Chiefs DE Dorsey Sees Improvement Despite Loss
by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2009 3:42 PM CDT
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I've been hearing less and less people talk about Glenn Dorsey's play on the defensive line, which I'm taking as a good thing. 3-4 defensive ends don't always get the accolades since they're not necessarily focusing on rushing the passer, instead setting up the linebackers to get pressure. So, less stats equal less attention for Dorsey.
Yesterday was sort of a role reversal. Through training camp and preseason, I think a lot of us figured Tyson Jackson would get a handle on the position before Dorsey. In the loss to the Oakland Raiders, though, Dorsey was second on the team with four tackles.
That means the top two tackles in yesterday's game were from the defensive line (Tank Tyler - 7).
Dorsey, like the rest of his teammates, wants the win but still recognizes the progress made.
"Real close, real close," he told reporters after the game. "A play here and a play there at certain times in the game...it's frustrating when you go back and look at it and think 'Oh man, if I would have done this we would have won.'
"We're right there. We're showing improvement and we believe in each other. We're going to get it turned around."
One of Dorsey's comments sounded familiar. "It's the NFL, man - any play can beat you. It was yesterday that really showed that. You've gotta play four quarters and we just didn't do that at the end."
Couldn't you see a Chiefs player making that comment on multiple occasions last year?
One of the questions I've heard making the rounds is why the Chiefs defense seemed to back off on the last drive of the game. Ultimately, those 69 yards that resulted in a Darren McFadden touchdown was the difference maker.
"I don't know," Dorsey said when asked about the defensive sets on the last drive. "I'm pretty sure guys weren't relaxing I guess they were just making great plays and we weren't. At that time of the game, you've gotta step up and make plays and we didn't. Hopefully we can in the near future but we played hard yesterday on both sides.
"A loss is a loss, but I see which way we're going. We're getting better every week."
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Dorsey played his best game as a Chief yesterday. He looks like he’s settling into his new position. If he was 3 inches taller, he probably has a pick 6. Brandon blew an easy pick 6. Either of those are made, this game is a laugher.
No kidding!
Did you see his big ass jump up after that ball. That was SWEET!
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Simply a great athlete who happens to weigh 300 pounds.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Depends on what you mean by "soon."
It mightn’t come together until December, or even next September.
But I liked hearing Dorsey say that, because it echoes what I’m thinking (plus it’s more of the NOT “me-me-me” BS that I dislike). It’s a young team, with a few older veterans whose athleticism mightn’t be top-shelf any more, and a lot of young players, who just need to keep playing smarter. I think they’re amazingly tight, as a unit, on both sides of the ball, considering their youth and the total lack of continuity in personnel in the offseason. You’re with the #1s today, but you’re with the #2s tomorrow. Next day, back with the #1s and there are 5 guys on the #1s tomorrow that weren’t there, today.
That whole “process” helps to establish a standard of play, regardless of who’s on the field at any given time, and it’s going to be a strength in adversity, down the road, but the combo of youth and instability at every position has slowed the rate of, er, ah, …. gelatinization, in the short term. But when it does gel, this is a young, well-conditioned team, that’s going to get stronger over the season, while other teams start to fade. Already saw it Sunday, when Asomugha was dehydrated and left the game, because our guys ran the legs off him.
There were some 3rd-and-very-longs that the Chiefs HIT on offense. Not many, but they’re suddenly capable of gaining 20 yards on 3rd down. There’s no longer a feeling of TOTAL futility, when it’s 3rd and 8 or more. Sure, you’d rather move the chains on 2nd down or be in 3rd and short, but there’s a sense that the passing game CAN beat the other guys, even when they KNOW that’s your intention. Much different from last season.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
chris mcclaster
we need to sign him and let legett go
Colclough before leggett
Leggett makes plays
Colclough provides nothing to the team
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
to be clear, I disagree about McCallister, too
He’s probably not an upgrade.
Sign Justin Miller or trade for Roscoe Parrish to handle the return duties.
but… what’s that have to do with Dorsey?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
McAlister's been worked-out by at least one (and maybe several) team(s).
If he’s not signed, it may just mean there’s too little gas left in the ole tank. Too bad. I really wanted McAlister in the draft.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Agreed 100%
MoLegg ain’t half bad. Just young and needs a bit of seasoning.
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mcclaster
this is what needs to happend sign him let colcough go and sign him and him and legett can rotate it will help dorsey out when he cant get to the qb!!
Because you've posted the same question in multiple posts
That have nothing to do with Chris McAlister.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 21, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
i mean i can understand his point with “helping dorsey” but he keeps saying it over and over even when people reply to his previous posts with good points. it’s like he ignores them. :P
How could you possibly understand his point
How could a nickle CB possibly help a 3-4 DE? I can only imagine the hilarity of putting a CB on the line.
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by Scaryclouds on Sep 21, 2009 4:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A butterfly flaps it's wings on one side of the world
and slightly changes air currents on the other
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I see... better coverage = more time for pressure up front
the opposite is true as well… get more pressure, you’ll make the CB look better overall
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
dorsey
we brought him in to get to the qb and stop the run right?? ok now bring chris in and he should be able with all the blitzing we bring mccallister on
McCalister?
You really think our D-backs are the issue? When you hold a team to 110 yards of offense I’m thinking the offense might want to look in the mirror.
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 21, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
haley
ur right but how come haley doesnt call those plays he did in Arizona thats what i wanna know oh let guess he doesnt have the talent huh??
patience grasshopper
we don’t have last year’s cardinals offense :)
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BINGO!
No Warner, no Fitz, no Boldin, no respectable OL.
This team was previously built on RBs. LJ, Charles, Battle, Savage. Those are our strengths right now. Haley’s playing to our strengths…… vs OAK = 160+ rushing yards. When Cassel gets back to a full 100% I bet we’ll see a lot more boot legs and play action.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 21, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows
Pioli has shown he will continually scout for players. Wade looked decent on Sunday, and it looks like Cassel is developing chemistry with him. I think the team is pretty much set at this point. Now we just need to coach them.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 21, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
but what about our defense why is the middle of the field always open
?
I wouldn’t say it’s constantly open. They did a good job containing OAK, and the mid field was open on the final drive because we were playing a prevent d.
I didn’t get to watch the BAL game, cause I was out of town. Statistically it looked like the d as a whole was soft for that game. Not enough pressure on Flacco resulted in big passing yards.
Besides, if your problem is with the middle of the field being open, why are you advocating for another CB? In the base 3-4 scheme the LBs generally cover the middle of the field.
I think we’re fine with the CBs we have. Flowers and Carr show potential to be one of the best CB tandems in the league. Legett has shown play making ability as a nickel back.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
IT DOESNT MATTER SHIT PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME SO WHATEVER I’M JUST TRYING TO GET A CONVERSATION STARTED WHEREVER SO THATS MY WHOLE THING WE NEED DEFENSE!!! OKAY I DONT CARE IF THIS HAS TO WITH DORSEY WHY IS THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ALWAYS OPEN WHEN THE GAME REALLY COUNTS IT WAS LIKE THAT BOTH GAMES THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED
UH OH
I FEEL A GUPPY TAG COMING ON!!!
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
my fault
okay forget mcallister put in wasington over legett!! our corners need to press more
I'm not sure Washington's ready, just yet, but yeah, Washington has the measurables.
And regarding your remarks (rants) about the wide-open middle, I feel I should admit having problems with that prevent zone. Zone was invented because there were uncoverable track stars appearing in the league as WRs, and corners simply couldn’t match up. That’s fine.
But the purpose of zone is to prevent MEN from doing things, and if you’re just covering an arbitrary patch of ground, you’re NOT in the vicinity of the MAN you want to STOP, unless he comes your way. I figure, if you’re going to spend the extra hat to cover somebody, then go ahead and DOUBLETEAM ‘em. Sure, maybe keep a guy over top and one underneath, but there’s no excuse for leaving a 20-yard completion (before any YAC), because 3 of your guys are playing 10 yards beyond THAT. Especially if there’re only 2 guys in the pattern, and you have 4 or 5 guys back to cover ’em.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Finally a DL?
Oh man, wouldn’t it be great if the Chiefs finally have a good young DL? So many wasted picks from Peterson trying to upgrade the DL (Sims, Siavii, etc.). Granted, Dorsey and Tank were Peterson picks, but a blind 10 year old couldn’t have passed up Dorsey when he fell to us. Tank was not doing well in the 4-3. He’s shown progress as a NT. Hopefully it works out with Tank, cause if not, we’ll have to get a NT from somewhere. I’d rather not draft another DL. God i hope the DL problem is done with.
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 21, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions
I think Tank is starting to look pretty damn good
so is Dorsey. Give T-Jax a bit more time, but he’s looking like he’ll be stout.
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yeah, I think this will be a strong group for years to come
with Magee in the rotation
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Just keep bringing guys in right along.
It’s a strength, but Edwards is nearing the end of his playing years. Gilberry’s looked pretty good, in spots, but he should have to fight for a roster spot, until and uness he starts dominating.
I think Jackson is fun to watch. You can already see that he’s a dominating physical presence. He’s still playing not to make a mistake, rather than to make plays, but that’s pretty much where his head should be, right now.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I am somewhat encouraged by our overall
play yesterday. But what I want to know is why we couldn’t stop a lard ass quarterback who couldn’t hit the ground with his helmet when it counted?
he completed, what 4 passes on that drive?
against a “prevent” defense…
Russel Stover didn’t beat the Chiefs
The Chiefs beat themselves.
If they didn’t get that penalty on Gillberry, they have 4th down, and one play ends the game.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
A few things
1) I watched Jackson, Tank, and Dorsey very closely the entire game (well, as closely as I could from section 318, where my sherpa kept blocking my view).\
Tank and Dorsey were in the backfield all the freakin’ time – when the Raiders ran to their right, Dorsey would shoot the the B gap, and was quick enough moving laterally down the line to tackle the RB from the side/from behind…and one time (this is my favorite play from yesterday) the Raiders were in an I-formation, and ran up the middle for only one yard – because Tank Tyler hit the fullback two yards behind the line of scrimmage.
I am VERY excited about our defensive line, because of the three guys’ versatility – one one play, Jackson and Dorsey might play 2-gap, and both draw double teams, while Tank shoots one of the A-gaps…on the next play, Tank plays 2-gap, Dorsey shoots the B gap, Jackson shoots the C gap, and Mays bliztes the left B gap. It’s pretty cool to watch.
2) The “late hit” on Jamarcus the Hutt on the last drive changed 3rd and 17 to 1st and 10, and was absolutely the silliest call I have ever seen in pro football. How were our defenders supposed to tackle him? Run over and pat his fat ass?
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 21, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Tank Tyler and Glenn Dorsey were impressive.
…granted it is against the Raiders, but I like what I see from those two. I didn’t really notice Tyson Jackson doing much of anything yesterday, but he’s a rookie and far ahead of where Tank & Dorsey were their rookie years.
I was there too....
Oh hurt so bad to lose, but I am with you. Jackson has been the least impressive IMO….but thats to be expected. He has the build, and he will struggle his rookie year. With McGee and maybe another young NT candidate (Edwards I beleive is getting old? Anyone know how old he is?) I see this line wreaking havok in 2 years, with next year being good.
The problem I see right now on D is the linebackers. The 3-4 needs speed and talent at the linebacker spots, and we can be happy with mays and beisel all we want, but for a team to be a playoff contender we need more talent than they possess. I think Hali has done better than anyone expected him to, and the opposing team has to account for his rush, but he will be a liability in coverage for this year, hopefully tightening that up in the offseason. Vrabel…while extremely valuable to this defense, has lost a step IMO. We need one more year out of him as a coach on the field as we bring in young talent. I think the D as a whole will progress and show up week in and week out. We are some LB and possibly safety (we will see how morgan progresses) from being pretty solid.
Actually, Hali's the biggest, slowest starting LB.
And I think that, in general, your 3-4 LBs run bigger than in the 4-3. Hali’s basically an upright DE, and OLB on the other side is also more about stout than speed. Nice to have both, but you want your most athletic LBs on the inside, and so maybe you have a point about Mays-Beisel at SILB. The “athletes” in the corps are the WILB, and that’s what KC has – athletic types.
I think this D was built for 2 of the 4 LBs to mainly play BIG and attack up the field. I fully expected to see some variant on the 5-man pass rush to be an EVERY down affair. I don’t particularly care for a long string plays in a row with LBs back in coverage. It’s dumb. You’re giving up the mismatch in space to a skill player on offense, rather than trying to dominate the line of scrimmage and the offensive backfield.
KC got LBs who are stouter-than-average, but have them playing a lot of defensive back. I don’t understand it, and I don’t like it. If you’re planning to send 4 all day, then go ahead and run the nickel, and get a better cover guy on the field than ANY damn LB. If your LB’s gonna be covering, then let him get his hands on the TE or RB at the LOS – I call it “supply side” defense. Make sure you’re blowing up the O-Backfield every play, and let your secondary play like they expect the O-Backfield to get blown up.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Besides
If we go 5-11 or 6-10 this year, we’ll probably be picking in the #6-10 range in the draft, which is a perfect spot to take, you guessed it, a pass-rushing 3-4 OLB (the player formerly known as a 4-3 RDE)
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The reason is..
Your already putting more speed on the feild by having your Rush Lb loss weight (hali) to bring more speed. The reason they dont play the nickel the whole time, The other team would run all over us. Also, you only want 1 maybe 2 LB to be stout like Hali. You want the other three to be able to stop the run and the pass.
by dougritchey on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That call's been ragged at extensively.
I like your look at the trenches. That’s for later this week with the DVR. I was watching where the ball went and what happened, and not zeroed-in on the matchups and line play. Cool stuff. Thx.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I don't remember exactly when
but I’m pretty sure the play where Tank hit the FB was in the 2nd quarter. It was awesome
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
"Jamarcus the Hutt" :D
ROFL
About the Chiefs: I'd rather be a realist than a pessimist
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 21, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions
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