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3499282_mediumFormer Kansas City Chiefs head coach, Herm Edwards, talked to the guys at 810 WHB about the departure of Bernard Pollard.  While Herm didn't get into whether he agreed or disagreed with the move because, frankly, that doesn't matter at this point, he talked a little bit about what kind of player he is.

The words "in the box" came up a lot as Herm admitted Pollard wasn't a coverage guy.

It's an interesting take from a guy who knows Pollard well.  You can listen to it here.

Below, I've pulled the section on Pollard from the 20+ minute interview and taken notes.

"He obviously was a very good special teams player.  When we drafted Bernard, I think in the third round or something like that, we were in a safety mode. We needed some safeties.  We got him and Page as young rookies and tried to bring them along.  

"Bernard is a guy that can play very well in the box when he stays focused.  At times he loses focus, I think.  He's an emotional player.  Sometimes, his emotions get the best of him and he loses his focus and that's what hurts him at times.

"He's never been the type of player you want in space.  He's not a space guy but he plays better traditionally in the box.  That's where he played at Purdue.  Similar to a linebacker or traditional strong safety kinda guy.  

"He played good on special teams.  He's a very good special teams player.  I think he'll get another opportunity somewhere.  Sometimes, when you let a guy go, it makes him a better player down the road.  And hopefully this will. 

Star-divide

"It will make him focus more on his job and his responsibilities.  Also, how you use the guy helps him too.  Sometimes, you can put players in spots where they feel uncomfortable.  

"That's a little bit about pro football is that every player has his strengths and you always try to play to their strengths and that helps players become successful.  If not, all of a sudden he becomes vulnerable."

Should a team try moving him to linebacker?

"I don't know that.  He's big, but he's not that big.  He's kind of a tweener.  I tihnk he can play safety if you play him in a traditional role.  

"He needs to be in the box.  Like 85% of the time he needs to be in the box.  He needs to be a box player.  That's probably where he'll probably flourish.

"Again, the thing I think that hurts Bernard at times is his focus.  He's so emotionally involved in the football game he loses focus at times.  And that hurts you.  That's how people game plan you, there's no doubt about it.  If they think they can upset you and get you emotionally thinking about things, they can attack you.

Is it harder to use a traditional strong safety in today's NFL?

"You make a good point in that teams spread you out but I think you're still going to play certain coverages where you're going to need guys in the box, whether it be in run support or pass coverage.  

"In pass coverage, talking about playing the box, we're talking about playing in the flat or the hook area, nothing in the deep part of the football field.  When you play zones, you need guys underneath when you play those zones. Theyr'e going to play in some form or fashion, the hook areas and the wide areas outside the numbers.

"When they play in the box, obviously they have a gap and have to control that gap.  That's their gap of run responsibilities.  You can still use those guys. They still work.  

"Linebackers, as you know, play in the box and generally when you add that eighth element in run support that's usually the safety coming out of the secondary to get you an eight man front.

"Kinda like when we had Lynch in Tampa that's what he did.  He played in the box a lot. He played halves at times in the middle of the field but for the most part he played in the box.  He was a good cover guy, he could cover tight ends, which Bernard can do because he has enough speed to do that."

On Jon McGraw:

"He has a lot of potential. The thing that's always hurt Jon over his career if you go back is that he hasn't always been healthy.  Very smart guy, athletic, can run and jump, has all those traits, plays the ball well.  He's fearless nad not afraid to tackle.  

"He's been nicked up, that's been kinda his whole career.

"When we first got him in New York he was our nickel guy.  I don't know if you guys remember but when we first played the Chiefs in New York he covered Tony on third owns.  We brought him down and he covered Tony on third down."

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Oh Herm..
I think he’ll get another opportunity somewhere.

Obviously Pollard will get another shot somewhere, the Lions and Raiders are still in the league right?

I like “Former Coach” in the headline as opposed to “Herm Edwards”

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 10, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Next stop

Somebody will bring him in to see where he’s at.

by HowSweetItIs on Sep 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Ha!

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 10, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The "we were in saftey mode" comment makes me cringe

After the first round, you HAVE to go BPA.

Grrrrrrr!

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"

by Justin Bopp on Sep 10, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Why?

Of course you go BPA but BPA at the positions of need. Your not going to go get a QB if you already have a solid three. If we needed safeties and he was the best player available then why not?

by tomahawk44 on Sep 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Safety Mode" as in ...

“We were looking for Safeties.”

by JacinB on Sep 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

....

Oh, thanks for the explanation……

by T-Rich on Sep 10, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, before someone else can bring him in, they will need to take him out....

of the box, ‘cuz he’s in the box right now, kinda like storage, a storage box, he’s that kind of player, a good one in the box.

by whoadog on Sep 10, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Ha.. I know.

Herm sounded like he was running for head of the department of redundancy department .

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way...

I can totally see Frank Caliendo doing that as John Madden:
Well, before someone else can bring him in, they will need to take him out of the box, ‘cuz he’s in the box right now, kinda like storage, a storage box, he’s that kind of player, a good one in the box. BOOM!

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

right up there with...

“… at the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can’t Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, we teach you that there’s more to life than just being really, really, really good looking…”

by Eastcoastransplant on Sep 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

"When we drafted Bernard, I think in the third round"

Seriously? Let’s take a poll.

Is Herm
A. A total tool, who can’t even remember what round he drafted a guy in.
B. Not wanting to admit that he was the one that reached on Pollard and was wrong.
C. Both A and B.

My vote is A. Total Tool

The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard

by KCporkchop on Sep 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

So correct sir

What a space cadet! I think we drafted him in the 3rd round….! Wtf! Talk about lack of focus!
Total power tool!!!!

I want K.C. Wolfs' job!

by Jonezin4KC on Sep 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing...

when I read this. Is he just arrogant and doesn’t want to admit, or can’t remember.

I really think its C. Total douche, AND can’t remember.

“We were in safety mode” as eloquently stated before “WTF?”

Also like this. Jon Mcgraw has potential? Really? the guy is OLD.

by thalove on Sep 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I know..

I understand why he wasn’t “starting material”.. But what would have been wrong with keeping him around to play special teams? Was a demotion going to hurt his feelings? I’m not pro-Pollard at all, I just don’t like to see a draft pick like that go to complete waste.

I hate waiting.

by WMR on Sep 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Herm

I know Herm catches a lot of crap; because Herm being a head coach is the equivalent to B. P. playing in space. Players playing out of position.

I know how difficult it might be to take a demotion, but Herm is best suited as a position coach and Defensive back talent evaulator. Just like Pollard is better in the box covering hook and flat zone.

I’ve realized (its easier now that he’s gone) the last two seasons really isn’t Herm’s fault. King Carl is the culprit. You should expect Pollard to play centerfield and Herm to decide the quarterback of your franchise’s future. Period.

Haley told the offense to run it again. When someone said the defense already knows the play he responded, "So what, make it work."

by Jay Cotton on Sep 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Very enlightening. This pretty well explains the whole question. He would get

…..out of position and get beat. I’m sure that emotionally, this has been very hard on B. P. For his benefit, one can only hope that he realizes his weaknesses, improves and gets another chance. Again, another smart decision by Haley, Pioli and Hunt.

by jcox31mc on Sep 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

The whole question?

Yeah, I’m sure it doesn’t have anything at all to do with the fact that Todd Haley mentioned more than once that he thought Pollard had a big mouth and seemed to dislike him.

Oh by the way, Haley has an extended history of getting into it with outspoken players, and this is the first time he’s had the power to cut a player.

I’m not saying Pollard doesn’t have weaknesses as a player, but I will say this reeks of personality conflict, and if we’re really all about winning, that’s something we should be able to overcome.

Herm just doesn’t want to second guess anyone, because he’s still angling for a job back in the NFL.

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guarantee if he thought Pollard was the right guy for his defense, Pollard would still be here.

If he’s right or wrong, I don’t know…but Pollard didn’t get cut for being outspoken.

by RedNose on Sep 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I disagree. Pollard was one of 3 or 4 proven playmakers on defense. I will agree – he’s not a good cover guy, and Mike Brown may be an improvement (which I’m not sure of at this stage of his career), but to cut one of your few talented players sure seems like there’s another story.

Although.. come to think of it, the Cowboys cut Roy Williams for the same reason, so maybe I’m wrong.

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I think you are wrong. Being a playmaker on one play and then......

being out of position on the next……is very detrimental to the team. That takes him away from being a talented player and hurts the team. They kept the best “53” and he was not one of them.

by jcox31mc on Sep 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be right

I hadn’t noticed it being that dramatic, but if so, that makes sense. Sorry for the sarcasm.

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its called

being a “Yo-Yo player” & those types no longer fit into the foundation that we are building here.

by ttownmikey on Sep 10, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

must be why he thinks we took him in the 3rd

The Good: Finally cutting Sackintosh
The Bad: Not cutting Copper
The Ugly: People FREAKING OUT about Pollard

by KCporkchop on Sep 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a couple of years

Herm will have him back to the 7th round. Thats the way the memory helps to cover the mistakes!

by ttownmikey on Sep 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the over / under on ...

…the number of times the Former Head Coach uses the word “obviously”?

I haven’t listened to it, but i am going with 15.

by Phalz212 on Sep 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Did anyone see a couple of weeks ago..

Herm picking the Raidas to go 8-8 and make the playoffs? He said he faced them last year and they are “a very good football team”.

…with a #7 overall pick wide receiver who has had some serious issues catching the football, a defensive lineman for a quarterback, and a head coach who physically attacks his assistants. You think Herm is trying to get in Al Davis’s good graces?

by u2nspenserfan on Sep 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

LOL -- He would make a perfect Raiders coach.

Lax player control and zero accountability for drafting (it’s Al’s fault!)? DONE!

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"

by Justin Bopp on Sep 10, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was a huge safety

Couldn’t we turn him into one of our LBs? He was always making tackles at the line.

by bakerlee on Sep 10, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

no.

he still can’t tackle

by TDubb on Sep 10, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Herm~

Coached like Pollard played~

IN A BOX

What do LAWYERS and SPERM have in common?
One in TEN MILLION make a HUMAN!

by Kansan_Chief on Sep 10, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

5th round pick taken in the second round

“He’s kind of a tweener. He’s not a cover guy. He’s never been the type of player you want in space.” This has all been true since the day Pollard was overdrafted in the second round.

What a blunder that pick was, but at least we’ve got a far better decision making team in place now. And we’ve had way worse blunders than Pollard (Siavii, Sims, etc. etc.) And at lest Pollard did put the wood to some people sometimes, which was fun.

Pollard has always struggled with coverage and judgment and positioning and tackling. He’s always played for the big hit rather than the sure tackle. He’s got some real abilities, but he’s always had some real liabilities too, that many Chiefs fans ignored or discounted because he was OUR 2nd round pick, and he was a big hitter.

In the end, I would’ve liked to see him stay as a special teamer, but it sounds like he might’ve had attitude issues, and you don’t want a special teamer with attitude issues.

by Offense of the 70s on Sep 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Herm Edwards words

look so much stupider in print… and thats hard to do.

For justice we must go to Don Pioli

by Sudden on Sep 10, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

My G-d, where to begin. He doesn’t know what round he drafted Pollard in? He ran a Tampa 2 system, which specifically demands deep coverage out of the safeties, and NOW he’s admitting Pollard wasn’t a coverage guy? If you know he’s “not a space guy”, then why are you asking him to consistently play in space?? Pollard was consistently beaten deep, when a competant coach would not have asked him to play deep. Is it any wonder this team plunged into total disaster under his watch?

by dablueguy on Sep 10, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

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