Who Wants to be a Chiefs WR? Anyone? Anyone?

by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2009 8:00 AM CDT in 2009 Campaign Comment 85 comments

With the addition of Bobby Wade reportedly happening today, I thought it would be a good time to do a quick review of how we ended up with the receivers that we did. Obviously, this position has been a revolving door the last nine months with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley, the only two leftovers from the '08 squad.

There have been players entering their second season that were released (Franklin), veterans that were signed (Toomer) and released and even a few veterans that made it on the 53 man roster (Engram).

All in all, there have been 14 players that have been seen on the Chiefs roster at one point since Scott Pioli's January hiring.

Four were cut from last year, a few more came off the street and a bunch in between.

Still on the Roster from Last Year
Dwayne Bowe
Mark Bradley
On the Final Roster Last Year But Not Now
Will Franklin
Jeff Webb
Devard Darling (IR)
Kevin Robinson
Signed and Released Between January and Today
C.J. Jones
Rodney Wright (PS)
Amani Toomer
Ashley Lelie
Taurus Johnson
Jeff Webb (Re-signed)
Signed Over the Offseason, Still on the Team
Bobby Engram
Terrance Copper
Quinten Lawrence (Draft)

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I like the WR pick up.

If either Bradley or Wade turns out to be a solid # 2 and the other (probably Wade) can be a slot guy for us the replace older than dirt Engram, we may be ok at WR. This would enable us to draft other positions of need like offensive line and line backer.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Sep 15, 2009 8:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

comment on 1 year contract

essentially i said the same thing.

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Sep 15, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And if I'm missing anyone let me know

NFL.com/transactions didn’t actually have all the transactions so this is partly from memory.

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by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Only thing i would add

Is that Darling would be on the roster, but he blew out his knee.

Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!

by nateforchiefs on Sep 15, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

But I kept him off because he’s currently not on the 53.

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by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just slap an (IR) next to his name

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah

I originally did this post without a table (and had it there!). :) Thanks

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by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

beautiful

nice work outta you

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This just shows what we all thought when Haley was hired.

Haley knows what kind of receiver he wants and has been looking under every rock to find one.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Sep 15, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WR

I’m not sure what Pioli/Haley are doing here.

It seems to me that the Chiefs have a clear #1 in Bowe, a solid #2 in Bradley that can get open and catch the ball, and a possession guy in Engram that is there when you need him. They have a developmental speed guy in Lawrence that has shown flashes of playmaking ability.

Then, there’s Copper… coaches favorite, special teams guy, doesn’t see the field on offense, as far as I can tell.

Then they bring in Wade… another special teams guy like copper who is also a possession receiver like Engram.

So Bobby Wade = Terrance Engram or Bobby Copper.

I would have rather seen a big play guy make the 53 (Lelie)
But, I’m not sure how Wade, Copper and Engram all make the team.

I’d like to see Lawrence get involved in the offense along with Bowe and Bradley, and have the Chiefs pickup a TE….regardless of which of the WadCopgram trio is kept

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wade

I really think Wade was signed for one reason only…

PUNT RETURNS!!! If we needed a kick returner then we would have signed Justin Miller.

Wade will play when we run the 4 WR/Empty backfield sets. Also how long do you think Engram will be in KC 1/2/3 years? Short of drafting a WR we need to get all the looks at WR to see who we will keep around in 2010. This year is all about interviewing players for positions for the future. They aren’t trying to get all band-aid players in here to make it through the season… That isn’t the Pioli way.

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pr

wade can return punts, but sounds like he fumbles them too…
not sure that’s the role for him

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dont Worry

We are use to a fumble on every punt return anyways… 6 of his 7 lost punts were prior to the 2005 season. He has lost 1 punt return in the last 3 years…

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

But how many PR attempts had he had in those three years? If he muffed his only attempt, that’s still not good.

by JacinB on Sep 15, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stats

In his first 3 years he lost 6 out of 38(16%) then he lost 1 out of 17(6%) in the last 3 years

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

MESSED THAT UP

Had the wrong years

Redo coming soon

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stats

In 2003-2005 he returned 35 punts and caught 698 passes. He lost 6 fumbles.
In 2006-2008 he returned 22 punts, returned 50 kickoffs and caught 140 passes. He lost 1 fumble

He improved that problem by leaps and bounds

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

698=68

They really need an edit button if I am going to be on here before my coffee :)

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn, I was thinking 698, how did he not make the probowl :)

by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does it say how many times he fumbled or just lost the fumble.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stat

You can see how many times he fumbled on receptions but not on punts… Just fumbles lost total on the season…

I will check a couple of other sites to see if I can get more info!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Got a couple more

03-05: 35 punt returns/9 fumbles, 18 rush attempts/0 fumbles and 68 receptions 3 fumbles. 6 total lost fumbles out of 12 fumbles. 12 fumbles on 111 touches(10.8%) lost % is 5.4%

06-08: 22 punt returns/1 fumble, 1 rush attempt/0fumbles, 50 kick returns/2 fumbles and 140 receptions/4 fumbles. 1 total lost fumble out of 7 fumbles. 7 fumbles on 213 touches(3.3%) lost % is .5%

Damn that hurts my head!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BTW

Steve Hoffman needs to get all the film on Darren Sproles and have JC watch it… Charles seems to just dilly dally up to the wedge still this year. He isn’t running full speed when he hits the holes (I use the term holes loosely).

Anyone else notice that or does he just look slow on TV?

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Bradley is gone soon

after his two huge drive killing mistakes, I just don’t think Haley is going to accept that.

by IISaiNtII on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope you're wrong

he also made several catches down the stretch that helped the Chiefs move the ball

if he’s not there, I will lose some faith in Haley’s ability to choose and develop WR

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley stays.

No doubt in my mind.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOW

I dont see how we would let Bradley go… Yes he F***ED up bad TWICE, but we really dont have the depth to be letting him go!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He might have been short but at least he got open and caught the ball.

by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kicker

That is like saying well a kicker missed just wide right but he had the distance…

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game

It would be different if it weren’t 3rd down both times… When you kill a drive because you didn’t get enough depth one time and on a crossing pattern you didn’t want to lower your head and take a hit… He was running right at the yard marker and still didn’t get it!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The first one was really bad....

He just didn’t know where he was on the field. The second one was bad, but not as blatently bad as the first one. Based on Haleys reaction to Brodie " Not snaping the fucking ball" It’s safe to assume Bradley got his ass ripped and it shouldn’t happen again. The kid has potential.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

VERY TRUE!!! Don’t get me wrong Bradley is our number 2! I like what he does for the team but it shows that he still needs some polish…

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I mean he does have to get those first downs but he made quite a few catches it seemed like

by tomahawk44 on Sep 15, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it

Bradley has enough potential in him that he is definitely worth keeping around.

by Scaryclouds on Sep 15, 2009 9:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

If it turns into a recurring problem

then I could see Haley booting him at some point. But not yet, and probably not for a long time.

by Black and Gold on Sep 15, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So were all the ones let go that inept,
or the victims of such poor pass protection that not even Super Gnat Noland Smith could get open fast enough.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Sep 15, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NFL

NFL is all about double moves… Watch all the “Fast Guys” Big AL drafts and tell me why a guy with 4.2 speed cant get open… Because he can’t run routes.

You need to be able to get separation even on the 10-yard curl, 8-yard out etc. If you cant do that in a timely manner then you wont be in the NFL for long.

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

only Dwayne Bowe

started last season as a chief

by SillyHatDay on Sep 15, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Runyan

Runyan is going to sign with the Eagles now that Andrews is done for the season(just a hunch)… Dont know if that is a good think for us or a bad thing!

Thoughts anyone?

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thing*

I hate typing before I get my coffee!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

Runyun to the Eagles before the days over IMO

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trauscher

still on the market. hes roughly as good and not as old

by SillyHatDay on Sep 15, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All Report

All reports have him not returning to football shape(if ever) after his ACL surgery till October…

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else think

that the reason we haven’t heard anything official from the Chiefs yet is because there are other roster moves that we haven’t heard about yet that they are finaizing?

The Good: Brodie played well, some big plays
The Bad: run blocking
The Ugly: third downs and time of possession

by KCporkchop on Sep 15, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hope so

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am still bummed about the Lelie cut..thats one i just dont get. I can understand the Toomer cut but not Lelie. Running in circles here

by chiefnyc on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kinda expected Lelie to be cut...

Afterall it was his 5 team in 5 years. At some point you gotta think it’s him and not the organizations fault he can’t stay on a team.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Being a WR is not just about running down the field.

You have to work, block, and be a teamate. All things Lelie has had trouble with in the past. There is a reason he can’t stay on a roster.

by saskwatch on Sep 15, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was bummed about that too but,

Bradley seems to be the speed guy. They seem to be gambling and hoping he will stay healthy. His speed is pretty comparable to Lelie and he can catch…Now he just needs to brush up his route running and we’ll have ourselves a keeper.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do we practice today?

or do they have the day off?

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tuesdays are the players day off

by tomahawk44 on Sep 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two day's off in a row...or did they watch film yesterday?

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im not sure on yesterday

I just know they get Tuesdays off

by tomahawk44 on Sep 15, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Day off

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Oakland is a day behind on film

by chiefnyc on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That and their QB completed 40% of the passes.

If we can stop the run we got this game. I gotta say, overall, the Raider look pretty ok. Not as terrible as I was hoping.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OL

SD lost 2 starting OL last night and they are VERY thin at OL… That killed them!

Also the Raiders surprised them… The 2nd half was a different story all together…

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think onceyou shut down that Radiers run game

you have them beat. They have receivers whoc an’t catch and a QB who can’t throw the ball well. We should have 2 picks coming up this week.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Semour is a beast.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 year beast LOL

Did you see how much DE he played last night… They are going to have to give him the DE Franchise Tag!!!

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LDE RDE DT he was all over the place last night.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

workout

They had a light workout and film

by flyin_squirl on Sep 15, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hmm..

Didn’t Herm give days off Monday, and film Tuesday?

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fantastic

this looks to be abother day of slooooooooooow news…unless we sign someone.

I can’t take it. I need practice updates. I want to know what the hell is up with Cassel and Flowers.

Anyone have any idea why Florwers said he’d play for sure and would have played the Rams game?

You think it was just to fake out the Ravens? Not like it worked…

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

They're saying

on the radio that his shoulder is still really bothering him. He wants to go, trainers say no.

by IISaiNtII on Sep 15, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, we are going to need him in a bad way before this weekend.

I’m pretty sure Cassel will be back Sunday.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree we need him soon...but really stoping the run will be our biggest concern IMO

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind Flowers sitting another week...

Russel can’t hit the broad side of a barn most of the time. 12/30 last night and many throws were…bad.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All the more reason we need him.

Jammer got that big INT last night. Flowers could do the same thing. We will need all the help we can get this week. That Raider D is gonna be a handful.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's true

I’m sure you saw Semour playing all over the place last night. I don’t think we’re going to like that trade as much after Sunday.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Cassel will need to be very aware of where Seymour is lining up.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently Leggett isn't taking a day off

if you look at his twitter he’s out at the facility working out and watching film.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

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by oldchiefsfan on Sep 15, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

good

he was getting beat

by SillyHatDay on Sep 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i just thought of something

since leggett filled in for flowers, who played in the nickel?

by SillyHatDay on Sep 15, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

washington?

by SillyHatDay on Sep 15, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Leggett is fast

he never really got beat deep. They were nailing him on a lot of underneath stuff which makes sense as he is suck a young corner. He has a lot of talent and probably will do best in the nickel. We are luck to have him.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

he is suck a young corner.

Freudian slip there eh?

Leggett was just in over his head. He didn’t get beat deep but he was playing so soft he got beat short all day. He made ~~Bert~~ Flaco look like an elite QB.

We are seriously short on CB depth.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 15, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he got beat deep...

on the game deciding TD, when everyone else blitzed…

he’s a good nickel CB… he should stay with that package

I’d rather have Washington on man coverage than Leggett

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought

that was Carr?

by tomahawk44 on Sep 15, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe it was...?

now I’m not sure…

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1 about Washington. He looks pretty damn impressive.

Best man to man corner on the team IMO.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 15, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so, again I ask

why wasn’t he filling in for Flowers instead of Leggett?

I thought he did well in preseason when filling in for Flowers

by stagdsp on Sep 15, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Haley played thye Baltimore game afraid, in many aspects, and he was afraid to put a rookie CB in there, even though he played well in the exhibitions. Leggett is a nickle CB, but not a starter. Washington should have started.
And no, this isn;’t a knock on haley. I LOVE the guy, just an observation on how he approached the raven game, which he kind of admitted. The prior HC entered every game afraid.

by dablueguy on Sep 15, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs