Chiefs QB Brodie Croyle Talks About Cassel, Gailey and Being a Backup
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 4:58 PM CDT
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Throughout training camp, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle has consistently outplayed his competition Tyler Thigpen according to multiple practice reports. The sentiment of many around here was that if Cassel went down, Croyle would be the pick to replace him.
(Photo via David Eulitt of the Kansas City Star)
Well, Cassel did go down and Thigpen was the pick to replace him. However, the plan heading into the game on Saturday night was the trio of Cassel, Thigpen and Matt Gutierrez seeing playing time so Croyle didn't play.
With Cassel still down, Thigpen was the pick to run with the first team today. The coaching staff has indicated that it doesn't mean anything.
I'm not sure that the starter in Thursday's game matters a whole lot. It's still up in the air who will start week one at Baltimore. If Cassel's ready he'll presumably be the guy but the coaching staff has had well over a month of almost daily practices to evaluate Croyle and Thigpen so a starting nod on a meaningless Thursday night game shouldn't mean much. Some might disagree because there's definitely two sides to this argument.
Carrying on, Brodie Croyle spoke with reporters following practice today and said he hasn't heard whether he or Thigpen will be the starter on Thursday assuming Cassel can't go. He was also asked about replacing Chan Gailey and whether he feels he should be the number two quarterback heading into the season.
610 Sports played the interview. Here are a few notes I took regarding the exchange.
Will Chan be back?
"I don't know. You'd have to ask Todd."
Does Cassel's injury change how you prepare?
"Doesn't change at all. Anytime you're backing up you always have to be ready to go at any point in time. Whenever Matt's back obviously it's his game but we have to fill the void until then."
On coming back from the knee injury and starting:
"That's what you're working for. You don't work back just to make a paycheck or hope you make a team. If you're going to rehab from something like that you have something in mind."
Does this change how you prepare?
"I'm just going to go out there and play."
Does the offensive gameplan change now?
"A lot of it's still the same. There's going to be some new stuff here and there. They call the plays. All we do is run them. That's just how we have to look at it."
Did Chan call all the plays?
"He was the offensive coordinator and he called the plays. Obviously, Todd had a lot of input in that."
On being ready as a back up:
"Yeah, I mean you gotta be ready for it. This is what I've rehabbed for and what I've tried to get back for. It's unfortunate for him and who knows the time table on when he'll be back. When it comes time to go, I gotta be ready to go."
Can you win with whoever is at quarterback?
"Yeah that's what they got us on there for. Try to find a way to win games."
Do you feel you should be the No. 2 quarterback?
"That is not my decision. I just go out there and try to have good practices, stack 'em up and play good in preseason games and whatever happens, happens."
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Do you have a link to the interview audio? I can't find it on 610's website..
I’m no good on their site at all..tks!
Nope
Not on the website…I heard it on the radio and typed as I listened.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That's right, Prime...
You are obviously auditioning for a stenographer position in the court system…
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
Seriously
With the amount of interviews we transcribe….I just know that the majority of folks read us while they’re at work and can’t play audio so we transcribe instead.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle will be the starter
Haley will not want to risk losing Croyle to injury in a preseason game. I would say they will start with Thigpen against the Rams & send Gutt in to finish.
If Croyle plays against the Rams for more than 1 or 2 series, if at all, I will be surprised.
If Thigpen is brilliant against the Rams, that could change. Otherwise, Look for Brodie to take 1st team snaps next week & start against the Ravens.
correct.
that’s a good analysis.
Plus, keeping Thigpen high on the depth chart likely helps his trade value.
I think he’s gone within the week
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
So you think Haley would start Croyle week one?
With out giving him playing time with the 1st string? He has only had about quarters in the preseason. I don’t claim to know as much as some on here but I would guess who ever starts against the Rams will start week 1 if Cassel isn’t back, they need the practice with the 1st string
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 31, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Bones have two cracked, or broken ribs?
When will the first cuts come? Hey Joel get on the horn, and get us some quality o-lineman, stat!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
cuts by 4pm tomorrow, I think
but, just he first 5… may not be much there until the final cuts on Saturday
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
they only need to cut 3
With Darling on the DL and Thomas retiring, that leaves 3. My guess is K. Smith will end up on the PUP list too.
IF thomas is really retiring
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Why has everyone now shifted from loving thigpen to loving croyle?
Preseason means NOTHING..
If croyle gets the starting nod against baltimore, I wont waste my time watching the game..I’ve already wasted enough games watching this kid make a few good throws in a drive and then the drive stalls..And the offense looks incredibly inconsistent.
I’m sure we’ll get a few field goals tho! Isn’t that what everyone wants? A qb with a great arm who scores 10 points a game at most?
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
assuming that
you are a thigpen fan.
Thigpen is the touchdown king and better QB?
thalove --- Did you watch the games last year?
There was an enormous difference in production between thigpen and croyle…
Yes thigpen has thrown a lot more touch downs than croyle..And yes since we score more points with thigpen in the game, I would say he is a better qb..He makes things happen..Whether or not it looks pretty, I don’t really care..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
there was a difference
because croyle didn’t play…he was hurt
why do people on this board insist on saying “did you watch the games last year?”
Yes I F&%%** watched the games last year. every last one of them. I also watched two wins take place with thigpen as the QB.
Croyle played two halves last year
And didn’t produce jack in any of the halves he played in..
In 2007 he played a few games, and also didn’t produce in those either..I’ve seen enough at this point
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...
but you’ve seen thigpen “produce” and think he is the better choice?
I watched
thigpen played in two halves of the ATL game.
Don’t really like what I saw. He didn’t produce.
Yes, did you watch any of the games after that?
He looked a lot better in all of the games after that except for cinci..
ps. croyle had all of last year to prepare with the first time and looked not good..Thiggy didn’t have the luxury, but i love it how people are so hard on him anyways
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
come on...
you can’t say that croyle did not look good. He didn’t play at all last year, got hurt in the first game, and then got hurt when he came back. You cannot place any evaluation on that.
If you do, then I can take the ATL game as my sample size for thigpen’s true abilities as a QB.
He gets hurt all the time
Three knee surgeries dating back to high school, consistent injury problems…That’s a pattern and most of us can see that developing.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I love how people change their tune when you respond Joel
Drink to the power of Joel
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 31, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thigpen came along way
Thigpen came along way, and is a phenomenal athlete. I really do wish Thigpen the best of luck , I would love to see him go somewhere else and succeed.(As long as its not in the afc west) But Croyle never got a chance to show what he can do, and has much better arm. As far a being fragile? Maybe. Yeah, the shoulder was weak, But what can you do about a torn ACL? If thats gonna happen, its gonna happen. I would love us to give Croyle a shot. What allegiances do we have to Cassel? What has he done for the chiefs? nothing, yet.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you debating me on here?
I’m just stating that Tyler Thigpen allowed us to score more points than Croyle did..We drove the field much more with thigpen in the lineup and scored more points..Look at the stats..What exactly are you arguing?
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
:)
my initial response was to your statement that you won’t watch the game if croyle starts. I guess I’m not really debating you. I’m just stating that I think Croyle is the better QB.
Thigpen makes things happen by making everyone else around him “worse” he can’t make throws, and he is the only one that makes plays when he is the QB. That does not produce wins.
ONLY ONE PLAY
The only thing Thigpen could do was throw to TG, and scramble. Gonzo is gone.. he is lost now.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and Thigpen has been a model os consistency.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
but he has dude!
haven’t you looked at how many touchdowns he scored leading our potent offense last year?
(sarcasm)
Crazy Theory?
Could the rift be because of Thiggy? Could it be possible Chan was heavily defending Tyler, so the Haley throws him in the SEA game as #2 after Cassel goes out? Thiggy doesn’t show alot, Haley sees Chan still loves Tyler, and gets rid of him because of the impending drama about who should be under center?
I thought I heard Thigpens
agent say he has two broken ribs, anyone else hear this?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Really!?
Gutierez has shown more in his time on the field, f-it throw him to the wolves.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
It was a preseason game..Preseason doesn't mean anything
What has Guit shown during the regular season?
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Put me in,. Im ready ….
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
...
Duh Duh DUNNNNN
(Conspiracy theory music…)
I know, right? It’s like a soap opera.
“I caint quit you Thiggy.”
by jk86 on Aug 31, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting
they could have very easily been disagreeing on personnel decisions… not just Thigpen.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I actually thought that might be it
I think Gailey really like sTyler Thigpen..Could have somethin to do with it but who knows
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions
All this
Thigpen vs. Croyle talk really makes me wish Thigpen had played well vs the seahawks, and cassel had not gotten hurt.
We could then trade thigpen and I wouldn’t have to bang my head against the “Sippio V2” (thigpen) fan bandwagon.
Thigpen is a terrible NFL QB and I hope he is off of our team soon. We can then talk about things that really matter. Like fixing our O-line and making a run at the playoffs next year.
Minus one lovable, terrible QB.
Look at these stats and please tell me I'm wrong
Croyle = 6 td’s, 8 int’s
Thigpen = 18 td’s, 13 int’s
Wow croyle looks incredible..The kid has such an incredible arm..damn I’m mesmerized..I loved watching him command drives where we punt all hte time and on an occasion even kick a field goal..
You are obviously biased here and don’t care to look at the stats..I’m strictly rooting for whoever gives us the best chance to win and score the most points…Obviously you don’t..You’d like the best arm in there with a bottle of lotion and a kleenex
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 31, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
wrong
if we are looking at stats, you would have included thigpens record. Please post that for us. Sorry dude, but that is the ultimate trump card here. Kind of like the bad man talking trash when he is down by three touchdowns. My response?
No words, just pointing at the scoreboard.
You are right though, I am biased. I’m biased because I watched him and he is not a good QB. Bring up some completion % stats vs the rest of the nfl while you are at it…
people should just go back and watch the film
regular season, preseason, whatever. Its readily apparent that Croyle is the better QB for this offense.
he was injured. injured bad.
what's croyle's record?
devil’s advocate, here.
I’d get rid of both, personally
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
wtf...
didn’t even read your last part until just now. Bottle of lotion and a kleenex? I’m not on Croyle’s jock, I just wish everyone would get off Thigpens.
I'm with you on that.
Everybody is on Thiggy’s jock. Throwing out all theses stats w/o any regard for the way he plays. He is a terrible QB and has no business wearing a Chiefs Uni. Arrowspread is dead and it’s not coming back. Thigpen should be gone with it. And BTW: Croyle IS BY FAR the better QB of the two. Watch them both for two minutes and anybody with any common sense can see that.
Stats lie!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You are wrong.
Thigpens first game? Atlanta? what were the numbers? Did Thigpen get alot better as the season went on? I guess Cryoyle wouldn’t of done the same.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle had it worse than Cassel
He didn’t even have the pleasure of Brandon Albert on his left side. He had NO line whatsoever. He was the most sacked quarterback, and he got hurt because of it. Brady would have gotten hurt, peyton would have. Any nfl qb can’t take that much beating if you throw them out there like that. Croyle got unlucky.
Chiefs 2-14 last year Thigpen 1-12
Has anyone talked about defense. The trump card that was played about how many wins was stupid. Was Jay Cutler a good QB? What was his record? Why did his record stink? Because he couldn’t win games? No! Because his defense sucked! KC’s was terrible.
When thiggy got the hang of it (week 7 on)
10-34 L Tennessee
24-28 L New York
27-30 L (OT) Tampa
19-20 L San Diego
20-30 L New Orleans
31-54 L Buffalo
20-13 W Oakland
17-24 L Denver
21-22 L San Diego
31-38 L Miami
6-16 L Cinci
Now what these scores tell us is that we could depend on the offense scoring on average 20 points (Cinci game was like that so we got a better pick). The best teams in the NFL win with 20 points. Aside from the Rams, nobody wins a championship giving up numbers like the chiefs did last year. The defense was the worst ever. If this defense was worth anything last year, Thiggy would have had 6 wins. There were 6 close games including the games we won. And we all know that if we were in that game it wasn’t because of our defense. So if Thiggy has that defense (something better than the worst past rushing team in the history of the NFL) he has as many wins as Cutler. So all you haters that think Brodie Croyle is better, I would suggest you think before you speak. The only reason any of you turned on your TV’s late in the season was because thigpen.
Couldn't agree more
I don’t like either QB as far as the future of the franchise goes. I don’t even think they really cut the mustard as far as being backups. Croyle can’t stay healthy, and Thiggy can’t stay in the pocket. All points made in this thread are valid about both QBs. However, the defense is what cost us most of those games last year. Anyone who was watching has to admit that.
thigpen
was just what was on. I had seasons, I was going no matter what. I would have watched Damon Huard.. Oh, wait, I did the year befor.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that Croyle had no line
But it was the same line Thigpen had!
Thigpen had an oppourtunity
To win games. and was supermassive fail. Croyle hasent had the chance.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 31, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle has only played in 2 less games than Thigpen
so he has had his chances
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And
I dont think its fair to call Croyle fragile. Every QB that has gotten behind that weakass O-line has gotten injured. Just none as serious.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
Ditto on the unfairness of fragile.
Seems like everyone has forgotten that Thigpen tore his MCL in practice in December of 2007 & spent the last 4 weeks on IR. Yes, we are talking in practice! Practice? 4 games left. How much contact would be taking place then?
Croyle has been injured since high school.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 31, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't remember
where I heard it or read it or whatever, but I do remember hearing at one point that Croyle has never played a FULL season as a starter because of injury. From high school through to the pros the guy can’t stay healthy.
Again, I don’t remember where I came across this info so if I am wrong, I’ll admit it. Just please don’t be nasty in telling me so or I will have to follow Larry.
jk
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