14 of Herm Edwards 26 Draft Picks Remain
by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM CDT
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The release of Turk McBride from the Kansas City Chiefs marks the 12th Herm Edwards draft choice that has been released.
They're not all bad, however, or an indictment on Edwards.
Some were scheme related (McBride, Pollard) while some appear to be talent related (Maxey, Stallings, etc).
There are definitely some mistakes in the last three years but there also some important building blocks, particularly from the '08 draft.
A few notes on Edwards 26 draft picks:
- Eight are starters
- 14 total remain
- All three first round picks remain
After the jump, is a break down of the three drafts by starters, reserves and those released.
2008: 8/12
- Starters: Glenn Dorsey, Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr
- Reserve: Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottam, DaJuan Morgan and Barry Richardson (PS)
- Released: Will Franklin, Kevin Robinson, Brian Johnston and Mike Merritt
2007: 3/7
- Starters: Dwayne Bowe, Tank Tyler
- Reserve: Kolby Smith (IR)
- Released: Turk McBride, Justin Medlock, Herb Taylor and Michael Allan.
2006:3/7
- Starters: Tamba Hali and Jarrad Page
- Reserve: Brodie Croyle
- Released: Bernard Pollard, Marcus Maxey, Tre Stallings and Jeff Webb
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08 is still a very good draft
07 and 06, not so much…
but, 3 contributors per draft isn’t terrible… it’s just not going to be a huge improvement
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would agree about 08
Albert, Flowers, and Carr have been outstanding. Hopefully Dorsey is getting there. As long as Charles holds on to the ball, he’s a solid player. Morgan seems to be improving. Cottam has been a disappointment. We’ll have to see about Richardson.
But I don’t think 3 keepers in the other two IS terrible.
by Big Chief on Sep 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It whould be good with as many picks as we had.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 15, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key to how bad the drafts were is that ZERO of the players released are currently on an NFL roster. I expect that to change with Pollard, but so far, not a sniff. Cottam has also disappeared after a promising start last year. But 2 whiffs out of 3 2nd rounders so soon, is a terrible indictment on Herm’s drafts.
by dablueguy on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd round should be the money round
the Patriots LOVE 2nd round picks…
we’ll see how Pioli does with the 2 2nd rounders next year
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to other teams????
I don’t have time do the research…….but it would be interesting to compare the last 3 drafts of teams that are considered by the media to be good evaluators of talent (like New England and Pittsburgh), then we’d see how the Chief’s picks stack up in terms of players starting, on the bench, or released.
by skillet on Sep 15, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea...
… but I’d rather see who was picked 2-3 spots after our guys in their respective drafts and where they are now… are they successes? are they out of the league???
I’m no draftnik, but I’m curious whether other teams near our position in the past drafts did as poorly, better, or worse than us.
TD
by Troydrake on Sep 15, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see any names they wish we had instead?
2008 draft
RD 1
5 Dorsey
6 Gholston
7 Sedric Ellis
15 Albert
16 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
17 Gosder Cherilus
RD2
35 Flowers
36 Jordy Nelson
37 Curtis Lofton
RD 3
73 Jamaal Charles
74 Dan Connor
75 Reggie Smith
76 Brad Cottam
77 Pat Sims
78 Shawn Crable
82 DaJuan Morgan
83 Jeremy Zuttah
84 Harry Douglas
RD 4
105 Will.i.am Franklin
106 Marcus Smith
107 Cody Wallace
140. Brandon Carr
141 Gary Barnidge
142 Zack Bowman
by mightykc on Sep 15, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
not really
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go I did 2 good teams Colt and the Pats.
Players remaining form 2006, 2006, 2008 drafts (roster, IR, or practice squad).
Colts – 16 of 21
Pats (Pioli/Belichek the great evaluators)- 8 of 21
14 is not great, but I think it is not as bad as everyone thinks.
by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
I don’t mind them cutting ties with the players that don’t fit.
better than hanging on to the wrong guys, hoping they change
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
math
14/26 = 54% for KC
12/20 = 60% for Pitt
16/21 = 76% for the Colts
8/21= 38% for the Pats
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As well looking at the teams I pulled, PIT NE IND DET some notes.
All of the first round picks from those drafts remain.
NE has only 1 player drafted round 5 or later on the team.
IND has 4 6th round picks and 3 7th round picks on their team (that is great late picks)
by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought I would try a bad team
Detroit – 11/21- 52%
by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That New England number ...
… is somewhat troubling.
People may like to bag on Herm, but he’s got more of his draft classes still with the team than Pioli / Bellichick do. (53% vs. 38% retention rates.)
by JacinB on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think it is tougher to stick with a good team.
A team that is rebuilding should be loaded with draft picks on the roster. I don’t think Herm and Carl were great drafters, but I do not think they were as bad as everyone thinks.
by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Franklin.
I still think we should have worked with Franklin. He is better than copper in my opinion.
by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 15, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he had potential
or so we thought
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley, and 2 other teams(Detroit, Oakland) disagree, and no one else has looked at him.
by dablueguy on Sep 15, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know
how Peterson ran the draft? My impression from the LJ drama was that Peterson made the calls and not the coaches. I’m sure they had input, but it seems like Peterson had final say and exercised that perogative freely.
by Big Chief on Sep 15, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
with vermeil, it was different, peterson had a big say in the first 2 rounds, but I know Colquitt was pushed by gansz the ST coach.
by SDChief on Sep 15, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 08 draft is definitely a change
from the earlier drafts. I think going back to 2000 it’s not much better than 07. I wonder if Carl didn’t leave the 08 draft more in Herm’s lap since he pushed back against Carl’s normal system of bringing in high priced, washed up free agents. I don’t get the impression that Carl and Herm were on the best terms starting in late 07.
by Big Chief on Sep 15, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LJ was the anomaly, and the one time Carl overruled his head coach, thankfully. DV wanted to draft DE Tyler Brayton. But generally, Carl has let him Head Coach run the draft, with final say(LJ) that he had the option to use.
by dablueguy on Sep 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But Herm's a good evaluator of talent.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those Herm guys
Are 2-15 in their last 17 regular season games. Hallelujah for the youth movement.
by HowSweetItIs on Sep 15, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe from now on
We should just draft players with the first name “Brandon.”
The future is ours KC Chiefs fans!!!!!
N. Gift
by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The last excuse for Herm is officially disproven
Been saying it for years. People said it needed time, but forgot that you could analyze the JETS. Better late than never.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least the Royals have had good drafts/acquisitions.
No, wait.
“This townteam needs an enema”
Jack Nicholson as “The Joker”
I think Pioli is the Ex-lax.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Sep 15, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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