The Pioli Puzzle

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 12:13 AM CDT Comment 41 comments


			R. Price		D. Morgan
			M. Brown		J. McGraw
			J. Page		B. Pollard
			*Free Safety*		*Strong Safety*

	T. McBride		C. Smith				P. Walters
	A. Studebaker		D. Williams		J. Belcher		V. Redd
	T. Hali		M. Beisel		C. Mays		M. Vrabel
	*OLB*		D. Johnson		Z. Thomas		*OLB*
			*ILB*		*ILB*
J. Bates						D. Gales		L. Fryar
R. Colclough		B. Greenwood		D. Lokey		W. Gilberry		D. Washington
T. Daniels		G. Dorsey		R. Edwards		A. Boone		M. Leggett
B. Carr		A. Magee		TANK Tyler		T. Jackson		B. Flowers
*Cornerback*		*Def. End*		*Nose Tackle*		*Def. End*		*Cornerback*

*Wide Receiver*		*Tackle*	*Guard*	*Center*	*Guard*	*Tackle*	*Tight End*	*Wide Receiver*
A. Toomer		B. Albert	B. Waters	R. Niswanger	M. Goff	H. Taylor	S. Ryan	D. Bowe
D. Darling		B. Richardson	W. Smith	E. Ghiaciuc	B. De La Puente	D. McIntosh	B. Cottam	M. Bradley
T. Johnson		C. Goldberg	D. Harris		T. Washington	C. Brown	J. O'Connell	T. Copper
							T. Crabtree	J. Webb
	*Slot Receiver*
	B. Engram			*Quarterback*
	R. Wright		*Fullback*	M. Cassel	*Tailback*
	Q. Lawrence		M. Cox	T. Thigpen	L. Johnson
			J. Collins	B. Croyle	J. Charles
				M. Gutierrez	J. Battle		*KR/PR*	*Punter*
*Long Snapper*	*Kicker*				J. Williams		R. Wright	D. Colquitt
T. Purdum	R. Succop				K. Smith		Q. Lawrence
					D. Savage		D. Savage

You can see Pioli's guys all over this roster. We all knew that would be the case, but I am impressed with the job he has done so far. If I were a Herm draftee, I would be sweating it a little bit.

I can totally understand if everyone is sick of me posting these depth charts, but I think it is kinda cool to see the roster in this format. With all the new names added the last few days, this roster has changed a ton in less than a week! I also wanted to shake things up a bit by taking all the speculation and conjecture from all the likely suspects, and show the 53 as it "might be". Take it with a grain of salt. And keep rooting on your favorites!

Guys making a case: Battle, Studebaker, Ghiaciuc, Ryan, Belcher, and Colclough.

Guys struggling to find the zone: McBride, Dorsey, Demorrio Williams, Engram, D. Washington, Q. Lawrence, J. Williams, and McIntosh.

Don't blink, it very well could change again tomorrow.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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i like these dept charts keep um coming

give you a good over all view.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Aug 6, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Sex

Until this one gets started: http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/

We will have to settle for fiction instead of fact. Anyday now…

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1 on that

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Aug 6, 2009 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

man i cant wait till the chiefs r on tv

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Aug 6, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

U and me both

I want to see how these guys are playing for myself. Next year I plan on going to St. Joe for Training Camp. That will be awesome!

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont even know where the hell thats at but thats cool

i would love to go to that see the guys. i mean i wish i had a way to see those guys all the time once a year isnt enough .

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Aug 6, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd, Q.

I think you should have a working “draft” of the work up in a central location all the time. I find myself having to sort thru old posts

Now was it the ‘53’ post or the Roster Post or the Camp Roster Post…?

Now I’ll have to remember “Pioli Puzzle” next time i want to double-check my thinking.

Seriously, your work has been a working reference for at least one of us, Q. Even the spots where I might disagree, at least I can see everybody more or less “in place.”

by hmills110 on Aug 6, 2009 2:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree

This makes it so much easier to see just where people stand in each position group. I’m sure there will be some wild cards due to special teams play. I’d be surprised at this point if there aren’t several more moves made before camp cuts come. And once other teams make camp cuts we will see what Haley was saying about everyone competing against all the guys in all the other camps too. We may not recognize half the team by opening day.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Aug 6, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agree Zodeman

This puzzle is a long way from being solved.

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

While I think ST is important, Zode, ...

I bet it’s performance on regular O and D that has MUCH heavier weight. ST will be a factor, but I think its importance will show up more in the willingness of the Chiefs to risk more good players on ST. Sure, it’s an injury risk, but risk of injury is more of a wholistic thing, strongly related to the quality of the players alongside you.

Speaking of ST, I noticed Greg Manusky making some noise in the coaching ranks (49ers DC). Kinda reminds me of Schotty or Cowher – LB with tons of smarts and heart, but not flashy athlete. I’ll be watching and listening how things go for him under Singletary (GREAT LB in the coaching ranks). Wouldn’t it be cool to have the Polack coaching in KC at some point down the road?

by hmills110 on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Mills

I think it adds to the conversation, and hopefully challenges us to see things differently. I could make this chart 50 times, and it would come up different every time.

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1 mills

by sunny D on Aug 6, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just make sure you WRECK these Q CHARTS.

They deserve a spot near the front of The Parade.

by hmills110 on Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Favorite chart! rec'd Q!

I usually rec without saying it, but I hope others will so that we have this at the top for reference at all times the next four weeks. For what it’s worth, keeping it named the same (e.g. Pioli Puzzle – I like it) will be helpful.

Great overview. So you think McIntosh is gone, eh? It doesn’t exactly seem like he’s got any fire in him. He may make a decent back-up LT for another team, if that’s the case.

by sunny D on Aug 6, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Sunny!

Not sure about McIntosh? But he definitely does not seem motivated. But he could just as easy end up starting too. After reading the camp accounts, I thought it would be cool to see it where everyone “appears” to be. Like putting Dorsey behind Magee, I doubt that will be the case come September.

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cuts to 53 will be interesting this year

Since recent cuts at camp were guys who were injured, I get the feeling that there’s not a lot of patience for “projects” by this staff. Show me you can be on the field. Kolby will probably be PUP, but people like Cottam, Morgan, Demorrio Williams, etc. better do whatever they can to get and stay out on the field.

by sunny D on Aug 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said

No one is greater than the team. Which makes me wonder about “their” guys like Washington and Lawrence. Neither have wowed yet, so if they don’t improve and start making a case for themselves, will they make the roster?

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good questions

The “wow” factor is the difference between fans and coaches in camp, I believe. Chris made a good point in another post today re: beware the short highlight reel of guys in camp who get a tweet about a big hit or catch. We fans (especially bloggers) tend to make mental tallies everytime Haley mentions a name or Looney lists a lunge. It’s only natural for us to think the other guys are invisible. (What else do we have to go on, after all?)

But the position coaches are seeing everything, including whether guys are doing what they’re supposed to be doing. And I also don’t get the feeling that Haley and Pioli are too concerned with the “sunk costs” of whether a player is “their guy” or not. I think they’re more concerned with who will help me win a game and not whether keeping them will justify a decision I made weeks or months ago.

by sunny D on Aug 6, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

+1

What I like to go off of is reports of Haley singling out a player. Seems to be a little more solid than some guy noticing a catch and tweeting about it.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Aug 6, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Nailed it, sunny D.

One of the trademarks of New England while Pioli was there was the number of sure-thing veterans who were released or traded.

Let the measure of wisdom be the Won-Loss column, and not an obstinate commitment to yesterday’s take.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 7, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another damn Depth Chart!?

Hah, I’m only kidding. I LOVE these things.

Just a little jealous that you make them much better than I do.

Every once in a while when I’m bored I try to do this on paper from memory (usually just the starters). Its a good way to know your chiefs.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Aug 6, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Haaaaa! That is the response I was expecting.

And I am mobile today, so I am really sloooooooow replying.

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's all good.

what program do you use to build these?

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Aug 6, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is just an Open Office speadsheet

I have done some tables in html, but this is much easier!
Chris and Joel are the ones to ask about this stuff. If I had more time I would try to pretty it up. But it is about content anyway. :)

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's how I figured I'd do it, if pressed.

Then are you saving as HTML, or just making an image out of it? (Too lazy to check.)

by hmills110 on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It transfers very nicely to HTML in Open Office

or you can cut and paste as long as it has a border on it.

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm. Bet there's more to it than that.

But transferring to HTML makes sense. I’ve used spreadsheets to build tables by hand, too, using fill-down features to build in the tags between cells and copying and pasting the result.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 7, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

printed....

so I can study it :)

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 6, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cool

Don’t study too hard! It has probably already changed.

Have we signed any new players today yet?

by TheQ on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heather what high school you go to ?

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Aug 6, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

actually

I’m new to OC….I grew up in LA county. I graduated from Azusa High. I’ve been in the Fullerton area the last 8yrs.

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 6, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh i see azusa is where i do a lot of 4 wheelin

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sean Ryan's name keeps cropping up.

Haley’s comments are TOTALLY in-line with MY thoughts on TE. Ryan’s the least flashy, but is showing the kind of fierce physicality you want and need from TE.

I THOUGHT Cottam was that kind of TE, looking at his measurables, but along with the highly visible drops in camp this year, criticisms of him playing “too high” that surfaced again when Tony G. left, have me thinking “Just what we DON’T need. Another TE who just wants to be tall and catch passes.”

The reason I bring this up is Haley saying that TEs who BLOCK in this league are actually becoming quite rare. I noticed that when scanning the 2009 mock drafts, and all these wonderful pass catchers up near the top of the list, with less than a handful who were ready to come in and block in the NFL. So Haley’s take is pretty much the same as mine, which means, for once, maybe, he’s on the right track. ;o)

by hmills110 on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I also think some of the issue with Cottam's play

is that he truly lacks playing time and experience. He is talented athletically, but is a long way from being comfortable out there. I love to fish, and T.O.W. (time on water) is one of the most important things. You can learn how to fish, but what makes you better is actually doing it!

Now I really want to go fishing…

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hope you caught I big un :)

Enjoyed

"It would be Derrick. He'd say, 'Gun, go home and get some sleep. Don't worry. We'll win." Get some sleep DT, Don't worry, We'll win Again!

"He could hear the tone of my voice change and he got this big smile on his face. I melted like butter." Marty on Derrick Thomas. God Bless You, DT
Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 7, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha ha ha.

Dude, I am a much better fisherman than a blogger! Doesn’t take much! :)

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just a Thought and some enthusiasm :)

Is enough
Corey Smith might be moving up :)

"It would be Derrick. He'd say, 'Gun, go home and get some sleep. Don't worry. We'll win." Get some sleep DT, Don't worry, We'll win Again!

"He could hear the tone of my voice change and he got this big smile on his face. I melted like butter." Marty on Derrick Thomas. God Bless You, DT
Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 7, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mays was playing with the starters due to ZT being out and Dacus being cut

Mays has some Pioli connection doesn’t he?

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry C. Mays

Looking at LB’s and started reading sigh

"It would be Derrick. He'd say, 'Gun, go home and get some sleep. Don't worry. We'll win." Get some sleep DT, Don't worry, We'll win Again!

"He could hear the tone of my voice change and he got this big smile on his face. I melted like butter." Marty on Derrick Thomas. God Bless You, DT
Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 7, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No worries

For all we know C. Smith is moving on up!

Deluxe apartment style.

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Updated Chart 8/7

It is getting really hard to fit guys in the 53. I get the feeling De La Puente is a guy that Haley likes, so will he play Center, or back up guard? I think a lot of the final cuts may be folks they think they can sneak on the PS.

by TheQ on Aug 7, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs