Okung out of Oklahoma St, but he doesn’t seem like Jonathan Ogden to me. I think positional value is huge! There is clear history in the league that it is harder to find certain positions later in the draft. Offensive tackle and interior lineman are actually findable in the later rounds. Look at NY Giants, Titans and Cowboys. I don’t think you’ll find a first rounder on any of those squads, but they are dominant.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
Was Page not a 7th rounder….you can say the same thing about any position
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Is Mays or Berry?
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
I think so...
just on pure speculation. I know there is no such thing as a can’t miss prospect, but these guys are as close as it gets in next years draft.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus they are top 10 for sure at the latest....I dont see us picking that low
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
God...
I hope your right man, but this schedule? I don’t know. I want to get the hell out of the top 10 two. I think being in the top 5 would be more of a burden than a curse. Screw that, we need wins bad!
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
after bye week it looks gravy
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
yeah, it can be done at any position
But, I hope they draft at least one true IMPACT defender in the first, and some STARTING CALIBER OL fairly early.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
We have been drafting Defensive first
Dorsey and Jackson…
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
yeah, and I bet that does continue
But, I’m HOPING that it’s not another DLineman or developmental player…. at least not in the first 2 rounds
I want to see a guy who can light it up or take it to the house on any given play.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Like Aaron Curry that was there when we picked
and Pioli didnt go for it
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
exactly
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
but, it's yet to be seen if Curry is that guy
though, he looks solid.
I’m still wishing they found a way to get back into the 2nd to get Rey Rey
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I know....
I wanted Curry, Rey Rey, or atleast Laurinaitis
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
So that tells you something
Pioli drafts for what he thinks fits the team the best….not the guy who is going to fill the seats…or the popular playmaker guy.
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
yep, but a guy can dream, right?
I wouldn’t mind them taking a dominant OT in the first round… But, I can still hope for a playmaker
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I want the trenches to be our best area...
I want that Ravens Oline and that Giants Dline….I want that for us so bad
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Aaron Curry...
might not have fit the 3-4. Honestly if he played for us he would the starting RILB right now with no DE in front of him to take on blockers. He would have been essentially a non-factor this year. And the future do really want to spend a top 3 pick on an ILB?
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone has to fill in for Vrabel when he leaves
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
yep...
Studebaker is a good guy, hope he sticks with the team… but they may want to draft some OLB depth
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
sorry, I meant
Studebaker is great for OLB depth, they should draft a starter
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I mean...
its a risky proposition though. You don’t if Curry has those pass rushing skills. When your paying that guy the kind of money you are you want a sure thing. He was a traditional OLB in college and never was asked to rush the QB. We know Tyson Jackson has the tools to be a great 5-technique and in the end I think that is why Pioli went with him.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson
I think it’s clear that Jackson was a sure bet and a very safe pick.
Pioli didn’t take any chances with his first pick
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Show me a great D-Line and I'll show you a LB corps
behind it with CRAZY pass rush skills.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
sounds good to me
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I love that...
guy. You know if we really wanted to get greedy on D and completely ignore the O. We could get Mays then trade back into the first with our 2nd rounders and pick up Spikes. OLB would have to be addressed in FA as would O-line, but man our D could be sick.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Travis Lewis - Oklahoma
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
I'd prefer
Rolondo Mcclain, Micah Johnson, Sean Weatherspoon or Eric Norwood over Spikes.
Weatherspoon could be our Patrick Willis if DJ isn’t going to cut it.
McClain has similar size to Spikes, but appears to have better speed and versatility.
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 25, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
If anyone...
is Patrick Willis in this years draft it is Brandon Spikes.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 28, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure
he’d start over Mays, and be in position to make some hits and cover some TE
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Aaron Curry would've meant the Chiefs would either still be in a sucky 4-3
or a sucky 3-4. Didn’t have the big men in depth for either D. Jackson and Magee went a long way toward getting the Chiefs to a decent hybrid D that is capable of playing STOUT straight-up 3-4 against the run and FAIR 4-3ish aginst the pass (but they need to blitz more and their corners need to play more – I’m sick of making compromises on the pressure front, because of deficits on the coverage front).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I have a hard time arguing against you, Matt.
If there is a rookie that looks dominate at his oline position…take him. LT or RT I dont care….forget position value
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
my picks
- Get Mays/Berry in the 1st
- Get the starting RT of the future in the 2nd
…plenty of 2nd round starting RT out there…
this year, Phil Loadholt and Eben Britton were 2nd rounders….
- Get a starting OLB or ILB with the other 2nd round pick (or in the 3rd)
- Get a deep threat WR who is a great KR/PR in the 2nd or 3rd
- Get a C in the 4th
BPA with whatever late round picks the Chiefs actually kept for 2010
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Or some similar combination thereof ;)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
yep
but Pioli didn’t listen to me this year, so he probably won’t listen to me next year!
I’m surprised, though, that the Chiefs didn’t get more starters out of this draft…
Jackson is starting now… and Succop…. but that’s it, right?
I would have thought they’d go for guys they could plug in and start right away… but what do I know?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Really...
those were the only feasible starters. Would you put Magee over Dorsey? Or Washington over Carr? We got in trouble last year playing too many rookies. These mid to late rounders seem like they need a year before they are truly ready. Same really goes for the Marquis guys too.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree
I am not saying I would start any of those other guys right now.
I’m saying I would have drafted at guys I thought COULD start right away…
maybe instead of Magee, Washington, Brown, Williams, O’Connell…
they had to know that most of those guys were projects for the future
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
no problem...
but, isn’t that surprising that only the first and last picks ended up being starters?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I guess I wouldn't put Magee and Washington in that group.
That puts a different light on the matter. Williams and O’Connell, though. You have a point.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
we'll see
magee is a contributor already
Washington and Lawrence have seen very limited playing time… but both COULD get involved before too long, I hope.
Just looking at the draft board this year, you had to wonder if they could have gotten a bona-fide starter in rounds 3-4 like:
jasper brinkley
johnny knox
louis vasquez
andy levitre
louis murphy
off the top of my head…. I’m sure there were more that are/will be starting at positions of need for KC
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
starters
If you consider the 2nd round pick to NE we actually did better….
Like a starting QB and OLB….
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
True
I think most of us forget that we, in essence, “drafted” Cassel and Vrable with our second round pick. I would say we are getting our money’s worth out of that pick, as you said, we got two starters out of it.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
yeah, good point
that will turn out to be a hellova move, I think
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
It will, if Cassel's hiccup at the end of preseason was just a hiccup.
If he goes down with another injury, then the QB-before-OL experiment will be a failure in my eyes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah there...
is a kid out of Rutgers that is huge. Reminds me of Loadholt and will probably fall to the 2nd. How about Jordan Shipley in the 3rd? Kid kind of reminds me of Wes Welker. I also think a good rush OLB is very feasible in the 2nd.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Anthony Davis - Rutgers
6’6 335lbs Projected 1-2 round
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Don't forget we may be looking at an uncapped year
the FA pickings should be sic
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Not Piolis way though
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
He paid...
Adailus Thomas out of Baltimore. I think he is willing to pay for vetern linebackers. That is the one positional group I think he would break the bank for.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Sep 24, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He's pragmatic
The FA implications for next year are unprecedented so I’d be a little hesitant to say he’d avoid participation altogether.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
You ever see Sean Lee play at PSU?
He’s a Zack Thomas clone. Decent in coverage and pass rush, but a beast at run stopping. Nobody gets by him. Nobody. All he does in any game ever is get involved in tackles.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Micah Johnson for ILB
He is a great player and as of right now looks as a late second/early third.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 24, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I like these guy for 3-4 end depth
Will Tukuafu 6’4 278- Oregon 17.5tfl 7sacks
Alex Carrington 6’5 280- Arkansas St. 19tfl 10sacks
DT Depth
Brian Price 6’2 300 – UCLA 14.5TFL 4.5sacks
Boo Robinson 6’2 326 – Wake 6tfl 5sacks
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Boo will prolly be gone early into the second
considering how many teams are now running a 3-4 defense, not to mention Boo looks to be a true NT.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 24, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No its fine...you did a good job
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Nahh
You had facts and pictures to support your point. Good Job. A lot can be overlooked when you actually put a little effort into your post.
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
Nice post
But haven’t made it through all the comments.
Mays and Berry seem to be two completely different animals to me.
Mays might beef up a little and play LB
Berry might be a CB in the NFL.
But what do I know
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet you anything we go safety in the first next year
there’s gonna be some good ones and good safties are hard to come by in this league.
Pioli seems to like his Safeties a little on the old side...
So you never know
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
I agree. Or just a great cover player with great size.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
And if I got stuck in the embarrassing position of having a better corner than Flowers,
I’d have Flowers roaming the middle of the field at FS, hiding behind LBs and picking off every other deep ball thrown. That would suck.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
maybe they already have a better cover corner in the works
Washington has the ability if he can get the technique and scheme down…
IF Washington can step up before the year is over… then there would be an embarssment of riches in the secondary if a stud S is drafted
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Oh, what an embarassing predicament to be in, indeed!!
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Am I the only one who thing the thermostat needs turning down?
I’m VERY hopeful about Washington. I think he slipped in the draft, because his issues with the NCAA seemed to say something about his mentality. Everything I’ve heard about his mentality as a Chief has been positive. I’m definitely looking to see #20 on the field.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
that's entirely possible
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
exactly where I'm hoping we land
enough improvement to show we’re doing the right things and still weak enough to get one more amazing draft to round it all out
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Yup
I have been thinking the same thing. I wanna see some real good improvement, win about 8 games, end the year on a positive note, have a great draft next spring, and tear it up in 2010.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Good post deflep
I started my official “Taylor Mays” for 1st round draft pick campaign yesterday.
That being said I never heard of this Berry kid before until the Florida/Vols game over the weekend. I’ve NEVER seen a safety fly around or make more plays before. I’d certainly be ok with him too. Its been mentioned a couple times, but mid/high first round is too high for RT and we do NOT need anymore D-linemen.
This could be an unbelievable defense in a couple years. Our front 7 essentially all 1st and 2nd round draft picks and a secondary with the 2 Brandons, Page and Mays/Berry. Wow.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions
I like it
Lots of TALENT (referring to another fanpost) on defense in KC.
It may take a year or two to bring it all together, but signs point to a bright future
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Thats why Tebow knocked the crap outta Berry
He went straight up into Berry and guess who went backwards….not Tebow…I loved seeing that!
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
ok so i was looking through some scouting stuff about 2010 draft prospects
since we need a guy who can do KR / PR duties
Jacoby Ford out of clemson has 4.3 speed and does PR / KR at clemson and has TDS from it and is projected as a 2nd rounder
In my opinion
Guys like that are a dime a dozen and could be found throughout the draft. (Assuming they go safety in the first) I think they need 2 O-Linemen in the 2nd round. Starting RT and C or RG.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I think we get that play-maker safety or linebacker in the first round, and I would like to see them address the offensive line with both second round picks, specifically right tackle, right guard, and possibly center. I think we have drafted enough first day talent on the d-line, time to take care of the O-line. Draft a wide receiver/returner in the third or fourth round and I think that takes care of the most glaring needs. Next year, with a solid draft and adding a couple more free agents, this team could be really, really potent!
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
OL
I think RT should be addressed fairly early, if at all… remember they have O’Callaghan and Richardson at that position next year… So, if it’s an early pick that’s an obvious upgrade, fine… but if it’s a late round pick, why bother?
RG… Well, we all agree Goff isn’t a long term solution… IF there’s a new starting RT by next year, Ndukwe has proven to be a pretty solid option at RG, and Colin Brown may be ready to go… not saying they shouldn’t draft a Guard… but a LG to eventually replace Waters would be smarter than another RG, IMO. And, assuming Waters is here for another year, they could take a later round pick for LG, and give them a year to develop.
C… since there’s not a clear winner at Center, I’d assume they’ll go for one in the draft, somewhere in the middle/late rounds.
LT… backup needed… may be a good opportunity to draft another prospect.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Yes
I agree RT should be addressed early, as I think it should be addressed with the first of the 2 second round picks. Right tackle is not a position that you burn a first round pick on, so I think using the first round pick on that position would be insane. I think you take whatever playmaker you can with that first round pick, probably a linebacker or safety. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that guys we have who could slide in at right guard, I would like to see a second or third round pick used to pick up a massive guard in the draft (whether it be right or left, depending on what goes on with Watters). I am in agreement that Center should be upgraded as well, I just think right guard, as of right now, is a higher priority in my mind than center is. If Waters does stick around another year, I think we have several options at depth there already. I haven’t seen enough of Colin Brown, Barry Richardson, O’Callaghan or Ndukwe to make me believe that we shouldn’t invest some early picks to solidify the offensive line once and for all. And by early picks, I mean the two second round picks. Imagine picking up a shiny new right tackle and right guard (or center) with both those picks (with the available talent that would be present for those positions in the second round) and how far it could go and making a good offensive line that will be together for a long while? Other than Albert, when was the last time the Chiefs drafted O-linemen early in the draft? I don’t think we have drafted any earlier than the fifth round in several years.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Before Albert it was Tait, who remains a solid RT in the league.
But Tait was a RT whom KC drafted to play LT (and whom Carl Peterson offended with his gutter talk and hardball tactics). RT is as much a retention issue as a recruitment issue.
I’m kind of like matt_grbac when it comes to O-Line. If I see a dominant LOT in reach, he’ll be hard to pass up. And I wouldn’t be happy with anything less than a dominant right tackle. I think you can get by with a good RT, but anchoring the ends of the line with the very best players possible makes everything else you want to do MUCH easier, and you’re on the path to a championship. If you can get that RT in the 2nd or 3rd round, great, but don’t mess around.
That’s my only gripe with Pioli’s plan. Sure, you can see that Cassel’s a more complete QB, but it would’ve been more my speed to keep Thigpen, Croyle, and Huard, and used that 2nd-round pick on the best RT I could find. Everything else the same, although maybe more of a G prospect than a G/T prospect like Brown. His being on IR kinda shoots down the whole “utility lineman” pick, but who coulda known?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I forgot about Tait
And with regards to Colin Brown, I never did hear what injury he has. I was actually looking forward to seeing what we had in him, as he is a big body, but sounds like somewhat of a project.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Same here. I don't know what it was, but I heard he had season-ending surgery of some sort.
If he can put that in his rear-view mirror, his history of playing on the d-side suggests he has better-than-average feet.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If Mays , Berry , and Spikes are gone when our 1st round pick our comes up
then why not go O line early and get Russell Okung Oklahoma State or Trent Williams Oklahoma if they are still there but out of those 5 guys one of them should still be on the board when our pick comes up and with Jaocby Ford i wasnt sayin draft him in the 2nd thats what he is “projected” if we can get him in the 3rd that would be good with me
I'm conflicted with that.
On one hand, I hope they are gone, which means we don’t have a top 10 pick, at the same time all 3 of those guys are gamechangers and I’d love to have them on my team!
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In fact
Walterfootball.com (my favourite Mock draft database) has KC with the 3rd overall draft pick and picking Okung.
They have Lions at 4th taking Berry, Oakland at 7th taking Mays and Redskins at 11th taking Spikes. I realize its a september Mock draft and doesn’t mean shit…but it also means we will probably need a top 10 pick to get one of these 3 studs.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
gamechanger
that’s what Im talking about…
see my comment above on “OL”
I’m not sure the Chiefs have to take an offensive lineman in the first or 2nd.
I wouldn’t argue too much if they do, but given the way things shake out on that line… I wouldn’t be too surprised if they go another route.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
A lot depends on these most recent acquisitions.
Likely only 1 will stick, long-term, the odds being what they are in this league.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If Mays and Berry are gone
Dez Bryant would be worth a look before Spikes/Oline IMO.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 24, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
dez would be nice!
I bet Haley would lobby for him…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
they need
to win and win quick
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Assuming we pick top 5...
I go Berry (he reminds of Polamalu…i watched Troy live at KSU and he was in on EVERY tackle!!) that is how berry is when i watch him play you see number 14 by the ball every time. Monte Kiffen says he should go number one and i agree. When you draft top 5 you draft the best player in a need position. Sure we need a RT but we can address that later.
I would go:
1. FS Eric Berry (best football player in the draft…will have an Ed Reed impact ASAP)
2. RT Sam Young ND (maybe Irish homer here but was elite prospect out of high school and is very smart sound RT for years…dont discount the Weis connection either.
2. C Kris Odowd USC ( I think he is better than Kalil who i wanted a few years ago…guy is a stud)
3. WR Golden Tate (Wes Welker type player for the Irish very underrated)
I think we need another NT to rotate and an OLB pass rusher but with those 4 players our offense would be drastically improved and our Defense would have the play making DB we have lacked for years.
Addressing the Oline later is why our Oline sucks now.
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
2nd round is not "later"
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I agree
You don’t pay a RT top 5 money.
I am all for taking a dominant defensive playmaker in the 1st (safety or Linebacker) and using the 2 2nd rounders for the O-Line. I’d even pick Oline with the 3rd round pick.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my thought exactly
I think that would go a long way to helping this team, especially at those positions.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
Who says Albert is set in stone at LT forever?
Hasnt looked too impressive as of late
"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church
He has the tools, and even Jake Long has his bad moments.
But yeah, until you KNOW you’re dominant at LT…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I love the Polamalu comparisons, othereg.
I go Berry (he reminds of Polamalu…i watched Troy live at KSU and he was in on EVERY tackle!)
I’m all in favor of that kind of player. Polamalu has freakish speed, though – down in the 4.2’s to 4.3’s. If I’m going 1st round for a safety, he needs to be able to flat-out cover. He should bring me the freedom to move my secondary ALL over the place, without really giving away by formation what the coverage is.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Berry should be paying me....
Above you say “Polamalu has freakish speed, though – down in the 4.2’s to 4.3’s.”
Troy Polamalu: 5’-10", 206, unable to perform at combine (hamstring), 4.38 40 at pro day
Eric Berry: 5’-11", 203, 4.40 40 projection, some sites have him in the 4.35 range
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68598&draftyear=2011&genpos=SS
The link above has player position in the bio area and lists alternate positions (Pos2). Berry plays SS, but is listed as FS/CB as Pos2 (alternate positions). Monte Kiffen plays him all over including FS, CB and even LB.
I agree with your qualifications for a safety taken in the 1st round and the versatility the player should bring. That is why I like Eric Berry.
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice highlights.
Looks like what Walter Peyton would be if he were reincarnated as a safety. Knows how to deliver a hit with/without the ball. Most of the turnovers fell to him, pretty easily, off the play of his teammates. Didn’t see very much pure coverage out of him. But awesome just as a returner, alone. What an open field runner!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Irish Homer...lol
Man, I’d love Michael Floyd in 2011 if he declares early.
I like Tate also, but he always reminded me more of Steve Smith (Carolina).
by chrisclark_dfw on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Don’t you know you can only compare white WR’s to Wes Welker? Anything else is downright irresponsible around here :)
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 24, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the post, deplef.
Very good football conversation here. Enjoyed hearing from everyone.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
agreed
it’s a nice break from a slow news day
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Safety is certainly not our most pressing need
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