Report: Chiefs Sign Amani Toomer to One Year Deal
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM CDT
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John Clayton of ESPN.com is reporting that the Kansas City Chiefs have signed former New York Giants wide receiver Amani Toomer.
Per Clayton, citing a source, the contract's duration is one year.
Updates to follow...
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This gives the Chiefs ten wide receivers on the roster: Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram, Terrance Copper, Devard Darling, Taurus Johnson, Quinten Lawrence, Jeff Webb and Rodney Wright.
Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star confirms and says Toomer will be at today's afternoon practice, which starts in about an hour.
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jackpot
love it.
will the “experts” stop saying that “Cassel doesn’t have the weapons around him that he did in New England” ???
Sure, he’s no Randy Moss… but Bowe, Engram, Toomer, Bradley and whoever else makes the team is a pretty solid group!!!
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
Why can't he ever do it in a game?
He always practices well. Thats why he has stayed on the roster the last couple years but, it never seems to translate.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
+10000 we got rid of Parker now Webb.....
and for that matter…any other receiver that has a name in some way related to spiderman. On the flipside, pick up anyone named cancer, boil, bunyon, or melinoma.
by MasterBlaster7 on Aug 4, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+10001
I wish Parker would have developed better! I think you make a valid point with the spiderman approach to trimming our roster.
-Robbie
by Chiefsfan2012 on Aug 4, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard that
They are taking a look at Tom "Explosive Diarrhea" Smith.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 4, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was debating this last night...
My vote: Cut Webb, Darling and Wright
Keep: Bowe, Bradley, Toomer, Engram
Special teams/ bubble guys: Lawrence, Copper
Practice Squad: Taurus Johnson
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
I'd keep Darling around myself.
He has some talent and I think he makes a good project.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
true
and he has looked good running with the first team this offseason…
But, someone has to go, and I figure it’s him or Bradley.
I say keep Bradley
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
I'm Pulling for
Terrance Cooper. I really am. I unfortunetly cut him off of my 53 man roster. Even though we are no where near that. For meantime though I have either Wright or Webb going Bye Bye. Taurus Johnson is close as well.
Really? You think they will have to cut two WRs???
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Id have to say we find a way to keep Bradley and Darling as backups..
and put Taurus Johnson on the practice squad.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
ok...
if that happens, Webb, Wright and Copper all get cut, IMO
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
done.
Let’s let Pioli know we’ve decided.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 4, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
lol
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by DThomasReigns on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and rec'd, stag.
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by DThomasReigns on Aug 4, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yo man you all be wrong bout dis 1
cuz i be pretty sure bill franklin be the first gone. thats what happen when you a tiger. aight, you right, i’m da asshole.
Like the front page says
A good leading vet to push the young guys. But this one is going to contribute
Heck yeah!
I just jumped up and screamed it at work! my buddy here is a Broncs fan and he just goes damn.. thats $hi**y for us ! haha great day and thanks for making my day at work Mr Pioli!
Me too!
I was in a meeting at work when I got the text. I had to explain to my VP why I was so excited!
YES!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo
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by cpa913 on Aug 4, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Solid is the key word.
Its like the Pats teams that won the SBs.(Pre-Moss,mind you) Solid players all around with very Superstars.
why not now we have major dept damn we are looking deep in every position
I dont think we have been this deep on the roster
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
im calling it right now
we are going to the playoffs im telling you no doubt in my mind
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
we certainly helped our chances anyways!
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The way the practices seem to be going along with this signing..
We are going to kick the crap out of San Diego…twice!
Go Chiefs!!!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgive my potentially poor taste, but:
We finally get LJ to clean up his act, and we sign Amani?
In other words, we got rid of a “cancer” and ended up with a “Toomer”?
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Where have you been KP?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Lying low and waiting for the season, PVC
And damn, am I ready. =)
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Usually...
I just lurk in the background…read what posts I can and then get back to that thing that is supposed to pay the bills…
But had to log on to REC this POST!!
That was GREAT!
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 4, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I can just hear Chris Berman now:
Cassel to a “Well Dressed” Amani Toomer!!!
by florida chief on Aug 4, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna day that yesterday.
I should have
The Don's gonna make you and offer you can't refuse.
by Haleystheman on Aug 5, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
just get ur tickets ready
i mean look at our new line backers we never had that type of leader ship going for us
our secondary is solid . now our recievers just became dependeble we have the best coach in the league as far as it comes to developing a good recievers core and he have the hailey and gailey duo phhh we are going to be in the playoffs no doubt noo douuubt in my mind
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
wit all due respect
aint nothin exciting ON da field bout Vrabel or Thomas. If dey be playin a lot, we still gettin hammered on d
yo man
u not see zach thomas last year? dude is turrrrrible, specially in da 3-4
Dude, what are you smokin???
ZT was the #2 tackler on the Cowboys team last year AND he was playing out of his natural position.
ZT is still a player.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yo man
u not see zach thomas last year? dude is turrrrrible
If 94 tackles is “turrrrrible”, I have no idea how to qualify all of our 2008 linebackers not named Derrick Johnson…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
turrible would apply here too
and dont hate when i say i told you so when zt flops. i can deal wit vrable i guess. but he aint a sack machine like he used to be, and our dline aint doin him any favors
royal flush
is smokin the royal hippie lettuce i ll tell you that zack is an animal vrabal is an animal scheme scheme scheme if teddy bruski can come back from a stroke and play in that d these guys can
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
hell ya got that KUSH nigga
but check the #s vrabel already be slippin. Nobody answers me when I ask why signing 4 guys whose ages total 141 years to a 2-14 team in a division that the chargers will EASILY win is a good idea. Why we blockin the future? I don’t get it, much like I aint got a clue why we give Pioli the benefit of the doubt when he pisses off veterans, hires a douche of a coach, sits on his money when he’s got a shitload of it, only to sign has-beens, and when, according to everyone everwhere, ya Pioli was important in NE, but BELICHICK HAD THE FINAL SAY EVERY TIME. Also, he gives Cassel a huge contract super prematurely, and under his watch so far, the chiefs have won EXACTLY ZERO GAMES.
Someone step up and show me the reasons why we think he’s god and all his moves be unfallible.
Great, now Kansas City has TWO delusional GM's who think that contending in 2010 is still a possibility. Note to an NFL GM: if you win 2 games one year, dont expect signing four players whose ages sum to 141 and expect to make the playoffs the next year. Super reach for Tyson Jackson, huge contract to a QB who's still very much a question mark, questionable FA signing, why have we already given Pioli the benefit of the doubt? On the other hand, I have nothin to say about Dayton Moore, he's dead to me.
If letting Vets play instead of rookies is blocking the future
then Herm Edwards is why were doing that
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
broncos are a mess raiders they dont even have pads on yet phhhh
and the chargers we own the chargers they got lucky last year
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
i think its all up to our D line and O line if they can be decent we will
be good
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
+1
And the reports out of camp seem to be that our O-line is playing pretty well.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Get Tyson in Now!
Don’t be Chicken
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by cpa913 on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Little birdie tells me that Jackson
has unofficially agreed to terms. Minor details still needs to be worked out (Seattle is also close to signing Curry). He is on his way to the camp and the deal will probably be made official tomorrow or even may be later on today
That is similar messages I have heard.
should be tomorrow, and no later than Friday.
This is the first time i have been on the site...
when news of a signing broke… This is nuts! i keep getting the pop up in the lower right like every 30 seconds that a new post has come in. This is my favorite Chiefs info site ever, you guys kick ass!
by xfatdannx on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Welcome
And………….WOOHOO! Super ridiculous stoked!!
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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woohoo
you tink dis be fun, shit man, da day king carl was overthrown was a party dat make this look like a middle school girl slumba party
Oh yeah, by 100 times.
That is most definitely all.
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
that be like
comparin a mazeratti to a razor scooter
O Yeah BABY!
I have been so fired up since we heard he worked out yesterday. The pieces are coming togther with key experience in specific positions. I love that many of these verterans have a ring or have been to the dance like Engram and Brown. WE ARE GOING TO SURPRISE TEAMS STARTING WITH THE RAVENS!
BTW, Can anyone remember the Chiefs making this much of an impact in free agency and signings? Awesome!
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
anyone who says they didn’t do enough in the offseason is crazy
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
chiefsfan 1970
this has been the best offseason of all time nfl network needs to put that top 10 together we have a new gm a new coaching staff with super bowl experience we bring in vets we sign cassel phh its crazy
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I think we’ve done everything with good reasoning!
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Ravens...
why didn’t they sign this guy? Dumb asses. They could have really used him. Oh well. One man’s trash, another man’s 500 yards and 5 touch downs.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
No kidding right? This would have made a lot of sense for the Ravens.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously
cuz they already talked a thirty year old playa outta retirement
Don't forget Vrabel...and his 3 SB rings. :)
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by DThomasReigns on Aug 4, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive been a Chiefs fan since about 80
Hell I have a picture with Bell and have worn a certain kickers superbowl ring…those things are huge. Anyways, I havent seen an off season this wicked awesome since well before I stopped using the term wicked awesome. My feathers were ruffled when we didn’t nab curry, but seeing the Michale Bay transformer of a team…well…transform is pretty….well…wicked awesome. I cant wait to see what this looks like when the rubber meets the road.
by MasterBlaster7 on Aug 4, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
wow we are looking solid and we havent even had team cuts yet where we could pick up a couple of
guys a couple of vets to fill gaps im likeing it
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Now if we can just get TJ in camp
And Dorsey off his ass, we could get this house a rockin!!!!!
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I'm so pissed at Dorsey
what the hell does he think he is doing? Goign to Crispy Cream with McSack and Brian Waters.
He needs this ass kicking Haley is giving him.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
He isn't fine
he is out of shape. It’s his job to cdome to camp in shape. That’s what the boss said. He’s gettin gpaid millions of dollars to get his ass on the stair climber in the off season so he can play to his potential.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give him he's still rehabbing his shin,
BUt, come on! I agree with you, he needs to suck it up and do his job! If he doesn’t soon I think Magee is going to take his spot from him.
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
who said he's out of shape?
an injury doesn’t mean he’s fat and lazy…
If it was the regular season, he’d be playing.
The coaches are holding him out, IMO
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
That's possible as well...
BUt, even then they know he needs the reps at that new position…
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
he does need the reps.
Magee has been looking good, though
When Dorsey and Jackson get to practice, we’ll really see what they’ve got.
I can’t wait
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
Reps Smeps
If he is over weight and out of shape all the reps in the world aren’t going to help him.
Haley is trying to make ALL the players accountable, no matter who they are or where they were drafted. Just because he was a #1 pick doesnt mean he gets to come to camp out of shape.
If he is being made an example of I think that is a good thing. Get with the program or get out of town.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
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I agree with both to a point...
He’s out of shape, but he needs to get in there…Haley says he don’t want “Yo-Yo players” so. I’d say he needs to step the hell up!
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
ha
my bro (a donky fan) tell me when we drafted him “Congrats on Ryan Sims 2.0” Well, I guess he be right. But shit, in all honesty man, we don’t even need him to be a starter. who thinks he gonna be a better DE than da others we got? I don’t. At least we can blame this 1 on King Carl.
what i meant to say
was dat just because he be a top 5 pick don’t mean we gotta play him even if he suck
I see what you're sayin...
I just hate for him to go to waste.
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The coaches said he is out of shape
as in he failed the conditioning test. There have been variou sreports that he is out of shape and was not being allowed to practice and that Haley is busting his balls all over the place. As he should.
He is a first round pick making big bucks. A lot is expected from him. Theleast of which is being ready to play.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's got Krispy Kremes?! haha
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the signing
but I am pretty bummed we didn’t grab Hacket too. He has been nicked up the last few years but his last year in Seattle he tore it up. Lots of potential and great hands. We need to start developing our own talent but D.J. is relatively young and a major upgrade over Webb.
no need
No need for Hackett… he’s an OK receiver…
but the Chiefs have some OK receivers on the roster already.
Toomer is a CLEAR upgrade, and gives a reliable target
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
+1
I don’t see Hackett being an upgrade over Bradley at all. in fact, I like Bradley better myself…More upside potential.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dorsey needs to step up
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by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Keep flying under the radar!
No one expects anything from the Chiefs this year, maybe except for our divisions rivals. We have a real chance to surprise and put teams on the ropes. If the defense can stop the run and get some pressures we will be vastly improved with these offensive additions! I predict 9-7 with a solid chance to win the division. Look out AFC West!
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 4, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Like I said earlier...
We have two chances to hand San Diego losses. That and they also have to play the whole NFC East like we do. We COULD win the division this year.
Things are lookin up here in Chiefs nation.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Just saw this in a text from ESPN
Awesome pickup! Pioli is the man!
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Aug 4, 2009 1:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Jay! Where in the hell have you been lately?
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by DThomasReigns on Aug 4, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Pioli running for president He would have my vote.
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by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Next issue to address -
O-Line. I like the Toomer addition but never be satisfied people!
To a strong 2009
Maybe I meant to say..
Replace MacIntosh with someone who wants to actually be on the field and I’ll be a little more content.
fine by me
Herb may take that spot, whether Sackintosh wants it or not.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
Lots of talk about Herb the last couple days.
I’ve been on that bandwagon for a while. Maybe he can take the job?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Herb Taylor is going to win that job!
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by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
McIntosh ain't no cross-country runner....
….but maybe Herb Taylor is. HA!
I’m all for it. I’ve heard nothing but positives about Herb Taylor’s progress, even last year. I have no faith in Damion McIntosh. It would not bother me one bit if he loses his starting spot….he’s the weak link, and apparently, he doesn’t have the work ethic to make up for his lack of talent.
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I don't think Mac be that bad
sure he aint great but shit he was playin next to a revolvin door of shitty guards. and he still wadnt dat bad
Exactly
Toomer’s not the savior, or even close to the best player on the team. Just another sign of the blitz toward excellence. Now. ASAP. And don’t you think it charges most of the rest of the team in camp to see someone like Toomer trotting (okay sprinting – geesh Haley) into the locker room and onto the field with you?
+1000000
just watched his smugness on nfl.com… Sounds like will be firing off a few of the immortal line: D’OH!!!
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Aug 4, 2009 1:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
I think ATL is going to have a pretty good shot of winning the NFC South. We’re going to have to get past a damn brutal schedule to make it out of the AFC West.
make it out of the afc west??
im sorry but as long as we play the broncs and raiders twice a yr i dont see us having a hard time in our division we could in all seriosness win every division game this year the bolts suck too
The other AFC West teams
have pretty much the same tough schedule.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 4, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I already took the Patriot way on dis
We give him a nice sendoff, but bein nice aint get you anything in this league. Bye, now you don’t mean nuttin to me.
...is that called Karma?
I’ve been slowly thinking that those veterans that signed here in the offseason…really believe that the Chiefs can win…this year..
I also think that the Chiefs players …the ones that were left over ..believe it..
man…Just got this feeling we may be seeing something special.
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Im probably going to get a lot of flack for this but....
I like the new receiver corp better without Tony G. Before you get out the pitch forks…let me explain. Tony G is awesome, but he as always been kinda a crutch for the chiefs. Whenever every other receiver sucked, Tony always stepped in to take up the slack. I think its better now that the receivers don’t have their training wheels. If the receivers screw up its “all on them”. Also, the QB is going to be forced to perform. No emergency dump pass to Tony G. So, life after Tony G isn’t looking so bad.
by MasterBlaster7 on Aug 4, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point regarding the safety blanket
When you say you “like the new receiver corp better,” I guess it means that we’ll be forced to look their way more often. WR stats should definitely improve. Are you saying the added focus and concentration will actually results in better play out of them? If I drink what you’re pouring, I s’pose that it could help WR motivation during camp, as well as the season.
I’m hard pressed to say we’re a better team without Tony G. But it’s 2009.
get ready for the glory days, sorry tony g you fucked up
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by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah...
I bet Gonzo is shitting himself right now.
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i like where we headed
but da dirty birds will still be better den da chiefs
Hopefully he or Engram or both don’t make this squad and give us the oldest WR squad in the league. Toomer is done.
Huh?
According to recent data, Toomer is better than everyone on our team except for Bowe…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Did you actually watch the last part of last season where the Jints lost Plaxico and needed a WR to step up? Toomer absolutely disappeared, and was ultimately benched, and then let go by the Giants, who badly need a WR. Sure he’s had a great career. So did Marvin Harrison. But they are done. They are just names. And I hate seeing the Chiefs get back into the Carl type addiction to older veterans. At least it’s just a 1 year contract, unlike Carl, and he can be an easy cut. But I do hope he is cut, or Engram. I don’t want both on this squad.
I don't care if the Giants cut him
Toomer is an upgrade over Jeff Webb or Devard Darling, hence, the team is better for having signed him.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
That's fine
but I’ll trust Pioli’s opinion over yours…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 4, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reliable hands.
Thats why we signed Toomer.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I do also, but I’m pointing out why the Giants, a Great organization with a very astute GM in Jerry Reese let him go. Pioli will make some mistakes, and IMO this is one. We’ll see how it works out.
Point is, fans get waaaaaaay to attracted to names, when the guy can’t play anymore.
He's basically got a training camp invite
we’re not losing a whole lot of opportunity cost. this could hardly be called a mistake. It could be if he’s starting and washed up.
Way to make this an interesting thread, dablue!
Kudos for at least that. :)
If Toomer is a has-been, there’s the month of August to figure it out. If he’s cut on the way to 53, I won’t be mad. But I am pumped now. If we end the season with both Engram and Toomer, yeah it makes us weaker for the future. Good point. But I am very happy we’re not sitting on the current crew of WRs. And I don’t want Matt Jones.
Umm, the Giants should be more concerned that they have the wrong Manning at QB
Yea, I know, and Trent Dilfer has a SuperBowl ring too.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
dey should just be hopin
eli aint stashin a heater in his belt a la Plaxico “MC Bob” Burress
Remember that when Toomer catches the game winning TD
in Week 5 at Arrowhead.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
The Giants didn't have a #1 like D-Bowe to keep the pressure off.
Toomer and Engram will both be successful BECAUSE of a #1 receiver in D-bowe who teams have to respect. While Bowe is pulling double coverage, one of these guys will find a way to get open.
I would agree with you if we were counting on Toomer as our #1.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 It's not like PEYTON Manning was throwing him the ball last year
Let’s see what a Cassel…Well dressed Amani Toomer combo is going to look like
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
eli
had a 2-1 TD:int and made the pro bowl on the way to 12-4 w/o his best (and only) WR…
Dude da blue guy you act like
toomer is going to be starting and is the savior to this team. WHich is not the case the guy is a roll player if he can come in make a couple catches a game get a first down when needed we are good that will be his role its all about roles right now
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Aug 4, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We aren't asking him to be a #1
Of COURSE he disappeared when teams could put their #1 Corner on him because Plax was gone. That won’t happen in KC because they better be covering Bowe. If Toomer has 5 catches a game and ends up around 500 yards and 3-5 scores, it is an upgrade EASILY.
by ChiefsD.T.#58 on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Cuz
Toomer is and always has been a #2. He needs a dominant receiver opposite of him to get into the spaces he finds. Dwayne Bowe provides this. Engram, working out of the slot, has been Seattles leading receiver for a long time but has faltered to injuries lately. While the patch jobs were done with old vet the core of this team is still very much young
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Not jumping the gun
but it is clear that Toomer is an upgrade over all of our WR’s save Bowe and maybe Engram.
A starting lineup of Bowe and Toomer, with Engram as the slot WR looks a lot better than Bowe and Bradley, with Darling as the slot WR.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
totally agree
Dont get me wrong, Toomer was who I’ve wanted as an add-on for a while now. Now we actually have a solid WR crew which we didn’t a month ago and I kept saying that but everyone said “no no its fine, we have good guys like Darling and Bradley”
So I’m happy with this, just not jumping the gun. But overall very happy with ALL of the off-season moves.
His name is an upgrade. The actual player isn’t anymore. Guys get old and fade, yet all fans know is the name. There’s a very good reason a very smart, and WR neeedy team like the Giants didn’t want him back. And it’s not because he’s not a good guy, because he is. But he is done.
His name is an upgrade. The actual player isn’t anymore.
Yes, because you are better at evaluating personnel than Scott Pioli is…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Don’t be silly. But one is allowed to disagree with some of the moves a great GM like Pioli might make. He won’t hit 100%, and this is one I disagree with, especially with Engram here already.
Logic is looking at Webb and Darling
and then realizing that while they may have upside, they aren’t going to help us win THIS YEAR…Engram and Toomer are better WR’s right now. They can help Cassel succeed in 2009… If they can teach the young guys a thing or two, even better…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Again...reliable hands.
Toomer is a very reliable receiver in clutch situations. He makes drive continuing catches at important times of the game.
We STILL need our younger guys but, its good to know that if Bowe is covered, we have two solid vets who can come through in a pinch.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ha that be exactly what Dayton Moore did
after wastin our future for a shot at a 500 season so we can fill dem seats. we all see how well dat worked. and remember, da chiefs were actually worse than da royals last year. so i dont mind the toomer as long as he aint blockin playin time for those actually in da future a dis team.
dablue
seriously…do you think he’s another Ty Law with the Chiefs? Or not quite that bad? How bad do you think Toomer is this year? I hear your point on just signing a name. My gut tells me he’s still got some moves and hands and strength. Even some YAC.
GREAT comparison. Remember how almost ALLChief fans were gaga over signing Ty Law. I HATED it. He was done, and he showed it here.
I'll agree with you there but again...
We were counting on him to save the day for us. Toomer is going to be a role playing WR, D-Bowe is still our biggest receiving threat and everyone who plays us knows that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
dude ty law was the only guy that showed up in the playoffs
againt the colts ty law wasnt that bad ya he got burned a couple times but we had him on an island we played a Defense that wasnt helpful to him
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Plus we have a new coaching staff
Haley’s not going to let his vets (or anyone for that matter) slack off.
by LTownChiefsFan on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If you knew Ty Law was done when we signed him
you need to start betting on games, because you must be psychic – he had the most INT’s of his career the year before we got him – EVERYONE (well, apparently everyone except you) thought he had fully recovered from his injury…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Ty Law was great for us for a year or so
I love the revisionist history because he didn’t take us to the promised land and we signed him actually a year to late.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Yep. I will agree with you on that
The Colts playoff game was really the only time he was very impressive.
He must really hate Payton Manning.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In 2006 he had 69 tackles and 4 INTs
I said we signed him a year to late…10 Ints in 2005, but it’s not like he was “done”
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
We need to get this straight for all the doubters out there
there is a big difference a matter a fact a huuuge fucking difference between what pioli is doing and what king carl was doing . carl signed names to come in and be starters to sell tickets.
pioli is builiding a solid foundation with a huge plan to take over the world and the nfl by storm. HE puts guys in good situations .
like i mentioned before he is building a machine . A mixture of youth and vets that runs on decipline team work and focus its all a structure of dystruction and we are just building a machine that wil be able to plug in new and old players all serving for one purpose. SUPERBOWL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I agree
Like dablue said, we are not signing these guys to multi-year contracts or billing them as saviors. It is clear what we are doing, brining in veteran leadership to key positions to teach the young guys and give us a near term upgrade.
by Scaryclouds on Aug 4, 2009 2:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
the problem with the Ty Law contract was that it was for more than one or two years. He wasn’t terrible the first few years. And the strength of the Toomer contract is that it is for one year. This is a much better/safer signing.
I do, and I do VERY well precisely because I’m competing against those who have a group think mentality, i.e a name is a good player, even if he;s done.
You'd make more money as a GM
and with your psychic prowess you could be the greatest GM ever…imagine it, you’d hit on every draft pick!
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Nope, I’d be a lousy GM. But that’s irrelevant to this conversation. I LOVE Pioli as a GM, he’s exactly who I wanted, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with every move, and this ios one I don’t, and I think I have very valid reasons why I don’t.
I haven't seen what I consider a valid reason
your psychic powers may say he’s done, but the data don’t suggest that
http://www.nfl.com/players/amanitoomer/profile?id=TOO338982
What makes you think he is “done”?
Toomer is not a #1 WR, but we don’t need him to be…I will tell you that if he catches 40 balls for 450 yards he’ll help us a lot more than Webb (who has 36 catches in his entire career) or Darling (who has 35 catches the last two years combined)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Again, I live in NY, and I watched the Giants play last year, and when Plax went down, and they desperately needed a WR to step up, not only didn’t Amani not step up, he became invisible. He was a far worse player at the end of the season then the beginning, he couldn’t get off the line, and those are all marks of a player in steep decline.
Again
the data do not suggest that
http://www.nfl.com/players/amanitoomer/gamelogs?id=TOO338982
Toomer had 2 catches in Week One, 2 catches in Week 9, and 2 catches in Week 17
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
12 14 Sun Dec 7, 2008 box L NYG PHI 14 20 2 25 0 16 12.5
13 15 Sun Dec 14, 2008 box L NYG @ DAL 8 20 3 32 0 14 10.7
14 16 Sun Dec 21, 2008 box W NYG CAR 34 28 2 27 0 15 13.5
15 17 Sun Dec 28, 2008 box L NYG @ MIN 19 20 2 16 0 12 8.0
Actually, they do. He was virtually invisible at the end of the season.
he had 2 catches in Game 1
which means he was virtually invisible at the beginning of the season…hence, no decline.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Those stats look pretty consistent throughout the year to me
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Look again. He was noticeable done at the end of the season, and that was without Plaxico, when they needed him to step up. He didn’t, and that’s why the Jints, and virtually every other team, are convinced he’s done.
1 1 Thu Sep 4, 2008 box W NYG WAS 16 7 2 12 0 6 6.0
2 2 Sun Sep 14, 2008 box W NYG @ STL 41 13 6 67 1 18 11.2
3 3 Sun Sep 21, 2008 box W NYG CIN 26 23 5 64 0 31 12.8
4 5 Sun Oct 5, 2008 box W NYG SEA 44 6 4 64 0 29 16.0
5 7 Sun Oct 19, 2008 box W NYG SFO 29 17 3 31 0 14 10.3
6 8 Sun Oct 26, 2008 box W NYG @ PIT 21 14 2 39 0 30 19.5
7 9 Sun Nov 2, 2008 box W NYG DAL 35 14 2 26 1 15 13.0
8 10 Sun Nov 9, 2008 box W NYG @ PHI 36 31 5 53 0 20 10.6
9 11 Sun Nov 16, 2008 box W NYG BAL 30 10 1 9 0 9 9.0
10 12 Sun Nov 23, 2008 box W NYG @ ARI 37 29 4 30 1 12 7.5
11 13 Sun Nov 30, 2008 box W NYG @ WAS 23 7 5 85 1 40 17.0
12 14 Sun Dec 7, 2008 box L NYG PHI 14 20 2 25 0 16 12.5
13 15 Sun Dec 14, 2008 box L NYG @ DAL 8 20 3 32 0 14 10.7
14 16 Sun Dec 21, 2008 box W NYG CAR 34 28 2 27 0 15 13.5
15 17 Sun Dec 28, 2008 box L NYG @ MIN 19 20 2 16 0 12 8.0
um I'm sorry
but that is unreadable.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to say it one more time!
With Plaxico gone at the end of the season, Toomer was the only real receiving threat for other teams to focus on. Toomer is no #1 receiver by any stretch but, the presence of D-Bowe has to be respected by the opposing defense which will open up guys like Toomer and Engram to come through.
BTW, I am going out on a limb here too but, I think Cassel is maybe a little better at making ALL the reads than Eli. Maybe I am wrong but, that seems to be one of Cassels strengths.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
that just be funny. even deltha o’neal made a pro powl playbohy. he led da league in int’s too. dats what happens wit bad cornerbacks. they get beat so badly dat dey pick off da terrible passes, but in da long term, its much more bad den good
Over 500 yards and 4 scores last year isn’t just a name, its a solid NFL receiver.
by ChiefsD.T.#58 on Aug 4, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
u do know
da chiefs, cards, and pats played da most outta da shotgun in the league. they be the top 3. we are one, we got anothers OC, and da others QB. so we gonna need more than 2, 3, or 4 WRs. specially when we got cottam at #1 TE. I like him, but unlike tony g, i dont think he better at gettin open/catchin da ball than any of da WRs we got that will be playin.
hey...be blue tomorrow
I hear what you’re sayin’, but it’s the start of training camp and we’ll end up with the best team this year!
I disagree...
Look at who would be left if Engram and Toomer were gone…Besides DBowe and Bradley…it’s a sad, sad deal…I’ll take the old guys!
Virtus En Arduo
by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too...but, he's gonna have to show up this offseason.
Virtus En Arduo
by carthagechief on Aug 4, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
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Thank thee
For sure...
And you can bet those guys will still get some playing time but, Toomer is decent insurance in case they stink it up.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said before I think these will be our receivers...
Bowe
Bradley
Engram
Toomer
Darling
( Taurus will be on the practice squad)
Most teams carry 5 WRs.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Q Lawrence
Are you saying you think they will cut the draft pick?
He could be a practice squad guy, if he doesn’t win the KR/PR job.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
Based on?
I’d love for Darling to make a big jump in production and play here for a few more years, but didn’t really see anything out of him last year that makes me expect that. I’d say Toomer is an immediate upgrade.
Super Bowl Experience
Its amazing to me how much super bowl experience has all of the sudden been brought to this team. Last years team, I can hardly think of a single player/coach/front office person who has even sniffed a super bowl. Really liked the sign…
You know i still like Tony G and all...
But wouldn’t it be HILARIOUS if we won the SB this year and they didn’t make the playoffs. C’mon irony!!!!
perhaps
Beat Atlanta in the SB? That would be cruel irony.
by Scaryclouds on Aug 4, 2009 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice
Finally we can put a smile on our faces at the very thought of the Kansas City Chiefs
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Should have been Matt Jones...
Better than no one though, and better than most the other FA WR’s. Now we just need a new right tackle.
Let’s trade Dorsey to the Cardinals for Steve Breaston…or Q. I’m afraid Dorsey’s going to bust. I can’t believe he still isn’t cleared to practice yet.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Aug 4, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Coulda Woulda Shoulda
Lots of things we “didnt” do….but what we “did” do is a heck of an upgrade over what we had. Dont get down on Dorsey….and he is FAR from a bust. Give it a chance…..its still early.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
dorsey has always had problems with his legs lets just pray dorsey works out for us
it will save us so much time
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
No sh*t!
I wrote on here a few days ago about how Dorsey will never make it because of the injuries and everyone flamed me. He was my favorite player coming out of college and I FREAKED when we drafted him but I’ve worried about those legs for a while now and they’ve done nothing but slow him down. Sure, he’s never missed any serious time due to injury, however, he can hardly make it through a single game without having to sit out a few series and he’s ALWAYS injured during practice. That just doesn’t cut it, folks. especially when you are getting paid the money he is.
Oh and, way to go on the Toomer signing, Chiefs! Now that our starting line-up is going to look a lot like Bowe, Toomer and Engram, it should hopefully light a fire under the asses of the younger guys. That is unless they’d rather be at home eating potato chips and talking to their girls on the phone. haha.
LOL!
If he ends up on the Waiver wire, he is fair game and you know Haley will be jumping all over that shit.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel the sudden need to write a fanpost about this
in case someone doesn’t know already
75 words 75 words
75 words 75 words
75 words 75 words
75 words 75 words
75 words 75 words
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
Add that to Jay Leno's monologue
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Nice!
This is definitely a good thing. He’s old but still a solid receiver and has veteran leadership ability. Great signing!
A fan since '90. I cried when Lowery missed the FG :( I was 11.
True!
We cant expect him to come in and catch 75 balls and get 1000yrds…he wil complement what we have and be an upgrade over the others.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Great!
He is indeed old but an upgrade over all except Bowe/Bradley/Engram…and he is a coach to the young WR’s, can teach up a Johnson or Lawrence
PHEW!
1 year deal. NOt so bad. Renting a veteran WR I supposed can help with the young guys.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Aug 4, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
Mostly a positive move from what I've been reading around the net..
Leaves us with Bowe, Bradley, Darling, Engram, Toomer, Lawerence and then Johnson to the practice squad?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
The thing that i like about this signing is that players are finally wanting to come to kc. Pioli has players around the league believing we are going to do what it takes to win. KC is tired of first round playoff losses. Players are choosing kc.
You do realize that Toomer had no other offers. It’s not like he was out there waiting for the perfect situation.
Keep in mind
Toomer played against the Skins, Eagles, Cowboys tice last year and he played FOR the Giants.
Think he might have soem advice for out other recievers about playign against the corners on these teams?
He also had a catch in all but one of the Giants playoff games last year. The Giants have a pretty decent group of recievers and this guys still got looks.
If he comes in on 3rd and long and catches the ball that gets us the 1st down and he does that twice a game and thos drives end in points he will be VERY valuable to our team.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
RECD GOOD POINT HE KNOWS THE NFC EAST LIKE THE BACK OF HIS NUTS
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Thanks Sex
but when was the last time you got a good look at the BACK of your nuts?
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LETS JUST SAY i stole a couple of mirrors from the movie set
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
The name itself is psychological!
Toomer has great hands and just needs to make a few catches per game. The psychological impact on Cornerbacks having Bowe, Engram, Toomer and whoever else get on the field combined with Charles and LJ and Cassel at the helm! We will continually create match up problems and you have to respect our passing game and won’t be able to always stack the box. I forsee a solid offense with great balance!
GREAT SIGNING, HE WILL TEACH THE YOUNGER GUYS AS WELL!
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
I agree it isnt necesarily his stat line that will be most affected...
But old or not when he’s on the field he has to be respected and that will take players away from guys like Bowe.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Nice point
He has serious knowledge of the NFC East.
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by DThomasReigns on Aug 4, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Vrabel, Thomas, Engram, Toomer...
are we going to field the 2003 AFC Pro Bowl Team? =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
No...the next NFL SB champs!
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
on opposite day
i be done wit that retarded optimism. dayton moore came in wit similar hoopla to mr pioli. dat didn’t pan out so well. even after all dose “great” trades (joe gathright?). Anyhow, I’m cautious now. you show me sometin first, den you get da praise. i def think pioli be better den DM, but I probably woulda said same thing about DM over Carl. derefore i know we aint makin da playoffs, but i can hope for some progress. we aint better den 7-8-1 dis year (we do play da eagles and we know donovan be playin for double OT).
DaBlue
What are you Toomer’s agent? I am willing to go out on a limb to say you don’t know jack about how many offers Toomer has on the table. a lot of these vet guys don’t do anything until camp so they don’t have to go through OTA’s.
If you don’t like the pick up fine but don’t spout off crap you don’t know anything about.
Toomer had 2 catches in a playoff game last year which is two more than all of our recievers combined.
to say this isn’t a good pick up for the Chiefs is absurd! Last year Jeff Webb had FIVE catches for 46 yards. He was on the roster all year. Toomer had more recieving yards than Bradley had last year.
Replacing Jeff Webb with Toomer, even if Toome declines furthur, STILL makes this a good pickup. If Toomer can manage to scrape more than 46 yards receiving together this year he will be an upgrade.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Toomer can manage to scrape more than 46 yards receiving together this year he will be an upgrade.
Exactly my point…it’s like we’re all ignoring the fact that apart from Bowe and Bradley we didn’t have any WR’s worth being in the NFL…so we signed two (Engram and Toomer)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Toomer could out perform Webb in ONE catch!
After Bowe, Bradley and TG…and I am not counting RB’s….
Devard Darling 17 for 247 yards 1 Touch
Will Franklin 7 for 83 yards 0 Touch
Cottam 7 for 63 yards 0 touch
Toomer > Darling + Franklin + Webb
Or how about this? Webb is so useless that Tyler THigpen only had NINE less receiving yards than him and he is a FRIKIN QB!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW!!! Way to make a point.
Webb has to go!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
more like wat a cheap way to make a point
brodie gets hurt for he throws it, and Thiggy only threw to 2 people. is there any 2 man combo that was thrown to more than dbowe and tonyg? I be doubtin it. Plus, its a new offense, a new qb, a new coach, a new….everything. so you be comparin apples and oranges. but then again, i guess dat be da basis of a blog argument. and da argument always seems in da chiefs favor (or at least Pioli’s). He’s already won the town over, and he aint done shit yet. U aint see any problem with a 2-14 team signing Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Toomer, Engram? We really think we gonna make the playoffs nex year? hell nah man. We’ll get better, we probably gonna make it in 2010, but not this year.
I haven’t mentioned Webb once in my comments. He’s worthless. But I’d rather see what Darling and Bradely have to offer than Toomer, and I’d also like to give Lawrence a shot to make the team as WR/Kick returner. Amani will take 1 of those spots.
I agree. Bradley and Darling will probably both be here.
regardless of the Toomer signing. They will probably get some playing time too. I think whoever performs best at cam and MAKES THE CATCHES will be the #2 guy.
It will be between Bradley and Toomer for #2 and I feel like Engram will have the slot receiver job locked up.
Darling will probably be more of a backup.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 4, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
if toomer had so many options
why he be signing with a 2-14 team at da end of his career?
At this point
He is nothing other than additional competition in training camp. If he can run routes, and most importantly catch the ball, he MAY make the team. For now, he is in the same boat as nine other guys. We will begin to find out if he is all we hope he is. And let’s be clear…the competition is not only among the 10 we have in camp, but in all the other camps too. When cuts come, there will be some surprises and we are in great shape to jump on good guys.
I love the signing….but we shall see who WANTS to WIN the job.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Sweet
Tim to get the big easy on the field and see what he can do at this DE spot….now get Jackson in camp in the next day or 2 and lets crack some heads. I got Raiders tickets and all I gotta say is I hope its better than the Raiders game at home this year!
I love the veteran pickups but we are going to be in a mess if we have to replace them all after this year. I guess at that point we can just find some more patch work and keep drafting smart.
Its not ideal
But what else can you do at this point. You cannot fix this team in one year, but you have to compete now! We have at least an extra 2nd next year to address some of these holes the Vets will leave, but if we can get a year of OK production plus have them help change the culture…….I don’t see a better solution.
yep
they are trying to win as many games as possible this year.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
which
seems like a highly flawed strategy. what reason do we got to think we can beat the chargers? They got better: QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB (Merriman anyone), CB. I think da only ting we MIGHT be better at is RB. And only because I see it like this: Sproles>LT, LJ>Sproles. Transitive property nigga
whats all the fuss
Amani Toomer is worth bringing into camp on his name and rep alone, No need to get all worked up yet we havent played so much as a pre-season game yet. There a still lots of guys to be cut/waived and guys to be signed.Having said that ……
I think the chiefs are well on their way to taking the AFC west by storm and making the other 3 teams our bitches.
I would still like to see a deep threat guy.
+1
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
12 14 Sun Dec 7, 2008 box L NYG PHI 14 20 2 25 0 16 12.5
13 15 Sun Dec 14, 2008 box L NYG @ DAL 8 20 3 32 0 14 10.7
14 16 Sun Dec 21, 2008 box W NYG CAR 34 28 2 27 0 15 13.5
15 17 Sun Dec 28, 2008 box L NYG @ MIN 19 20 2 16 0 12 8.0
These are Amani’s last 4 game logs, when the Jints had lost Plax, and DESPERATELY neeeded a WR to step up. I watched those games, and Amani was a non factor, when the Jints needed him to be THE factor. In earlier years, he would have been. He was a GREAT player, very underrated throughout his career, IMO. But the key word is WAS.
He was their only receiver then, right?
Plax was gone so the D could have their way with Toomer. Bowes presence won’t allow that.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 4, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times is this argument going to be repeated?
I’ll repeat my answer: It was not PAYTON Manning throwing the ball. Eli relied on Plax like Romo relied on TO. Toomer is a nice situational player pickup.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
In prior years, Toomer thrived when he had to assume the #1 position. Last year, he couldn’t do anything. He looked like a done player. I’m a big fan of toomer. I think he is one of the most unmderated WR’s of the last decade. I’ve watched him closely, living in NY. He lost a ton last year, and I hope the Toomer i saw at the end of last year doesn’t make the Chiefs on name value alone, and takes away a job from Darling or Bradely. That’s my point
If he takes a job away from Darling or Bradley then he's a better player.
Haley will play the best players.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
ok dude we’ve heard your argument. if you don’t think he is still better than jeff webb, rodney wright, or devard darling then i just don’t know what to tell ya man. I think its a good upgrade for leadership and atleast a good backup. I am pulling for bradley but the more the merry. What an offseason though. New gm, coach, vrabel, thomas, mike brown, engram, toomer, and hopefully a solid draft. Things have changed. I don’t think we lack talent last years just leadership. i think that shoud be solved and we could do some big things. This will be a telling year of what are real weaknesses are and not just poor coaching. The moves have been made and are not over but pioli, haley, and hunt have done everything in their power to put this team in a position to win now. Now its time to get some f’n fans in the stands. let arrowhead rock!!
Who said he’s not an upgrade over Webb or Wright? But I don’t think he is at this stage over darling.
ok but what would make you think that?….certainly not production because darling has never had a year like toomer
I’m not arguing Toomer’s career vs Darling. That’s not a rational argument. Toomer has had a great career, emphasis on HAD. I’m arguing what Darling can do for us in 2009 AND beyond vs Toomer, and I’ll take Darling in that situation.
i’m not arguing their career either. Im saying that darling has never done in a year of his career what toomer has done in a year in his career even including last year. Im not getting on your case i just don’t get your logic
Darling is a big special teams guy, and was playing better at the end of last season. And he’s been playing well in the OTA’s, often playing at the #2 WR position ahead of Bradely. I see an upside with Darling, for this year and beyond. Toomer has little left, and there’s nothing after this yea, if there’s even anything for this year. You always should have an eye towards the future when evaluating a roster.
yeah i can understand that darling is younger but i don’t think he gives a better chance to win this year that darling. Maybe beyond but that will be decided another day. obviously haley felt that darling and bradley couldn’t hack it as our number 2 receivers. we had a lot of drops early in this camp to make him worried enought to bring someone in
you dont think we lack talent...
you see the dline last year?
This is all about to change!
2009 – CHIEFS CAN ABSOLUTLEY TAKE THE AFC WEST! IT IS THEIRS FOR THE TAKING!
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 4, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
Get me a right tackle or a center...
Then we’ll talk division champs.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
August 4 2:01 ET Although the Chiefs haven't made an announcement regarding roster moves, WR Amani Toomer is on the field, wearing No. 13 and taking part in afternoon practice.
as per gretz
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Aug 4 2009 | 4:07:22 pm
Chiefs coach Todd Haley spent extra time with the receivers again and admonished WR Dwayne Bowe for how he ran a pass route.
One good thing about Engram/Toomer
DBowe (love him) is not the only sheriff in town and will have to concentrate in practice, imo. He’s still the best we’ve got. Just saying that there’s got to be a certain amount of respect for what the other two have done, and he can’t be lolligaggin around like he’s the only game in town.
Ya we actually passed the "one kicker or two kicker" discussion
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Good for the Chiefs
While Amani isn’t as fast or as agile as he used to be, he still has a knack for making tough catches. As a Giants fan, i’ll miss him.. but I’ve been rooting for the chiefs anyways. Viva Amani!
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And this from Gretz on CBS
New Chiefs WR Amani Toomer made a nice leaping catch along the sidelines on a hot, high throw from QB Ingle Martin.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Competion, Wisdom, and Reliability
Hey this an awesome thread! I really like this pickup because more or less, it’s insurance.
He’s another set of eyes, ears, and hands that can really contribute in ways that we probably don’t even know about (coaching the younger guys up). The entire offseason, Pioli and Haley preached about guys that fit their system, that being, tough dedicated, reliable football players that want to and know how to win as a team. Anyone who thinks Toomer doesn’t fit into this category is crazy! Pioli and Haley know what they are doing on this one. They obviously have a specific purpose for signing Toomer. My guess is, that he will just push every one of those 10 WR’s and make all of them work harder and play better in camp. If he makes it out of camp (pretty sure he will on this one) he will be one of those reliable “role” players, which is fine, and as most people have said, that’s an upgrade from what we will get from most of the younger guys.
btw I’m going to venture to say Chuck Norris> Scott Pioli…Come on it’s Chuck Norris!
-Robbie
Just look at this mess!
1st shift what the hell have you been doing all day?
It took an hour just to sort this mess out!
HAHA :)
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by ArrowheadGladiator on Aug 4, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Great move!
You guys needed a seasoned vet to be on the other side of Bowe. Nicely done.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
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