Updated Kansas City Chiefs Depth Chart Post Roster Cuts

by Joel Thorman on Sep 1, 2009 3:34 PM CDT in 2009 Kansas City Chiefs Training Camp

I've brought back TheQ's depth chart table and updated it following today's roster cut down. We knew about a few of the roster moves (Darling, Smith), weren't surprised by another (Goldberg) but were somewhat surprised by others (Boone, Toomer).

First and foremost, we need to point out that Chris only got one name right on his predicted cut list and that's Goldberg. 20%? That's about right for him.

Here are a few notes on the updated depth chart.

Defensive End

Previously, this is the way we saw most of the starters at defensive end lining up at one time or another: Glenn Dorsey/Alex Magee at right defensive end and Tyson Jackson/Alfonso Boone at left defensive end.

Now, assuming these players stay on the their respective sides, Bobby Greenwood and/or Dion Gales will be seeing time instead of the released Boone. Are you comfortable with that? I'm not sure I am simply because we haven't seen either of those guys go up against the first team much (if at all).

Wide Receiver

Chopping two more off the receivers - one from the first team, another from the second team according to the unofficial depth chart. I think we raised the expectations for Toomer higher than was realistic but, for many of us, we expected him to make the team.

These moves probably only solidify Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram in the lineup. It may also have created some room for Ashley Lelie.

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Complete depth chart table after the jump.


			R. Price		D. Morgan
			J. Page		M. Brown
			J. McGraw		B. Pollard
			*Free Safety*		*Strong Safety*

	P. Walters		C. Smith
	T. McBride		D. Johnson		J. Belcher		A. Studebaker
	T. Hali		M. Beisel		Z. Thomas		M. Vrabel
	*OLB*		D. Williams		C. Mays		*OLB*
			*ILB*		*ILB*			J. Bates
						D. Gales		D. Washington
L. Fryar		A. Magee		D. Lokey		B. Greenwood		T. Daniels
R. Colclough		W. Gilberry		T. Tyler		~~A. Boone~~		M. Leggett
B. Carr		G. Dorsey		R. Edwards		T. Jackson		B. Flowers
*Cornerback*		*Def. End*		*Nose Tackle*		*Def. End*		*Cornerback*

*Wide Receiver*		*Tackle*	*Guard*	*Center*	*Guard*	*Tackle*	*Tight End*	*Wide Receiver*
~~D.Darling~~		B. Albert	B. Waters	R. Niswanger	M. Goff	D. McIntosh	B. Cottam	T. Copper
M. Bradley		H. Taylor	W. Smith	E. Ghiaciuc	T. Washington	B. Richardson	S. Ryan	~~A. Toomer~~
B. Engram		~~C. Goldberg~~	D. Harris	A. Alleman	C. Brown		J. O'Connell	D. Bowe
Q. Lawrence					I. Ndukwe		T. Crabtree	T. Johnson
R. Wright	*Slot Receiver*							A. Lelie
	B. Engram			*Quarterback*
	Q. Lawrence		*Fullback*	M. Cassel	*Tailback*
	R. Wright		M. Cox	B. Croyle	L. Johnson
			J. Collins	T. Thigpen	J. Battle
				M. Gutierrez	J. Charles		*KR/PR*	*Punter*
*Long Snapper*	*Kicker*				D. Savage		Q. Lawrence	D. Colquitt
T. Purdum	R. Succop				~~K. Smith~~		R. Wright
					J. Williams		D. Savage

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I think Ahley Lelie should start opposite of Bowe

by Chiefs447 on Sep 1, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions

yep - that was my prediction when they signed him and I'm sticking to it

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by JChief on Sep 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

The G Man was honed in on Lelie

Maybe a little two much. After about three tosses in a row, the defense knew where he was going with the ball. It would be the same with Bowe. You need a couple of legit targets out there to spread it around.

by jcru on Sep 1, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

It all depends on if there's an opening in the same place 3x's in a row.

It’s one of the most subtle actions – inaction – that an offense can do, if the same guy is gettin’ open and the D’s not adjusting.. I’m not saying this WAS the case, but I’ve seen a lot of great offenses do just that, and a lot of pretender offenses mix it up, just to be mixing it up, like when Marcus Allen’s getting 5 yards at a crack against Indianapolis and you can SEE they’re about ready to crack. "Let’s fool ‘em and have Bono throw the ball with that injured hand of his. Yeah. That’s the ticket! They’d NEVER expect THAT!

Heh. Just the fact that you noticed it, says that the 2nd or at least the 3rd time in a row was a reach. I’ve seen Marvin-2-Harrison a couple times in a row, when defenses kept giving him a 10-yd cushion. He’d take the free 5 yards, turn it into 8+, and move the chains throwing every down.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions

so WR in order

bowe, lelie, bradley, engram, Q. Lawrence, T. Copper
????

How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.

I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!

by bouzi on Sep 1, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions

hopefully

they cut Copper and sign someone else for that spot (lance long!)

but, I agree on bowe, lelie, bradley, engram, lawrence

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions

MATT JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Chiefs447 on Sep 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Im peferctly okay

If we dont sign Cokie McSnortfuck

Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures

by averagegatsby on Sep 1, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree Bowe and lelie

Should be #1 and #2… from what I’ve seen so far lelie appears to still have that speed and the hands to go with it. He still has time to prove me wrong tho I guess.

by chiefs_fan83 on Sep 1, 2009 3:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

It's my feeling we're far away from seeing a finished product in our 53 man roster

Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 1, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions

What are the chances that they move McBride to end?

Do they have a player in mind from other teams cuts? I don’t see the DE or WR staying this way at all.

by Helmets on Sep 1, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions

zero

I wouldn’t be surprised to see McBride cut

If so… expect at least one OLB, one DE, 2 OL, 1 WR and hopefully a bulldozer TE

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree I thought he would be a cut.

But why not now instead of Boone?

by Helmets on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

who knows?

I had Toomer as the #2 WR, so what do I know?

It’s hard to understand what Pioli is doing until it’s done.

Then, it’ll make perfect sense

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

+1

by Helmets on Sep 1, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Much like the o-line situation...

Impossible to see his reasoning…but I’ll be eating crow when our line is solid…

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 1, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions

O-Line pretty solid

The adition of Ndukwe at RT and Alleman potentially playing C not RG with time to Gell is solid Albert above averageLT and only going to get better LG Waters no need to talk there, Alleman at C maybe average mayby better than average definate upgrade from Niswanger, RG Goff average at his worst witch he wont be. RT Ndukwe I wont take the time to stat crunch but I believe off stats olone witch we all know good players make the players around them better are line already is in the top half of the League We have somewhere between the 10th and 20th best O-Line in the League. Thats a brod margin but they need time to Gel. We might not be just decent we might just have an Excellent line

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions

decent to average OL

that’s just fine.

and I’m agreeing that the Chiefs can be there as we sit today.

They do need time to gel, they do need better FB and TE blocking
they do need quick passes and creative play calling.

They are already improving in the run blocking, and honestly, I think the pass blocking from the OL has been ok… not great, but not miserable.

they will only get better from here

by stagdsp on Sep 2, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

LB upside down cake

Demorrio Williams first team? I was a fan of his last year, but this is a surprise even to me. And I don’t think Derrick’s move to third string can be blamed all on not doing things Haley’s way. I’m afraid DJ’s demotion is due to a lack of performance – not being able to think while out there?

There are six ILBs I feel good about keeping:

D. Williams, C. Mays, M. Beisel, Z. Thomas, J. Belcher, D. Johnson

But only three OLBs I feel good about:

M. Vrabel, T. Hali, A. Studebaker

I could not have guessed this depth chart at the beginning of training camp.

by sunny D on Sep 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Is it really a ? though

The real battle is between Mays and Williams to play alongside DJ, and I would like Mays Size and Speed over Vrabel if he can be as consistant. Another front that should work Dorsey Jackson Magee with Lokey comming in for spell on passing downs and Tyler comming in on third and short situations Mays, DJ, Williams,and Hali at LB with Vrabel comming in to spell all 4 positions Belcher for just in case and Studebaker to Spell at OLB if needed

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Big Mistake

McBride is very versitle in this D he still can get down and pound with O-Line at DE he has that ability aswell!!!!!!!!!

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions

scroll down to Big Mistake

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions

DE

my guess is that they bring someone in…but if not… I do think they like Gilberry as the backup.

Greenwood and Gales should be easy cuts, IMO

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions

I think we need 2 DL one NT Edwards is not the answer Lokey and Tyler might be but we need Three. I'm not 100%sold on Gilberry McBride could be a good DE in this 3/4 Then we Keep Belcher

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I think

Edwards is fine, Lokey doesn’t bring anything to the table.

McBride is a LB now… that’s it… If he doesn’t play well at LB, he’s off the team.
He’s not coming back to DE, best I can tell

by stagdsp on Sep 2, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Safety?!?!

by KCchi on Sep 1, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions

oops

Mcgraw ahead of Page?

by KCchi on Sep 1, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Probably just due to the injury

Go ahead and assume Bowe behind Copper as an oversight..

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by JChief on Sep 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

3 Top of the line Safeties and one getting better looks good to me

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Funny.. nobody really thought Lelie would do anything for us

Now I hear more people in agreement that he should end up being #2 opposite Bowe. For obvious reasons…

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by JChief on Sep 1, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions

I was all for lelie

While people called me a donkey lover and other choice names HAHA whatever

by Bestofthewest on Sep 1, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Do you guys think Lelie is better than Bradley?

by CALIFAN1986 on Sep 1, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Possibly

He seems to still have his speed,and he has the opportunity to be on a good offense(his words),we’ll see if any of the old problems pop up

by Bestofthewest on Sep 1, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions

...posting an "updated" depth chart is pretty pointless don't you think?

I thought we all would have learned that by now…

by AK_47 on Sep 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions

agreed lol

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by JChief on Sep 1, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions

If we look at it

As clusters of positions that are getting cut in the next few days, and not an order in which players enter the first game, it’s a valuable tool right now, imo. So it means more than the jibberish that the team put out as an NFL mandate the previous weeks.

H/T to TheQ — but I miss your colors.

by sunny D on Sep 1, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Thanks Sunny.

It is helpful to see where everybody is at. Easier for me to think about the line up in this format.

by TheQ on Sep 1, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Some people like the visual

And judging by the amount of people that look at these charts, it’s probably a good idea to post an updated one.

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Sep 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I have been working in Cinci this week, and I just got online. Man I miss a bunch of AP when I travel. Plus, I have to be in the same time zone as DTR!

by TheQ on Sep 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions

where's ndukwe......

just trade for him and not on the depth chart

by julien_55_49 on Sep 1, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions

Right guard, last spot

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Sep 1, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions

But i thought

Alleman was brought in for RG and Ndukwe for RT. At least that was the word when they got here.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Sep 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Yup. In fact, I've even speculated that Ndukwe might ...

… just be coming in on passing situations, to give a little better pass protection, and start to break his way in as an every-down tackle from that angle.

I think Haley liked those early runs by LJ and Charles, and might want to at least “show run” with one of the other guys, who are still trying to earn that RT spot. I think Richardson was in there on that 1st series, but I also think the successful runs went to the left… DOH!

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions

I'M thinking

D. Johnson will be on the cut list next cut down saturday.

by Bestofthewest on Sep 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

hahah

that’s funny

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Its gonna be

really funny if it happens,the dude sucks i dont like him.One game he plays decent the next you wouldnt even know he’s in the game if you didnt see him with your own eyes.He’s mediocre at best.

by Bestofthewest on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions

DJ has been a dissapointment no doubt about it.

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 1, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Never Happen.

Dude’s gonna make everybody pipe down once he gets back on the field.

Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce

by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 1, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions

he is a yo-yo player

At his best he is the best….a game changer. And then you don’t know he’s on the field for a couple of games. I don’t think he’ll be cut but he has to be driving Haley nuts with the yo-yo crap.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Sep 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions

He's probably a better player with Thomas sidin' 'im, and there hasn't been much of that.

I’m still hoping to see Zach Thomas starting this season.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions

he's a good player

not yet a great one, but a very good one already.

yes, he needs to be more consistent… but that doesn’t mean he “sucks” or has ANY risk of being cut.

I’d bet my year’s salary on it… (I won’t, but I would consider it)

by stagdsp on Sep 2, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Dion Gales

Another step closer….sweet

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Sep 1, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions

congrats, buddy!

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Dude...

If Dion makes the final 53 I will strip down to my underwear, ala Ricky Bobby, and run from my house all the way to Arrowhead, that is a 6-7hr drive in a car…..then I will hug Pioli’s neck and tell Dion Gales congrats and good luck.

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Sep 1, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't go that far, but he does seem a bit out of sorts, to me.

A big, stout guy, who isn’t really sure what he should be doing. Hope I’m wrong.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry Matt, but I thought he looked pretty lost out there.

He has the measurables, as does Greenwood, but I kinda liked what Wilberry was doing the couple times I noticed him. But I followed Gales closely on a few plays, and I’m afraid I wasn’t impressed.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions

I disagree

Maybe Im a bit bias…ok a lot…

I saw number 62 and thought Tyson changed numbers….for real. Dion has the talent to play for this squad as a 34 DE. He has the size and speed to get to the QB and also penetrate the line for disrupting plays… He was more highly recruited then TJ out of HS so obviously he has the talent. To be a big school talent and be forced to play for a small school like Troy….I hope Dion proves everyone wrong and gets some playing time to do so Tonight….!!

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by Matt_Grbac on Sep 3, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions

I forgot about that

That’s your guy. I am all for some of these darkhorse guys winning a spot. New blood on this team will help change that losing habit.

by TheQ on Sep 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Right

Its all about will…..looks to me like some guys have it and some dont. We need these guys who WANT to win….guys that will push themselves to the extreme limit to make a play to help the team….we need that from these newbies.

"Hell yes I love my truck, but I want you to know, honey I love your love the most" - Eric Church

by Matt_Grbac on Sep 3, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions

I've got 50 so far with Arrow Heads hope the team looks like this.

QB #1 >Cassel, Croyle, Thigpen. HB LJ, Charles, Williams, Savage FB Cox TE O’Connell, Cottam WR Bowe, Lelie, Bradley not because Lelie is Better that is where those players are at their best. Lawrence, Johnson LT Albert, Mcintosh LG Waters C Alleman, Ghiacuc RG Goff, Brown RT Ndukwe, Richardson.
LE Jackson, Magee RE Dorsey, Gilberry. NT Lokey, Tyler LOLB Vrabel Studebaker LILB Johnson RILB Mays ILB Williams ROLB Hali, McBride. CB Flowers, Carr, Leggett, Washington Colclough Daniels(FS)- FS Pollard, Morgan SS Page, Brown, McGraw(ST) K Succop P Colquit

by kcchiefstd on Sep 1, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions