Story Lines from the Kansas City Chiefs 13-10 Loss to the Oakland Raiders
by Joel Thorman on Sep 20, 2009 3:19 PM CDT
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PrintIn a game that tests your team devotion, the Kansas City Chiefs lost to the Oakland Raiders 13-10. It's the third consecutive game the Raiders have won in Arrowhead Stadium.
Two things we learned:
- This offense can put up decent numbers but, for a variety of reasons, can not score touchdowns
- The defense breaks down in the most critical of situations.
Yeah, there were some good moments on both sides of the ball. Ultimately, though, the Chiefs only had three points on the board until 2:38 left in the game.
Frustrating is the way to describe it. Here are a few notes on the game:
The Return of Matt Cassel
If it weren't for the Chiefs loss, Matt Cassel's return would be the story. He made a couple of mistakes to Michael Huff, one of which was in Raider territory.
He completed 24/39 passes for 241 yards and a touchdown.
With 2:38 seconds to play in regulation, and Stanford Routt in for Nnamdi Asomugha, Cassel hit Dwayne Bowe 29 yards down the field for his first touchdown pass as a Kansas City Chief. If it weren't for the defensive breakdown on the next Raiders possession, that would have won the game.
LJ's Big Day
Some will tell you it was the offensive line, and to a degree it was, but the LJ of old returned today. He made defenders missed and brought back his trademark bulldozer style of running.
Still, though, it wasn't enough. He rushed 24 times for 78 yards, which comparatively speaking, aren't amazing numbers but they represent and upgrade for the Chiefs running game.
Penalties
Count me as one of the folks that did not see this coming.
After committing just three penalties last week, they drew a flag on nine occasions.
The good news is that the Raiders weren't much better. The Raiders last drive had three penalties alone. In the whole game, the Raiders committed seven penalties.
JaMarcus Russell Is Not Very Good
One of the most frightening realities for the 2009 Raiders: JaMarcus Russell's 12/30 performance last week is his most accurate game of the season.
Today he completed 7/24 passes.
Seriously. Look at his career stats. Hitting less than 50% of his receivers is not uncommon.
In the first half, he threw a wounded duck after being hit by Mike Brown. Of course, Zach Miller dropped it.
Down Goes Waters
It's no big deal now - but Brian Waters went down in the second half. He was helped up by trainers and limped off under his own control.
Good news: He was back just a few plays later.
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Defense didnt breakdown in critical moments.
Thats garbage. The refs broke down on the most critical drive of the game.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Hell the refs were awful all day putting us in bad spots all day.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Now it's official:
We suck.
I was encouraged by what I saw in Baltimore, but this game just showed what we’re in for this year. I think we’re looking at another 2-14 season.
That roughing the passer was a bad call
when you get a positive play such as a sack and get a weak call like that it takes a bit from you. Nevertheless the turnovers is what killed us. Cassel did a great job of keeping drives alive with his feet but the 2nd pick was a bad throw. He could have been picked a few more times.
Would''ve been 3rd and 18 or 19 on their 33.
Not to mention after that three missed holding/hands to the face whatever you want to call it in a row on Hali. Just awful.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
it was a bad play by gilberry russell was down and he did something dumb
by Bestofthewest on Sep 20, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
how do you figure? the QUARTERBACK was on the ground and two guys dove on him.
You can’t do that. Period. It might be a bad rule, but its the rule
this is true
but at the same time it was a dumb decision, not bad defense. that would have stopped a drive that ended up in a touchdown. Defense didn’t fail – played really well. 4 potential interceptions dropped lol…. could easily be 2-0 with a couple good breaks (and chargers could easily be 0-2)
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Baltimore
was a fluke game the other way. We’re not as good on offense as that game led us to believe. The blocked punt and INT return made us seem better.
Thsi game is the opposite. We’re better than it looked. Holding calls are subjective and the offsides penalties will nto be as rampant. We’re not as good as we looked last week on offense, or as bad as we looked this weeek.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet the defense found a way to make Russell a winner
well done indeed
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Gotta give Cassel credit today..........
He helped keep the raiders in it, threw a few balls that left me scratchin my head and cussin.
by mcclanahanman on Sep 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Also threw the best pass of the last three years
on the Bowe TD.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but
it doesn’t matter if you throw a great touchdown vs. 2 picks and a bad decision that costs you points.
But
then, if he’d thrown the picks, the defense had held (as they did once), and we had won, would the picks have been okay? He needs to improve, but that’s his first game. His first game, with a terrible receiving corp, and he still produced more than any other QB we’ve had. Those mistakes will disappear.
Rmemeber, people called Trent TR-INT his first year in KC, including me.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle did a better job last week
Against a Better D. Come on man. Our new #2 looks better than Bradley so far.
No Picks against Baltimore
2 Picks against Oakland almost 3
I’ll keep my mouth shut for now on Cassel but I expected a lot more.
by mcclanahanman on Sep 20, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Brodie
was also playing his mind out not to make a mistake. Haley pretty clearly told Cassel to gun it. He forced it. I admit that. I can see where you’re coming from.
but come on, that first down run where he got the first and popped up and made the first down motion? The bomb to Bowe? The way he kept his cool in the pocket? There was a lot to like.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel's not a guy
That you can depend on to win the game, dude looks like a statue back there at times. He is mobile no doubt, croyle or guit could have hit that bomb to Bowe. He wasn’t always keeping his cool in the pocket, there was twice where he was panicking, once because he held the ball too long because he was lookin at the rush.
both picks were pretty passes too looked like he was throwing em right to a raider, the third time he did that the raider just couldn’t hold onto it.
Cassel is not the second coming of Dawson, or Green, he’s going to have to be a game manager, I won’t be surprised to see Croyle Starting more than 4 games the rest of this season, if Cassel doesn’t show up the next 2 weeks.
by mcclanahanman on Sep 20, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
There was the key mistake at the end of the half in not getting at least 3.
If we have that. I think we find a way to win in OT.
Should have never gone to ot offense let the defense down all game yet again I doubt we only win 2 games but might want to cut back on the 6-8 games predictions. We are getting slightly better but still got a long ways to go
The home opener was the best shot at a respectable start.
This hurts.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
we needed this game to get to our 6-8 win predictions for sure
On the flipside…Philly got smoked today. Maybe we can steal one next week at Philly and make it up.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 20, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, Russell hit 7/24...
And they won.
I would settle for Matt Cassel rushing for -24 yards, throwing three picks, breaking both legs and wearing a Donco’s cheerleader uniform… as long as we win.
I am so depressed.
Hard to swallow this one.
After the Bowe TD, I was thinking ALL RIGHT!!!
Defense sent 4 to get that last drive of Oakland’s started. The sack on Russell and the game was ours. The late hit on Gilberry was questionable, but them’s the breaks. This D isn’t mindful of the screen and it isn’t getting enough athletes into the QB’s grille. A mobile QB will torch ’em.
This was a very winnable game and they gave JaMarcus Russell enough time to throw!!??
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
That's short sighted
and will lead to, at best, a 9-7 exit in the first round of the playoffs. Which is not what we want. We want a championship. And those are not built overnight.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
whatever
thats was a digusting performance period by all parties including those asshole refs!
A good team makes those refs irrelevant.
Winning in virtually every statistical category should translate into wins for a team that’s as desperate for wins as this one.
Some bright spots, especially by the D, but a lot of their early success against the pass was Russell’s ineptitude or the ineptitude of a receiver. I thought Miller mailed this one in. Against a better QB, this game would’ve looked a lot more like the Ravens game.
Good to see them MOSTLY containing the run game, but at the key moment, when KC has a chance to show a dominating win, somebody lets down.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad football teams find ways to lose games they should win
Don’t blame this on the refs.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 20, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
QUIT BLAMING THE REFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
it was a late hit.
He wasnt down.
So how can it be late?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The officiating was bad ALL DAMN DAY!
And I don’t see how it’s a late hit if the player wasn’t touched prior.
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a good point.
And it didn’t look like Gilberry was trying to nail him. Kinda trying to lay off after he’d already started falling.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
This isn't powder puff. If Fatty McFatterson can't take the hit, he needs to find a new job.
I hear the CFL is an option.
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If it was McFadden laying there, and player dove on him
would penelty been called? I don’t think so. He didn’t spear him and the QB didn’t hook slide. So, it was fair game. That is what they teach the players to do.
Got to remember the newest 'Brady' rule
After Pollard hit Brady low, they looked at the rules to protect the QB’s even more.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
But, there is no rule that says you cant dive on the qb.
Everything that was done was within the rules.
Well they said that they were going to review
The rules for hitting the QB during the offseason, and then also during the game if you remember the reasoning for the call by the announcers was that they ‘lunged’ at the QB.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't dive on him
I’m pretty sure no damage was done to Russell. That was in no way a cheap hit. And the idiot TV commentators need to understand the rules, the lunge call/Brady rule doesn’t apply to a QB on the ground.
True, but that doesn't make it a penalty
It would have to be either late or excessive. Gilberry’s was neither. Like I said when it happened, the Refs will be getting dinged by the league office for that call. I’d be willing to put money on that.
how????
how was that a late hit , he was never touch down that was one of the worst calls i ever seen in my life
No, just a very sneaky Raider tactic, tackling the QB with your own offensive lineman.
Nobody saw THAT one coming!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 20, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why don't you guys talk about the blown coverage or bad tackling or the bad time management?
instead of being whiny little bitches and blaming the refs.
Don't you know, Zach? It was the REFS' fault ...
… that KC did NOT kick a FG just before end of 1st Half
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Amen
That seems like a true mark of inexperience to me. You gotta get that field goal at the end of the half.
Yeah, why didn't Cassel take a chance throwing into the endzone?
If it’s incomplete, you kick the FG. I didn’t get that at all.
Overall, the team played well. We dominated Oakland in every phase of the game. The difference is, they made the plays when they needed to and we didn’t. Didn’t Oakland have less than 200 yards of offense for the whole day? I’d say that shows our defense has improved by leaps and bounds.
Our defense destroyed their run game and our O had them on their heels all day. Cassel is going to be one helluva QB. Wade seems to be a nice addition too.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 20, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Know what? It's impossible to rationalize with people like you.
Penalties and turnovers are what killed this team. I’d say half the penalties against us were BS.
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course you would.
You dont want to blame the people that were responsible for the loss, you want to blame others.
Lets make the refs the scapegoat, then we can leave the game and being assholes and say stupid shit about the game like we know what we are talkin about, then we could get a referee doll on a stick and beat it up the parking lot.
love the idea! we could make MILLIONS all over in every league city!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Fact is, a good team overcomes those things.
This team isn’t that good, yet.
You can see that they can accomplish some good things. Wade looked pretty convincing in the regular offense. Some miscues, but probably better than Bradley. Sorry, Bradley.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 20, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Like I said
Not an excuse for the D not getting off the field but the Chiefs win if the ref doesnt blow that call
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
a team shouldn't have to overcome injustice
instant replay on every down is inevitable – unless vegas controls the league.
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no way
it wasnt like he led with his helmet or anything im sorry but if you call that a roughing the passer penality you might as well put flags on them
Bad omen
If we won this I would think we had some momentum heading into the next stretch of games, with this loss we could be looking at a zero win season, when things go bad a lot of times they just get worse.
certainly not this year
until we’ve purged just about everyone from the previous regime out of the organization
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
I don't think you can blame Herm and Carl for the failure to get a FG in 1st Half
Nor can you reasonably blame them for 2 INTs or Oakland driving the length of the field in just over 1 minute at end of 4th
We’re just not all that great right now, period … we looked a LOT better than last week, but then too, we were playing The Raiders, and they’re not very good, either … we need to find ways to score, period
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Clumsiness at the end of the 1st half in consecutive games.
That’s a reflection on the HC.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I didn't get to WATCH but I did listen to Mitch and Len ... and niether of them said ...
… that it was a “bad call” … it was what it was: a late hit … Mitch commented how late it was, that Russell was down and Gilberry should have jumped OVER the pile instead of ON it
that said, that ONE PLAY didn’t necessarily cost us the game … IMNSHO, we should have gone for a FG at end of 1st Half … if we had, we’d all be watching OT right now
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
It wasn’t a late hit, it was a roughing the passer since Gilberry ‘dived/lunged’ at Jrock when he was on the ground. He was NOT down, hit ran into his own man, fell down, the play is still alive. There was NO pile, Jrock was the only one on the ground.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You didn't see it
but your commenting on it?
Here you go then, Russel fell over his own lineman, no Chief touched him and in the NFL, that means he can get back on his feet and continue the play.
If the play was blown dead, then that would have been a late hit, the play was still live, hence a BS call.
But it still didn’t cost us the game. A game full of ineptitude cost us the game.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
I actually never noticed if they blew the whistle
did the ref’s blow the play dead?
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It was called a sack AND THEN the flag for a late hit - that's what I distinctly HEARD
And then too, Holthus and Dawson do have the advantage of instant replay in their booth, and they BOTH commented that it was, indeed, a late hit
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Not a sack
until someone touches him down. Russel fell over his own lineman’s foot as he was stepping up to avoid the rush. He fell beside Tank who jumped onto him from the left side & Gilberry (who he stepped forward to avoid) dove onto him from behind. He didn’t lead with his helmet but perhaps the referree thought that a Chief had knocked Russel down rather than him tripping over his own lineman in which case it would have been a late hit.
I was really surprised that some here on AP were saying the Chiefs were a .500-or-better team, and that this wasn’t going to be a rebuilding year. I said they’re more like 5-11, and even that might have been a little optimistic.
This team is still a little ways away from competing, even in this terrible division. It takes time to clean up the Carl and Lamar mess, and that timeline is generally slowed when (A) making a major change to the defensive scheme, (B) shelling out picks for so-so talents like Cassel and Jackson, and © having the first draft of the rebuilding effort take place in one of the weakest drafts in recent history.
Just be a little more realistic, fellas. This team is headed in the right direction, but there’s a lot of bad to be undone.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 20, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
No question KC's competitive in the division.
But they need to get the wins.
Oakland pushed San Diego around and lost. KC pushed Oakland around and lost. Chiefs are definitely competitive. question is “Are they winners?” So far, they’re not.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I mean competitive for the division title. I don’t think KC’s going to compete well enough to contend for that, even though the division winner could well have a losing record this season.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
We lost. Stop making excuses. We sucked. We do suck.
Cassel was not that good today, he made a great throw when it counted, but he chucked the ball down far too often, missed short passes, and was very hesitant. Other than the one great play I was not impressed.
Can you guys imagine how bad we would have looked if this was a decent QB we were playing against?
Russel kept us in the game by being so awful, he did more for us than we did for ourselves.
Haley needs to figure out a way to win or his hardass yelling ways are going to backfire in a hurry. Being treated like a moron might be ok if it is being covered up with wins, but if youre being treated like a POS and losing, they will have to wonder what the point is. This season could be really bad, I am thinking about cancelling my Sunday ticket.
And honestly, Im tired of the ref excuses. They made some horrible calls, but a good team does not let other factors determine if theyre going to win a game. Good teams find a way to win. Period. We clearly are not a good team. We do not even appear to be a decent team. Haley and Piloi so far have done zero to turn this team around so far.
To Pioli-
Dorsey came into camp out of shape, he has sucked so far this preseason-
SHOP HIM AROUND!!!
LOOK FOR A GOOD YOUNG RT FOR DORSEY!!!
DO IT NOW!!!
It’s no wonder we stink we get our leaders confused with 2nd or 3rd string de’s frankly there was no need for it everyone knows how the league is now back in the old days which I’d love to see it like yes thats nothing but in this new league with someone down you dont just hop ontop of them
Thats bs and you know it.
This is tackle football.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Sep 20, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can't beat the Raiders at home...
…who can you beat? My expectations are officially packed away till spring (the draft). This team will be lucky to win three games. Haley will melt down…
Sad but,
That is exactly how Im feelin right now. Losing to the Faders at home is a really bad sign.
I want K.C. Wolfs' job!
ok
I think people get that we “suck”
can we move on to the next topic about the team
OK...how about
which comes first….Thanksgiving or the Chiefs first win of the year?
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
i try to bepositive
go look at the titans history, prior to going 11-5, tell me how they were doing that season after getting beat by 40, coming back to have a decent record after a slow start, then the 11-5 year
yeah, we've got just as much talent as they did
please
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
wow
cant believe how many jumped off the haley bandwagon….Ill be there till I see a reason to leave it.
I have faith they will turn it around
lol, no one cares....
you’re delusional if you think anyone of here cares how loyal you are. I thought Haley made some mistakes but he certainly didn’t lose this game for us.
please just keep the he said she said. I’m so awesome because I’m so loyal to yourself. NO ONE CARES
I don't want no Yo-Yos
No real need for this kind of comment...
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 SD Chief
I saw a lot of improvement this week. Cassel will get better once he gets settled in and we dominated the Raiders in nearly every aspect of the game. We just didn’t win.
Let’s hope Kolb is still starting for Philly next week. He played horribly today.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 20, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs = New Raiders
They found lots of ways to lose this game:
penalties
dumb timouts
bad plays
missed opportunities
dropped passes
KC did more to beat ourselves than Oakland did to beat us. Lets please not be encouraged by this. Its not ok. We played like the raiders teams of old that we loved to play because we knew they would find ways to lose the game. Today we found lots of ways…
I don't want no Yo-Yos
Very disappointing
We beat the Raiders up and down the field all day and shot ourselves in the foot whenever we passed the 50 yard line. I cannot believe we lost this game. We held their offense to a crazy low total yards number until we started playing the prevent and stopped attempting to blitz Russell on that last drive. I blame Pendergast for this loss. Why stop doing what works? They drove down the field in a minute and a half after they couldn’t do crap all day. BTW, the Gilberry penalty was very questionable, along with the Wade block in the back, but the other 8 penalties cost us the game more than those. I am left scratching my head and wondering what kind of team we have this year. I predicted 6-10, but hell I just want to get out of the top 5 in the draft next year aafter this debacle. Very demoralizing and it makes me wonder how many blackouts there will be in KC now.
Talent-wise, I still see a .500 team.
But they need to string some wins together to realize even that modest win percentage.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
My question is...
Why were all the backup guys playing on defense on the last Raider drive??? Gilberry should not have even been playing.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 20, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
A team should play well enough...
that a few bad calls shouldn’t cost them the game. What I saw today looked exactly like how we’ve played the last two years. I hate to say it, but I’m sorry: there’s no way around it. I still have hope that we have the right staff in place, but there was no excuse for today. We suck.
The play calling at the end of the first half was inexcusable. How do you not call a play that puts you in the endzone or at the very least stops the clock?
Cassel screwed that one up
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say
that if they have that outlet pass built into the route, Haley has to tell Cassel, “Do NOT throw to the checkdown unless he’s on the sideline.”
Or, in Haley speak, “THROW TO HIM BEFORE HE’S ON THE SIDELINE AND I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU AND YOUR FUCKING PETS, DO YOU HEAR ME SHITFUCK?”
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the play was called
Fuck you 82 shit 49 damn bitch
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There's the problem!
It should have been the old Bastard 81 Eat Shit and Die Left Crossdress 22
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
His first game running Todd's offense too
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I am still amazed no one has blamed Herm for the end of the half
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Some have ... not on this string, but a diff post, they have
along the lines of “we’ll never win til we purge all the old playeers from last year” crap
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
The point with the penalty is this
We can accept that bad calls are going to happen. And yes, we should be able to overcome them, but we’re getting there. The point is that it took fluke things like the penalties and that particularly bad penatly for them to beat us. We dominated on both sides of the ball, and lost because of some flukes.
If Oakland depends on what happened today to get them through, they’re going to end up in the same place they’v been since the SB run, in the garbage can, with no hope of improvement.
Alternately, we showed that we can produce yardage, an aggressive, balanced offense with passing and running, and a defense that can get pressure and make plays. We blew a few things and had a random number of things go against us.
Sorry if i’m not ready to jump off a bridge.
This is still a better prepared, better coached, and better performing team than we’ve had since Vermeil left.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
...that still can't win a football game
so talking about improvement is like admiring the paint job on the Titanic
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
So if things were reversed
and we’d won, but looked like Raider Ass, you’d be happy? What are the odds if we play that game out with the same stats and the way things looked that the RAiders win 5 out of 10 times?
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
And no. I would be happy to get the win but that is it. We have a tough time going into the next few games. I think we see Garcia next week
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And if Chokeland had lost, they would be pointing to the phantom facemask.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
It wasnt a phantom
The CBS crew just blew. It was a defensive lineman on an offensive lineman
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
Of course, last week I said that KC can’t rely on things like blocked punts and 70 yd INT returns to win games … and half of AP replied :“well hell, that’s part of the game, we almost won, see how great we are? the only thing that matters is the scoreboard and we were SO CLOSE to the Mighty Ravens so we MUST be good”
We had no business being in that game last week … and we had no business losing today’s game
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Pretty much.
Chiefs found a way to lose.
About the only bright spot is they did a pretty good job up front. Want to see more pressure against the QB, more blitz, but shut down the run and ran successfully on the other side of the ball.
Still a late game collapse by the defense, and we can’t blame time of possession, this time.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
This is the game they should have blitzed at the end...
Last week we had a QB that was playing well and it was a gamble he would burn you deep. But, Russell couldn’t hit anyone all day. I would have took my chances wit pressure in his face and letting him burn me deep. I know it is easy to say after the game.
by vincent2668 on Sep 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was OK with the blitz against Flacco, but it needs to GET there!
Send 5 or 6, at least, when it’s clear that Russell’s getting time to set and throw. Doesn’t take a WHOLE lot of pressure to create very poor passes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
You could have brought the house and left the CBs one on one. He wasn't going to drop
anything in and burn you deep.
god
some of you people have to get your eyes checked look at the total yards and time of possesion it was so lopsided it looks like the raiders didnt have the ball . thennnnn scroll down to penalties and turnovers and that was where the game was one. casselll first int was on him dumb throw and bad route . the second i dont blame him too much its a shot down the field and was the right pass and read just missed by a second .
Bottom line is...we could move the ball all day but we couldn't score...
to me that points out the lack of playmakers on Offense. Other than Bowe and we hope Cassel; there are not big time players that you can turn to when you need a big play. Before you say LJ, I don’t think he is that person any more.
So let’s recap:
Larry Johnson is looking more and more like end-of-career Eddie George, 3.25yds/carry and all.
Matt Cassel isn’t Tom Brady, but if he can get to where he’s completing better than just one pass over 50% of his passes, he might be able to drive a bus. That would, of course, require building a pretty decent bus, which KC does not currently have.
The WRs are, um…lacking.
Tony Gonzalez is one hell of a football player.
If and when this team gets good on defense, the DBs are the only area that has the personnel to not be the limiting factor.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
Pass rush
was effective. And our run defense is STOUT. V. impressed with Dorsey today.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess the rush defense was pretty good, considering whom they were facing. That’s probably as good a positive as one’s going to find right now.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
the o-line
isn’t bad and Russel is at least mobile and strong (for a fatass). That o-line did a great job against San Diego last week, and we played them just as well.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody
Post a Chief highlight or something please!? I feel like crying. I just wanna win WWAAAAHHHH! lol
I want K.C. Wolfs' job!
How about offering a little insight? I want to hear more than "we suck."
How about I give it a shot? We aren’t a good team right now. We need more defensive line players, coverage linebackers, offensive linemen that can pass/run block, and tight ends. However, I see a DRASTIC improvement over last year’s team. The coaching is better overall, the conditioning is better, the playcalling is better (for the most part).
We dominated on offense and defense. Penalities and turnovers are what cost the game. These are aspects of the game which can be addressed and fixed. I see an incredibly bright future as long as we continue to improve and upgrade. I am highly disappointed…but I’m still keeping the future in mind.
Our 3rd down conversion percentage was better both on offense and defense. We just need to learn how to not shoot ourselves in the foot and convert in the redzone. I believe we will see an improvement at the end of the season. The draft and another FA session could bring in more talent…I have a feeling we can be a playoff contender next season or the season after.
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Supreme you are right maybe by next year most my comments anyways are towards to people who thinking this was a great game but refs blew the game, and expected us to be a playoff contender this year.
Id say defensively mostly need more depth and some line backers who can drop back in coverage.
Offensively however we need just about everything outside of a qb and 1 wide out and 1 Ol from what I’ve really seen. I’m sure Matt will be better as he continues to play more but its more about the team around him than is him talent wise…. Although I do think the interceptions were mostly his fault today.
I was optimistic for this year as well. I was thinking 7-9.
I have a feeling this team is an up and coming organization. It will take time to glue the pieces back together after a dreadful Herm era. I’m not happy with losing…especially in this way. We didn’t lose to the Raiders. We lost to ourselves. That’s the worst kind of loss, but it is correctable.
I ask all fans to keep your chins up!
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing I have to disagree on...
An offense that “dominates” has a he’ll of a lot more than 3 points going into the 4th quarter
by jbj8609 on Sep 20, 2009 3:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha! *HELL of a lot more (stupid iPhone).
by jbj8609 on Sep 20, 2009 4:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at their offensive stats vs. ours.
I have to respectfully disagree. Though we failed to score and hurt ourselves, we were moving the ball much better than the Raiders all game.
by SupremeChief on Sep 20, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
When you don't have a reliable run game or #2 WR...
…you better damn sure go out and get a TE to move the chains and for the red zone.
Bowe is a reliable #2 WR. It’s getting a #1 WR that’s the trick.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said before...
Go cheer for the Steelers if you want production this year. Rebuilding a team that has won 6 games in two years is going to take time. New Coach, GM, Defensive Scheme, Our staff, QB. Yes, I thought we were going to start out a lot better and I was wrong. Yet, Im not about to say I’m done with the Chiefs. We have made a lot of progress(even though the record doesn’t show it yet). Those who says we haven’t made any progress isn’t wanting to see it or just can’t see it.
idiotic
the dumbest move i ever seen was trading tony g away for a second round pick not even for one this year but next …….i dont give a rat’s ass if he was unhappy
Cassel...
I think he can do a good job if he had a modicum of protection and a weapon outside of Bowe. Bowe will be bagged up every game and nobody else can make a play.
He is rusty
Doesnt know the offense. Will be a work in progress the whole first half of the season. If we can win a couple of games going into the second half of the season there is still opportunity to win the west
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting through the NFC(B)east will be the trick
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We need a win
Maybe 2 against them.. Philly without McNabb is nothing and Samuel looked hurt bad. NYG will be on their 3rd straight road games. We got a chance in those 2 and Washington is beatable. After that we got SD, Jax and Oakland before Pittsburg. It is concievable we have 4 or 5 wins at that point. Can win the last 5 games of the season on a roll.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
The backhalf of the season is pretty nice, with our Oline I’m not sure I would say any of the NFCEast teams are beatable.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 20, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Scheduling quirk makes the Giants beatable
The Eagles suck without McNabb
Washington is always beatable
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
not true
i liked what i saw from bobby wade he is good at getting open underneath and down the middle but bradley where the hell was he !
They suck and they are cheap...
You can’t live off the scrap heap
FG before the half and this game goes to OT....
….disappointing…
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by woodman212 on Sep 20, 2009 4:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Even Herm would have got that FG in
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Sep 20, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true
because we would never be in field goal range. He’d down it to end the half, saying “we’re in a great position, play it safe! you play! to punt! the ball!”
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by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 20, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
and yet...
we lost to that fat pig ! completely embrassing
No, we lost to the Raiders Team ... they did what they needed to do when they need to do it
And we didn’t
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 20, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how we can even say we lost to the Raiders.
They sucked on both sides of the ball. This is a prime example of us beating ourselves.
Croyle looks good now!!
I was not impressed by Cassel. Sure he had nice numbers. Haley let him throw a lot. But he had two picks and failed to get us field goals or TD’s when needed. Oakland was a pushover compared to Baltimore. Somehow Croyle managed to get 17 and the defense 7 on them. Maybe Croyle should have played after the second pick.
all doom and gloom lol
this team will be competitive in almost every game this year, make the playoffs next year, and the 2 years after that. relax.
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it’s sucks that we lost a game we should not have but you have to think about the long run. SF did not win much before thier run in the 80’s. Dallas went 1-15 before building their SB teams of the 90’s and I don’t recall NE wining much before 2000 and their SB team’s of the 00’s.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 20, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
needed more play action passing on 1st down.
I swear we had to be in 3rd down more today then I ever recall. Every 1st down we made had to preceed a 3rd down.
by NFL season ticket holder on Sep 20, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions
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