Why the Eagles Present The Perfect Storm for a Chiefs Win
by Matt Conner on Sep 24, 2009 12:19 PM CDT
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I admit it. I've done an about face. And I'd like to take this opportunity to present the reasons why.
Even as of a couple days ago, I predicted an Eagles blowout for this weekend. I also predicted a Ravens blowout, a Giants blowout, a Steelers blowout, a Chargers... you get the point. But something's nagging at me to rethink at least this one game. It's just the perfect storm.
Don't get me wrong: the Eagles have much more talent, even if McNabb is injured. The systems they have in place have been established for years, both on the field and in the front office, hence the reason they've played at a high level for so long. But there's chinks in the armor, so to speak, and I think this weekend will provide our first early signs of life of what's to come for Kansas City.
Last week's loss to the Saints provided an ideal game plan on how to attack the Eagles defense. Drew Brees had a typical Brees-y game and yet it's not something out of reach for the Chiefs to also put up points on the same secondary. The loss of Brian Dawkins and, to a lesser extent, Lito Sheppard have shaken up a once-steady unit. Then again, the greater and more tragic loss of longtime defensive coordinator Jim Johnson left the Eagles without their legendary mastermind. This, it seems, is opening up the Eagles to creative offensive attacks.
More after the jump...
As receivers become more comfortable in the offense Toddy Haley is installing, this game provides the optimum time for a settling Matt Cassel to go more to his receivers. Bobby Wade displayed an instant ability to get open underneath and revealed why many pundits wondered why Minnesota let him leave. Each week only brings more comfort in a new system and city.
On the opposite side, a burgeoning young defensive line should find some holes to work with in a patchwork Eagles offensive front which is currently hurting due to injuries. Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey might find their work made easier by the Eagles uncertainty there and perhaps the pass rush can find a couple opportunities to change the game.
In the end, it also might come down to injuries among some of the Eagles best playmakers. Brian Westbrook, Donovan McNabb and DeSean Jackson are all hurting to some extent and that only enhances our ability to eke out a win in such a scenario. The Chiefs will have to play mistake-free football against a front defensive seven that prides itself on controlling the game, but it can be done and a win here isn't that out of the question.
Thus, I'm changing my mind. I think the Chiefs walk away with their heads held high this Sunday - not because of a "good loss" but because Todd Haley finally gets his first mark in the win column.
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chinks in the armor
SO lets go out and destroy there armor and stab them in the heart watch em die
by redmedicone on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sick of all this talk about not having enough "talent"
This is the NFL, everyone has talent. The thing that makes the difference is coaching, scheme, and committment. True, there are various levels of talent at various positions and therefore some teams matchup better against some teams, but all in all, any NFL roster has tons of talent and potential that will succeed if operating in the right conditions.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
The Chiefs are as talented as any team in the league.
What they do with that talent is the key.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah
Chiefs are NOT as talented as any team in the league…..they lost 30 something players from last year and didn’t replace them with 30 of the most talented players in the league….
You must have been kidding….right?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not kidding
this team has plenty of young talent, and some good veterans.
it’s an NFL team, and they are NFL players.
Talent is not the issue, execution is.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
"Early going here, we’re going to have to be a team that has to play a certain way to win – until we start to show different, on the practice field and in the games. We’ve got to be a top-conditioned team, we’ve got to protect the football. We’ve got to play excellent special teams, I think week in and week out. We’ve got to do all the little things to have a chance to win each week."-Todd Haley
Layman’s terms- This teams talent level is dog shit.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
He was saying that they have not proven themselves to be able to win, so they have to do the little things and execute to have a chance.
That’s true for any team in the league
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha...your quite the optimist
IMO that’s not what he was saying at all…..he was saying this is a team that won 6 games in the last 2 years….the talent level sucks balls, that is why we got rid of 30 something players…not because they were so talented, but because they fucking sucked.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it WAS a commentary on the losses
more than the talent level
everyone’s aware that this team hasn’t been able to win in the last couple years.
Haley realizes that without major changes in execution and details, this team will continue to lose. You can’t just snap your fingers and start blowing teams out, it’s a grind.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Keys are with any team.
We are very talented on our 1st Team and havve decent depth everywhere except O-Line and LB
by kcchiefstd on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be clear
I’m not delusional, of course I think that
Peyton Manning is more talented than Matt Cassel
Adrian Peterson is more talented than Larry Johnson
etc.
But, what I am saying is that the Chiefs are not devoid of NFL talent, and are not outmatched vs every opponent.
IF they can execute and play to their ability, they have ENOUGH talent to win some games.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be clear...what you actually said was...
the Chiefs are as talented as any team in the league.
Which is clearly not the situation.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did say that, but I'm allowed to expand on that... which is what I did
and I still contend that the Chiefs are talented enough to WIN… they just have to execute.
I think it was clear in the first 2 games that the Chiefs players were not outmatched by their opponents, they just didn’t do what it took to win those games.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ravens far outmatched the Chiefs...
that much should be painfully obvious.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders aren't going to outmatch ANY team in the NFL
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is SO not true.
They have been losing for 6 years. They have more high 1st round picks than damn near any team in the league playing on that team other than maybe the Lions. If you want to talk about talent, the Raiders are probably one of the more “talented” teams, they just lack the guidance and execution to win games.
Thanks for helping me to argue against your point.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because they are a 1st round pick does not mean they are talented.
The Raiders draft are a joke.
by Helmets on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know they have had some shitty picks but, they have had some players who have come around.
If the Raiders hadn’t picked Russel in the first round, another team would have, without a doubt. the guys got talent, he has simply been coddled and poorly coached. McFadden is a great player as well as Asomugha and they were both first round picks who have worked out pretty well for them.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So putting up 500 yards isn't any indication that their offence outmatched our defence...?!?!?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
it’s an indication that the Chiefs defense didn’t execute to get off of the field
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying our offence was overmatched?
Get your story straight man.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or was it out defence...its gotta be one...
it was really both but whatever you think man…the chiefs have the most talented team ever….sure.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"most talented ever"
I didnt’ say that, I said “as talented as any” and “talented enough to win games”
I’m realistic about the Chiefs, but what Haley was saying, and what I’m saying is that they have to execute and do those little things to win. period.
I do believe that there is less of a difference between the talent levels of each NFL team than people think.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youre not realistic about the Chiefs if you think they are "as talented as ANY team in the NFL"
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO...
I’m saying that NEITHER the Chiefs offense NOR their defense were overmatched.
they just didnt’ get it done.
period.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...thats just silly.
Then no team is ever overmatched ….they just didn’t “get it done”
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my point.
it’s not about talent, it’s about execution
period.
The Chiefs were in that game the whole time, and could have won.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lions were never overmatched last year.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're making it too much...
…of a black and white issue. The truth is, it’s about a combination of both talent and execution. The Chiefs are less talented than many teams, so in order to win, they had better execute to perfection. Some teams don’t execute perfectly but they are able to win anyway because of superior talent.
There’s no way we are as talented as any team in the league. We’re just not. But any NFL team CAN beat any other team. It’s just that sometimes a lot has to go right.
by TheDBroShow on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check this out...
Yep they Chiefs were outmatched by the Ravens…period.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree on this?
they were outmatched by the 2 teams ability to “execute”…whatever that means.
Talent is not limited to physical attributes. A more talented player may be slower but able to execute the play better…food for thought!
by ChiefinDenver on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reporter: "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?"
Coach: “I think that’s a great idea!”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 24, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but our lack of blocking was made up for by our lack of tackling!
Tampa Bay was totally inept back then weren’t they!
by ttownmikey on Sep 24, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
These guys are all talented players. Coaching. discipline and execution are the difference in the NFL. Football is a game of matchups. Just because a team wins a lot of games does NOT mean they are the most talented team.
The Pats won three super Bowls with very few “blue chip” type players. every player knew their role and executed it to perfection. That’s what creates a winning “team”.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly. thank you.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very few blue chip players?
How about one of the best QB’s to ever play the game, a terrific o-line, excellent defence and a clutch kicker?
Yeah not much talent on that team.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many guys on that team would you consider to be "superstar" talents
Besides Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri.
Think about all the guys who have left NE and tell me which ones moved on to be as effective on another team. Deion Branch? NO! Ty Law? NO! Richard Seymour? probably not. The list goes on and on.
Then let’s flip it the other way. How did Randy Moss do when HE was in Oakland? Terrible! How about Wes Welker? Well below average at best.
New England DID NOT have a bunch of blue chip type players on their roster. They simply play well as a team because their HC is probably one of the best of all time.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear god no...they had one of the most talented teams ever....
Thanks to Pioli
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still disagree.
If you asked Scott Pioli he would probably say “they were the right 53, not the most talented 53”
I can show you example after example of underachieving teams who are STACKED with talent.
Washington
San Diego
Oakland
Minnesota
I can also show you teams that have been pretty successful with moderate amounts of talent.
Green Bay
New York giants
Miami
Chicago
Seattle
You’ll notice that the only one of these teams that have won the Super Bowl was the Giants. They aren’t a team that I would consider to be STACKED with talent but, they ARE a very well coached team who executes very well. they don’t have the star power that say New england or Indy have though.
My point is that a team with average talent can be just as if not more effective than a stacked team as long as they don’t make a lot of mistakes and execute with perfection because THAT"S really what it’s all about.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
this team has enough talent to win as many games as any other team. (that’s closer to what I meant before)
IF they can execute, not make mistakes, etc. they CAN win.
it’s not just about talent, obviously.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I'm in a minority...here on a Chiefs blog....
But if you asked the “experts” (and yes i know they can be wrong and are alot.) but if you asked NFL experts from ESPN. NFLN, CBS whatever….they would agree…there isn’t alot of talent (compared to good NFL team) on the Chiefs….thats all im saying.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
There are only a few decent players on our roster, and maybe 1 talented player on the team.
Hailey was saying that this team has no talent, and they have to find a way to win. There is no between the lines.
Its cut and dry. hailey tells it like it is. What makes most of you people think he was saying different?
I agree with you chicks_love_chiefs.
by HaySoose on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
but, again, IF the Chiefs were winning games and executing… those same pundits would be praising the young talented Chiefs.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
for some reason, i can hear sterling sharp saying “Coach hailey has these guys playing. Theres no talent on that team, but they play as a team.”
Kind of like when the pats beat the rams in superbowl blah blah blah.
Rams had the talent, but the pats did not. They played as a team and schemed to win.
Chiefs are like, or trying to be like, that pats team. minimum talent, but play great together.
by HaySoose on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say they had minimum talent
They had, and still have, a bunch of talent. I think the point was made earlier that the talent level may not have been thought of as “blue chip” talent, but don’t mistake that for minimum or no talent. And to say the Chiefs have like one talented player is waaaaaayyyy off in my opinion. However, I do understand what you are saying. Everyone wants to debate this talent thing, but nobody wants to admit that talent is a hard thing to measure, until it equates to productivity on the field. Either which way, I just hope the Chiefs, no matter how much talent they may or may not have, figure out how to be productive and smart, and above all, figure out how to win!
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats something I think we can all agree on.
I think really our individual definition of the word “talent” is the root of the dispute. kinda.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id proabably be right with em ;)
But I’m just a fan. Im pissed the team Ive loved, like my daddy before me, is in the midsts of its worst 3 year span in franchise history. I went to the Raiders game, got all pumped….and we lost. IMO the Raiders O is the worst ive ever see. That is to say Russell is the worst Ive ever seen. We lost to a QB that put up a 25% completion. Anywho the O looked bad, again….and IMO anything but talented. Clumsy might be a better word. All the way from the drops the bad decisions, to the INT at the Raider 5 yard line. They, IMO, didn’t look like a very talented team.
Yes it takes more than talent to win games. Thats where the word upset comes from. The less talented team winning. It happens all the time is every sport at any lever. Especially in the NFL. One play here, one off bouce of the football here and the outcome can be completly different.
But you can’t agrue that in general, the most talented team wins. Its why the Pirates are always bad and the Yankees are always good. The Yankees might not win it every year, but there always in it. The Pats don’t win it every year, but they always seem to be close. Same with the Colts, Chargers (of late) Steelers, Titans, etc. are always “in it” They have more talent than most of the league.
Anyway sorry for the…whatever it is…
Go Chiefs
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants defence was stacked with talent...what are you talking about?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't measure talent in absolutes
It’s not possible for us, as fans, to sit here and rank teams or players in “talent”
Again, the point is that it’s not the most “talented” teams that win, it’s the teams that execute and get the job done.
Ask the Yankees, Cowboys, Raiders, and the USA men’s basketball team that lost in the Olympics…. You can’t just stockpile who you think are the best players and expect to win every game.
It’s about getting a competant team to execute and play together to win games.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I've been trying to say
i agree with you 100% stagdsp.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the 90's there was a team ...
dripping with talent, extremely well coached, very successful and indeed, one of the top 3 teams of the decade in terms of number of games won, yet they went to the playoffs only a few times and only once advanced as far as Conference Finals (a game they lost, even though they had a future HoF QB and RB)
and we all know which team it was
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by upamtn on Sep 24, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They went to the playoffs more than a few times under marty...BTW
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't think the Pats are a good example
because that was a team that was put together the way Belichick wanted it. He wasn’t in his first year with the team and just had a bunch of random guys. He’d had some time to put together the team he wanted, maybe not guys with the highest overall talent level, but guys with the specific talents he was looking for. Really, this is just a good example of “the right 53, not the best 53.”
With the Chiefs, it’s different. They haven’t had enough time to get the right players to win with.
by TheDBroShow on Sep 24, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe talent is an issue
But i do believe we have plenty of talent..But we don’t have as much talent as the giants, ravens, cowboys, patriots, etc.
by CALIFAN1986 on Sep 24, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh humbug clc...
this years team is showing signs of having vital signs – and they’re starting to gel as a team. I dont believe in moral victories either, but the guys on the whole played well enough to win last week. They just made a couple of mistakes in late situations that cost them them the win. Teams this young are going to do that. But after watching the first two games, lack of talent in KC is not the problem. Team cohesiveness and game situational unity is the biggest factor holding them back.
by CurtMerzFan on Sep 24, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill buy that...
But saying the Chiefs are as talented as any team in the NFL is fucking ridiculous
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy now...
that was my opinion, and I’ve backed it up and clarified my reasoning.
Maybe I should have worded that statement differently…. but, bottom line…
talent isn’t the only, or even the primary reason the Chiefs haven’t won.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
Wouldn’t you say anybody projected by NFL teams to be in the draft talented? Do you think untalented players even make it from high school to college, much less the NFL? Do you not think that Bowe, Dorsey, Jackson, Albert, Cassel, Waters, Page, Flowers, Carr, Brown, Magee, Hali, Vrabel, LJ, DJ, Tank, etc….. have talent? Hell, even Ryan Leaf had talent, or he would not have been drafted as number one, he just didn’t have leadership and work ethic. Many, many people have talent, it’s what they do with it that counts. Did the Chiefs not get an “A” grade from most of the pundits for last years draft? Was that grade not based on the talent level of the players taken, or was it a popularity contest? Was Glenn Dorsey not the most sought after D-lineman in last years draft? Was it because he is so cool, or because he has talent? He may not be equating that talent to high production on the field just yet, but you are missing the point. There are positions that could use an upgrade, for sure, but this team has a lot of talent. Even some of the players let go this year by the Chiefs have talent, they just don’t fit here for whatever reason, whether it be that they aren’t realizing their talent on the field, or they don’t fit the particular need of the Chiefs. The Chiefs are not way behind other teams as you are supposing, they are quite talented. But talent alone doesn’t equal wins, and I think you are confusing that point. If the Chiefs start winning, and win a lot, don’t you think most people would say that the Chiefs have a lot of talent? That is said quite often about winning teams, when realistically, it should be said that that winning team sure turned that talent into production on the field. Remember that.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly correct.
when the Chiefs start to win, you’ll hear everyone raving about how loaded they are with young talent.
winning is about getting the talent you have turned into production on the field….
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah sure...
but the Chiefs still don’t have as much talent as 3/4 the teams in the league.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's your opinion
I respectfully disagree.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats really a fact....they are 0-2 and lost all their pre season game for a reaosn
Sure bad play calling, poor play by cassel had something to do with it….but all in alll…..this team doesn’t have the talent to make the playoffs or even win 7 games. period
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a fact
you can’t prove it right or wrong
it’s your opinion, and that of the media.
which is fine.
But don’t talk in absolutes or claim that it’s an indisputable fact, because that’s simply incorrect.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Its pretty simple formula…..they cut 30 players…because they sucked…and they can’t fill 30 positions in one offseason with players that are “as talented as anyone in the league” its just not possible.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not that simple
I’m tired of arguing with you about this topic.
but, it’s not as simple as you think.
“talent” isn’t everything.
winning is always possible.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"talent" isn’t everything
but it sure helps!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 24, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope it doesn't
Every team ever has the same amount of talent, afterall it is the NFL…its all about coaching and production and execution….period.
jk
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see you as an NFL scout
You obviously cannot distinguish between talent and production. Even at the end of last year, there were people in the National media who acknowledged that the Chiefs had assembled a talented team, but were young, raw, inexperienced young men who needed to learn how to win. I guess you are just more qualified than most to judge the level of talent on this team, and in sports in general.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I was thinking that too...
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and thats why very few of them have been picked up...because they were so talented
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
You don’t pick up somebody because you think they have talent. Everybody at this level has talent. At this stage of the game, your roster is set, you want somebody who has shown that they can produce on the field to add depth to your roster or upgrade at a certain position. You don’t say “gee, this guy is really talented, he can run the 40 in 4.3 seconds, just hope he can catch a football, but boy is he talented”. You take the guy who has proven he can succeed on the field and contribute to your team, which doesn’t mean he is more talented than anybody else, it means he has been more productive. Maybe some day you will get that through your thick skull and understand the difference.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...speed has nothing to do with talent...terrible example
And yes everyone has talent….just some more than others….obviously.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed my point, again
You honed in on the speed thing, whereas I also said, in the same sentence, just hope he can catch the football, an obvious reference to talent. But you are right, I did not present the best example, I apologize for that. But read the rest of that post regarding production and roster depth, and you understand what point I am trying to make.
Anyways, I think we have beat this horse for too long. I appreciate your spirited debate and respect your opinion, even if I don’t agree. We are all still Chief’s fans in the end!
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha +1
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Stag.
CLC, I really have to call bullshit on you on this one. This team has the tools to win more than 7 games and get into the playoffs. However, We are basically an expansion team this year, starting from scratch. It’s going to take some time but, to say this team is basically just a bunch of scrubs off the streets who are incapable of winning anything is way off.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I'm saying
some people equate wins and losses with your talent level only, but you have to have a team that turns that talent into production on the field, and not shoot yourself in the foot with mental mistakes. You could have the most talented team in the world, but if you don’t play smart football, it gets tough to win.
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your post and your sig contradict eachother...
But….look yes obviously every NFL player has talent. I’d be dumb to argue that. There are thousands of players with talent that don’t make the NFL
It’s all relative. The Royals have talent…just not enough to compete through a 162 game scheduel. The NFL is different in that you don’t have to have the most talent to compete throughout the season. The Chiefs lost…whatever 10 games by 10 points or less last year, they competed nearly every week. So did the Lions.
The points is…yes while the Chiefs have talent, they don’t have near the talent most teams do, thus the 6 wins in 2 season.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 24, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still dont get it
You mention again the 6 wins in 2 seasons as a measure of talent, which in itself, it is not. Wins and losses are more a measure of production and cohesion and smartness on the field than it is talent. Look at the Miami Dolphins, who had a huge turnaround year. Do you think they have more talent than most teams, or do you think they played smart, creative (using the wildcat) tough football? Do you think Chad Pennington is one of the most talented QBs in the leauge, after not being very consistent with the Jets for so long, or do you think they used his strengths better in Miami? Winning and loosing is a combination of many things, with talent only being the tie breaker, not the only qualifier. If the Chiefs were winning right now with the same personnel on the roster, you would not be making the argument that they are less talented than everybody. In your mind talent and wins go hand in hand exclusively, and there’s a lot more to winning than talent. I would like you to prove your theory that the Chiefs are so devoid of talent, using some other rationale than wins or losses.
And by the way, my signature is a play on what Haley said about the punter, that’s all. I think most people get that. Or is it that only most talented people get it??
Hey, at least our punter is pretty good, so we got that goin for us, right?
by big_Scott on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree. these guys were all tops in college and now they've all made nfl rosters
there are some true standouts talent wise at diff positions on all teams but i don’t really think talent is a deciding factor on good teams, it’s more about mindset, presence and the ability to bear down and make the plays when it counts.
by E.C. on Sep 24, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article Matt
I have a funny feeling about the game as well. I hope you are right.
Also, could you throw the Power Rankings up on the Main Pagewhen you get a chance? Chris and Joel are off in wedding land.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
funny feeling???
I have been saying that all week long so has all my friends that are eagles fans by the way!!! GO CHIEFS
by njchiefs on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is like the 2006 titans
seriously
they started 0-5 after winning 4 games the previous year…..and won 8 games that year, and 10 games the following year in a stacked south division with 3 teams with at least 10 wins
I think they need to figure out how to win…just like that titans team did.
by SDChief on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's On!
I tell you what, I have been on bleedingeagles.com and watched Reid press conferences this week. They are so focused on their circus of new players, Vick & Garcia and key injuries, that I believe they don’t see it coming even with a loss last week to the Saints. Time to start earning some respect and I know the Chiefs are close to putting a complete game together. Offense improved significantly, aside from INT’s, first downs and time of possession was a sharp contrast from the Ravens game. The defense also played extremely well aside from the last drive where they sat in prevent defense with no pressure on Russell. I call Chiefs 27 Phillly 21. We have to WIN to be relevent and it is time. GO CHIEFS!
by casselreadychiefs on Sep 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we cannot have the penalties we had this week
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Sep 24, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Westbrook and McNabb sit, we win.
If Westbrook plays I’m worried they just feed him during the first half, until Vick gets comfortable, and then Vick goes off in the second half.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Westbrook is a great player but...
He’s not 100% and our run defense is showing itself to be pretty damn solid. The Eagles like to throw the ball around. The key to winning this game is stuffing their run game (which I think we will do) and taking away the middle of the field in the passing game. They like to throw to the tight ends in the middle and we showed we could take that away last week againt Zach Miller (who is pretty damn good I might add) If we give them 1 on 1 coverage on the sidelines with Carr and Flowers while taking away the middle of the field with the safeties, we will demolish the Eagles.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 24, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to compare last weeks game vs the Saints to this weeks as far as game plan.
Drew Brees is one of the best, if not the best, QB against the blitz and you could tell the Eagles were respecting that as they hardly blitzed all game. I think they’ll come after Cassel all game but it should be a good measuring stick to see where this offense is at and how much they’ve improved from last week.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 24, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Until the Chiefs win...
I am not sold on anything that Pioli or Haley have done in this new regime. They need that W to silent the critics, myself included. I love the Chiefs, and I always will, but they keep falling short. They are a young and inexperienced team, very true. I am just not so sure that a W in Philly, even with McNabb not playing, is going to happen.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't see anyone say that they're not doing better
than Herm and CP at the end of their careers here though, even if we aren’t seeing the results we would like yet…
by EyePod on Sep 24, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistically I haven't seen any improvements...
we are probably worse than last year after 2 games, and certainly not any better. Our offense hasn’t clicked yet, and our defense got clobbered in Baltimore. Whether the new regime is doing better or not is pretty hard to gauge considering we still aren’t winning. I am hopeful for a turnaround, but with our very tough schedule this season, I can see us getting maybe 4 or 5 wins this year. An improvement over last year, but I don’t expect any Miami/Atlanta like turnarounds for KC.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Sep 24, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was meant as a reply to EyePod...
my internet flaked out and it didn’t post correctly.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Sep 24, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question: Does one believe the Chiefs have a chance to sweep the NFC East???
While I know I wear my rose colored Chiefs glasses more often than not, I beleive it is possible. I think we can beat Philly due to injuries and the Redskins. Dallas and the Giants represent TALENT all over the place. I really think we can win 3 out of 4 with the exception of the Giants. What say you?
by casselreadychiefs on Sep 24, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!!
We are playing Philly at the right time – that’s for sure. If we are incrementally getting a little bit better each week, we’ve definitely got a shot!
The Skins only put up 9 points against the Rams, and will probably lose to the Lions this week.
Dallas’s defense is weak. Losing Greg Ellis and TO really hurt them, Dallas pass rush = last years KC pass rush + Romo is good for at least 1 INT per game.
The G-men are a complete team, but at least we get them at home!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
by cpa913 on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles have a good D and want to build Kolb's confidence...
…it may be a blowout.
by FrankPitts on Sep 24, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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