Chiefs Coach Addresses Jamaal Charles Deactivation
by Joel Thorman on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT
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Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley had his weekly Tuesday meeting with the media (which was streamed live on KCChiefs.com). As much as he tries to look forward, he occasionally gets caught looking backwards and that was the case today when he addressed the reasons behind Jamaal Charles being deactivated in favor of Dantrell Savage.
Before answering the question on Charles, he gave the standard line: "I’ve made it pretty clear, we’re going to continue to do everything we can to figure out who the guys are that give us the best chance to win."
Gotta give him one thing in these press conferences - he's consistent.
As Josh Looney says, the Charles decision ultimately came down to a numbers game.
"We have some limitations offensively number-wise as we go into each game," he said. "There is some juggling that has to go on and I think that we had a guy in Savage that sat the first week that we wanted to see."
As he usually is, he was vague on reasons why Charles, specifically, was deactivated and not another player.
"There is going to be somebody left out every week," Haley continued. "That’s all part of the process and it’s happening at other positions also, and it’s going to continue to happen until we feel like we’re going in the direction we want to go."
I understand what Haley's trying to do - there are only 45 on the 53 man roster that are available on game days. Some positions are tighter than others.
Here's the way I look at it: The Raiders had one of the worst run defenses last year so the Chiefs obviously had a plan to get the running backs early and often. With that in mind, why not pack an extra man in that position group? Maybe that thought is too simple in the grand scheme of things but it's something that crossed my mind on Sunday.
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I have to say...
If he is really evaluating these guys, Savage looked better than Charles IMO. I’m not saying he IS better, I’m just sayin.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say LJ needs to have a breakout game!
Savage, Charles does not look like a bad 1-2 punch I would say no one is safe now.
by kcchiefstd on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles
I’m still waiting for Charles to break “the long run”
.
by Major Tom on Sep 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all i know is jackie battle really stepped up his game damn that boy looks good
jamaal all i have to say is i love you dogg but i can see this being a major wake up call for jamaal to hang on to the ball and prepare to be a good starter he needs to step up he knows its and i bet in practice he is doing everything he can to get back on the field
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure, but I think Battle whiffed on a protection.
Haley had a few words for him on the sideline, as I recall. But I like Battle. He just needs to eliminate all the down-side, and his up-side is tremendous.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No loyalty... and that's not a bad thing
Haley doesn’t care WHO produces… as long as SOMEONE produces.
I tend to agree. I hope Charles OR Savage provides a home run threat, 3rd down back, screen play ability…
but, it doesn’t make a difference which one actually does it.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Typical soft Texas player underachieving at the next level
Amazing how they all look like stars in college then turn pro and something happens.
by golfbard on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You think Priest Holmes was soft???
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok you got me.. thats one.. however he wasn't projected to be a star as he wasn't even drafted
so there are exceptions to every rule…
Look at VY, Derrick Johnson, Ricky Williams, Jamaal Charles, Orakpo has a rep for being soft.
by golfbard on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Williams was had 4 1,000 yard seasons including an 1,800 yard season
and i think its a bit early to judge Orakpo in the NFL. Also all of those players are 1st rounders besides Charles so he can’t be categorized with them.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they were all soft
Williams is a career underachiever as many projected him to be a hall of famer off his record breaking college career. Mentally he’s not tough.
Big things were projected for DJ and he’s underachieved for his career. Same for VY. Draft status isn’t really the thing here.
by golfbard on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft status has plenty to do with it
a first round pick is expected to achieve more than a later pick. Charles was never expected to be a great back in the NFL and being that he is in his sophomore year there is no way you can say he has underachieved yet. By your analysis Barry Sanders should be a career underachiever because he quit early.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do completely agree that Dj was projected to achieve greater things at this level
and obviously Vince Young is garbage.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take that back!
Vince Young took McNair’s two sons out for “Father-Son Day” the other week! :P
by worc on Sep 22, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the competition, make guys fight every week.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Sep 22, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
This is so much better than last year when we stuck witht he same shit that wasn’t working every week. Especially defensively constantly mixing it up is making players work for their jobs.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Now we are trying different shit that isn’t working. =)
I get what you mean though.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
but Haley insists that he is going to keep trying until it works.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Haley
I think he is dead on with his approach and I think it will pay off.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hearing yo usay that paddy
makes me happy
by CHIEFER on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats for sure plus with the competition its like who is going to make the big play
to stay on the roster its like gladiator type shit. survival of the fittest
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This dumbass...where can I sign up for fire Haley now?
by FrankPitts on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haley
Savage lived up to and exceeded expectations. He didn’t produce a mega-highlight TD reel, but he didn’t get too many touches… I’d watch your judgment.. p.s.I love Jamaal… and LJ
by DuctTapeMessiah on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
complacency and nonprofessional behavior
should not be tolerated
showing up to camp out of shape and overweight was a major red flag
any fan worth his salt would want some players’ butts kicked or removed from the team altogether
I like what Coach Haley is doing and I want him to continue to ride them when necessary or ride them out of town
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow frank you want to fire haley already ?
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Healey sucks
damn him plugging in Savage who did well instead of Charles. Damn him!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley*
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley should definitely be fired
He’s destroying everything Herm did to build the team into a success. Any good coach would have us going 16-0 this year…15-1 at worst. After all, this team was able to pound out two wins last year…so obviously there’s a lot of talent there waiting to be unleashed. Get Haley’s ass out the door & let’s bring in that future Hall of Fame coach everyone’s identified…if we do that maybe we can salvage a 14-2 record & hope for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
by jmcgoblue on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll get cracking on registering www.firetoddhaley.com!
You get the visitors to go there!
by worc on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently we should get a new coach every week until we win as well
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we get a coach not on the rag 24/7?
by FrankPitts on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because the one we have is actually making the players accountable
for their screwups…and most people like it
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree he is on the rag but ya know what when you havent won many games
and we have the biggest fan loyalty in the nfl and we make bad plays and bone head plays ya know what he should be on the rag we all should be on the rag someone needs to turn the ship around and ill tell you right now he has fire and he is trying to spread it to the fans and the team.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't pee wee where we care about players feelings
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's wheere you lose to the worst eam in the League and f-up goal line
by FrankPitts on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate to break it to ya like this
but the Raiders are not close to the worst team in the league anymore
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly this isnt pee wee
you either do your job or get a new profession sounds ruthless but ya know what i want to win haley wants to win he chewing ass on the sidelines the entire game and ya know what i love it finally someone who cares on the sidelines those guys know if i fuck up im coming to the sidelines to get chewed make players more aware of the game on their toes they need to take control of their actions on the field.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
0-2 is doing your job? losing to Oak land?...
f-ing up goal line? Haley should be inactive
by FrankPitts on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
frank im telling you right now losing to the raiders is the my worst nightmare
i hate oakland but ya know what shit happens we lost im over it
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's weird about it...
is that we looked better losing to the Raiders this year than we did beating them last year. We played so bad in that win, that it almost didn’t even feel like a win.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley
the reasoning still doesn’t make sense at all.
by Arrowhead816 on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess
is that as Haley said before he doesn’t like talking about things that are between the player and the coach…he is probably saying this BS so he doesn’t have to tell everyone the real reason is because Charles fucked up this week or something
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
What is it about his saying that he wasn’t going to play Charles because he planned on playing Savage so he deactivated Charles so he could actuvate someone he might use don’t you understand?
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow that crazy talk right there i think haley is doing a good job players
are responding to the call it seems i know we are losing but damn we played one of the best defenses in the league game one and we almost had um then we pretty much just choked up against the raiders but we had a lot of positives that game and you guys are talking fire haley geeesh give the guy a break we have only won like 6 games in the last three years its going to take time to turn it around.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Win or lose, that was the best performance I have seen by the Chiefs in a loooong time. That was also cassel’s first game. This team will turn it around and, when they do, we can all thank haley for being an asshole.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was very impressed by Cassel's scrambling ability and pocket awareness
now if he can cut down on some of the mental mistakes we will be in business
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
frank has the torch out right now and the pitch fork geesh
please give me a coach that can take this team to the promise land
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
frank trust me im fucking pissed we lost to the mother fucking raiders i dont care if we lose
every game every season but if we beat the raiders twice im good. after we lost the game and i was chased out of my cousins raider nation house i just jumped in his pool clothes on and everything i was so pissed i was on fire i just needed to cool off so i jumped in his pool
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you're secretly
Jason Whitlock, aren’t you
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Sep 22, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the moment
there is no coach alive that could do it….we just don’t have the personnel yet
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me a name i have a name but even then he dont want to coach nomore
bill cower thats the only name you can give me but like i said hes retired
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone will snatch up Cowher this year but it won't be the Chiefs.
Haley is our guy. Like it or not. He will be given ample time to start winning. I would rather stick with haley than have to deal with a coaching carousel like the Raiders have had for the last several years.
Haley WILL turn this into a winning team. Give him some time.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in haley i trust.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all want him to succede.
But when you here the guy say:
“There is some juggling that has to go on and I think that we had a guy in Savage that sat the first week that we wanted to see.”
It makes it seem that this is still preseason. The looking, evaluating and hand wringing has to stop somewhere otherwise it turns into second guessing.
I say play the cards delt to you.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Sep 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd-youngest team in the league. More turnover than most teams...
Give it time to gel. Should’ve beaten the Faders, agree. A lot more pieces in place than most people seem to realize.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
it’s funny, if one play had gone the Chiefs way, and they won that game vs Oak… everyone would be riding high on how great this team was going to be.
But, it didn’t go their way, and now people want to fire coaches and bench qbs and give up on the season.
total reactionaries… kinda like the stock market “experts”
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 22, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you understand how long it took for him to get a ring in Pittsburgh?
There’s people in this thread that want to fire Todd Haley after two games! Yeesh.
by jk86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really what we are doing here is building
Haley is looking at guys and constantly evaluating players. He and Pioli want to find out who is staying and who will be gone next year. We have a lot more work to do before we are a playoff team
by KCCheeze on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Charles is the type of player who probably looks really fast in practice
when nobody is really trying to tackle him but once he’s under the lights, he gets overwhelmed and becomes too hesitant. So far, I haven’t seen his “worldclass speed” displayed on the football field at all. Savage is the shiftiest back we have right now and has improved his balance tremendously from last year to this year. Probably because he was training with Priest in the offseason.
by jonnyu on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeppers.
Right now, Savage is the more reliable RB IMO.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About time
As a fan of charles this is the right move .Charles plays the game wreckless and some what cocky.Savage has always gave his all and is happy to make the team.He has played with heart and heart is what it takes!!!Congrats to the little guy who went undrafted and is always giving it his all!
by DT4LIFE on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year schmast year.
The Raiders had one of the worst run defenses last year so the Chiefs obviously had a plan to get the running backs early and often.
Anybody who’s followed the Chiefs this offseason as you have, Joel, should know better than to judge this year by last year. Too many new faces in KC and Oakland, too, for that matter. Based on recent outings, you’d maybe think that the best shot for the Chiefs was to beat ‘em with the pass to open up the run. After what Oakland did to SD up front, you’d maybe think that runnin’ at ‘em wasn’t the wisest course.
Turned out that KC was productive on the ground, for the most part. Defenses still have an unsettling habit of meeting LJ in the backfield on 3rd and short, though.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big Savage fan here
the “macho man” has worked his a$$ off these past 2 years, stayed hungry, and keeps on improving. His short stature allows him to dart through the smallest crease, and for a little guy he runs tough as any back I’ve EVER seen, and has deceptive strength. It takes 2-3 guys to take him down @ times. He’s going to be a huge part of the success of this team now & in the future! CAN YA FEEELLL THA MADNESS??? Ooooooo yeeeaaaahhh!!!!
by reedeasy on Sep 22, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
simple indeed
Here’s the way I look at it: The Raiders had one of the worst run defenses last year so the Chiefs obviously had a plan to get the running backs early and often. With that in mind, why not pack an extra man in that position group? Maybe that thought is too simple in the grand scheme of things but it’s something that crossed my mind on Sunday.
Anyone who watched the Raiders play the Chargers saw a major smash mouth defensive effort and we gotta say Charles probably would have given it up once. Was Haley’s action too drastic, maybe, we’ll see if Charles keeps fumbling or not.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everbody...
We don’t know what we don’t know…yet, but, if Haley holds his players to such “high standards” he’d better get his… stuff… together. looked like poor game management on the play calling side to me.
by 12t on Sep 22, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haley has demoted himself to only OC and QC next week.
He’s giving himself the Bowe Treatment.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey-
haley isnt taking the ball out of the QBs hands on 3rd down and making LJ throw a halfback pass when the game is 9-7!
ZORN could be our head coach – I just threw up.
Give Haley a season guys, who knows, we oculd lose the next 4 games in a row then win the following 10 in a row – ITS FOOTBALL ITS 16 GAMES AND ITS AMAZING. love your chiefs no matter what.
by CHIEFER on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Herm was worse KC coach
Okay—I been watching Chiefs football since 1969. Been a season ticket holder for 23 years and Herm was the worst coach in KC since Tom Bettis and there were plenty of bad ones in between. Give Haley credit. He is looking at film and seeing Charles being tackled by the north wind and fumbling when hit by the south wind. I would love it if Charles was the next Walter Payton but he is on route to becoming the next draft bust of the Herm era. If you love Herm that much— “Get over it”. What you are hoping for== is not reality. Haley is limited when he has shitty talent to work with. It’s not hard to figure out when you watch the rest of the league that KC is limited. There is a reason every NFL media outlet blows off KC when reporting on the NFL.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 23, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Court of Public Opinion, Now Hearing The Case Of Charles v Savage
Plaintiff (Charles) claims rights overturned by HC/OC Haley in favor of Defendant (Savage)
Plaintiff claims no knowledge of rason for demotion (HC/OC Haley non-specific on reasons as is customary)
Defendant has “so-so” day, nothing earth shattering, Plaintiff has no chance to prove his case
Ruling: Plaintiff may or may not have given team better chance to win game, Defendant did nothing out of the ordinary to stand out as clearly better overall than Plaintiff
We’ll never know if Charles might have broken a long run (see: Oakland v Kansas City)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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