Former Chiefs Lineman Complains of Concussion Problems
Former Kansas City Chiefs tackle Kyle Turley has retired from the game of football but still has some lingering issues from his playing days. Turley talked to Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports regarding some post-playing health issues he's been having.
Turley talked of an incident a few months ago that he called the scariest moment of his life.
"I was having a full-on seizure-type-thing, probably because my potassium levels were so low. I was on a table just flipping around like a fish; I was fully conscious and knew what I wanted to say, but I couldn’t speak. Realistically, if I hadn’t gone to the hospital, my kidneys could’ve shut down and I probably could have died."
Some medical experts have discussed the possibility of Turley suffering from Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), which killed former player Andre Waters a couple years ago.
Turley claims he received "inadequate treatment" from the three teams he played for in his career including the Kansas City Chiefs. He talked about the possibility of suing the NFL, though he blames the NFLPA as well. Ultimately, though, Turley wants the system changed.
Representatives from the Chiefs, New Orleans Saints and St. Louis Rams declined comment for the story.
One of the scariest things about this is that Turley thought he wasn't one of the guys that had a lot of head trauma relative to the rest of the NFL. One NFL player, Sean Morey of the Arizona Cardinals, figured about 50% of concussions go unreported.
Silver discussed the possibility of NFL doctors having a conflict of interest. On the one hand, they're there as medical professionals to the players. On the other hand, they're employees of the team that wants the player on the field.
Morey expounded upon the difficulties the players face when it comes to concussions.
"Professional players naturally want to play," Morey says. "We want to keep our jobs, we have loyalty to our coaches and teammates, and we desperately want to win. Typically, when we get a concussion, our first reaction is to avoid the trainer at all costs. That’s just our mentality, our culture."
Turley told a story while with the Chiefs. He was sitting in a cold tub with teammate Rich Scanlon following a game at Arrowhead.
"He came in and had a broken nose that was cracked all the way across," Turley recalls. "All of a sudden, in 50-degree water, he passes out. I went and told the trainers and doctors and they said, ‘He’s all right.’ I said, ‘No, he’s not. If you guys let this guy go home right now, I’m gonna file a report against you for negligence.’ He ended up in the hospital, and they kept him for a couple of days."
Wow.
Keep in mind that we're hearing one side of the story. The Chiefs declined when Yahoo! Sports asked to speak with team doctors and trainers that were involved.
Definitely check out the whole story. And, we'll follow Josh Looney's lead in wishing Turley the best of health and success in his post-playing career.
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slow news day?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda
Though I would take a few minutes to read this article. It’s informative.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us be the first to say
“Fuck this guy”
Here’s an idea. Retire asshole, maybe a year before you suck ass and put younger athletes like your quarteback in danger. Really, Kyle Turley is a giant shithead in the PARADE’s not so humble opinion. Without a doubt the NFL is a vicious place that takes a horrible toll on young largely uninformed young men, but to make let Kyle Turley make himself a representative for that cause is stupid. He’s an arrogant self-interested twat, and now that the choices he’s made in life are coming home to roost he’s the first to make himself the world’s biggest victim. He played like a dickhead, that’s part of why he was good for the Saints, but he’s a dickhead at life as well and gets no quarter in our book. It’s like Romanowski bitching about steroid abuse.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and let ME be the first to say ...
you are a true $hithead – as a Chiefs fan, a sports fan and a human being, I’m ashamed of any kind of association with “people” like you
Joel: great post and the Silver story was fantastic, as well as moving and a bit scary – right on!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 18, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your point?
You trash my comment without addressing it or any of my further elaborations (see below). Glad you can question my humanity without dropping the word “shit” but really, I’m not criticizing Joel, Silver, or the cause, just Kyle Turley. We’re yet to see any evidence that Kyle Turley merits the respect to believe he’s doing this out of anything other than self-interest.
Please, correct us if we’re wrong.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s an arrogant self-interested twat, and now that the choices he’s made in life are coming home to roost
… oh, you mean like PLAYING FOOTBALL? Dude, you’re trashing the guy up one side and down the other for, apparantly, no better reason than to trash him … was he a jerk on the field? sure, so? I’ve seen bigger jerks than Turley in many other sports, and in ALL walks of life … that does NOT mean they necessarily deserve what Turley is going thru
You’re now the OFFICIAL Arrowhead Hall Of Shame Parade – IMNSHO
seeya!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Sep 18, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Regardless of the who the inflicted is, the issue should not be about the athlete speaking about it rather the issue itself.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because I've followed his career since he's come to Kansas City
He was bitching about the NFL’s pensions before this when he was looking retire anyway. Seriously, what do you know about Kyle Turley that justifies talking shit like this?
So it’s not just that he chose to play football, it’s that he’s destroyed his credibility in issues like this.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore...
He was a jerk off the field. He made a point of always being outspoken, and if he had said anything before it was affecting his pocketbook directly we’d take him more seriously. But these are not new issues and it wasn’t like he was overly concerned with his veteran teammates for the first 8 years of his career.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got To Say
He made a point of always being outspoken
This doesn’t necessarily make someone a jerk…nor does it make him wrong.
and if he had said anything before it was affecting his pocketbook directly we’d take him more seriously.
Most issues in the world are ones that get brought up only when people happen to notice them or get affected by them directly. Again, this does not make Turley wrong.
But these are not new issues and it wasn’t like he was overly concerned with his veteran teammates for the first 8 years of his career.
That you know of…perhaps he was and it wasn’t reported. I’ve got to agree with upamtn’s take on this one…you’re trashing the guy just to trash him while dismissing the argument he brings up out of hand. And I think you’re wrong on this one.
(P.S. Although it does not excuse upamtn’s personal attacks towards you and I will be issuing him a warning for them).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 18, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Au Contraire
Kyle Turley is a jerk:
exhibit a:

exhibit b:
On Dec. 13, 2004, Turley reportedly had a heated confrontation with Rams head coach Mike Martz. The incident had to be investigated by league security as Martz contended that Turley ‘threatened to kill him’, a charge that would later be vehemently denied by Turley.
exhibit c:
"Oh, I’m gonna pound those things. Our music is super heavy, super hard and super fast. It’s bad-ass, man. And yeah, I’ve gotta take the shirt off, so I can show off my f—— abs" (okay maybe “douche” is more apropos than jerk here)
- One of many gems at: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/kyle_turley/
We didn’t say that he was wrong, below we pointed out that we agree with the sentiment when coming from a credible source like Carson Palmer, we were pointing out that Turley’s self-interested, which sounds like what you described above.
Fair point, Turley may have had an oppressed social conscious all these years, and out of fairness to him he did start start all this before he retired, but his attitude is such that in our opinion he only undermines his argument which requires some sober long-term perspective. Having a “badass,” hothead, “whose pissing me off right now,” kinda guy making these very serious allegations doesn’t sound credible. That’s why Palmer is sitting down with Peter King and Turley takes vague pot shots at people like Gene Upshaw and the organizations he played for over Yahoo! and the AP (associated press, that is).
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 19, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, thanks for the defending, but we don't take it personal
Really, if it’s the OFFICIAL Arrowhead Pride PARADE that’s so upsetting to any commenter, they just need to sit back, google image search “pride parade” and think about that for a second. Then ask, “is this the kind of person who is concerned with my moral imperatives via the internet?” And then ask, “how am I going to get this out of my google search history?”
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 19, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree with you upamtn
wow Arrowhead Pride my ass….if you were true arrowhead pride you would be more concerned with people like the hunt family…..I love how its easy for you to trash talk someone who accomplished so much while you sit at home watching him play….your not on the field you dont know how hard it is…..plus if you were laying on the ground like a fish you would seriously reconsider your opinion….its not just a robot playin its an actual person…..
by kcman16 on Sep 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were present when the Arrowhead Pride was founded son...
Read your rules of decorum…
Beyond that, who do you think Turley’s trashing in this article? The Chief’s organization, ie the Hunt family. What did Turley accomplish as a player? A lineman that let his teammates down at the end of his career and shot his mouth off?
Did you watch those games?
Yes, he’s a person, and we’ve seen people in much worse situations than Turley live their lives with a hell of a lot more dignity.
Now have you ever considered reading critically what comes down the Yahoo! pike? That maybe some of it may be self-interested or less than genuine? Or have you considered that I was attacking the source not the cause as I have repeatedly explained below?
I won’t address your final point as I stated it far more eloquently below.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, you are right....
We should shut all blogs and comments of everyone down because no one is allowed to have an opinion on things they have not done.
I have not been a despot, so I apparently cannot say Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc. are complete dickwads.
I guess I will have to take over a country, kill a few million innocent people, and then, maybe, just, maybe, I will be in a position to have an opinion of that “profession.”
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"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Sep 19, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
Let me be the first to say that does NOT represent my point of view at all.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 18, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is?
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy will be remembered as a jacksass because that's how he played...
That’s endearing to some, but if you read that article every quote from him has an [expletive] in it. Hey, [expletive]face if you want to be taken seriously speak like an [expletive]ing adult to a credible news source.
We’re not attacking the issue mind you. We actually agree with Carson Palmer’s statements in the Peter KIng article about someone dying eventually. It’s sad and we don’t want to address it.
But we’ll be good and goddamned before Kyle Turley makes himself a posterchild for personal responsibility regarding health and athletes.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We all will die eventually
One of those two things you can’t avoid. These guys choose to get beat to crap for 1-5 million a year (on avg). You don’t see any sympathy from me. They don’t seem to worry when the money is flowing through the door.
I don’t want to see anyone disabled for any reason, but to blame the NFL for lack of informed consent is ridiculous.
by Ren on Sep 18, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
We see the argument that literally millions risk life and limb to a lesser extent daily for a far less justifiable pay scale. But there is some dignitary interest whether we like it or not to not having a professional athlete die on the field in front of millions of viewers while their family looks on. If nothing else it’s a bit of a macabre statement on our society.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah especially since
I put many more people in harm’s way daily (i.e. the military) for a far less price…I guess these guys are the modern day gladiators. I think we need to go thumbs up or thumbs down.
by Ren on Sep 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say Turley as a Spokesman on this issue gets a Thumbs-up.
Which for those that don’t know is the Kill-em Signal.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow dude
Is it ironic that you are acting as atrocious as you say Kyle was on the field?
Would you be this critical against Muhammad Ali talking about his misfortune for having Parkinson’s?
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering I have pretty extensive knowledge of Parkinson's... no.
You’re talking to a guy who set up stem cell research events with Michael J. Fox. Maybe your knee jerk reaction wasn’t so well thought out, considering that relating Ali’s Parkinson’s to his profession is pretty well-established pseudo-science at this point.
Regardless, it’s apples and oranges, and like we said our criticism is of the particular athlete not the cause.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh im not sure how to respond
I guess next time I’ll know my place and know not to mess with the authority on players or ailments.
Maybe that should be in the rules somewhere.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Turley was a Turd before he showed up in KC. Played like a Turd and now shits in the pool like a Turd.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you post a link about Ali/Parkinson's?
I’m not being facetious – everything I’ve ever heard about Ali’s Parkinson’s has indicated to me that it was caused or at least triggered by the damage he took in his last couple of fights. I would be interested to read what the medical/scientific explanation is if not that.
by u2nspenserfan on Sep 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Muhammad Ali Parkinson Center's website:
The cause of Parkinson’s disease remains a mystery. What happens is clearer than why it happens in these cases. Cells begin to die in a small deep area of the brain, the substantia nigra . These cells of the substantia nigra manufacture dopamine, a chemical messenger that is necessary for ease of movement. As the cells degenerate, the amount of dopamine in the brain decreases. Symptoms of Parkinson’s appear when about 70-80% of these cells die. It is not clear why these cells begin to die in some people but not in others.
http://www.maprc.com/home/info/parkinsons.aspx
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This means in laymans terms that the root cause is possibly a combination of the endocrine, and nervous systems
I am in no way an expert on this, but the best research on Parkinson’s(and many other disease’s ie dementia) are being done at Vanderbilt. My suggestion if you want to find out more about what is going on with Parkinson’s is to check out studies that are coming out of Vanderbilt.
PS I can look outside and see the Muhammad Ali center.
by ravenhawk on Sep 18, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sir, know far more than I, I can guarantee that
It’s definitely fascinating stuff.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know very little...
The way that I understand it is this(and I’ll try to keep it simple)… The endocrine system produces chemicals(like testosterone, and estrogen…) the chemicals effect different parts of the body(be it reproductive, nervous system or other organs in the endocrine systerm). So lets say the hypothalmus isn’t excreting chemicals(hormones) normally. These hormones don’t turn on Na+2 pumps in the brain… The result ends up being the nervous twitches that occur. This is overly simplistic and if it was this simple I’m sure that we would have a cure for Parkinson’s already.
The problem that resides with long term recovery from concussions is that it hasn’t been studied as long as Parkinson’s has… Pinpointing how the brain has been injured during a concussion, and if other organs in the head have been injured is a study that is wide open. The NFL being a multi-billion dollar business… I expect this to be a huge venture of study.
by ravenhawk on Sep 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to mention the part about genetics.
It is widely thought that Parkinson’s is genetic like you said… as many diseases it is unclear what turn’s it ‘on’ and if there is a way to turn it off, or prevent it from being turned on in the first place.
by ravenhawk on Sep 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best research suggests it's genetic
The only proven method of causing it using tainted speed, which has resulted in “frozen state addicts” which have similar dopamine depletion involving the substantia nigra. Basically it kills your ability to make dopamine, and to move for that matter.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any evidence to support...
that concussions could hasten the onset if the genetic factors were already there? The only reason I ask is that I have read anecdotal evidence that Ali may have started to tremor after one of his fights… or do you think that’s just coincidental?
by u2nspenserfan on Sep 18, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parkinson's can manifest as early as your 20's
There was a lot of speculation at the time that head trauma led to Ali’s, and there’s obviously a lot they don’t know, but the studies haven’t shown any higher percentages of parkinson’s among boxers so it’s generally considered pretty bogus at this point. At least among the Parkinson’s research advocates I was working with.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
its not exactly the “well-established pesudo-science” like you stated it was.
The truth is we have some ideas but nothing definitive. My point was it shouldnt matter who was discussing any affliction, obviously you have an issue with Turley and we get your POV, but seriously I only even posted because your words were fairly harsh against someone who played his heart out on the field.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Sep 18, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"played his heart out on the field"??????
Not for the Chiefs, that’s for damn sure.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
I’d take their opinions serious on both matters.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think He Put In A Full Effort Here
Problem was that by the time he got to us, he had chronic back problems that prohibited him from playing at his normal weight. He was listed at between 260 and 280 while playing tackle for us (20-40 pounds lighter than his time in St. Louis and New Orleans) and when he tried to bulk up his back issues started up again. Add onto that the fact that he missed the 2004 and 2005 seasons with said back problems and it would appear that the problems were more ability-related than effort-related.
Turley was a gamer…he was just a broken gamer by the time he got here.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 18, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
thats interesting he blames the chiefs…how can u have head injuries if people blow right by u on their way to the qb?
all joking aside, head injuries r pretty serious. i had one once that sent me into a seizure. not so scary for me being that i was seeing waves of gold and hearing people call out my name but the people who were there certainly were a bit worried.
i just wonder, with all the supplements these guys take, if it’s affecting them a lot more than they or we know.
by MountainManMike on Sep 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Turley specifically
But I’ve been seeing a lot of talk about football players in general and the effect that repeated concussions or even repeated hits to the head without causing concussion can have on longterm brain function. I think it’s worth investigating, although a lawsuit without that research seems premature.
by u2nspenserfan on Sep 18, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More research in the area needs to be done...
I was reading up about the Andre Waters death… and they studied tissues of his brain. His brain resembled that of an 85 year old man with Alzheimer’s.
So I’m assuming that the injuries that occur to the brain are more similar to dementia, and Alzheimer’s than it does Parkinson’s.
by ravenhawk on Sep 18, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that this was an interesting quote
The NFL declined to comment on Waters’ case specifically. A member of the league’s mild traumatic brain injury committee, Dr. Andrew Tucker, said that the NFL was beginning a study of retired players in 2006 to examine the more general issue of football concussions and subsequent depression.
by ravenhawk on Sep 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, it's definitely terrifying what the NFL will cover up
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/12/1022729/your-official-arrowhead-pride
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 18, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man parade i love when you go off hahah
this is what bloggins all about. opinions clashing its what makes bloggin worth doing . All i know is the nfl really and i hate to say this is change some of the contact rules. Such as not being able to make shoulder tackles or leading head tackles which they already had . although i love seeing big hits its just a ticking time bomb until some one gets killed. I think we should have rules like rugby where you must make a tackle not a shoulder tackle it would save so many players lifes and help them be more healthy.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 19, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
You are right. Changes associated with repeated head trauma (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) are known to cause a form of dementia as oppose to Parkinsons dz. The clinical diagnosis of Parkinsons is only made when we don’t suspect a specific cause of loss of dopamine neurons. If you suspect that someone’s symptoms (Ali’s) are caused by something (head trauma) as opposed to being idiopathic (we don’t really know what’s causing them, then by definition they don’t have parkinsons.
In fact what Ali likely has is called dementia pugilistica, which is a well described result of chronic traumatic encephalopathy and can manifest as parkinsonISM.
by smg49 on Sep 18, 2009 6:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And would be a perfect fit for Football players also
I wonder if any research was done on plyers from the 40-60’s when the headgear was much less impact resistant/absorbent
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 18, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing that i liked about turley was that he wasnt afraid to speack his mind. he was strongly agains reinstating pacman jones and it isnt the first time that he is talking about the health concerns of retired players.
the thing with turley is that he was injured before he came to the chiefs. if i remember correctly he said in an espn interview that he lied to the doctors during his medicals about his back pain.
by pmwz on Sep 18, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhuh, so thats why he said he was looking forward to LJ running for 2000 yds his first season huh.
All kidding a side I never like to see someone hurt, But he decided to play in the NFL, What do you expect, That if you get an injury the team should pay you while u sit out and them pay you when you run out of that money. No I dont beleive him at all. If he was injured they wouldnt have played him, He was good at all when he played ( and thats being kind). Im sure they would rather have a back up in front of him if he was injured.
by dougritchey on Sep 18, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents worth
I believe is subject would have been looked at very differently had it come from someone else. Say if Trent Green had come out and said something about concussions and the NFL having something to do with leaving it untreated. Turley has a past of going off half cocked thus has ruined his credibility.
However, if he really thought this was an issue and really thought that teams were leaving it untreated then I have to ask why didn’t he seek an outside medical evaluation? There are many out there who became disabled because of their choice of profession most of them were serving the armed forces at the time, like myself. Mine took time to develop and I really could not seek outside medical help either because of cost or military issues. Turley does not have that excuse he has the money, had plenty of off season time, and had access to best best medical advice money can buy. I’m not saying this is a non issue, I just saying he had other options rather than he one he has chosen.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Sep 19, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's A Valid Point
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Sep 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concussion prevention
http://www.mahercorlabs.com/news/article-20090831.htm
The attached article is the latest research independent of the NFL (Big Tobacco)
Cassell has one.
by steveboy on Sep 20, 2009 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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