Agent Talks about Chiefs QB and Client Tyler Thigpen
You wanna talk about a leader and staying healthy? The reality is he missed an entire week of practice last week. He wasn't healthy. He played that game with two broken ribs on his throwing side. But the media talks about his quote inaccuracy, but I don't think it's too inaccurate when he completes almost 55% with broken ribs. -Joel Turner, agent for Tyler Thigpen
Agent Joel Turner talked with Nick Wright of 610 Sports yesterday regarding his client and Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Tyler Thigpen.
Thigpen, of course, has been involved in a few stories recently. First, was the reported trade talks between the Chiefs and Jacksonville Jaguars. Then, the question of whether he or Brodie Croyle would be the starting quarterback should Matt Cassel's injury keep him out of week one against the Baltimore Ravens.
They covered pretty much all of those topics and more. The interview can be heard in it's entirety at Mr. Wright's website.
Below, I've taken some notes on the exchange.
On Chan Gailey:
I gotta be honest with you, there's nothing I can say about it. I hate it for Chan and his family. From a job standpoint it's awful difficult to find something at this point in the season. As a former coach myself, I know what the job market can be like. I hate to hear that for him. I think a lot of Chan so I hate that for him.
In the regard for the decisions that are made at the headquarters, that's something you'd have to ask coach Haley and Scott and maybe all the way up to the ladder to Clark Hunt but that's something I can't really do anything about.
On his statement that Tyler Thigpen is the most athletic quarterback in the NFL:
He is. It's really simple. He was the leading guy in the entire NFL in yards per carry so, first of all, it's not like I have to back up my statement. I feel like if you're in the media and want to combat that, come back with me why he's not, not why he is.
Is Vince Young more athletic than Thigpen?
Vince is a top five draft pick with millions of dollars in the bank sitting on the bench so let's shoot that argument down right off the bat.
That doesn't mean he's not more athletic.
It has everything to do with what's going on because if he were more athletic than Tyler surely he'd be on the field in some regard.
What about Michael Vick?
Michael Vick was in prison for two years so at that time he wasn't in the league.
On the statement that it would be "unprofessional" for Scott Pioli to not let Thigpen compete for a starting job:
No. In all regards, that statement was made in, I believe, February. So from February to August we're looking at about six months or so. Obviously, things change from February to August. I believe in February they had every intention of letting those guys competing against each other. Obviously, things do change in the mindsets of the ball clubs.
Again, that's something you'd have to talk to Scott and Todd about. I don't sit in the staff meetings so I'm not sure what took place or what they saw between whether it was offseason workouts, OTAs or what have you. Or even through two a days and the first couple of preseason games. That's something you'd have to address to those guys.
On being an effective quarterback:
Tyler proved he can play with anybody in the league last year. He put up tremendous numbers in what we'd all admit wasn't a very good ball club. When you're talking about a guy that put up better numbers in many regards than Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, Matt Ryan, Roethlisberger, Delhomme, Schaub, Orton, Flacco and on and on. And many of those first round guys like JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. Tyler proved he can play with anybody in that league and if they choose to play one player or another, that's something you'd have to talk to the coaching staff about.
Tyler proved last year with what he was able to accomplish. And it wasn't just him, it's with the offensive line, they've been much maligned over there and I really don't think it's been fair. Once Tyler took the starting postion last year in that New York Jets game you can watch the tape because I have. He wasn't really touched. Those guys did a good job in that system they ran giving him an opportunity to move the ball despite the lack of a running game which I think we can all admit they didn't have much of one, and of course with Larry Johnson out those games.
They didn't have a running game for whatever reason so they were pretty simple offensively. It's not like they came out and threw the kitchen sink at you every week. It was a pretty simple game plan. They mixed it up with Jamaal Charles and they got Larry back and the ball found its way to Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez more than anyone.
It was effective to a point that it gave them a chance to win every week but again when you have the 31st ranked defense in the league it's hard to win.
On whether Thigpen may be better off getting out of Kansas City via trade:
That's someting I wouldn't even begin to delve into. Kansas City has been...with different coaching staffs and management whether it be Peterson and Edwards or Scott and Todd, we're very glad to have an opportunity to play in the NFL. Tyler has come a long, long ways in a short amount of time.
You're talking about a kid that was at a school that started football and they literally buiilt a championship program around him. And this is a program that put four guys in the NFL in the first two years they had a senior class, including a second rround draft pick.
You're talking about a kid who has busted his tail and taken advantage of the opportunity given to him. He's got a job to do and he's under contract to Kansas City for two more years.
I'm going to bring it up because I know you will bring it up at some point but the reported trade rumors. It's not like anyone in the NFL from the other teams has called me. They, for one, can't do it from the other teams and, two, Kansas City hasn't called me and told me anything so if there's anything like that going around that's something you'll have to talk to management about.
We're glad for him to have the opportunity he had last year and he's looking forward to this season in Kansas City. Just like last year you saw players demanding a trade...we haven't done that from day one. All we've done is go in there and Tyler's done the best job he can do.
On being a leader and being healthy:
You wanna talk about a leader and staying healthy? The reality is he missed an entire week of practice last week. He wasn't healthy. He played that game with two broken ribs on his throwing side. But the media talks about his quote inaccuracy, but I don't think it's too inaccurate when he completes almost 55% with broken ribs.
Can Tyler play in a traditional offense like the Chiefs are setting up for Cassel?
Well, I'm not going to lie to you, I've never coached quarterbacks at any level. I've coached receivers and I've coached outside linebackers at the collegiate level. But I understand what it does take for a quarterback but from a media stnadpoint you're not there every day understanding the level of competition and the concepts.
I don't think right now anyone is going to be a highly succesful quarerback on a lot of teams taking the snap under center and dropping back five or seven steps because right now the defensive talent is so ungodly good at getting to the quarterback whether it be a five technique or a 330 pound run stopping three technique or a Terrell Suggs or a James Harrison coming back from the 3-4 linebacker postiion.
You can't drop back five steps set up and find you rreceiver for most teams and stay upright. That's why you see New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, New Englandand Baltimore and on and on. The vast majority of successful offenses in the league are predicated on the shotgun snap because they're already at a five step drop.
They catch the ball, take a three step drop, that gives them a seven step drop, and that gives them time to evaluate what's going and find their receiver without the defensive ends caving in on them. Now, they're getting hit when they release it regardless of who they are.
But again with this situation in Kansas City, I don't think any quarterbacks are going to be successful taking a snap under center and dropping back five steps, you don't have time to take seven, and then trying to find that receiver before you get your back broken. It's going to be hard on anybody.
I certainly believe Tyler has the ability to do it and if anyone does it's Tyler because he's much quicker and faster than the majority of quarterbacks in the league so when he takes a snap he can get back and find a receiver faster than other people can.
He had two broken ribs so he's out there competing with an injury that most people wouldn't play with.
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wow cry me a freakin river dude! your quaterback was only sucessful cause he just threw the ball up to tony! tony bailed him out everytime…thigpen is a freakin clown i dont wanna see the spread just put brody in and run the ball to lj..and set up the playaction!
GO CHIEFS!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Sep 1, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
Notice thiggy looking to the middle but not seeing his only target ,Gonzo.
by GHOST OF DT on Sep 1, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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with what o line? hes not going to start we all know that so why are you so hard on Thigpen hes not perfect thats why hes a back up hell starters arent perfect I think hes a good option as a backup and hes the kind of player you want on your team he just comes in and works hard. Sure Tony bailed him out some but hasnt he done that with almost all the QBs hes ever played with? Hell he’ll be bailing out Ryan too QBs cant do it all themselves. Give me a break ya he didnt look good aginst the Seahawka but would you with some screwed up ribs? Atleast he went out there and played!
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
who else was he supposed to throw it to not named Gonzalez?
I’m getting tired of all the Thigpen hate now that Croyle has been seen again and people remember how hard he can throw the ball with zero touch, and how forgotten how unbelieveably fragile he has shown to be.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm a player,
I want this guy as my agent. Wow.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 1, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, when Bones practices today
does that mean Haley will answer if someone asks about his ribs? Can’t use the old “only talk about players on the field” line then.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 1, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rib injuries are popular these days
Favre also apparently is playing with a few broken ribs. Is it just me or does “a few of my ribs are broken but there’s no public medical report” sound like an excuse?
by jk86 on Sep 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a flak jacket under the "4"....
look at the pic and you can even see the velcro fasteners. Kid is hurt and still playing, gutsy!
by whoadog on Sep 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Guy made a nice case for Thigpen. Not that I need to hear it, I know who and what he is.
He makes a good point about Indy, Pittsburgh, and New England moving to lot’s of shotgun formations, though. Probably something the Chiefs will end up doing (again) this season with the line like it is, if they don’t we’re going to see quite a bit of sacktion I’d guess… Unless Ndukwe turns out to be the real deal at RT, and either Goff or Alleman step up into RG… or Alleman plays center while Goff stays at RG…
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Tyler made an excellent choice in agent. This guy sold Tyler effectively and was not promoting himself.
by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
Makes you wonder if the players are this delusional because of their agents, or the other way around. In this case, I think somebody has been feeding Thiggy the “you deserve to start” flakes every morning.
by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole "most athletic in the NFL" exchange was hilarious.
Vince Young: “well he’s not on the bench so he doesn’t count!”
Michael Vick: “he was in prison!”
Ben Roethlesburger? “By athletic I mean undersized and kinda speedy.”
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I think “athletic” is a euphemism for “can’t stand in the pocket like a professional.”
by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great quote
…in Kansas City, I don’t think any quarterbacks are going to be successful taking a snap under center and dropping back five steps, you don’t have time to take seven, and then trying to find that receiver before you get your back broken.
To me, this is a very true statement. It’s hard to argue regardless of the source.
That said, wouldn’t you want a more mobile QB (Thiggy) playing vice one who’s a pocket passer (Brokie)?
by welloverpar on Sep 1, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
to me
I expect Cassel out there against baltimore…
why? because hes twice the player thigpen is, hes twice the leader thigpen is…
and quite frankly, this “waiting” or protecting cassel from our OL is ridiculous….This guy better be out there, he knows it
and after comments made by thigpen’s agent saying how “tough” thigpen is and how you cant keep him out….
Cassel WILL start in Baltimore
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you have any idea what kind of leader Thigpen is?
When was the last time you were in the huddle with him? On the practice field?
If you think Cassel is a better player based on performance that is fine.
But why all the anger directed at Thiggy? He is a Chief. With a ton of heart and soem talent. This is a good thing.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you Patty
Sounds like other teams fans on here..They are hard on Thiggy and all he has done is work his ass off to even be in the NFL.
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
sometimes you must go off of what you have seen.
Thigpen to ME, is not a leader.
Watch his first game as a starter, he takes it into the endzone down…30, and starts complaining for a late hit with 5 minutes left, NOT a leader.
did you ever see him take the wideouts aside or put himself out there in any way shape or form?
Did you by chance have 2 friends who played with him at coastal carolina? I did, and sure it was his first QB job, but the guy wasnt a leader then either.
To be honest, I dont like the BS about oh thiggy is a chief, how much HATE has cassel recieved? SO much. Oh hes not worth it, oh the 63 million dollar man…yadda yadda, moss and welker blah blah
I just dont believe a pure shotgun Qb should throw 54 percent with TG as his dump valve..
the rest of it is just intuition.
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch his first game as a starter,
It’s his first game starting and he was trying to draw a penalty to gain yardage and a 1st down. Not really indicative of a bad leader.
HATE has cassel recieved
I’ve seen NO hate towards Cassel. Worries, sure, but thats normal for any new player/coach brought in.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
are you kidding me? its a lame way to gain yards,. he was down 30, and crying over a PREVIOUS PLAy, I said WATCH IT. you didnt watch it, you just assumed.
and if you havent seen cassel hate, you havent gone to any site that isnt AP
this is the only respectful site to be honest
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why there's no better place to go
Most of the people here are intelligent and fairly football minded, which makes for great conversations and disputes.
Lame or not, cut the guy some slack on his first start. It’s not something I haven’t seen EVERY OTHER QB IN THE NFL do at some point in time either.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times have you seen Brady or Manning complain at calls?
Or maybe they are not leaders either.
by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow....
not a leader b/c he tried to get more yards in his first game..? Im sorry but it takes more than one game to become a “leader” andgive the guy a break it was his 1st game! Anymore examples of how he wasnt a leader? Are we asking him to be a leader anyways?? We never said hey Thiggy lead us to the promised land..No we said he has earned our respect hes came in and been a good backup good lord!
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont remember him ever being compared to Brady or Manning either
that would just be crazy!
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anyone who played with him or anything like that but....
He can’t throw! if you could take Thigpens mobility and be able to complete passes longer than 15 yards then, great. But, you can’t be an NFL QB and not be able to throw downfield with accuracy. We have a bunch of speedy guys who can get downfield and burn DBs but, that whole aspect of the game goes down the toilet if your QB can’t make the throw.
Speaking of flushing the whole aspect of a game. When you have to go with a shotgun formation on every passing down, you can no longer disguise your run plays from under center. If you have to run from the shotgun, you run game becomes less effective because 1) The RB can’t build any momentum before he hits the hole because he is standing still during the handoff. and 2) The plays take much longer to develop. It does not allow you to disguise your plays at all because the defense knows if your’e under center, it’s a run and if youre in the shotgun, it’s a pass.
Having Thigpen as the QB puts limitations on the offense that will keep this team from being successful. If you can’t disguise the play call, then you can’t win. Especially against some of the defenses we have to play this year. (Baltimore, NY, Philly, Pittsburgh, etc.)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 1, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those speedy guys
never got open downfield for any other QB on the team… Oh wait, Thigpen did when Bradley threw him that 35 yard TD pass….
NE did the same thing with Cassel last season, close to 70% of his snaps were from the shotgun. That’s why the pistol was implemented to help the run game.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke
I’m tired of all the hate at Thigpen.
If he was that terrible would Gonzalez have stepped up to the mic for him? Doubt it. He’s shown he’s 100x the man and leader Croyle is. He kept the team in the game(s) until the end last season, only to be let down by the defense constantly.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo
I respect more than most in the NFL, HOWEVER…hes currently a player my friend…a player that never won a playoff game….
to be honest I dont give 100 percent accuracy to what a player says about another….
heard lots of great things about some of the biggest busts
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yet
your argument above says Thigpin isn’t a leader because of what other players said about him.
Hmm…
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
actually, it doesnt…its how they respond to him on the field. not what they SAY about him. WOW, that you tyler?
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall ...
Everyone last year actually responding to him on the field, Gonzo included.
What were you arguing again?
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never saw it
still have every single game taped…when it comes down to it, he cannot control and run a team, leading them to victory in the final minutes…
he cant do it…thats my opinion…thats what I see on the tape…
but hey, that 5th rounder that teams offer for him really shows that value
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn;t the Costal Carolina team
win with Thigpen was their QB? Is that not responding to their QB? Or were they responding to something else? Your arguments are selective.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"didn't the Coastal Carolina team win with Thigpen"
What difference does that make??? Are you really comparing Division II football to the NFL?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I remember how all of our future Hall of Fame guys were praising Ryan Sims up one side and down the other ….
No, wait. Nevermind.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who
is talking about Sims?
you know your examples are really not working
and you go as far as to support losing to support thiggy
wow im done wasting my time on this
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you're unable to track your own arguments ...
You said:
to be honest I dont give 100 percent accuracy to what a player says about another….
heard lots of great things about some of the biggest busts
I replied:
I remember how all of our future Hall of Fame guys were praising Ryan Sims up one side and down the other ….
No, wait. Nevermind.
You responded:
Who is talking about Sims?
You just made my point and, in so doing, invalidated your own argument.
No one was talking about Sims. No one was praising Sims. No one had anything good to say about Sims (ie: one of the team’s biggest busts in recent memory).
They were, however, saying great things about Tyler Thigpen.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
Whether you want him starting over Cassel or not, the kid was one of the best things about this team last year.
The Chiefs had a lot of issues last year, but Thigpen wasn’t one of them. All he did was keep the team competitive (to the point of actually leading a lot of games going into the 2nd half) in a lot of games that we wound up losing because of a late-game defensive collapse.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
he was a positive aspect…but he won one game, and came up short time and time again…
Listen, I have nothing against him….
sigh, evidently no one wants to stick to what is said/done, and just go on attack ME mode…so im done stating anything that isnt of the opinion of a few of these people
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the only one posting right now
How can you blame all those losses on him though, when the defense was so, so, so very bad? The Chiefs could have easily been 6-10 last season… Lucky for us they weren’t, because that means Carl and Herm might have still been around.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
you dont know that they would still be around, I can very much say how is that true at all? do you have an inside source?
and im not the only one posting, 3 others are currently in this thread..
How is it lucky to win 2 and not 6?
not blaming losses ON HIM ONLY…saying he won 1 out of 11 starts….its a FACT>
you are turning it around saying, oh gosh thank goodness we lost? great…
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying theres a chance
that if there was any success last season, that these changes might not have happened. I HATED the Herm hiring, and hated the entire time he was here. If the team had gotten better than it’s previous record, I think he would have gotten his last season of his contract to prove himself. So yeah, in a crappy way it was a good thing, I think.
Not saying that he carried the team on his shoulders to the promise land of a single win, that’s absurd. I’m saying as a 3rd string QB, he did amazing for what was expected. People watched the games because he gave them a chance to win several games. But my god that defense was horrid.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have pointed this out before
but I will again. The losses last year can only really be blamed on the D. The D gave up 440 points. Do the math on that.
Thigpen would have had to score 27.5 points a game for the team to BREAK EVEN with what the D was giving up. John Madden will be the first to tell you thatyou neeed to score more points than the other team to win. Thus Thigpen would have had to lead the offense on a remarkable season. They would have had to average around 30 points a game to win most of the time.
My friends, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Tom Brady or Jesus Christ himself could not have gotten that offense to score 30 points a game.
Lay off the guy.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I don’t think Thiggy is the best QB on our team. He may not even be in the top two in my estimation.
But the “He only won us 1 game,” defense is a load of crap when the D gives up 440 points. On that, Thiggy’s agent is right.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs
averaged 27.5 points per game last season. Just saying… He did do that
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fudge,
wait no… you’re right.. They got 18.2 ppg
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I was like whoah!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget the exact math
but I did it before. Pre-Thigpen, the offense was on pace to average like 13 points a game.
Not pretty.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Jacin
I for one remember Thigpen leading our O to 31 points against a Miami D that hadnt been scored on in forever last year then the D lost it for us
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
multiple games where thigpen put up under 50 yards passing in the 2nd half
its all about adjustments, made not just by the coaches, but by the QBs
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember multiple weeks ...
… where Tyler was a better QB than Matt Cassel.
I also remember a game in week 17 where the Pats had to win in spite of Cassel’s play when they were trying to make the playoffs, which doesn’t speak particularly well of his ability to step up and get the job done in clutch situations.
You can be as disappointed as you want to in the results last season, but Thigpen wasn’t the problem.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when that "mobile QB" = a VERY predictable offense
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discounting for experience,
he still ain’t bad and could add wrinkles to the field and his cerebellum.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, welloverpar.
I remember when I was a kid, the BEST athlete needed to be the QB, because he was the only guy who could get away and still make a throw. I do think the more mobile QB should be the trend. You still see the occasional O-Line that can protect Payton Manning for years, but that’s pretty rare, and maybe even Manning’s at the end of his run.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just be glad
We have a QB that took 6/60 because thigpen seems like even if signing a shorter deal, the agent would demand an insane amount of cash since there is no one as athletic as thigpen
my response is that if he is so athletic, why cant he plant and hit a 5 yard pass…stop shuffling your feet…oh well…
At least he will get dealt at some point.
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like he is trying to get Thigs out of KC....
….makin’ his client seem almost Farve like with the whole “Playin’ through pain” stuff…. maybe the Vikes are interested in bringin’ him back…. oh wait.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this guy
sounds (rightly so, but still annoys me) like other people on this board that defend Thigpen. It’s like the league owes him something because he humbled and amazed us by throwing 18 TD’s while leading a bad team to two wins.
I don’t get it. But I guess he’s the agent, and I would want my agent to sound like that too.
Just sayin
by thalove on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you
I totally agree, its as if now that cassel has his deal, oh gosh, hate hate…but since thiggy is out of a smaller school we owe him something?
I tried to look at thiggy and see a leader, a starter, I didnt…he may 100 percent turn into one…I respect him…I just dont like him as the starter
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hell I don't think he should be the starter
for what Haley wants to do. That’s Cassels job.
I just have a ton of respect for Thigpin, and what he did as 3rd string QB last season for the Chiefs. He got better as the year went on, kept the Chiefs in games, made bonehead plays, etc. He may be 1-10 or 1-9 in wins/losses, but that’s better than Croyles 0-9 with 6 total touchdown throws in 3 years of regular season action.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill give you that
and honestly, I would say to tyler, I respect you, and I REALLY do, I just love this team, and want the best for this team, and to ME, its cassel
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
Tyler isn’t the right QB to run a strict pro-offense that Haley wants. Unfortunately for Haley, we don’t have the personnel to run that offense, or the starting QB to run a strict pro-style offense either in Cassel. Most of Cassel’s playing time in NE was in the shotgun.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the matter with you guys?
The guy is his frikin agent! What do you expect him to say? “Ah well Tyler is a career backup.”
Getting annoyed at an agent for pimping his client is like getting annoyed at dog for licking his balls. He’s a freaking dog!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Sep 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
no problem
with what his agent says…nothing at all
One might question why hes saying it, beyond the broken ribs comment…Its just a bit strange for a backup QB
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The busted ribs is the one fact that comes out of the interview, which wasn't common knowledge (or spin).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where on earth is all this Thigpen love coming from?
Did we watch the same freaking team last year? What planet are you guys on?
1. Leadership – he can’t command the field and can’t take the team down the field when we need him most.
2. Arm Strength – he can’t make all the throws, plain and simple. He’s a west coast QB without the accuracy.
3. Accuracy – he simply doesn’t have it. It’s not even up for debate. He can’t throw the bomb, he can’t throw the out, he can’t throw the screen, he can’t throw the fade.
4. Being a professional – He can’t stand in the pocket, regardless of OL ability, and he can’t handle the rigors of a pro-style offense. He is not a professional QB. He’s a gimmick.
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So you ask where all this hate is coming from, and I ask where all this love is coming from? It just doesn’t make sense. The burden of proof is on those that believe in him. Good luck finding any evidence.
by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen love come from the fact that
offense didn’t lose up all those games last year. He came in as a 3rd string QB, picked up off waivers, and was competent enough once they worked with and around him, to keep the team in a position to win several games.
Also of note is that he was, with the exception of Mark Bradley, the best QB on the roster last season.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about guys
that actually threw a regular season pass ;)
I guess Quinn Gray and Larry Johnson need to be included in that “better than Thigpen” category too, then.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke
Haggans was a ridiculous joke of an experiment
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it was
Haggins was fun while it lasted… Kinda like when you do something stupid when you drink.
“jumping off a house sounded like a good idea…”
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competent enough is not a reason to root for a guy.
It’s the same reason you guys liked Boomer Grigsby and Bobby Sipio. It’s this imagined talent level based on toughness but never proven. I know it’s part of fandom (rooting for players that are undersized, undertalented, and underappreciated), but rooting for them is not the same as believing they can compete on a professional level.
by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talkign about guys that never saw the field though
granted, Thigpen should have never had to step into that role as a 3rd string QB, but he did and did it admirably, even well near the last 4 or so games.
by IISaiNtII on Sep 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that Thiggie clearly has upside.
I think he’s strong enough to get the ball down the field, at need, also. He needs some work on his mechanics, and may not ever overcome that, but if he CAN, he’s a good antidote for pressure from the big men on D.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worth noting
that “the best QB on the roster last season” is irrelevent. If I give you three handfuls of poop and tell you the last one is the least stinky, you still have a handful of shit.
by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's weird though ...
… is that our ‘handful of shit’ still was statistically less stinky than the ‘handful of shit’ we just bought for $63 million dollars and a 2nd round pick 8 out of the 14 weeks they both played and 6 out of the 10 weeks they both started (meaning Tyler beat Cassel’s stats while coming into games as a substitute 50% of the time). SOURCE
How’s that handful of shit smell now?
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rated #27
right behind Jamarcus & Orton! Whoops!!!
by ttownmikey on Sep 1, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
If you look at the surface and don’t take into consideration things like Games Played and Games Started.
Of course, when you look at it through those lenses, Mark Bradley and Quinn Gray and Larry Johnson were the best WBs on our team last year, with QB ratings of 158.3, 145.8, and 122.9 respectively.
Or, if you’d rather just keep it to the ‘real’ QBs, when we skip all of the pretense about how many times someone actually started, Baltimore’s Troy Smith is the best damn QB actually playing the QB position in the whole League.
Of course, by those measures, our own Quinn Gray was 2nd and David Carr was 3rd.
That’s why you’ve got to take other things — like how many weeks they played and how many weeks they actually started — into consideration.
On a week-by-week comparison, which is really the only way to do it when you’re comparing a guy who started 15 games with a guy who only started 11, Thigpen comes out on top statistically more often than not. That’s a fact.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen comes out behind in most categories, except rush yards and sack-avoidance.
Cassel threw (and throws) a better ball. Much farther along in his development than Thiggie, in that respect, but still, surprisingly similar QBs.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's read a little closer, alright?
Go week by week. See who outplayed who week by week. Thigpen outplayed Cassel the majority of the time, including outplaying him 2 of 4 times when Cassel started and Thigpen came in as a sub.
by JacinB on Sep 1, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen is not the QB Cassel is
Cassel has had 4 years to learn from some great coaches and one of the best QB’s in the game.
Compare Thigpen to Croyle all you want and I will agree Thigpen is better, but you are on your own with the Cassel thing.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 1, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what an agent is supposed to say
His job is to make his client look as good as possible so they both get paid. But let’s not forget, we are not running last year’s offense and he has not looked good this preseason at all. I’m all for the best man for the job, but right now I don’t see it in Thigpen. The Seattle game if he was hurting that bad that it effected his play, He should have manned up and said “you know I’m hurting and I think my play might be hurting the team”. I’m not sold on Coyle either, but of the two Coyle plays more like Cassel than Thigpen ever will.
Now you can dress up a piece of crap and call it Mr. Hankey, but it’s still a piece of shit. The thing is Who is the best back up for this team right now, and the only one that I see any promise out of for the future is Gut. Our back-up QB situation scares me one breaks too easy while the other runs too soon and throws too wild. I’m at a point it maybe a good move to look into another alternative
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Sep 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Lions
should move Megatron to QB so they can have the most athletic QB in the NFL.
by KCSatchmo on Sep 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PR campaigns
Do not get QBs in the starting lineup… This is a thinly veiled trade demand.
by sandpro on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a demand.
But I do think it’s with getting best price possible, should one take place. I don’t think Pioli’s interested in less than a 3rd round pick for him, and with KC’s o-line re-booting, he’d prob’ly prefer to keep him around as insurance.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is something i found interesting from "Jesse holley's blog"
Can’t speak much on Tony Romo. Haven’t had much conversation, haven’t really had the chance to get to know Tony in-depth like I have some other guys.
“I don’t really have much interaction with Jason Witten. Jason and Tony are like the same. They stay to themselves. I think combined with Tony and Jason, I may have spoken fifteen total words to the both of them in three weeks.”
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/16422553
its interesting to me because…Cassel has stayed after practice to throw to our 6th wideout…also has been said he talks to everyone, and runs the show…I like that….
I just prefer to have a QB that actually speaks to you. Thigpen seemed nicer than that, but he didnt seem like a guy that would take charge, or fire anyone up, or make anyone better.
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just an example of the difference between a QB respected, and a QB not so much respected by his own
by SDChief on Sep 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why keep comparing Thigpen to Cassel
Cassel is the starter, Cassel is the best QB. Is it because you can’t find a good comparison with Croyle, because Croyle is defiantly not a leader, and can’t score TD’s. FG will not win games
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FG's won't win games?
You apparently weren’t taking notes at Herm’s press conferences.
by BinSC on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right
When Herm talks all I hear is blah blah blah blah
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I have to admit it’s a sad time for Chiefs fans when we have to find something to debate and some try to argue the positives after a 2-14 season.
Hopefully we can get to the point of using the word “competitive” to describe a team that actually has a winning record instead of only 2 wins.
I wish Thigpen the best wherever he may go.I stated early last season that I didn’t see him starting this year and he needed a lot of offseason work.He didn’t win the job and to be honest I don’t see him being a starter unless guys get hurt ala last year.
The sad part is I’d take either of the Viking backups as our #2 over any of the 3 we have as backups.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Sep 1, 2009 11:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Ain't that The_Truth
If Favre is healthy and productive, they have a fantastic QB situation.Rosenfelds is one of the very best backups in teh league and Jackson is more athletic than Tyler Thigpen.
by KCSatchmo on Sep 1, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Satchmo
I dont see why they would dump Jackson Id keep all three
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson has a lot of support in that locker room
and Childress isn’t the best at managing relationships. They may dump him to avoid conflict.
by KCSatchmo on Sep 1, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read an article on Jackson
and it talked about how good he is when the pressure isn’t on him(camp ,preseason) but when he is in real games he is not the same QB.
First thing I thought of was Croyle people are talking about how good he is, and yeas he is good in camp and preseason but when he has been in real games he hasn’t showed it.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 1, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't really been IN any real games though
because he was always getting hurt instead. I’d like to see what he can do behind an OL that doesn’t suck ass.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 1, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he started 6 games in 07
Maybe with him in they didn’t look like real games but they were.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Sep 1, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't at all like practice,
with a lot of big guys actually trying to hurt him, and an O-Line that didn’t give him any breathing room.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother
The argument is who is the best QB remaining from a 2-14 team??? I’ll tell ’ya. Lenny Dawson and he was in the booth! Please….
I like Tyler, Coastal Carolina is 2 hours from my house. Proud he made it. Not gonna stick as a starter, so we got Cassel. We should now be looking at who to draft as HIS replacement. It’s the problem we have had for decades now. We should always be looking to “upgrade”, not settle on the best of the bad.
by BinSC on Sep 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think he laid it on way too thick.
He sounds like one of those guys that has so much crap spewing from his mouth, that you can’t take anything he says seriously. This would not be my agent.
by dakotadave on Sep 1, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't able to finish the article
because if I was afraid I’d throw up from all the spinning from his agent.
More athletic than VY? Suuuure…
The best part was when Turner tried to spin the fact that Thigpen lied to the coaches about his injury into an example of stellar leadership. If you go out on the field and make passes that look like a 2nd string HS QB’s attempts then how are you helping your team? How are you being a leader by showing guys that it’s alright to lie to your coaching staff and team doctors?
/boggle
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Sep 1, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
Where does it say he lied to the staff about his ribs?
by tomahawk44 on Sep 1, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that "most athletic" claim required some quick-steppin' and back-trackin' for sure. But the ribs...
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 1, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real?
More atheletic then Vick or Young? I like Thigpen as much as the next guy and I will admit that his football IQ and common sense is probably higher then theirs combines (I wonder what his wonderlic score was) but don’t feed me some BS about ‘Thigpen lead the league in YPC’ when he had under 100 carries.
Good stats don’t make you a great QB. Theres a case to be made for all those QBs he listed as well. And really are you going to say that Kyle Orton is an elite QB? I like that the agent is standing up for his guy but he’s definitely full of it.
by butchcassidy on Sep 1, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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