Chiefs Coach Haley Takes Blame for Offensive Breakdowns
by Joel Thorman on Sep 20, 2009 4:36 PM CDT
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PrintKansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley holds his players accountable for everything. It's been his calling card since the Chiefs hired him seven months ago.
Today, however, he took responsibility for the breakdown at the end of the first half.
With 14 seconds remaining in the first half, the Chiefs lined up with no timeouts. They were inside the 20 so field position wasn't an issue.
Matt Cassel took the snap and threw into the flat to Dantrell Savage, who failed to get out of bounds leaving the clock running and the Chiefs not enough time to spike the ball and stop the clock.
"These are plays that we use and practice all the time," Haley explained. "In my terminology, it’s an out of bounds or incomplete situation. If the ball is completed it must be out of bounds or if not, the ball has to be incomplete whether it’s intentionally dropped or not thrown.
"That’s stuff that can’t happen. I called the play, we got tackled in bounds, ultimately it’s my responsibility."
When asked whether he coached smart today, he said, ""How the half ended, I’d say no because I’m the leader of this football team and when you have the ball in an area where you can score points and you don’t get points it’s going to fall on me. So, I’d say no."
The Chiefs missed out on a field goal opportunity which was also the difference in the game.
Haley also addressed the Chiefs use of two timeouts in the first quarter. Apparently, there were some communication issues.
"Us not being a smart football team and we’ve got to be better because when you use timeouts early in a game like that it usually comes back to haunt you some way or another," Haley told reporters. "We can’t do it. To me, one of my top three things here is to have an intelligent team (it’s at the top of the list). That includes all of the coaches and players. We didn’t show that today."
And if that wasn't enough evidence that he doesn't make excuses, then there's this: "I’m not going to make excuses. We have methods to get plays called that we didn’t get done. We have all the technology in the world and we didn’t get it done."
Watch the Todd Haley press conference here.
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today’s loss points to bad coaching, right or wrong.
penalties, poor clock management and mental errors do not equal a well coached team…at least not today
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Dont forget defensively.
Last week Clancys blitzed when he shouldnt have and this week he doesnt blitz when he should have. Wasn’t the only reason we lost but if they want to break the games into situation well then losing that one situation lost us the game.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Today's loss actually points to
the fact that KC is not that good of a football team. Last week we had 0 turnovers and 1 penalty.. this week 2 turnovers and 9 penalties… I can’t really blame that entirely on coaching.. the players we have stink…
With all due respect, I disagree ...
Good coaching leads to players who play in a “contained” manner – ie, fewer penalties, fewer turnovers, fewer mistakes … part of those can, of course, be attributed to the Loyal Oppositon (in this case, Oakland) … but remember that these are (in theory) the players that Haley/Pioli want – their type of players
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I'll disagree again with that...
Herm Edwards teams with the Jets were the least penalized… he comes to KC and they were the most penalized. So all of a sudden he went from being a good coach to a bad coach? No way.. that’s talent.
Seeing as how...
1st year was with Vermiel’s team and 2 and 3 were with his own draft picks and accumulated talent during his tenure then yes that is bad coaching..
by butchcassidy on Sep 20, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
firetodd.com?
I dont see why all these post against Haley…I mean right there puts faith in him. I have a lot of respect for Haley and this just added to it most coaches dont put stuff like that on themselves. Its only week 2 guys keep your chins up anything can happen. I know this has been a bad day for us as Chiefs fans but believe me we have a lot of good days ahead until then stay strong and Geaux Chiefs!
agreed
I am by no means anti-haley
but, he’s taking responsibility for the loss, and rightfully so.
better days are ahead, but it just hurts now
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
It's not Haley's fault
that’s he’s asked to make chicken salad out of chicken terd
Agreed on firetodd.com
That’s ridiculous.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 20, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Turth is, there's plenty of blame to go around
mistakes on offense, defense, play calling, special teams and probably beer vendors, too
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
The best team lost today...
Today…the best team lost. That is a sure fire sign of a bad team.
I was VERY impressed with a defense for like 3 quarters. I thought the Chiefs played better today than last week. It just makes me sick to my stomach…I don’t remember a more gut wrenching loss for me…this decade.
I am just sick.
Thenk You, Mr Haley ... so does this mean that Haley will be ...
… demoted to 2nd String until he works harder to get it right?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 20, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Bill Muir aka "Hermann Munster" will coach the Chiefs in Iggle week :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 20, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Third string
but he’ll see some action next week.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
I also
kind of put that on Savage also he should of realized he was blanketed and purposely dropped the pass
Doesn't it take time to teach football IQ
If you took in a buch of players that don’t know how to win, close out games, or have good football IQ in general…
You would like to think that once the QB gets a feel for the offense, if communications are not working, he will be able to call the play himself and not waste a timeout.
Haleys taking the blame but how he describes it theres no way the end of the half is his fault.
Every player on the field knows the situation and knows its an “incomplete or out of bounds” play and they didnt execute it. Cassel shouldve thrown it away or Savage shouldve knocked it down or got out of bounds(which he couldve had he reached out). The only thing I question from haley is going for it on 4th down with 35 seconds left and no time outs. Shouldve kicked the FG then and been done with it.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
What were you gaining by running an out pattern to
the RB from the 14 yard line anyway? Say he does get out of bounds, you are still kicking the field goal. You wouldn’t have had time to take another shot at the endzone. Is the difference between a 35 yard field goal and 29 yard that big of a deal?
Should have been a shot at the TD or thrown away IMO
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 20, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yeppers.
Throw a fade or something and if that doesn’t work, the clock stops and you have time to take the FG.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 20, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You said it.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
But, I will say in these types of situations...
You can’t assume that the rest of the game would have played out the same way if you would have kicked a field goal. Play calling in the second half may have been completely different for both teams. You can’t assume that everything that happened after that point would have been the same.
LOL
That always cracks me up. But none the less, we would be better off with that 3 at the end of the half
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
I know, right.
Like decisions later wouldn’t have been different.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
I thought the first rule of coaching was to always take the points?
ALWAYS. Even retards playing Madden know this.
Guess it’s a process, huh?
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
That's the way to man up
And put the burden where it should be. No matter who’s fault it is…it’s Haley’s fault since he’s the top dog. Now I just want to see them go back to work and be a little better next week.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Sep 20, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Haley's right to take the blame
for several reasons. The first is “the buck stop here” attitude. But I think it also brings into question where we stand on a QB coach. I’m not too worried about him as a Head Coach/O-coordinator, but I am concerned that he’s the QB coach as well. I don’t see how he can coach the QBs enough and do his other jobs. I hope he has delegated that in fact if not in name. But Cassel’s play today brings that into question.
I think his play was more evident of not having played in a real game
since last year. Most mistakes were just poor judgement. That will hopefully improve with more game time. Better learn to slide though.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
I won't discount rust
but I am still concerned. If we had a “senior” QB group, like Philly let’s say, QB coaching would not be as precious. But we have a very young QB group and I think they need someone working with them full time. I can’t help but wonder if Cassel would have made some of those mistakes with a full time QB coach prepping him.
He hasnt played one snap in this offense.
Since Chan got the boot. You could tell from the miscues that he had especially burning timeouts that came back to haunt us in the first half.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
people always wanted
Herm to take the heat, stand up and say I made a mistake…Haley has done that in week 2.
The worst part about this isnt that we're 0-2 its that the dysfunctional donkeys could be 3-0 after next week.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I do
have some worries about how this team is being coached right now, but I’m trying to remember that Haley is as inexperienced as our team. It will take some time.
Not Haley's Fault
To all who think it was Haley’r fault. The responsibility on that play is on Cassel. The ball should have been thrown away. Savage was covered.
You
do
not
throw
that
ball.
But you don’t get into the redzone with 14 seconds without taking a shot at the end zone.
Cassel should have thrown it away. Period.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
but
The boss is the boss and everything an employee does is the boss’s fault. I’ve been the boss for a lot of years. You can never ever lay the blame on someone else. You can never ever let someone get away with making a mistake either. There will be some serious talking going on about this situation in the next couple of days.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Haley said that he called the out pattern to the RB.
What was going to happen if he did complete it and get out of bounds? Kick field goal still. If you are saying Cassell should have ignored his coach and went to the endzone anyway, then OK. If that was a check down, then I’ll give it to you, Cassel made a mistake. But, Haley indicated that the out to the RB was the primary target.
Right
but he was covered and too far from the endzone. The play was designed to get a TD…when Cassel saw the back could not get into the end zone he should have thrown it away.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 20, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We lost
because of stupid penalties, turnovers and poor defensive coverage on the final Raider drive. Don’t talk about Clancy and if he should have blitzed or not…
If the D would have covered Oakland’s shitty wide outs and not allowed them to catch passes from Russel, one of the worst QB I have EVER seen play in the NFL, they wouldn’t have lost.
Russel had no business leading that drive. The D choked.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
You have to put them in a position to cover the WR.
Playing a 4 deep zone as we did at the end of the game does fall on Clancy.
Haley is a good coach
We’ll be fine. Be patient. A tough and unacceptable loss, but I believe as we go forward, the team will make steady progress. The failure to down the punt inside the five yard line was the hardest. It would be hard for me not to cut Beisel. Unforgiveable.
It was a mistake
but a long way from cut-worthy. Again, it only cost us 20 yards. There were several mistakes you could point to that cost us points. IMO you’d have to cut them before you get to Beisel. Make him run laps but don’t cut him, at least not for one play.
Then another two years
won’t kill you.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
well
I’ve been patient for 40 years now. You ain’t even started yet.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
champions back then...
23-7 in the super is good enough, just ask Minnesota.
by matriculatin' on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree
Even after two picks, we were still leading in the 4th qtr. Zone coverage with no pressure on the QB lost the game. Same as it did in the 90s.
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