It's Official: Todd Haley the New Offensive Coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 1:02 PM CDT
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PrintTodd Haley just told reporters that he will be the new offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Josh Looney first alerted us of the news.
The Chiefs relived former coordinator Chan Gailey of his duties this morning.
Haley's press conference is going on right now and we'll be updating this post with more developments...
Josh Looney says Chan Gailey will remain with the Chiefs in some capacity. His role is being discussed says Looney's Twitter feed.
Make the jump for more quotes from Todd Haley via the Mothership:
“I have assumed the role as offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs,” Haley said. “It was a very difficult decision for me. I think the world of Chan as coach and have the greatest amount of respect for him as a coach and as a person there is no better. Ultimately the fate and accountability of this team falls to me. It just became more apparent to me that I had to be more involved. The finger is going to point back at me and I have to do what I think is best for this team now and into the future.“
On the timing of the decision:
“Timing wise, it was better for me to do this now than to go into the regular season,” Haley said. “The advantage I have now is that I now know what my duties are. With this being the first time for me, I’ve gotten some time under my belt to realize what I have to do and what I’m responsible for week in and week out. I’m able to map out in my mind whether I can handle it or not handle it. I feel like this is best for the team.“
As always, Todd Haley has his eye on the prize:
“It’s not fun, it’s not nice,” Haley said. “I just think that we’re going to do everything here at the Kansas City Chiefs that we can to win championships. That’s the ultimate goal and right now we’re trying to lay the foundation of where we want to get to.“
Looney mentions the future of the Chiefs' offense and Chan Gailey:
As far as changing the offense, Haley said that there wouldn’t be immediate “wholesale” changes to the scheme. Haley also said that he will be taking over duties as quarterbacks coach.
Haley later said that Gailey will remain with the organization in some capacity, but his new role has yet to be defined. Gailey is likely to resume his work with the Chiefs in the operations/personnel side of things.
Lots of change going on at One Arrowhead Drive this morning. We'll see how it pans out.
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well injuries were a big part of his firing no?
then he tired to go rebound with a team that didn’t have a QB or running game (lions), and then went to another team that had a great RB who he ignored completely and tried to pass with no recievers and no qb (49ers)
For all that have failed
Plenty succeeded – Holmgrem, Shanahan
I'll give you more...
Sean Payton, Norv Turner, Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Gary Kubiak, Mike McCarthy…
Billick called plays when he was head coach in Baltimore.
You forgot Tom Cable on that list.
Hes great look at his coaching record.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its a horrible idea
for a 1st year head coach who is still learning how to manage the entire team to take over coordinator duties.
If he wanted to be a coordinator, he should have stayed in Arizona.
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It would be different if he had been a head coach for five years before
But he has yet to manage his first regular season NFL game and now he’s taking on coordinator duties. Just seems like he’s biting off more than he can chew before he even knows how much there is to chew.
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I've known office staff that were better, more talented and more qualified..
than the management. He has done every aspect of coaching except HC pretty much.
He’s been trained for this all his life. He’s not becoming Chief Surgeon at Researc Hospital…he’s coaching…he’s got this..relax…Pioli wouldn’t hire a schmuck…
I find that very naive
Pioli himself is unproven.
If Haley is superman, why don’t we make him the Special Teams coach so he can magically turn Glenn Dorsey into a star punt returner?
The history of the NFL is filled with guys that were hired because they seemed to know what they were doing. The vast majority of them have been fired multiple times.
Haley still talks about how he’s learning to do all the things that the head coach does. Well one of those things is he has to learn how to delegate to his other coaches because he CANNOT do everything himself.
Rather than facing the challenges of being a head coach, Haleys grabbing back the offense because thats what he’s familiar with and doing it himself. But he can’t do everything and the team as a whole is likely going to suffer because of it.
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Pioli unproven?
How? I know he had belichick, but he’s won several SB’s. That’s not unproven…
The question has always been
Would Bellichick be a great head coach without Tom Brady or would Tom Brady be a great QB without Bellichick. Well last year Bellichick took a guy that hadn’t started a game since High School and won 11 games.
Its the same question with Pioli.
Was Pioli a great personnel guy because Bellichick coached up the guys he found, or was Bellichick a great coach because Pioli found him great talent?
All we know so far is that Pioli seriously dropped the ball by completely neglecting the offensive line which has been this teams most serious problem the last 3 years.
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agreed
… I think pioli has done everything right this offseason. But this was his one mistake. You live and learn, but I think he’s also tried to rectify it, rather than leave it (Ala Peterson) as is.
I think there will be more changes once other teams make their cuts. It won’t be on the way to a long term fix until next year though.
And, if he REALLY wanted to be the coordinator,
he needed to have done it throughout the entire summer. All of the OTAs, training camp, all of that.
This is a big change that is going down less than 2 weeks before the season opener.
Not a good move at all.
It could work out, yeah — and if it does, then Haley will look like a genius. But the risk/reward ratio is not in our favor. At. All.
I'll give you another that you all SHOULD know!!
Whisenhunt called the Offensive plays as head coach until he was confident in Haley’s abilities…which speaks books about him as well….
There’s no reason to think he can’t call the offensive plays and head coach…
Listen …if you wonna talk upgrades to any position this year…there’s your upgrade of the season right there.
Even if Haley didn’t get hired as Head coach…you’de VERY very hard pressed to find a better offensive genius in the NFL at present time…you may remember the last crap team he took over was the horrible Cardinals…look what the did for them…end of story..there are no variables…well what abouts..etc.
He took a terribel offensive team and led them to the lead in the S-Bowl last year. And up until recent years, they were as pathetic as our chiefs have been last few years.
Look up..it’s not like he’s GM/Head Coach play caller like Shannahan and Belichek both did…oh and who by the way, have pretty good resumes’ if you recall…
He isn't the genius behind Arizona
Whisenhunt is. He didn’t call their offensive plays until last season. So he’s only been a coordinator for 1 year.
" He didn't call their offensive plays until last season"
if I’m not mistaken, that was the year they went to the Super Bowl wasn’t it?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And last year
They had the #2 or #3 offenseand went to the SB, coincedence?
by Scaryclouds on Aug 31, 2009 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They also weren't succesful til last year...
hmmmmmmm
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Amen krayfish!
Fellas, this isn’t written in stone, Haley can give it a shot (he really has no choice at this point in time) if he’s overwhelmed he’s intelligent enough to realize that and hire some one during the off season.
Y’all should have known things like this were and are going to happen. Pioli and Haley got a really late start putting this staff together. I mean come on who was available by the time Haley was hired and situated?
As others have mentioned ...
First: Arizona turned the corner before Haley was the Offensive Coordinator.
Second: They won running Wisenhunt’s system, not Haley’s.
And, to add my own: You’d have to be a complete asshat to have Fitz, Boldin, Breaston, Hightower and Warner and NOT dominate the NFC West. Winning with that personnel is like winning an AAU Basketball game with a team full of NBA All-Stars.
Unfortunately, we don’t have Fitz, Boldin, Breaston, Hightower or Warner. And now we’ve got an Offensive Coordinator who never really had his own system he was runinng and is also trying to oversee the Defense and coach the QBs.
Yikes
And now we’ve got an Offensive Coordinator who never really had his own system he was runinng and is also trying to oversee the Defense and coach the QBs.
To add to your list, JacinB, are we set at special teams? Do we have that much faith in the special team coach and our returners and long snapper that the head coach can do everything else, effectively ingnoring special teams? We didn’t even name Clandy D coordinator until we gave up on Romeo coming on board and then flipped a coin to see who would take LBs vs. D coordinator.
Did we have that many wins last year that a lot of the areas and assistant coaches can be placed on auto pilot? Scary stuff. That 99% approval rating is in peril this month.
Yes, because Norv Turner is just a fabulous coach.
And Jon Gruden — he wasn’t fired or anything.
Billick was fired as well.
It works out sometimes, yes. More often than not, though, no.
every coach
whether they call plays or not gets fired…to use that as the only way of measuring if it works or not is silly
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Billick got fired but...
He won a Super Bowl and helped build one of the best defenses the NFL has ever seen.
Shanny got fired and had offenses that could effectively run the ball no matter who they plugged in. Also, his offenses were top ten almost every year he was their coach. Oh, and he won two Super Bowls.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because a coach DOES get fired
doesn’t necessarily mean they SHOULD have been fired.
But, yeah, Norv sucks.
Rectal Froth
Of does Cable belong on this list?
Either way he should be here somwhere.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
EXactly!! Look at those names...compare those to Belichek and Shannahan and Holmgren etc
If Haley didn’t know he could handle it then he would have hired someone else to do it…period…and who knows, he just may be grooming someone right now.
That makes no sense
Don’t you think Mike Martz though he could handle it too?
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Mike Martz didn't work for Scott Pioli....
You guys act like he’s going to be acting GM and Hc…he’s not…he’s just going to call the offensive plays…He’s on the sidelines already…he’s There!! Why wouldn’t he call the plays?
Scott Pioli is a True GM!! Haley’s not going to bite off more than he can chew or Pioli would bring someone in.
So to me it makes Perfect sense…Pioli and Haley with their knowledge and insight versus ours…..I’m going with Pioli and Haley on this one. I think they know a little about how it needs to work and they will do just that.
There hasn’t been a bunch of stupid changes this offseason. Every analyst has done a lot of praising of Pioli this offseason. They are doing what they feel is best given what they have to work with. This can’t be a bad move.
Even if they hire someone else eventually (which they will), for NOW and now only with all the present variables, I believe Haley is much better at that job than Gailey ever was.
petrino doesnt count
that guy turned his back on his team he doesnt even deserve to be called a head coach.
Early Bill Walsh
Joe Gibbs, Gruden, Billick, etc. (say what you will, they’re SB winners)
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by woodman212 on Aug 31, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
checkmate
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
Yay!! Another absolute good!! This needed to happen. Period.
Preseason isn’t just for players people. It’s referees, umpires, coaches etc. We are DEAD LAST on offense in almost every category. Not every one…but look at our scoring and TD’s etc. We suck!!
Now I will continue to go back to this though: UNTIL we get a solid first team…that can work out together, practice together and learn and grow together, this will continue to happen.
It takes the same group of guys working out with the same group of guys to develop chemistry. That hasn’t happened yet because of all the sorting out that’s going on right now. And rightfully so…but I agree with Chiefer….BIG A*& sigh of relief here too…it’s time for Haley to show his offensive genius!
Its good and bad.
Hopefully he lets his offensive coaches help him with the responsibilities or he’s going to have alot on his plate. As for play calling I couldnt be happier that he’s going to be doing that now.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
just a splash
of tuna!!!
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
To do this he has to have a TON of confidence in Pendergast
When the coach is an OC, the DC can create his own fiefdom
Too many threads and too much action. Missed it
And minimizing everytime I hear footsteps near my cubicle isn’t helping
My feeling is....
Gailey was auditioning just Luke his players…and it was too much Herm ball
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Too much Herm ball...
You mean like calling a play action pass on the first pass of the game (third offensive play) that does not fool anyone on the defense and gets your QB killed? Ya…hopefully we won’t have any more of that.
gailey will remain with the chiefs
per josh looney’s tweet..they have yet to decide what he will do but he will have a role
he can man the vcr and dvd controlls
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
consultant
he’ll probably help them draw up plays. Paying him, might as well use him for something.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
my thoughts as well
maybe a little scouting
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
still kinda embarrasing for him
if they were to keep him why make a huge show of it ?
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
it's the responsible thing to do
Haley knows he’s taking a risk and it would be unfair to put Gailey’s reputation on the line.
and we are lucky you are not kidding
Gailey = Fail
Hailey = Unknown,
Ill take unknown over fail anyday of the week…
Chiefs FTW
How is Gailey a fail, exactly?
Did you see our offense last year? It was actually pretty damn good.
Gailey is a good offensive coordinator. Now, that doesn’t mean Haley won’t be better, it’s just a combination of a panic move, Haley’s alpha male control freak status and terrible timing. That’s what I don’t like about it.
I totally disagree. Our offense was not pretty damn good
It took advantage of teams playing Safe coverages late in games. It picked apart soft coverages and failed in the red zone. It was great for fantasy football, but it was garbage when it came to actual football.
quick comment
just heard corey mays cracked brett favres ribs on that hit. says it hurts when he breathes deeply. welcome back brett!
We scored a lot of points in the first half against the dolphins.
A playoff Dolphins team, by the way.
Just because it was the spread doesn’t make it gimmicky. We had a good offense last year. Don’t discount the stats.
How many wins did that get us?
The stats don’t mean shit. People keep pointing out Thigpens stats too. did you see him play on Saturday? Dude is an atrocity!
The only stat that matters is wins. “You are what your record says you are”
Thigpen/Gailey and the spread are 1/11 in 08 and 0/3 in the preseason…Next!!!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
I’m sure you think that Greinke shouldn’t win the Cy Young, either, because he doesn’t have enough wins?
Yeah, as a team, and as a head coach, the best way to evaluate is off of W’s and L’s. Even then, it isn’t the sole determining factor, but the best.
But to judge a QB, or an Offensive Coordinator, on just wins and losses is beyond retarded. The QB can only control how he plays. He can’t control whether the wide receivers catch the passes, or the offensive line make good blocks, or if the running backs see the holes and break tackles. Much less the entire freaking defense, over which he has ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONTROL! ZERO! ZERO!
Is it Tyler’s fault, or Chan’s, that our defense couldn’t stop Miami? Not at all. We scored more than enough points to win — and it was the defense’s fault, not the offense’s as to why we lost.
In a lot of other games — it was the defense. Sure, Tyler wasn’t great. And he probably isn’t starter material in the NFL for any long amount of time. But to judge him only off wins and losses is incredibly elementary.
For teams, wins and losses are what is most important (not always, though, because weird shit happens). For players, particularly in football, where there are twice as many people on the active roster as baseball and 4 times the amount of basketball and coaches in the double digits and countless moving parts and everyone having their own, specific job to do, putting wins and losses on a single player, or even coach besides the Head Coach, is incredibly narrow-minded.
no he won't..he'll be gone soon enough if he's not already..
He could get hired tomorrow!! He’s not going to take a demotion at this point and he’s proven he sucks already as far as I’m concerned. I’m a little biased though becuase I never liked Chan’s play calling here in KC (although I did at other times with other teams).
Secondly, I have been a big fan of Haley the offensive coach!!
call me crazy but im liking this move .
Haley seems the type that knows what he wants knows what the players can do the best. And for christsakes the guy was calling plays in the super bowl last year . In my opinion i want to see this guy take charge on the field . this is a good move.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I'm with you.
I like it. I don’t think we’ll see so many plays that take a long time to develope. Hopefully we will see a faster tempo offense with lots of hard running.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda like what Seattle did to us Sat night?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Mayor? Really?
Everybody know the city planner is the job to have
by Bestofthewest on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
lmao!!! golfbard...that's funny!
Plus he’s opening a MAAACCC Donalds’s and all the girls turning 18 this month will receive a “special gametime happy meal”.
From DJ's Twitter
superdj56:What Up twitter, been gone because of a minor ankle sprain but I’M BACK….
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
good to know
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
thats good news we need all the help we can get and dj needs to snap
and be a killer on the field mays is showing up big time right now he is just a ball hawk.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I used to be a runner
sprained my ankles a lot. Can knock you out for a couple of days but it can heal up pretty fast depending on how bad it is.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent!
This is a very good thing! Are team is improved in many areas. We are now working on the O-line. It takes a lot to turn a ship around that was headed for more winless seasons! Haley and Pioli realized a mistake and fixed it with Galey. Go Chiefs.
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 31, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
he'll have grey hair by friday
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
The players will have grey hair by friday.
If they thought Haley was ornery as is just wait.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Kent Babbs Twitter
Haley becomes his own OC and indicates Chan Gailey is demoted, not fired. That really took no time at all.
ok kent your so funny!
Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator AND Quarterbacks Coach.
As the guys on 810 Sports just remarked, he’ll also be wanting to take over the job of parking cars in Lot M.
At what point does being a control freak become a bad thing?
Al Davis?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
i love me some krumrie i wish he was my life coach
i wouldent be able to beat blocks but he would be a good motivator to get up in the morning hahah i have a case of the fuckits right now.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
you ever see the america's game on NFL network about the bengals?
krumrie is one of hte guys with boomer and another dude who they bring in for it – wow what a great hour of my life, let me tell you.
yes
i love that series. His part was pretty inspiring. To be that upbeat after an injury like that in the game of games…
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Lanier..shame on you...
Don’t say that outloud…the dark lord may hear you!!! I can see it now..Al Davis shows up pre-game and chokes Haley with one hand while chanting “Todd, I am your father”!!
Now that is a great visual.
Though I think Al is more the Emporer than Vadar.
AL:
You want this, don’t you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
Haley:
WTF is up with the slide projector?
I can see him giving up the QB coach role
in time.. once this thing gets off the ground and Cassel gets comfortable. Might be next off-season.
Should give Trent Green a call to come start his coaching career and coach these QBs
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
With this move right here.
Haley’s clearly a control freak, and it’s awfully tough to be a successful head coach in the NFL when you feel the need to control all of the moving pieces.
There are just far too many of them for one guy to manage.
Yep Bill Belichick doesn't control every aspect of the patriots
Wait a minute…
by Chiefs Fan Jon on Aug 31, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If Haley were Belichick, that would be great.
He’s not. (Unless, perhaps, you’re talking Cleveland Belichick.) He’s in his first position as Head Coach. He’s still learning the ropes of that. Doing this, too, is going to be too much.
i dont care if he wants to run this site if we win im all for it
if he wants to be a toilet flusher at the stadium let him do it as long as we win
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
And wreckd for the image of Haley flushing the toilet for me.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
did anyone find out if there is truth to this statement?
we will be fine (BREAKING NEWS)!! I’ve just heard that we are bringing in Matt Jones and Levi Jones right now as we speak or sometime this afternoon!!
from this guy
we will be fine (BREAKING NEWS)!! I’ve just heard that we are bringing in Matt Jones and Levi Jones right now as we speak or sometime this afternoon!!
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by Grand Master A on Aug 31, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe someone found out that someone who bought a house
in kc from some realtor who happens to know someone who once passed by one of the two players mentioned
if we bring in matt jones im all for it keep the coke away from larry and the team
and levi jones why has no one picked him up already ????
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
mushin
thats going to be us if this plan dont work.
haley is pulling all the stops right now . we just got to roll with the punches right now
i can tell you right now if a play goes wrong after he just called expect this guy is going to snap
on the entire team
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
All I want is wins, but hell, I'd settle for a competitive team right now.
But I’ve got my torch soakin and my pitchfork being sharpened just in case
I'm fine with him owning everything he's capable of doing -- as long as he can do them all 100%
The ‘patriot way’ does not include decreasing staff size and consolidating positions.
Call me nuts ...
But I just don’t see that as a possibility. You can’t take on the jobs of three people and do them all as effectively as you could if you actually had three people doing it..
it will be tough im sure but fuckit if he wants to do it he must think he can do it
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Uh huh.
And I think I can fly entirely unaided to the moon and back. Doesn’t make it plausible and doesn’t make trying it a good idea.
hey man at this point we have won like 6 games in the last two years if a
offensive cordinator who was in the super bowl something i havent seen in my life time wants to call plays im all for it cant be much worse . its not like we are superbowl champs right now we are just trying to survive the season.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
We'd have a better chance of that ...
If the guy resposible for management of the team didn’t feel the need to stick his hands in everywhere. He can’t do it all. Especially not in his first year.
I actually agree
but until he feels comfortable finding those people to do those, he has to take action now.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Its only 2 peoples jobs
And I’m sure he’l deligate some responsibilities to make sure he can handle everything
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
But the Patiot way is keeping all the titles letting others only do what they're good at
Bellicheck has no OC or DC. He has guys that work for him
Florio at PFT chiming in...as always
It’s unclear if Gailey will remain with the organization or whether the coordinator position will be filled. But Larry Johnson told 610 Radio in Kansas City Monday that Haley will be calling the plays for the Chiefs.
The approach is different than what Haley’s old boss Ken Whisenhunt did in Arizona, but ultimately it makes sense. Haley’s offensive philosophies appear quite different than how Gailey has traditionally run an offense.
If keeping Gailey on board was only delaying an inevitable switch to Haley or one of “his guys,” then making a move now was the right decision.
probably gonna be back to the
sweaty, and stoned looking Haley
by Grand Master A on Aug 31, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He's gonna look like that alot more now.
With the lack of sleep and a pissed wife from him never having time with his family he’s going to look like he rolled off the couch hungover everyday.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley sound is up:
“I THINK THE WORLD OF CHAN…
BUT ULTIMATELY…
THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS TEAM FALLS TO ME…”
Haley quote
“I was very dissappointed in the game in general.”
“There is no clearcut time. It is a matter of us doin what we think is best for the team”
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Id take one preseason game for starters...
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley quotes live
“We’re going to do everything we can to win Championships.”
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
And ...
“I was disappointed in the QB play this past weekend. So, against the Rams, I’ll be starting at the QB position. I’ll also be playing Right Tackle, Outside Linebacker and, depending on how many reps I give myself at practice, I’ll be place-kicking, too.”
by JacinB on Aug 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Must hire a QB coach.
We invest all of that money in Cassel and don’t even have a QB coach for him to talk with? What’s the deal.
by cameltoeuchdowns on Aug 31, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
his name
sounds like a bad side effect from an errection drug
by Grand Master A on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont know if you guys watched the bronco game last night but orlando pace on the bears
was looking soo bad oh man there were some plays he didnt even get out of his stance those guys are fucked if he is starting .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I watched it, he looks old and slow
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Here's the deal.
Haley is the one being held accountable for wins/losses. Gailey was playing conservative ball and haley is more aggressive by nature. This will be good for our team. Haley is good at this shit and I cannot wait to see this on the field.
Cheer up guys, this should be fun!
I have never seen so many men get their undies in a bunch before lol….good or bad what’s done is done. Now once again we antcipate & wait to see what the changes will bring. So far, I’m not as excited about the start of the season as I was a few weeks ago. But it is what it is. And I’m loyal til the end.
I am however, still excited about my trip to KC and still want to get together with some of the local So. Cal fans to watch a game or two at a bar. I need to get some excitement back because right now…I quite skeered.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
My undies aren't in a bunch. I wear a thong
I’m just excited to be excited about the Chiefs again. It’s been a long dark winter. I’m hopeful, so I bitch.
Looks good with those boots.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL so am I
Just be the crazy guy at the office that is the only one that can fix the coffee machine and they leave you alone
this is a little better i like when these panties are in a bunch
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
the guy in that picture is what keeps the porn industry in business
99.9% that guy has a names for his hands. Palmala handerson and hangie everheart
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
i call it
the octagon
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the move, but
I just read on ESPN that Bill Williamson thinks its a great move, so now I’m not so sure.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
This move better pay off.
Haley didn’t handle this the right way. At all. Both keeping Chan or letting him go had vaild pros and cons. We don’t need to rehash those. When Haley was forming his coaching staff, I was on the side of keeping Chan the OC, but it would have been perfectly reasonable for Haley to want to bring in someone he had familiarity with, whether that be someone else or even himself.
However, once the decision was made, you can’t panic less than two weeks before the season opener. If you don’t like the way he’s calling plays, fantastic — talk to him about it. If he is staying on in some capacity, then that changes things, because it isn’t as panicky. It’s just rearranging some things.
The way I see it, though, is that Haley is a bit of a control freak. He isn’t happy with where the offense is (I don’t think anybody is), and the way Haley fixes problems is he takes them over himself and tries to do it.
It may work out. If it does, Haley deserves a lot of praise, because calling plays and being a head coach is a helluva lot of work. But, in the case where our offense doesn’t improve, then Haley should see some MAJOR criticism. Terrible timing for such a move.
If he felt it was necessary, he should have done it earlier. I doubt that he waited until last night before finally realizing that hey, me and Chan don’t get along. I want to fire him.
So, Todd, don’t screw the pooch. Because you will look really, really bad if you do.
Here's how I see it going down.
Chan: “Look. I know it isn’t what you want to do, but with the problems on our Offensive line, we’re going to have to move back to the spread to give our QBs a chance to get the ball out. Tyler works most effectively from that spot anyway …”
Todd: “Not happening. We’re running things my way and Tyler’s gone anyway. Make it work with what we’ve got.”
Chan: “I’ve worked with this offense for a year. I know what we’ve got and what we don’t have. And, with Cassel out, we need to keep Tyler and go back to spread formation until we get the O-line fixed …”
Todd: “I said make it work.”
Chan: “You’re nuts if you think it’s going to work like this.”
Todd: “I’m nuts? You’re fired.”
by JacinB on Aug 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1.
Especially if there’s another line thrown there about Haley needing to control everything. Something like:
“Chan, if you won’t do it like I say, then I guess I’ll just have to do it all by myself. You’re fired.”
(looks to rest of coaches in room)
“Now, I’m the f**king offensive coordinator. If you wanna question me, go right on ahead. Follow Chan and his goofy-ass socks-and-sandals out the door. I’ll even coach the f**king defensive backs if I have to. I don’t give a shit. I’m in charge. I’m in control. Do what I say, or I will do it for you!”
Something like that.
by rockchalk on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha yess
but aside from all the funsies – why not keep chan to coach the QBs? hes better than anything we have and its one less thing haley has to worry about…
This is like
reading a transcript of 810 sports soren petro show
by Bestofthewest on Aug 31, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
Now is the PERFECT time for this. none of the starting lineup is completely established yet and there is still time for some game planning to turn this boat around. We have seen enough of Gailey to know what he’s going to do. What gailey would do isn’t working. Now it’s time for something different. we need to get this offense going and we need to do it now. No need to wait until after we’ve had another losing season.
Even with our terrible line play, this offense can still have some success. There have been a lot of teams with weak lines who have figured out ways to make it work. In fact, I didn’t really think Arizona’s line was very good but they got the ball away fast and ran the ball just well enough to keep them guessing. We CAN make it work but, it’s going to take some very sly play calling and offensive design.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree. Why wait
until four or six games are down the tube to adjust? Do it now and let the chips fall where they may. Start fresh at the opening of the season, and do everything possible to win. Haley already said we would “need to find ways to win”. You can’t do that putting up as few points as we have in the first three preseason games.
I agree
Haley will call plays that play to the (limited) strengths of the O-line. I can see him getting the RBs more involved with screen passes and draws. Heck, the porous O-line is perfect for screen passes. Shorter, quicker routes for the WR as well so the line doesn’t have to block all day.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Well, obviously it is better to do it now than halfway through the season.
That we can agree on.
Basically, I’m just wondering what the hell has changed since Haley made the move back in March or whatever to keep Gailey and now. From where I’m sitting, everything’s exactly the same.
The only thing I can think of that would be different is that Gailey and Haley disagree on something, or multiple somethings, and Gailiey won’t back down, so Haley just took over.
But I do agree that if Haley felt that Gailey isn’t right for the job, it is MUCH better to do it now than into the season. I just don’t understand why he brought Gailey back at all if this is what was going to happen.
gailey was auditioning for the job as well as the players.
of course Haley’s not going to badmouth Chan. He has some sense. But it wasn’t getting done and a change had to be made. Period.
Yep, he has gotten to see the offense perform against other teams and didn't like what he saw.
Seems to me like the rest of us didn’t like it either. Time to make the change.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
See, that's where I have a problem.
if Haley was determining whether Gailey would stay or not based off of the preseason, well then that just flat-out doesn’t make sense.
It’s the preseason. Of course, Gailey isn’t going to use the entire playbook. He doesn’t wnat to give anything away. I mean, come on.
I think you are probably right. I just don’t want to think of that way, because it doesn’t reflect well on Haley. When Haley was hired, I loved him to death. Thought he was just going to be excellent.
I still think he is going to be good, and has a shot at being great, but the way he has handled this offseason hasn’t been as great as I imagined. We are making even more dumb mistakes as a team, and that goes back to him. You can be a hardass all you want, and it sounds great and everything, but if it doesn’t produce results, well then who gives a shit?
I hope that I’m wrong and that this is all for the better and he turns out to be the next Belicheck. I’m just not holding my breath anymore.
How is this for a theory
Yahoo reporter supposedly had an inside source for his Cassel info that also included starting thiggy to replace him…………..with the current taboo on talking to the media did Chan speak to someone he shouldn’t have?? This was just the first thing that popped into my head when I heard the news on ESPN radio this afternoon and read most of this post without anyone floating this theory.
That being said I am not against this. I used to think Herm kept Chan from attacking in the second half last year now I am starting to think Chan ran out of gas way too quick.
martz
failed because he could not deal with players, haley may clash with players, but he can deal with them, inspire them, and make them play his style of football
martz is just a footballl mind.
nope
OC for NLFN!
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
haha yup
nice guy too – has good offensive input … it would never happen, but its cool to think about.
to be honest
no doubt him and Haley would clash, too much ego there
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley ball is more fun to watch.
The preseason games were reminding me too much of last year.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
10$ says we score more then one offensive TD this week.
or better yet more then the 0 from last week.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
i went 0-6
in intramural flag football last year as the QB so maybe he’s on to something.
he was injured. injured bad.
fire the oc
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
by CT Chief Fan on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Thigpen
because he has starting experience, and played well enough for a team to feel OK with him…sage got a 4th…
both have starting experience
and I think hindsight has been cruel to Croyle. I dont think we all felt horrid when Croyle was still the starter.
he was injured. injured bad.
uh
Thigpen has started 11 games in the NFL…and didnt go out injured in any of them…there is no comparison in terms of NFL starting experience.
But not getting injuried is his #1 redeeming quality
There is no comparison between a QB who has “IT” and one who doesnt
starting experience is not durability.
Croyle’s started 9 games, Thig 11. Very comparable starting experience.
he was injured. injured bad.
wtf
starting experience
and really dude? Do you really think Brodie Croyle didn’t throw any TDs? Honest question.
he was injured. injured bad.
Chan should have been gone
from the beginning. I thought for sure Haley would be calling the plays as soon as we hired him. He called the plays in the SB last year, enough said. Let’s go kill some birds, Im phsyched…
A fan since '90. I cried when Lowery missed the FG :( I was 11.
another twitter update
ChiefsPR: Coach Haley says he will coach the Chiefs QBs “with some help” . . .
an unnamed source
says that haley will have someone new bringing him water when he is thirsty.
by Grand Master A on Aug 31, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm jsut waiting for someone to say
“look what Haley did with Kurt Warner! He coached him into a pro-bowl/superbowl QB in just a year!”
I think this is a bad idea personally. Hopefully I’m wrong.
this has failure written all over it.
Shannahan and Holmgren were seasoned coaches this is Haleys first season. Denver went down hill when Shannahan started assuming these duties.
Actually, I think Denver went downhill when Shanahan started drafting players. He was OC and HC for a while when they had good teams
He didn’t know how to evaulate talent of the defensive side of the ball and whiffed on a lot of high draft picks on the D-Line…..wait, or am I getting that confused with Carl Peterson?
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
i want to know the winning percentage of coaches that control the offense or defense ?
from the side lines i want to see those numbers.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
.526 (886-689 cummulative)
Using the coaches listed earlier in the discussion theres the percentage. It is a bit deceiving because coaches who succeeded obviously had a long track record and recorded alot of wins whereas the coaches who werent so good didnt keep their jobs.
If you work out their individual winning percentage then average them all out, which likely gives a better idea of the efficiency of a move like this, you get an average winning percentage of .506. Thats using 13 coaches with varying success.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 31, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at what Haley did with Kurt Warner. He coached him into a superbowl QB in just a year!
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
he will be working at the same grocery store that jon mcgraw works at
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
damn cheerleader coach are you for real fuck im out of a job
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Coach Haley asks "Don" Pioli to play RT
This will be a bold move knowing that any one that comes in on that side of the ball will have to receive permission from him. If anyone moves on him he will take them to the mattress’ and they will be sleeping with the fishes.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
The odds of me getting my wife into those things are worse than the Chiefs going undefeated
“so you mean there’s a chance?”
UCLA
would only hit it if drunk
Besides, practice safe sex…make love with a Trojan.
Dauntlessly Matriculating