Long ball threat?
by royaldaddy on Aug 4, 2009 6:42 PM CDT
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While I like the Toomer signing, it does make you wonder where the long ball threat is. Bowe, Toomer, and Engram are all possession receivers. Bradley is a decent option for speed and I really don't know much about Copper, but I hear he has some wheels too. I know it would seem like we are stocking up on old recievers, but I read somewhere that Brandon Stokley may not be kept by the Broncos this year. I would love to see a guy like Stokley burning down the sideline this year. Tell me if I'm completely nuts or not. Has he lost it? Would it be too many old guys? Or would it give us the deep threat that we desperately need? If not Stokley, could you see picking up anyone else for the role?
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Lawrence and Bradley
I think Bradley is a playmaker… if he stays healthy, he’s the deep threat.
Lawrence has the speed… we’ll see if he can “get it” in time to contribute on offense.
ALSO
I think people underestimate Bowe’s ability to get down the field.
He’s not a typical posession guy, like Stokley or Engram.
He’s more of a Fitzgerald type (hopefully he gets to be that good!)
I don’t see what good Stokley would do the Chiefs.
I think Toomer is the last FA WR they will bring in.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 4, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I think Pioli has set the precedent.
If We don’t have what we need, We will go find it.
Yesterday OLB/ST/Training Camp Fodder player, Today WR/Mentor/Training Camp Fodder player.
So we lose a Guard and a TE.
Maybe tommorrow we will pick up a FA Guard.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 4, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
There are some vets I’m keeping my eye on to get cut during training camp I think I’ll write up a post.
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by 808NaNz808 on Aug 4, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Prep
and looking forward to it.
Been a while I think Nanz
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 4, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying Pioli is done with all FA
I’m saying he’s done at WR.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 4, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pending
What Steve’s trying to say is if there is an improvement that can be made Pioli will pull the trigger. Currently only two recievers (Bowe and Engram) if that have guaranteed jobs for 09
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Aug 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make that 3
no way Toomer doesn’t have a job.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 4, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still on the block
Haley has no past experience with Toomer and Toomer’s going to have to earn every next day. There’s a reason we only gave him a one year deal that wouldn’t cost us a dime to cut him before the season
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Aug 4, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying that
there’s no way they brought in a guy of his caliber to cut.
he’s staying
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 4, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Nanz
I do think Toomer will earn his keep. He hasn’t had gaudy numbers the last couple of years, but his numbers were the kind of production numbers the Chiefs need. I see a guy like that having a serious impact for this team. Good pick-up for KC.
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by Buck'O on Aug 4, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O Line
We don’t have the offensive line to allow a consistent deep ball to form. Toomer is just what we need. If the run game goes and we have even marginal production from TEs then we can worry a bit more about the long ball.
by popum on Aug 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
So true. When your O-line is suspect, lets forget about the deep ball. We simply move the chains, 1st downs after 1st downs. I like the old niners offense (ala west coast o), move the chains and grind up the clock with 13 play drives, make the defense work!
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Aug 4, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's synergistic.
A lot of long balls to Jerry Rice were uncorked the instant the QB set his feet in the 3-step drop.
Yes, better protection is HUGE in creating long-ball threats, but the bottom line is WR speed. If you have somebody who can get behind other people FAST, your o-line just instantly got better.
by hmills110 on Aug 5, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Bowe reminds me a lot of a young T.O. type of receiver. Hands, speed, big, fluid runner, good routes, always improving. One thing Bowe has that’s a lot better than TO is his leaping ability.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Aug 4, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What really seperates Bowe is his
freakish ability to mow over everyone after he catches the ball. That, to me, is his best attribute. He almost looks like some of the greater power running backs after he catches the ball. Maybe it’s because he’s mainly taking on DBs… but still.
by jonnyu on Aug 5, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the comparison.
But unfortuantely they share one more thing, drops.
That being said, there is nothing I love more than Dwayne after the catch (DAC).
by Ben S on Aug 5, 2009 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They share that trait, but, frankly, Bowe's technique is better.
Other than concentration, there’s no earthly reason for Bowe’s drops. Owens has a STRONG tendency to muff an in-the-numbers-pass, because he lets it hit him in the chest. Bowe gets his hands on the ball, first. HIS issue is not securing the ball before planning his next move.
by hmills110 on Aug 5, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Stag
Bradley will still be our “deep threat” and Bowe is not real speedy but, I can definitely see the comparison between him and Fitzgerald. Same type of speed, body type, and especially the way they can beat anybody for the jump ball.
So we have a stud #1 do it all kind of guy.
2 proven possession receivers.
1 fairly surehanded deep threat guy.
Sounds pretty good.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is impressive when you lay it out like that
Now all we can do is hope each of these guys can stand and deliver. Chan has to be one happy man right now.
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by Buck'O on Aug 4, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ...
We’ve got the guy who helped turn Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston from a great receiving corps on a laughing stock team to a great receiving corps playing for a Super Bowl now coaching our team.
I’m not saying the guy is a WR-coaching genius, but he does have a history of working with some pretty damn good ones and getting them to reach the pinnacle of their potential. If we’ve got a brilliant receiving corps (and we might), Haley is the guy to get the best out of them.
by JacinB on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stokley is not a deep threat
hes wes welker before wes welker
by dgoddard on Aug 4, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Aug 4, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toomer's a good pick-up.
His signing says the Chiefs aren’t currently very good at WR, which was my worry.
He doesn’t answer the deep ball threat question. He’ll be great for schoolin’ the youngsters, and he’s a player I’ve liked for YEARS. But his signing tells me that I was correct, and the Chiefs haven’t yet found the answer at WR.
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by hmills110 on Aug 4, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you dont need a burner to have a deep threat
if u run the ball with sucess which we should play action will get u all the deep threat that u need
by dgoddard on Aug 4, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes sir
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Aug 5, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It helps.
But you don’t want defenses to be able to cheat up, because they have no fear of your flanker speed.
Having said that, I DO think you can be a creditable offense, with GOOD (not great) WRs, if your play-fake has teeth in it. If teams have to stuff the box to stop your running, you can win a lot of games with Engram, Toomer and Bowe.
by hmills110 on Aug 5, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Q Lawrence runs a 4.2 and can flat out fly. The guy has insane quickness.
Bradley is indeed a deep threat, Taurus Johnson was also a guy that can make a big play…
Copper indeed…
But I dont think Stokley is that much faster or better than Toomer…Lawrence is the wild card, if he takes this hard coaching well….and responds, and learns…he can take it to the house…
this is a team that needs big plays. Charles/Lawrence are hopefully those guys
by SDChief on Aug 5, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Key for guys like Toomer, Engram and Taurus
will be whether or not the QB can extend plays. If he can (and Cassel and Thigpen can), these are 3 guys who will make some things happen.
But it begs the question of who’s gonna bring instant “Don’t let ’em beat us deep” concerns to the opposition. If Haley’s ridin’ Lawrence a lot, that could be a very GOOD sign.
by hmills110 on Aug 5, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC wants a predominately passing attack...
…they need folks (Toomer, Engram) who can actually catch.
by FrankPitts on Aug 5, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We should probably be a predominate RUN attack
this year IMHO
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Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 5, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lied we need to kick 65 yard field goals if we expect to win this year :(
Party is up goddard :) keep checking Home page
"He could hear the tone of my voice change and he got this big smile on his face. I melted like butter." Marty on Derrick Thomas. God Bless You, DT
Welcome to the NFL Hall of Fame. You Deserve it :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 5, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The goal is balance.
And it’ll start with being convincing on the ground. But when looking at the NFC East teams we’re facing, not a snowball’s chance in hell if the QB-WR connection can’t be made against the blitz.
by hmills110 on Aug 5, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets just throw ne
a fourth rounder for moss…..it worked bfore
by dgoddard on Aug 5, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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