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Tracking The Chiefs Problem Areas - Week 1: Lots Of Work To Be Done

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Anytime you have coaching changes (much less GM changes) there is going to be a period of adjustment, but damn, the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs under Todd Haley today sure looked a lot like the 2008 Chiefs under Herm Edwards.

The Chiefs offense was 2-10 (20%) on third downs while the defense was 10-17 (59%) in failing to prevent the Baltimore Ravens from converting.

The Chiefs offense gained only 188 yards in total offense while the Ravens had over 501.

However, we know this team is thin in talent.  It has been for years now, ever since Dick Vermeil's veterans began retiring (voluntarily or otherwise).  There were no quality players waiting in the wings to step in.  Peterson had bet the future of the franchise and lost.

Scott Pioli recently said that there are 28 players that were on the Chiefs roster at various points last season that are no longer on an NFL team.  That really shouldn't surprise us since many of those players were "on the street" when they were brought to the Chiefs in the first place.

That speaks volumes of the state this franchise was left in, and is a reason for the continuing struggles despite the change in coaching and management.

However, rather than every week hashing and rehashing just how terrible this team is, let's line out the problem areas and track them and their improvement (or lack thereof) as the Pioli / Haley team work on turning this franchise around after each game.

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PROBLEM AREAS FROM 2008

  1. League worst NFL Pass Rush
  2. 30th ranked defense against the run
  3. 28th ranked defense against the pass
  4. Poor offensive line play, especially up the middle and on the right side
  5. Unsettled QB situation
  6. Inability to run the ball effectively
  7. Unsettled Kicker situation
  8. Lack of competent kickoff or punt returner

2009 performance (to date - Week 1 vs. Ravens)

Pass Rush - Against the Ravens, the Chiefs had one sack (Tamba Hali) which also resulted in a fumble.  Aside from that, they did not register a single official quarterback hurry, which is defined as "an incidence of a defensive player forcing the quarterback to act faster than the quarterback was prepared to, resulting in a failed offensive play." 

Flacco was rarely knocked to the ground and at times had as much time as he wanted to throw the ball.  Despite the sack, I think there is still a LOT of work to be done in this area.

Run Defense - The Ravens had 198 yards rushing, averaging 4.7 yards a carry.  That is god awful.  We have tons of talent and a very large amount of money dedicated to the defensive line.  This has to improve. 

Personally, I can't fathom why one of the teams worst units last year, the defensive line, kept its coach Tim Krumrie.  If all that talent on the D-line continues to underperform the rest of the season, Krumrie damn well better be replaced.

Pass Defense - This largely goes hand in hand with the lack of pass rush.  If the QB has all day to throw, he can set his feet and scan the field for the open receiver.  Brandon Flowers being out definitely hurt, but Maurice Leggett did reasonably well filling in, especially considering Ravens offensive coordinator was picking on him most of the game.  The linebackers pass defense remains a serious weakness.  The linebackers continue to be a serious liability in pass coverage - something that MUST improve as the Chiefs continue their transition to the 3-4 defense. 

On the bright side in this regard, Derrick Johnson DID have an interception and a big return.

Offensive Line - The Chiefs offensive line gave up 3 sacks, and 8 tackles for loss.  The Chiefs had 29 yards rushing for 1.7 yards a carry. 

Enough said.  This unit isn't getting it done and needs to be priority #1 for Pioli to fix by the beginning of NEXT season (as it SHOULD have been before THIS season).

Quarterback Situation - We still don't know about this one since its all riding on Matt Cassel and he didn't play today.  The offense had a tough time getting going, but Brodie Croyle did post a 116.0 QB rating and a 66.6 completion % with no interceptions. 

For a backup, that's about all you can ask for.  But its not going to cut it for a starter.

Rushing - Again 29 yards rushing.  Crazy.  This offense is going nowhere until our line can open running lanes. 

Again, the Baltimore defense isn't really the best opponent to try to make headway against, but this is something that has to be fixed.

Kicker - Yay!  Something to be positive about!  Every time Succop comes out I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it hasn't all been a dream.  A reliable field goal kicker would have meant the difference between a win and a loss in several games last year.  Let's hope he keeps it up. 

I am confused about the occasional line drive kickoff, however.  I don't know if he's being told to do that or if he's just not hitting it right.  It makes no sense to me why he could kick it out the back of the end zone one kick and the next they are doing a line drive kick being caught on the 20 and run up.

Kick Returner - This is another area I felt should have been addressed in the offseason that wasn't.  They let last years 6th round pick Kevin Robinson, who was supposed to be a return specialist (despite the fact he hadn't done much last year) go before camp despite the fact there was no one else on the roster with experience doing it.  Just one of several moves that confused me. 

Anyway, I don't see anyone on the roster that is going to be a worthwhile returner.  Leggett scares me because he's muffed several punts already.  Jamaal Charles is fast, but doesn't seem able to get it much past the 25.  Another area we will have to watch over the course of the year.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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by DThomasReigns on Sep 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

rec that, some of it maybe, not all of it

Backer’s should have done a better job on pass coverage no doubt but it was Heap being covered they had the most trouble with, Heap a guy a few yrs ago that was breathed out in the Same breath as Gonzo. He’s been banged up for the last few years but he looked plenty healthy today and the safeties couldn’t hang with him either.

Pass coverage was definately improved today, Croyle’s still walking and talking and breathing and even finished the game, I was ready to call the morgue after the Rams game and reserve him a spot this week. They do still have a long way to go on the right side of the line.

Rushing comes off of the offensive line…….

The stupidly amazing remark considering the rushing totals and the o-Line was this

Quarterback Situation – We still don’t know about this one since its all riding on Matt Cassel and he didn’t play today. The offense had a tough time getting going, but Brodie Croyle did post a 116.0 QB rating and a 66.6 completion % with no interceptions.

For a backup, that’s about all you can ask for. But its not going to cut it for a starter.

2 touchdowns were forgotten here, 66.6% completions, no picks and a 116.0 rating not good enough for a starter with the play of our offensive line and no running game? Cut Brodie man I’m sure his stock is going up with Haley after today. Guy is young, and against that defense, it is amazing that he put up those numbers Brodie is proving he still needs a little seasoning but dude could be a starter on a lot of teams and take them to the playoffs he proved that today.

by mcclanahanman on Sep 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

not a QB contreversy but Brodie took the shots.
During the meat of the game he was able to perform.
Just not ready for the 2 minute drill yet.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 14, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree

I thought Croyle did a fantastic job given the situation.

Croyle did post a 116 QB rating and a 66.6 completion % with no INTs. For a backup, thats about all you can ask for. But its not going to cut it for a starter.

I’ll take that every week.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Those stats look nice

The one that doesn’t is the 20% 3rd down conversion. QB rating is meaningless if you can’t stay on the field. They really only had one good drive. The second offensive TD was after the big INT return where they were on the 6 yard line.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

But the 3rd downs would have been much more convertable with some semblance of a running game.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

not only that

but how many times did Croyle hit the right man and he came up half a yard short? Not the fault of the QB. To be honest I don’t think we could have had much better play at the QB position given the line and playcalling.

by KCCheeze on Sep 13, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

no shit

How many times was Bradley a yard short? And on the flip side, how many balls did Mason catch that were exactly 1 yard past the marker. Big difference in keeping drives alive.

by mightykc on Sep 13, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brodie Croyle is

not good looking and has a bad hair style.

by choirboy on Sep 13, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that will even out over time.

It isn’t like he’s anti-clutch or something. What matters is his whole game stats, because eventually he will perform just as well in 3rd down situations as in all other situations.

As a whole, he played pretty damn well. I’ll more than take it. I’ll give him some props.

I’ll be excited if Cassel plays this well.

by rockchalk on Sep 13, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a nice reception over the top. We need that, and Bradley gave it to us.

On that (and numerous other) play(s), the protection gave Croyle time to load, cock, and fire. That’s something we didn’t see last year. Profound difference.

I still think the Chiefs looked like a .500 team facing a very tough playoff team. And if that’s the case in Week 1, we’re a LOT farther ahead than most thought we would be. I’m still guardedly optimistic.

Wait a minute. HUSH!!! Do you hear that? Are those jingle bells? Is that…? But it’s not even Christmas!!!

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

We looked like a team who gave up 500 yards…

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

What I was thinking too.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the Ravens had 40 minutes of game time to get those 500 Yards

If the offense can cut that to 30 minutes you could whack 125 yards of that total. 375 total yards is not great but at least respectable.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 14, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley cost us 2 3rd down conversions

Engram converted a couple. That’s contributing

by TonyG88 on Sep 13, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

I thought Croyle was great for what he had to work with. Any blocking and a running game and he is on sports center. Who would’ve guessed he could play like he did against the Ravens?

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

please

he got all of his yards on a garbage time pass to Jamal Charles and one good drive. Anyone would have a 66% completion percentage if they kept throwing to the check downs

by DBOWESHOW on Sep 13, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't remember many check downs

Seems he had several completions downfield. I believe most of the check downs went for nothing or were incomplete accept for the one to Charles. I don’t believe anyone would have a 66% completion rate with the pressure he was under. Maybe I’m wrong and any beer drinking fan could’ve done that, but I don’t think so.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dboweshow...

I’m calling bullshit on that. He didn’t check down at all except once to Charles. Most of his throws were downfield.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 13, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 passes to RB's

1 for 6 yards to LJ. The other 11 completions were to WR’s (Bowe 4, Bradley 4) and the TE.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, but hard to tell

what is a called play and what is a checkdown when you have 2 seconds to make a decision…

My point was that the majority of throws were down field.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garbage time??!?!!?!?!?

Driving 80 yards to tie the game is garbage time? What game did you watch?

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was referring to the last play before halftime.

Short pass to Charles for about 20 yards.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh still.

If I’m grading todays game, besides Special teams, I’d give my best grade to Brodie’s game.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

I agree with that. Can’t believe I’m saying it but ’tis true

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tying the game at 24 was NOT garbage time.

The Chiefs really looked like they were going to steal one, thanks to a blocked punt, a big INT return, and a late surge on offense.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding

a 2400 yd, 67% completion 32 TD 0 INT season would be perfectly fine with me

he was injured. injured bad.

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Corey Mays

The linebackers continue to be a serious liability in pass coverage

To me this is also a huge issue. I know around here everyone has serious mancrushes on Mays (Probably because he knocked Favre on his ass) but he looked completely lost today in coverage.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I expected this from the LBs, but hoped KC would get more pressure, reducing the need for great coverage from LBs.

Especially troubling to me were the patty-cakes at the line against Heap. No real attempt to knock him off his route, or slow him down at the line. Just a token arm’s length, half-hearted, half-ass patty-cake.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

it was a lackluster performance for sure leaving Heap open like that all day.

by IISaiNtII on Sep 13, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

the LB’s aren’t covering anything in the middle. People are just out there roaming free…

by IISaiNtII on Sep 13, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That gets fixed by more aggressive jam and more consistent pressure.

They started dropping back in coverage BEFORE they had really established any sort of consistent pressure on the QB. The only way these LBs are going to avoid embarrassment in coverage is by feasting on hurried passes from happy-footed QBs, when they pitch the 3-man pass rush. But they need to establish the blitz and pressure as the norm, so that the backside coverage is a changeup. Save that 3-man rush for AFTER you’ve hurried and/or sacked the QB a few times, and have set the tone. Have to get inside the QB’s head, first.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 14, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Leggitt was

getting picked apart the entire 1st half, 2nd half was better

by Bestofthewest on Sep 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess my impression of Leggitt was different than most others

They were throwing to his side the entire first half, but Leggitts coverage for the most part was very good. He was generally right on top of his guy. They were mostly good passes and good catches, not necessarily poor coverage.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember him being

way off coverage except for the downfield throws. It seemed he backpedaled immediately for fear of getting beat deep and that left the underneath wide open all day. He was giving up 10 yards a clip and not being even close as I remember.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The underneath is the linebackers responsibility

When the CBs are playing off, it usually because they’re playing zone. The CBs cover the deep outside and the LBs are supposed to cover the interior.

That’s poor LB pass coverage in my opinion.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except that the LB's

were blitzing on most plays. Ineffectively, but blitzing none the less.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dorsey looks like a bust...

the guy didn’t impress me last year…he didn’t impress me this game or all pre season…I know he’s still very young….let me know when he can be considered a bust…Until I see some penatration, let alone a sack or a qb hurrie, he doesn’t look very good to me. sue me

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 13, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too

they were just all for the ravens. Flacco was dancing around like a fool on ecstacy and making our defense look retarded.

by IISaiNtII on Sep 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fact:

The Chiefs recorded no officail QB hurries.

You tell me?

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 13, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You cant expect a DT to chase down a mobile QB

when he is the only one getting in the backfield.
The guys couldnt get off their blocks for shit

by Bestofthewest on Sep 13, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats a given

Everybody holds in every game,its just if the officials want to call it or not.And that varies from crew to crew.
If the chiefs hadnt made a game of it you would have seen more holding calls

by Bestofthewest on Sep 13, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was really high on Mays...

But it’s pretty obvious why we picked him up off the Todd Heap tore Mays up today. Mays looked almost as lost a Mo Legg

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 13, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heap is who the Backers were covering not some blocking tight end, yeah he’s been banged up the last couple of years but he really showed up today

by mcclanahanman on Sep 13, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Ndukwe did pretty decent out there at RT. Niswanger and Goff seemed to get beat the most. At this point i would say (barring a sew signing) replace Goff with Alleman or go a step further and do Albert, Waters, Alleman, Ndukwe, O’callighan.

Change can’t hurt at this point

yes the linebackers were horrid today in coverage as they were all preseason. I’m guessing more nickel and dime packages in the future to aid mid range coverage. Blowing mid range assignments leads to first down after first down and long steady drives which keeps the D out there even longer.

win of the game was special teams. Colquitt was pinning the ravens offense deep for the most part so we generally won the field position battle. That combined with Succop’s leg should make 3 points a drive fairly easy.

by SillyHatDay on Sep 13, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I called that same O-line in a thread last week. They need to use that lineup next week.

Hopefully, we’ll get some more talent for the line this week. (Runyan perhaps)

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen enough of him to know for sure.

That’s pretty disheartening though cuz we need help. Bigtime.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 13, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was listed

as inactive today. What is wrong with him, anyone know?

by mightykc on Sep 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

no depth

at WR either. I’m all for grabbing matt jones. We HAVE to spend the money one way or the other so why the hell not

by SillyHatDay on Sep 13, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno Bowe/Bradley look like a good 1-2 punch with Engram in the slot

WR is the least of my concern

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Sep 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because

that is how we got where we are. Collecting other team’s trash. I hope they only sign someone who can actually be an improvement. Jones is still on the street for a reason. We have enough 3rd string WR’s.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

this 7 mil that we have to spend is starnge

So if we don’t spend it gets spread around to those who have been here since the start of training camp? Does this include cut players? If its players on the team its like they’re getting a bonus. Wtf does anyone on this team deserve a bonus for?

by golfbard on Sep 13, 2009 8:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i believe so

i think it can also be used to re-sign some guys near the middle-end of the season

by KCCheeze on Sep 13, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expect to see some new faces this week, actually.

Still a work in progress.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They said that if the money isn't spent on one player

The team can divide it among all players on the active roster to hit the min cap.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't help but wonder

how the 3rd down conversions would have looked if we had a future hall of fame TE to throw to.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 13, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Scoring 24 Points...

…on a possible super bowl contender, and arguably one of the league’s best defenses, was my point of optimism.

Suffice it to say, I’m not ready to throw in the towel and take the first overall pick yet. There’s a lot of football left to play, and the division is up for grabs, if we can just take it.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Sep 13, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately 14 of those

points were directly from special teams and defense.

by mightykc on Sep 13, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I thought that was rather fortunate.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post DJ

I really hate that we’re nowhere in terms of knowing how our QB situation really looks.

I think O-line gets addressed AGAIN this week. One or two guys will be brought in and we’ll probably see more O’Cal next week. Maybe Alleman gets a look at C or G as well. Scary.

I have to say the LB’s were my biggest surprise disappointment. I thought they’d be stronger. Didn’t see that today.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Tons

I’m counting on it. We’ll go beyond the waiver wire to the inelligible vets this week.

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say

sign Runyan tonight if possible, slide Ndukwe over to RG, sign Justin Miller to be our return man, and possibly find an upgrade at TE if there is one out there.

The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard

by KCporkchop on Sep 13, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is that Philly already has him signed.

They lost a RT today and he is an obvious choice to step back in.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throw the damn ball !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ichabod on Sep 13, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Gotta throw the ball more to open up the running game. Haley will get sick of this and will open up the passing game eventually.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 13, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a fun fact that will make you go :O...

“Kansas City’s defense was on the field for 85 plays vs. Baltimore, the highest total by a Chiefs opponent in a game since permitting 97 opponent plays in a 17-17 OT tie at the N.Y. Jets (10/2/88).”

by SupremeChief on Sep 13, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

O-Line

An improved O-Line would fix many of the questions we have about the offense. I don’t think the best QB, WRs, RB in the NFL could do much more behind this group. I keep hearing us talk about RT. But, the middle was getting blown up just as much as our takles today.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I see it as a problem from the C out. I expect another shakeup this week.

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And when the new group sucks

we’ll just get the excuse that they haven’t had time to work together. And that it just takes time for the line to learn to trust each other.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

hit the nail on the head with that one

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Croyle.

This week: Croyle looked better than Delhomme and Cutler so far. haha Pathetic. I hope Cutler breaks his arm.

by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 13, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Once Cassell comes back, how many games will he

play before he is hurt again? By fault of the O-line?

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he could have played today

but they didn’t want to risk him againsthe Ravens. This was a way to evaluate the OL to see when they could bring him back. Croyle was the bait.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's probably some truth to that

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

They couldn't tell how bad this OL was

based off of last years film and pre-season? You brought in 2 second stringers from Miami and that was suppose to fix everything?

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you protect your $60 mil dollar

investment at QB with the 1st round pick, rather than a DE that only played 50% of the snaps today?

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what I don't understand

The problem is that in general, Right Guard and Right Tackle are positions that you shouldn’t need to spend a high pick on. I think Pioli thought that too. Unfortunately he must not have known how severe the situation was or something.

Neglecting the Offensive Line and kick return situations were bad mistakes in my opinion.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still could have drafted a high end left takle and moved

Albert to the right side. Wich I think he will ultimately end up at.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you do that?

Albert is going to be a very good LT.

Don’t understand peoples obsession with wanting to move him.

Albert is the LEAST of this lines problems.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

I was in favor ot taking Monroe, but even more so, there were some fantastic centers in the draft and we didn’t go there. Not wise.

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because he is the best of a poor group

doesn’t mean that you can’t upgrade his position and put him somewhere that would make our line better at two positions. You don’t draft RT early, but you do draft LT. So, if you could get a LT high in the first that is better than him, you should do it.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest negative to that is economics

LT is on average the second highest paid position on the roster behind the QB. You have to be careful of that, but if the shoe fits…

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why you have to have confidence in you GM and scouting to

not miss when you do that. Once you start drafing players for signablity and low risk, that’s when you become the Royals of football. And while LT is the second highest paid position, it is also the position with the lowest number of first round bust.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

I’m not morally opposed to such a move if it makes enough sense, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to force the issue. Albert is a fine LT IMO.

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't force it either. Just saying that if a stud franchise LT is

sitting there when you draft, you don’t say…“Well we already have a LT so we dont need him.” The fact that Albert has the ability more than any other on the line to move positions and still be good.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why

Do you not have confidence in our GM and scouting when they say Albert is a good LT and he needs to stay there?

Ever since Albert was drafted peole have been wanting to move him around.

Instead of spending a 1st rounder for another LT and moving Albert somewhere else, why don’t we spend 2nd and 3rd round picks for a RT where you are supposed to take them?

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 14, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then just don't draft him in the first round.

Albert is just fine where he is. Draft a RT in the 2nd or 3rd but don’t move a stout LT just so you can spend high. We have 2 2nd rounders this year. Spend one of those on a RT. Maybe the other on a Center even. Then we can spend our first rounder on a playmaking LB or skill position guy on offense.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 13, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO we still have big beef to pick up

more linement please

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by Buck'O on Sep 13, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before we rip into the defense horrendously

We had a weird game on defense.
They came out slinging, which I dont think we game planned for, and made adjustments properly. After the first two drives, we stopped them pretty well for a bit.

But the offense simply put was an accomplice to murder.
They freaking couldn’t move the ball.

Eventually the defense is going to wear out. Time of possession in this game was HORRIBLE. If you put ANY defense on the field for 45+ minutes because the offense is COMPLETELY inept for 3 quarters, they’re going to be ineffective. Yardage breakdown by quarter shows they got us bad in the first by throwing (not gameplanned for) and trucked over us late.

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Another way to get the defense off the field

would be to force a three and out. Obviously the O didn’t help by moving the ball but the Defense was putrid on 3rd downs. I swear, 3rd and 15 for the Chiefs opponents might as well be 3rd and inches.

What the hell happened to TJAX today. He didn’t show up

by mightykc on Sep 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

leggett

got SLAUGHTERED today. showed why he is a nickel. We really missed flowers, and clancy needs to call much more press coverage. We lined up WAY too far off the line. And can we get a safety/backer to lay a hit on a tight end maybe?

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speed

I can’t remember whether its Fast Tough Smart football players or Fast Smart Tough football players Pioli says we need, but the thing that stands out from today’s game is a lack of team speed. The (horrible) announcers calling the game called Jackson a Speed Rusher, he’s not, and he’s not supposed to be, but we need somebody to shoot the gap and bring the heat. On the offensive side of the ball, same thing, the O-line play would drammatically improve if the team had someone who could break a run, but they just don’t have them.

by Kane on Sep 13, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Ian Eagle is pathetic

You would think that between he and Gannon, they would realize that when the elbow is down, the play is over and the ball is dead. That was really funny listening to them debate about Croyle’s possible fumble during the review.

by mightykc on Sep 13, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

"They can review it if they want...

But that’s definitely a fumble"

Post break

“So, at full speed it looked like a fumble. But now under review it doesn’t look like it might be.”

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

he could give leggett some lessons in backpedaling.

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was Pioli fooled into thinking the line was better

than what he has found out? People say we went to the spread last year because it fit Thigbone better. But, I think the bigger reason was to hide how bad the line was. Maybe that is why Chan is gone. Chan many have been telling Haley, “Look, the line isn’t good enough to run the offense they way you want to.” Thus, pissing off Haley and causing Chan to go Bye-Bye.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think Pioli was fooled.

I think the decision was to be aggressive on D-Line to get things rolling in the right direction, and pick through the late FA market for the missing pieces on O-Line, if their journeyman FA pickups early didn’t work out. They couldn’t get blue-chippers for both O- and D-line, and the pickings on O-Line were better than the pickings on D-Line would’ve been. That’s no way to build a championship team in one year, but what did we expect?

As for Gailey, there’s a fine line between tailoring scheme to fit personnel and crippling your scheme to fit personnel. I think Haley’s on the “You WILL execute. We’re NOT crippling our offense by limiting our options.” side of the line. I think there were also “hustle” issues with Gailey’s approach.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 13, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think everyone would agree that the defense has been the achilles heel

for years. We only had one 1st rounder. At the end of last year, I believe the consensus was the defense was much worse than the offense since we were moving the ball some. Gonna take a couple of drafts and off-seasons to get some NFL caliber players.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except that the offense was only moving the ball

Because of a gimmick offense with a gimmick QB that neither Haley or Pioli had any intention of continuing.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which would be a coaching error.

Run the most efective offense your players can execute.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 14, 2009 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

That offense could not be sustained long term

And only resulted in 1 win the entire season.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 14, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wuold submit that was largely a function

of how bad our defense was last year. Though after one game’s data, it would appear that it doesn’t matter what offense we run as long as this defense is on the field.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 14, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is going to be the first year to determine if Albert

is a legit LT. I don’t see how you can determine that Albert is the answer at LT with the Offense we ran last year.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no question that Albert is a legit LT

There never has been.

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by ChiefDJ on Sep 13, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depending on Waters situation

he could be moved back inside to LG and we could draft a top flight LT with our first round pick

by Bashman on Sep 13, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree. My point is we need to be creative and not

look past any position for an upgrade. We shouldn’t just say, LT if fine – we don’t need to worry about it.

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

WE knew the the line was crap. Are we that arrogant to think Pioli didn’t know? The fact of the matter is, quality linemen aren’t on the waiver wire. They’re locked up.

by RockinTheD.ThomasInDonkeyLand on Sep 14, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see

if anybody gets brought in to help the team like Runyan. Maybe now that Cassel is healthy (i would assume hes starting next week) we will release Gut and add someone who can help the team.

Aslo as much as Mays is becoming a fan favorite, I feel that he should be spelling DJ, not the other way around

by Bashman on Sep 13, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

No

He isn’t really slow as molasses with no real football skills. He just looked like he hadn’t learned his assignments as well as he needed to. He was thinking about where he was suppose to be rather than just playing. He has some skills, unlike Bobby.

I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...

by BinSC on Sep 13, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why was it determined that after 5 games of middle LB for Johnson

Last year, after playing OLB his whole time prior…that he is no longer an OLB? Is he too small to play Hali’s spot on the outside?

by vincent2668 on Sep 13, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably a combination of things

They want Hali on the field because hes a good pass rusher and DJ played ILB for Texas where he had most of his football success

by Bashman on Sep 13, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Agree,agree,agree.

John Soellner

by chiefs63 on Sep 14, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Good post DJ

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by Lanier63 on Sep 14, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post Rec

lots of food for thought

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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