Pro-Herm/Anti-Haley
by mistamic on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 PM CDT
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I know there are some people out there who still think Herm was an awesome coach and that Haley is a joke. I've been on the KC Star's website reading news on the Chiefs and there this one guy named hermstheman who always comments on how bad of a coach Haley is. This guy keeps saying that Haley's the main reason that the team went winless in the preseason and that's he hasn't won any games yet yadda yadda yadda....
I also know that there are some people here on AP that feel the same way as hermstheman. Sorry guys. I know you liked Herm but he wasn't cutting it as our head coach. I'm going to present you all with information that will blow your mind. Or at least prove my point.
*Somebody has used the statistic "Herm has won more games than Haley." Very true. But Haley has only coached one regular season game so far in his career. Herm has been a head coach for 8 years. To this day, Herm's head coaching record is 56-77 (.421 winning percentage). Haley hasn't won a game yet. But guess what? When we beat Oakland next week (it's gonna happen-trust me), Haley's head coaching record is gonna be 1-1 (.500 winning percentage). Which percentage is better: .500 or .421?
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*Speaking of wins, Haley's opening day record so far is 0-1 (kinda redundant but what the hell?). Herm's opening day record overall is 2-6. His ODR with Kansas City is 0-3.
2006: Cincinnati 23, Kansas City 10
2007: Houston 20, Kansas City 3
2008: New England 17, Kansas City 10
Personally I don't think those numbers are too impressive. Here is Haley's ODR.
2009: Baltimore 38, Kansas City 24
This number is not impressive either. But look at how many point KC scored ALTOGETHER on their opening day with Herm running the show: 10+3+10=23. 23 total points. That's averging a little over 7 points a game. How many points did the Chiefs score yesterday with Haley running the show? 24 points.
For Haley, that's 24 points so far on his ODR. Herm's teams scored 23 points total! Now that is piss poor.
Oh yeah and I feel like rubbing this in: If we scored 24 points a game on opening day from 2006-2008, here's what it would have looked like:
Kansas City 24, Cincinnati 23
Kansas City 24, Houston 20
Kansas City 24, New England 17
Hmmm..........
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Last season we set an NFL record for fewest sacks in a season with 10. If I'm correct, how many sacks did we get in our first 3 games? None. We at least got ONE sack yesterday. Hell, if you average that out throughout the course of this season you get 16 sacks. Better verage than last year.
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Herm told the fans to "get over it" when we were losing. He was always the first guy to throw the team under the bus in order to deflect blame. After we lost to the Texans in our preseason opener, what did Haley say after the game?
"If you can tell me the first real one is a win I’ll make this one a loss any day of the week. It’s a special feeling when it’s your team and a lot of responsibility comes with that and tonight I didn’t live up to that end of it."
Even though it was jsut a preseason game, he still wanted to win. And when they didn't win, he said he didn't live up to his end of the bargain. What do you call that? I call that accountability. Something Herm had never heard of.
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In conclusion, Haley is bringing something different to this team. He's doing what it takes to mold this team into a group of winners. Herm just accepted losing and said 'its okay'. Losing isn't okay. And Haley is making damn sure that nobody on this roster tolerates losing. He wants to win it all and he obviously wont settle for anything else. That's what I want in a coach: a winner!
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Oh and by the way, it's the fucking Catalina wine mixer!
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anything good about herm in an article=FAIL!!! go to bobgretz.com you and rin tin tin will get along just fine…he’s still got herms dick in his mouth!
good point
except i didn’t defend herm at all
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
Guessing that person just read the title
and then commented when they saw the amount of rwords to be read.
I didn’t read everything, honestly, but I got that you were in NO WAY defending Herm. Just stating some observations you’ve seen around the interwebs regarding a couple of complete douche nozzle Herm lovers.
thank you Saint
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
Haha
I love you signature. Maybe you’d appreciate my Jay Cutler/Arrested development montage.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 16, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love it!
Rec’d
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
Did you read the article? =)
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 16, 2009 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions
lol just kiddin man…but haley is turning this team around…but off subject anybody read bob gretz and notice rin tin tin user is always sayin herm is better than haley pioli sucks perterson is better?
JK?
Dude, read the freaking article first, and dont come back saying, oh, well i was JK!
You got in this guys mustard when you couldnt ketchup!
What do LAWYERS and SPERM have in common?
One in TEN MILLION make a HUMAN!
by Kansan_Chief on Sep 16, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been on the KC Star’s website reading news on the Chiefs
There’s your mistake.
http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com
by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Likewise Rec'd :)
Think we’ve got a Guppy post. :)
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
recd gup post
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 16, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is that a mistake?
I used the Star as a point of reference for this post.
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
It's just that the Star sucks
if they write anything good it usually gets reported here.
More so than the Star sucking, the people commenting over there suck. Did you know that Herm’s the Man and Rin Tin Tin are the same person?
That guy is actually a pathological nut job.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 16, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I also think that guy makes all of those stupid comments just to annoy the other readers
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
Hey Paddy!
Some people are Chiefs fans AND actually work at the sucky place mentioned :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 16, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
it IS the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer!
grab a bucket of guts and PLAY (in the sweet nectar of the endzone)
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
i thought it would come from some huge mongolian wrestler playing line but maybe kicker seems more appropriate.
I'd like the people who think Harm is the better coach to step forward
and let me introduce them to my .45 S&W. I’ll let you borrow it to off yourself. Seriously.
But...
Herm was coaching a college team. You heard em.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
WHOEVER MADE THE COMMENT
THAT HERM SHOULD BE SACKING GROCERIES BETTER JUST WATCH IT BECAUSE MY GRANDMA’S NEIGHBOR’S BABY’S DADDY KNOWS SOMEONE IN REAL ESTATE IN KC AND THEY SAID HERM STILL HAS A HOUSE IN KC SO HE IS CLEARLY GOING TO COME BACK AND COACH US AGAIN WHEN HALEY FAILS!
The Good: Brodie played well, some big plays
The Bad: run blocking
The Ugly: third downs and time of possession
by KCporkchop on Sep 15, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Herm sack groceries?
dont be silly, he plays for keeps
No!
He plays to win the game! Where have you been?
by Scaryclouds on Sep 15, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a as Sarcastic as the sarcastic font allows !
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
you weren't buying it, huh?
was it the avatar pic of Haley that gave it away or did I just go too far with the whole grandma’s neighbor’s baby’s daddy thing?
The Good: Brodie played well, some big plays
The Bad: run blocking
The Ugly: third downs and time of possession
Well I think I would be happy if Herm Coaches
1. in San Diego
2. in Denver
3. in Oakland
4. and you will agree anywhere but here :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 16, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
did you really just say "my grandma's neighbor's baby's daddy"
friggin hilarious lol
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Sep 16, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Was it your first DUI?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
pooow
i wanna make bang bro.
breaking necks and cashin checks
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Sep 16, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You Know
If I actually had any money and could smoke in the theater :)
Or just rip and burn every movie ever made and watch it at home.
Is RIP the right word?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 16, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to hate Herm
because he was such a good guy but in terms of coaching, Haley already wins out. There’s no argument here.
*Herm called the Raiders game “just another game” / Haley has already made it apparent that he embraces the rivalry. Point: Haley
*Herm stood there with his arms folded on the sidelines when the team played like crap / Haley “motivates” his players after they come off the field from a bad drive. Point: Haley
*Herm would continue to play guys that were obviously not up to snuff based on a predetermined mindset for either an entire game or for even weeks or an entire season / Haley is willing to adjust his depth chart in the middle of a series if he feels it’s nessecary. Point: Haley
So far it’s 3-0 Todd Haley is in the lead. That’s a better record than Herm ever had in KC. I’d go on but I have better things to do. Feel free to chime in.
by jonnyu on Sep 16, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I met Herm once and I can attest that he is very much a gentleman.
That said, I am glad he got fired.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Herm
The only thing I’ll say in Herm’s defense is that when CP hired him he told CP he wanted to blow up the team.CP disagreed & they went 9-7 & got bitch slapped by Indy.Clark then told Herm to go ahead & when he turned the team into a bunch of pre schoolers the fan base seemed happy to get this thing going in a better direction.Unfortunately CP never gave HE the Vets to help the young’ins.Herm took the bullet & probably just as well as he never learned to change his philosophy even a little.I’m just sayin’.The jury is still out on Haley so I can’t say who’s better yet,but I think it will be Haley.
John Soellner
wow there are some Herminites on AP
you tried to cover it up a little but it’s there. You can always tell when someone says Herm took the bullet, they love them some Herm.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 16, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hermstheman...
…has been posting on KC Star for about two years now. He’s just a troll. I wouldn’t pay attention to him. After Haley got hired, he started another account called “haleystheman” and did the exact opposite. I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into anything he says. I think at one point he had an account here, except no one paid attention to him, so he didn’t last long.
He is also Rin Tin Tin on Bob Gretz.com
complete nut job that one.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 16, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
That ass hole has found away to infuriate Chiefs Nation.
He’s probably a Raiders fan and realized at some point that support of Herm Edwards strikes a cord with most Chiefs fans because we realized he didn’t deserve to wash the towels for a Chiefs team.
I used to get so worked up but now I just read the articles on those sites and forget the comments.
Thank you CC
Content over comments – Star
contents and comments – AP
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 16, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
A dog and a Herm~
Simply put a Nutjob is only a good thing if shes fine as hell!
hermstheman and rin tin tin~ MEH~
What do LAWYERS and SPERM have in common?
One in TEN MILLION make a HUMAN!
herm
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