Derrick Thomas Deserved Better
I know many of you may not agree with me on this article. I know a lot of you felt like the tribute and speech last night were great. I have been debating whether or not to post this article. I have gone back and looked at the transcript of Peterson's speech and I admit it reads better to me than it did when I heard it. However, I am going to stick with my initial impression here. You only get one first impression of something and looking around the site I have seen a couple of people who noticed the same things I did. Thus, I have decided to post this article and give voice to those who had the same feelings I did.
I am so happy that Derrick is no in the hall, where he belongs. Not to rain on the parade but here is my reaction to last nights ceremony. Should be good for some healthy debate on this day with no practice reports.
Derrick Thomas deserved better.
I wanted to write this last night but I decided to sleep on it. I thought that I might feel differently today. I am, after all, full of Irish temper and once I get going it is often hard to stop me. However, it late and I was tired so I gave myself the chance to cool down.
I woke up at 6:30 A.M. here on the east coast. It was earlier than I rise for work, which is not my typical weekend routine. I brewed up some coffee and quietly slid on to the couch so as not to wake my sleeping girlfriend. After accidentally spilling some coffee on the couch and then, cursing about it, I logged in to Arrowheadpride.com. My already foul mood worsened when the first thing I saw was a picture of Carl Peterson.
I was never as big a Carl Peterson hater as most Chiefs fans. My evolution into the obsessive, internet checking Chiefs fan I am now was slow. Originally from Cleveland, I have never had the opportunity to visit Kansas City. I missed out on the pleasure of hearing Peterson quotes and interviews when I turned on the television or opened the paper. While I followed the team with great enthusiasm I wasn’t as informed on the front office goings on until around 2003. This is when I received my fist doses of Carl Peterson doublespeak and it didn’t go down easy.
I, like everyone else, realized that 20 years of one man having total control of an organization like the Kansas City Chiefs could not be a good thing. The game is always changing and it often takes a fresh perspective to keep up with the times. Outsiders have a knack for being able to identify flaws those close to the situation are unable to see. I, like many in Kansas City rejoiced when I heard Carl Peterson was leaving town. Not so much due to a deep loathing for Peterson as for an unwavering desire for what was best for the Chiefs.
It wasn’t personal Carl. It was business.
I have heard the stories about Carl Peterson. I have heard that he was cold, selfish and arrogant. At the same time I’ve read articles by Bob Gretz defending Peterson. Gretz often claimed that the criticism of Peterson was unfair, the result of uninformed and passionate fans hungry for a Chiefs return to prominence. I always just sort of figured the truth fell somewhere in between. Perhaps Peterson wasn’t the monster he was perceived to be but I highly doubted he was the angel Gretz defending.
It wasn’t until last night that I really saw the darker side of Peterson. Actually, that may not be completely true. I recall seeing a flash of something I didn’t like when Peterson was giving his farewell address as well as simultaneously tossing Herm Edwards under the bus. This isn’t an article about Herm’s mistakes. However, Peterson should have been smart enough to realize that the problems in Kansas City started long before Herm Edwards was hired. Peterson was a professional and should have stood by his actions, right or wrong. He hired Herman and backed the rebuilding plan and like it or not, he was just as responsible for the 4-12 and 2-14 records as Edwards. The same goes for you Gunther.
I don’t doubt that most of Peterson’s speech about Derrick Thomas last evening was written with good intentions. However, after witnessing it, I am convinced there are many people who could have given Derrick a more thoughtful send off than Carl Peterson. Anyone who saw the heartbreaking images of Marty Schottenheimer last evening knows who should have been giving this final eulogy.
After all, that is what the speech should have been. Rod Woodson spoke of his past as well as his present and future at the podium. He spoke to his family and he mentioned how each of his 5 children is different. He has that luxury, the luxury to watch his children grow and change. Derrick is not here. He is not able to see the man his son has become. For those who knew him, Derrick Thomas is frozen in time, a vivid picture of a man with many, many qualities. This is what we should have been given by the person accepting the highest of professional football honors on his behalf. Instead we were given a mostly cold speech muddled with statistics and a lack of focus.
It started with a dull and disconnected video tribute. Go to YouTube and you can find a number of Derrick Thomas highlight tributes with more excitement, more feeling and frankly, better editing. Such a tribute should tell us a story with images and the words of those left behind. While the quotes from Thomas’s mother and son were interesting, they seemed out of place in this montage. There was no real focus to the video. It wasn’t taking us anywhere. The music choice was boring and the quotes were out of place. There was no cohesion whatsoever. The NFL should be ashamed of itself for not being able to put together a video of better or comparable quality to that of a fan-made tribute, pieced together in a basement in Missouri with free online editing equipment and a collection of CD’s.
Next up was Peterson. What Peterson delivered was part encyclopedia entry, part legal defense with a splash of back patting. Oh yeah, and he talked about that Derrick Thomas guy too. I could start with Peterson’s terrible oratory ability but that might be a little cruel. After all, the man is a businessperson not Marcus Tullius Cicero. Heck he isn’t even Barrack Obama, though I must admit I would rather listen to Peterson read the phone book than be forced to listen to anything that might come out of Sarah Palin’s mouth.
Being a dull, monotone speaker aside, my biggest problem with Peterson’s speech was the content. Much of his speech was filled with repetitive talking points. More troubling, however, was the unfeeling and distant nature of these types of comments. I got the impression that this man new Thomas, even cared about him, but I didn’t get much of a feel for who Thomas was as a person.
Instead Peterson through out a bunch of statistics that we already knew. He didn’t tell us what made Thomas tick. He didn’t talk much about why Thomas was the man he was. Why was Thomas the best payer on the football field? Why was he more determined than the guy lining up across from him? Was it simply because Thomas was more talented that he was so successful? I believe there must be something else, something deeper that pushes a man to work so hard to want to be a champion. Usually, for a person to rise to the level of a player like Thomas, there must be an unwavering character. I never got this from Peterson. He simply told us that Thomas was special. We already knew that. What we wanted to know was why.
Other moments I felt like Peterson was rattling off a list of his own accomplishments that Derrick Thomas happened to be a part of. He spoke at length about how many games the Chiefs won in the 90’s. He named dropped to no end. There was even an awkward stretch were he thanked a slew of his old front office cronies and colleagues on Thomas’s behalf, for what reason I am not sure. It was presumptuous and off-putting. It didn’t bring the listener in it pushed them away. I don’t know Denny Thum and his wife, I don’t know Derrick’s old agents. I didn’t show up to hear what Peterson thought Thomas might say if he was there to make the speech himself. I showed up to hear about Derrick. It just seemed in parts as if Peterson was saying, “Look how successful my team was in the 90’s. I drafted Thomas. I am responsible for that.” I felt as though, buried in that speech, was the little voice in Peterson’s head, calling out, trying to justify his other 10 years of failure in Kansas City.
The most powerful moments were the shots of Derrick’s mother and family and of Marty. Marty, who seemed to be in more anguish than anyone in the building. Marty, who seemed to still be mourning.
Derrick Thomas was an amazing football player and caring philanthropist. He did remarkable things on and off the field. What was missing from the tribute was Derrick the man.
At best, we were given an echo.
Derrick Thomas deserved better.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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As much as it is true that it should have been Marty,
there is no way he coluld have done it. You seen how emotional he was watching. Do you really think he could of made it through the speech. Don’t be so sure Marty was not the first choice and he turned it down knowing how difficult it would have been to make it through.
I agree
might have been hard for Marty to get though it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 9, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
My problem isn't so much that it was Carl
it was the way Carl did it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 9, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i said i would rather had marty give the speech but now thinking of it .
I wish neil smith and maybe his son and a couple other players give a speech about some storys or how he was I just dont think peterson could give all the insight of him as a player in the locker room or the field . either way its over now and the true treasure for him and for us he is where he belongs in th hall of fame.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by the way i recd this pat just for the simple fact you got spunk kid spunk takes balls
to go against the grain and thanks for speaking your mind.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I agree somewhat
My dad always said “It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it”
Anyone can say they are “sorry”, but it’s easy to tell if they mean it.
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Aug 9, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
It isn't that I thought the speech was terrible
but there was just some stuff in there that rubbed me the wrong way and I feel it could have been deeper.
Also, I’m sorry but the video sucked. The tribute posed on AP was more fun to watch. They really should have put in a quote from Derrick.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Patrick I ask you one question;
I am not going to berate your post, we all have our own opinions on the many subjects in your post and yours has every right to be heard as another.
As a man who deals with death and destruction sometimes every week, I deal with parents and loved ones often. Derrick’s untimely death was so tragic its almost hard to believe it even happened.
But my one question is this; The decision to use Carl Peterson was made by Edith Morgan, Derrick’s mom, would you be willing to repeat this same post to her in a one on one sit down in her living room? Before you respond I ask that you think about it again, and sometimes we just have to accept what is handed to us and take from it the best parts we can. Other than Derrick himself, I am not sure if anyone could have done it better than Carl last night.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Aug 9, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No I would not repeat this post in Edith's living room
I would not do it because it would not be the proper place to do so. If Edith is happy with the speech I am glad for her.
I am not and that is what my post is about. I personally found things about the speech I did not like and that I thought should have been given more attention. I have no problem with Carl giving the speech. I just have some problems with the speech.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 9, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I must say I expected something more out of the presentation.
Agreed that Derrick could not speak for himself. But Carl speech just did not evoke Derrick’s life like it should have. The presenter for Woodson did a tremendous job.
Overall, I am just satisfied that Derrick has his place in the Hall of Fame as he should.
"It would be Derrick. He'd say, 'Gun, go home and get some sleep. Don't worry. We'll win." Get some sleep DT, Don't worry, We'll win Again!
"He could hear the tone of my voice change and he got this big smile on his face. I melted like butter." Marty on Derrick Thomas. God Bless You, DT
Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)
Well, maybe Derrion will talk more about is dad
when he gives his HOF acceptance speech ;)
Lets hope for that!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 9, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Patrick,
you should read Whitlock’s article about Peterson, Schottenheimer and DT forever being connected at the hip. It may not be what us fans want to hear, but there is a lot of truth to it. As amazing as Thomas was as an individual, I agree with Jason when he says Derrick’s induction represents not just his career but what the Chiefs did in the 90’s.
good post
u are right patty he did dever better as a denver fan i hope peteteron goes to sd as their gm
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
I was underwhelmed by the presentation...
Peterson sounded like a robot…
Or like someone talkin at a stockholders meeting or something
It
had to be really stressful to control his emotions. I think he muted himself in his delivery to keep his emotions in check.
David Logue
Yep
I agree. I kept thinking, he has to be really holding back the emotions…..
by Chris Thorman on Aug 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Patrick somewhat. I totally agree that Marty should have given the speech, as a fan it would have meant more coming from his old coach. I agree also that it sounded like a Carl Peterson farewell speech. I’m surprised he didn’t recognize the towel person, chauffer and housekeeper too. I don’t mean for that to sound disrespectful. Yes C.P. got him to town, but it was the talent of Derrick that made him what he was, not Carl. I can’t wait to go back to Canton and visit Derricks bust and all things Chiefs.
by shirleyspangler@ymail.com on Aug 9, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
What about when he said, “Derrick Thomas was certainly not a perfect man, but I ask you, who among us is?” (paraphrased)
That didn’t even lead into anything and just seemed disrespectful to me.
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 9, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions
Oh
and did he really need to throw in the word “certainly”?
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 9, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
+1000.
Particularly this quote:
Other moments I felt like Peterson was rattling off a list of his own accomplishments that Derrick Thomas happened to be a part of. He spoke at length about how many games the Chiefs won in the 90’s. He named dropped to no end. There was even an awkward stretch were he thanked a slew of his old front office cronies and colleagues on Thomas’s behalf, for what reason I am not sure. It was presumptuous and off-putting. It didn’t bring the listener in it pushed them away. I don’t know Denny Thum and his wife, I don’t know Derrick’s old agents. I didn’t show up to hear what Peterson thought Thomas might say if he was there to make the speech himself. I showed up to hear about Derrick. It just seemed in parts as if Peterson was saying, "Look how successful my team was in the 90’s. I drafted Thomas. I am responsible for that." I felt as though, buried in that speech, was the little voice in Peterson’s head, calling out, trying to justify his other 10 years of failure in Kansas City.
Me and my dad were watching it together, and we kept commenting on how often Carl threw himself into the discussion. At times, it was almost like he was patting himself on the back for drafting DT.
It was an OK speech. But, as you say, DT deserved better. Way better.
By the way,
…NEVER debate on whether or not to post an opinion based upon perceived acceptance or lack thereof.
To use a quote by Robert Anton Wilson:
“Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and “progress,” everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man’s refusal to bow to Authority. We would own no more, know no more, and be no more than the first apelike hominids if it were not for the rebellious, the recalcitrant, and the intransigent. As Oscar Wilde truly said, “Disobedience was man’s Original Virtue.”
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 10, 2009 1:37 AM CDT reply actions
I agree
I would have liked to seen an emotional Marty than business Carl. I know in my heart Marty would have been crying even more during the speech, but that would not have been a bad thing. The point of the speech itself is to kind of justify the honor of being enshrined in the Hall. Basically tell us why that person is there, Carl seemed to me to be making a case for myself by using DT’s success.
The part that really left me with an impression was the asking all those people to stand, even students who just go to the school named after DT, they never met him and I’m guessing they know little about DT other than what the tribute sing in the school itself says. I honestly feel that the speech like Carl himself stayed too long and said too little. I found more justification and heartfelt pride for what DT’s career had been here on AP than what Carl had done.
This was about Mr. Thomas and we should have all watched and thought of nothing but Him and they way he played for the Kansas City Chiefs. in my opinion
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
alright so I had a day to think it over and heres what i thought
I liked the scouting story, however, did Carl really need to throw in the “he didnt work out for us at the combine and we were heated” comment?
It sounded like most of the speech was ripped from Gretz’s presentation to the voters speech. Nobody else spouted off statistics as much as Carl did.
The speech needed more stories (on and off the field) that showed us DT’s character like the scouting speech did.
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."

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