Report: Kansas City Chiefs Fire Chan Gailey as Coordinator
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2009 10:16 AM CDT
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Print(Update 10:58 AM: To clarify, the Chiefs press release said Gailey had been relieved of duties as the offensive coordinator. No word on whether he's still with the team. -Joel)
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have parted ways with offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.
A source within the otherwise impenetrable walls of One Arrowhead Drive advises that the Chiefs have fired this morning offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.
No word yet from anyone else on this and, frankly, it's shocking. A large part of the credit was given to Gailey for turning nothing into something last season when the Chiefs turned to Tyler Thigpen.
Gailey was told on late July that he would be handling the playcalling duties instead of head coach and former offensive coordinator Todd Haley. At the time Haley said, "Chan will call the plays as I see it right now. This is all part of the learning process of trying to get it right. That's where we'll start from, and I would say that's the way we'll go into the season."
This does come as a surprise because many folks across the league thought he was in the upper echelon of coordinators. We're not quite sure what happened, if anything in particular, that happened to spur the change of thought for Haley. But Saturday night's pathetic offensive performance likely had a large play in it.
The Chiefs have only scored 10, 13 and 10 points in three preseason games going 0-3.
Mike Florio also first reported (as far as we can tell) the MCL/ankle injury to Matt Cassel and the news that Devard Darling tore an ACL and will be out for the season. Neither story has been confirmed but it appears Florio has a nice source within the organization.
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Boy this came a bit out of left field
I hope Haley is calling the plays.
Im guessing Maurice Carthon will replace him...
He was the O-coordinator last year with Arizona
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean
Haley was the o-coordinator last year with Arizona
by Fourstrike89 on Aug 31, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
aw yes silly me...
Really ment to say he made the jump with Haley from Arizona last year.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat the F
Haley must be calling the plays now.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Wow! This late in the preseason?!?!
They must have someone pegged to replace him.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
I'd say Haley /Carthon and maybe Bill Muir
with Haley calling the plays on game day and Carthon in the booth.
woah
Just when you start to think you have an idea of whats going on around here..
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
My
thoughts exactly
Colquitt = Chiefs Hall of Fame
by nillaguerilla on Aug 31, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Reason for change:
Everyone knew what we were doing on Offense & what the play was going to be before we did. Haley will bring the unexpected, which is great because I (for one) am tired of knowing what is coming next!
Holy Crap!
Haley hinted at displeasure over play calling after the last game (running game stopped).
Wonder is a ‘discussion’ over starting QBs played any part also.
can someone watch the video and get the quote?
not in the notes on Mothership
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
"Running the football is something we’re going to have to be able to do," Haley said. "If there was a positive early, I felt we were moving the ball on the ground a little bit. We got sidetracked. We can’t let that happen for whatever reason. I shouldn’t say for whatever reason. I should say whatever the circumstances in a game that’s close like that.
from KC Star article
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah that would be pretty cryptic
If anyone saw that, they need to give me some lottery ticket advice…
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I really wondered when I watched the video
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
wondered that they were unhappy
or that they were going to fire gailey?
Sorry this just hit me like a brick from left field.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I could tell he was unhappy
wondered if he and Gailey would talk about it. Never thought Gailey would be gone.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW!
Are the Chiefs falling apart already??? Gonna be a long year again fellas…
Is it too late to get Herm back?
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
Better watch that mouth...
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
You shut your dirty mouth.
There’s no need for that talk around here.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
(Slaps ArrowdDread)
GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Them is fighting words
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Great Call!!
I never understood why that keep that pass crazy bastard in the first place!!!
If ya get another coordinator job Chan, Heres a hint, RUN THE FUCKIN BALL some!
Really?
Is that why he said that they got away from there run game to soon and we can never do that? He didn’t run much in AZ cuz they didn’t have a back and two of the best WO’s in the league.
by JohnNdallas on Aug 31, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
what are u saying
they ran the ball last year with hightower a lot – his goal line offense was very efficient.
That's just an ignorant comment...
The Cardinals were LAST in rushing attempts last year with 340 attempts ALL FRIGGIN YEAR. Their rushers sucked, their WRs were studs. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that you throw the stupid ball.
this isn't arizona
Haley has commented multipe times that we need to run more.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I agree
I was just pointing out to Chiefer that Arizona did NOT “run the ball a lot with Hightower”. The Cardinals were a passing team because they had to be and it made sense. Haley is smart enough to look at a team and exploit its strengths. If our RBs are better than our WRs it makes sense to use them.
hightower had 10 rushing TDs last year
so thats bad? they had a running game, its just their pass game opened up their running game rather than the other way around…a little unorthadox. but still, 10 rushing tds says something for a rookie RB. thats more than any RB on our team had? idc if they were last in yards, they still ran the ball.
and tim hightower
doesnt suck. edgerrin james even played well towards the end of the season. think about what you are saying before you say it. i never said they were a GREAT running team- i said their goal line offense was efficient and they ran the ball. just used the pass to open it up.
"Think before I say it?" Dude, you are uninformed.
“Their goal line offense was efficient and they ran the ball. just used the pass to open it up.”
Chiefer you only have to go to nfl.com to look at last years stats to become informed before you start the diarrhea of the mouth. Arizona was 18th in Rushing TDs, last in attempts, last in yards, 31st in yards per carry. Yes, Tim Hightower and his 2.8 YPA was tied for 8th in TD’s amoung rushers but his total yards, all 399 of them, still ranked him 52nd amoung RBs. So please give me solid numbers that will support your statement that the Cardinals running game “was efficient and they ran the ball. just used the pass to open it up.” I think that statement is rediculous. Their numbers say that they did not trust their running backs unless they only needed to get a few yards or where inches from the goal line. Yes, Hightower can punch a few yards into the end zone and does it fairly well. Yes, Edge did well in the post season. That does not make up for the regular season. It does not even make the 2008 Cardinals a GOOD running team much less a great one. They were a BAD running team. I’m a huge Fitz and Warner fan. Arizona was a fantastic story. I loved seeing Kurt resemble his MVP self of the old days. I was rooting for Arizona last year. I’m glad they made the Superbowl. If I could say that they were good at RB then I would. Beanie Wells looked good this weekend. Maybe they will have a good rushing attack this year. They did not have it last year.
Here. You can follow this link and show me how you’re looking at the fact because I just don’t see it but really… what is the point in arguing? My whole point was that I think Haley is smart enough to use the best weapons he has. Last year the talent between WRs and RBs was lopsided so he relied on the passing attack. If no one steps up among our recievers I believe that he is bright enough to utilize LJ and Charles if running a ballanced attack would hurt us due to a deficiency of depth in the passing game.: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2008&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go
"thats more than any RB on our team had?"
Maybe that had something to do with this quote from herm… Our short passing game is our run game"
What the hell?
This is going to be a looooooooooooooooong year.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
We ARE coming for that number 1 pick.
34 points in 3 games is fucking embarrasing though. I don’t see this as all Gaily’s fault, afterall its not his decision to not pick up any o-linemen.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
I think it will actually improve our offense.
How could it get any worse?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
right?
you’d think we traded dwayne bowe for a 5th rounder or something. all we did was fire an OC, that brought us no where last year, and no where in this pre-season…were 0-3. there was no pizzazz to the offense in the first three games. wow as im writing this sportscenter does the “this just in” and theres gaileys face.
the problem is the timing.
That’s why people are freaking out.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree to a point....
We could get 22 people off the street and look better than we have this preseason.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Gah, I'm tired of top 5 picks
I want wins, and the only pick I want is 32nd overall.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Aug 31, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The DON PIOLI will figure this team out and make the Chiefs winners....
This new management does not mess around with average players and now average coaches for that matter…I love the move even though it will set us back in the sort term….
What the ... ?!
Dear God, please let this season not suck as much as it’s starting to look like it’s going to suck.
by JacinB on Aug 31, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Buh-bye
Now only if they’d do the same with Krumrie.
I like the fact that they’re not only evaluating players, but staff just as much. There won’t be any comments like: “The coaches have done all they can and it’s up to the players”.
All for one and one for all.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
the Defensive Line has looked better than the offense as a whole
why fire Krumrie?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Krumrie's been discussed on many thread
Just to give you a glimpse of the most recent:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4/8/826036/same-old-chiefs-defense#13900520
His attitude as well as success (or lacl thereof) in developing Pro Bowl level Defensive lineman.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Chan Gailey
Sucked anyways. Why keep someone who’s calling awful plays? Find someone as OC who can coach people up and let Haley call the plays. We’ll be ok guys. If they thought this move really hurt the team, they would have kept him.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Gailey did not suck
He made a uberconcervating Herm Edwards team exciting and vibrant last year. I just chalked the offencive ineptitude this year to “Vanilla preseason playcalling”
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point
However, he’s obviously done a bad job this year. I guess the guy can only call plays when his teams in the spread.
Whatever the circumstances, you just hope that it makes the team better.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
You can't lay the failure of the O last season to adjust after the half fully on Herm
Gailey’s offense in the 2nd half was horrid right up till the time when the opposing D went into full prevent mode
Is that Chan
calling plays the way Herm wants them called, though? Herm was known for being conservative, and its no coincidence that we went ultra conservative in the second halves of games.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Aug 31, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
He literally pulled a rabbit out of his ass and made the Chiefs put up points last year
Hats off… RIP
ENTER: Haley the Magnificent!
You have just received the Amish Virus. Since we do not have electricity or computers, you are on the honor system. Please delete all of your files.
Thank thee
WOW
well Haley the pressure is on. Have fun making that offense click with that oline. Haley is a pass happy coach and our oline can’t protect Cassel for more than a few seconds. Will be interesting to see what he comes up with
Maybe ...
We really ought to consider picking up another QB and keeping all 5 on staff. I’m getting the sinking feeling that we’re going to need them.
Don't worry
The O-line will be different once opening day starts. They’ll make it better with additions.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
This doesn't mean it is going to be a long year
it means EVERYONE is accountable. Just like they have been saying from day 1. We fire players all the time. Shouldn’t be different here. If he isn’t getting the job done we’ll find someone who will.
It’s simple.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Replacing a coach is way harder than replacing interchangable players
The only way this works is Haley is also the OC.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take the NFC Champions Offensive Coordinator over Gailey at this point.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
You know Gailey was OC in the AFC Champ game
and has taken teams to the playoffs as a HC, right?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That was then, this is now....or...what have you done for me lately comment:
I’m well aware of that fact, but I’m also aware that his Offense won 6 games the last 2 years and Haley was the OC for the NFC Champs last year.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Herm Edwards
Took teams to the playoffs too…doesn’t mean he’s a good fit for the team though.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Right... he took
Vermeil’s and Parcells’ teams to the playoffs.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Aug 31, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
NFC Champions
Got to the championship on accident
by Bestofthewest on Aug 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, cause you can win your division and all the playoff games purely by accident
It has nothing to do with talent or coaching whatsoever.
I guess the Chiefs shouldn’t even practice since it’s all about “being lucky”.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
And even then ...
It’s going to be a problem. You don’t fire a guy as high up in the organization as Gailey was this close to the start of the season. It’s a pretty much tacit admission that you’re writing off the season.
Bull. Changing course before you start the season does not mean you are giving up.
If you are driving into a brick wall your ass better swerve before you hit it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you ought to go back and look ...
Check the records of teams that fired a coach or coordinator this close to the start of the season or within the first few weeks of the season over the past … well, ever.
Things don’t tend to improve under the new guy. Things tend to get worse. If this were just about Haley calling plays, Haley could’ve done that without firing Chan. It’s bigger than that.
+1
Anything is an improvement in my opinion. How can this offense get any worse?
Oh and…Yaaaaay! All this talk about Thigpen and the Arrowspread can finally die and we can finally have a real offense again. Go Haley!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you don't watch a lot of college football, but ...
The Spread is a real offense.
Ironically, I think a lot of people had your attitude about the West Coast offense way back when.
I was going to say something too
maybe the word you were looking for was “effective”
Much easier to argue the effectiveness of the spread than the realness of it
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
"the spread is a real offense"
In college football. That’s the kicker. Nothing wrong with it. It just doesn’t work in the NFL.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It's really about the linebackers at the pro level.
They’d kill the receivers on the quick slant.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Jux: duly noted.
Effective is probably a better word.
But seriously, I am stoked about this. I trust Haley alot more than I trusted Chan. I actually think he has the capability to design plays that will keep our QBs out of danger and give us a chance to utilize our talents.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
suprised our te coach hasn't gotten the boot yet either
Haley has bitched at him in practice and the fact that Cottam has not developed and Sean Ryan has been underwhelming has left me far from impressed with him
Its going to be a long year regardless of who our OC is.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Different Philosophy?
Either that or inability on Haley’s part to let Chan lead. Obviously a problem O line. Gotta wonder why that was allowed to linger from last season.
Its time to stop thinking Pioli and Haley have all the answers
its going to be a tough learning process for them. just got to stay patient….for now
Strange timing?
Seems like this is an strange time to fire a coach. I will raise my hand as another person to say, “didn’t see that coming”.
Not sure what to make of this right now.
Holy shit!
I just heard about Chan Gailey and could only think of one thing—I gotta check Arrowhead Pride. Good stuff.
Yea, definitely didn't see this coming...
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
too many updates and new comments!
I’m surprised by this. I hope Haley can handle the dual duties…. SIGH
Wow..
What does this mean for Thiggy’s future with the club? Chan was the designer of last year, without him does that mean he’s out the door soon also? He obviously can’t run the pro style as seen Saturday night.
are we sure gailey was fired and didn't want to leave?
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
No professionals resign
just before the season starts, if they ever want to work again.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
good point.
Just trying to make sense of everything.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Thigpen will be traded today
is my guess.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
I think they should at least work Runyan out
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
...and Taucher
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
i think tauscher is still hurt
i put up a free agent list and it said he might not be ready for the season
Gailey has been high up on a team that has 6 wins in 2 years
….
The sky is falling!?
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Explain please?
Wouldn’t keeping him around then getting rid of him after a season of poor offense be a built in excuse?
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 31, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Imagine it like this though
you’re todd haley – you get handed this coaching job after just taking an offense to the superbowl and damn near winning it- you’re very confident in your play calling and theres another OC here…so being new, you make amends and give him the OC job…you go through OTA’s, training camp, and 3 pre-season games and you just dont feel right about this offense. what are you to do…go into the season not feeling right?
he wants to call the plays
and he should have that right – hes the god damn head coach…he took his offense against one of the best defenses to ever play this gameee and made them look silly (granted on a count of larry fitz’s athleticism) but it was because of haley larry came out of his shell last year. we’re gonna be fine gents.
Good point, but now the built in excuse is
“growing pains” rather than “horrible personnel decisions”
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
theres no built in excuse
its a personnel move that frankly, is a breath of fresh air to me. that whole plethora of plays on the goal line against the vikings jsut made me sick. the order in which they were called and the plays that were selected. im happy haley is going to take over – lets see what he can bring the KC. its a change that we all really wanted. dont lie.
we don't technically know if Haley is taking OC duties over,
though it is a safe assumption.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
For a team that is supposed to be horrible, this has been one drama filled offseason
New GM
New Coach
New QB
Hurt new QB
- WR’s demoted
Scrub WR’s put on the 1st team
and now this
Thank god I have all that popcorn warming up waiting for TO to explode in Buffalo
All we need now
is either a trade for Boldin or Marshall. That would be hilarious.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they'll announce they're changing the team name from the Chiefs too....
anyone want to guess?
The Kansas City....
Native American Indian Leaders. It’s all about political correctness.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
I always felt like they were just barely retaining Gailey.
I see Haley calling the plays this year and allowing Pioli a year to find “His guy”.
ahhhh
I should really be paying attention in my class instead of APing it up, but this news is too big.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Psych at WSU
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Read the book. The lecture is worthless.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats what I'm starting to pick up on.
My instructor is cool and everything but she doesn’t outline her shit very well..
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I have no problem with this except it should have been done months ago.
If he was not going to keep Gailey, Haley should have made this decision earlier so we would be more prepared.
+1
Just like our oline. Should have been fixed months ago but instead right before the season we’re using draft picks on other team’s back ups
It's easy to say that now
but the D-Line needed just as much help. I can’t blame them for that.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
so that trade or another one could not have been done sooner
it had to be done 2 games into the preseason?
Oh, I agree.
Just pointing out that the “Pioli is at fault” meme is getting tired already.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
about time
did anyone really think he had a chance after herm was booted i think they let him stay just too see what he would do in preseason and thats it he was interviewing for the job as soon as haley showed up
by cainsbigonchiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
that's kinda the problem here
Why wasn’t he fired to begin with?
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
interesting
What’s the job of an offensive coordinator?
My guess…
- put all of the offensive players in a position to succeed
- call plays that keep opponents guessing, and showcase the talents of your players
- put points on the board, by any means
- help evaluate talent on the offensive side of the ball, work with HC and GM to fill holes in the offense
Well, you could argue that Gailey kinda got it done last year… he “made chicken salad out of chicken shit” and put some points on the board…
But, last year’s problem appears to be this year’s problem as well… finishing games, and punching it over the goal line when it counts…
I think Haley was disguisted that the offense couldn’t score at the end of the game when they had a chance to win, and felt he could either do better himself, or had someone else already in mind.
As for the other stuff… calling plays, evaluating talent, etc… I think it’s clear that Haley and Gailey have different ideas on both.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Perhaps instead of this being a mark against Gailey, this is really a show of confidence in our Defense?
With the defense apparently in hand, now Haley can focus on the offense? It’s a thought.
they didnt
wanna give his old a** a heart attack but im glad hes gone . but noww what about thiggy gailey was the only reason he had a chance also omg where is this all going to go in the end?
by cainsbigonchiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
I always thought Haley kind of wanted to call the plays
now he knows what kind of team he has and they decided to just go for it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
if haley
starts calling plays do you think it will be better or worse for the team
by cainsbigonchiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
That's the question.
Is he needed to oversee the team activities from an HC perspective? If not, we’ll be better.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Better...definitely.
It’s more important to Coach haley that we win than it is to Gailey. His reputation is on the line. Nobody blames the OC for a loss.
Haley is taking the offense on his back and showing true accountability. I think he will make our O much more effective.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
on notice
Mike Cox- That was Gailey’s guy. Based on the blocking struggles so far, I bet Haley/Pioli are shopping for a new FB
Thigpen- I think and hope the trade happens now. even if it’s for a 5th round pick
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I'd be happy with a half-eaten candy bar. But a 5th would be sweet!
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
that's funny
2 days ago, everyone was arguing that a 5th is a joke, and they shouldn’t take less than a 3rd.
1 bad preseason game… that looked a lot like last year’s games, where there was a chance to win at the end… and everyone on AP wants to dump Thigpen.
even the best Chiefs fans can be fickle, huh?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
Thigpen's agent
Just told Nick Wright that Thigpen was playing with 2 broken ribs Saturday.
i was hoping for a big turnaround this season and now i just dont see it….im starting to lose faith on what we can do this year. I was hoping to make major strides in the win category but now im just not so sure. cassel is hurt, thigpen looks like ass, and are oline couldn’t block the little giants…damnit its hard to be a chiefs fan
What could be a bigger turnaround?
New GM, New HC, New DC, (New OC?), New starting QB, a #1 draft pick on the end….
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
And you'll be satisfied ...
… if all that ‘new’ brings along with it that old 2-14 record?
I won’t. We could have had that without changing anything and would’ve been a year closer to actually being done rebuilding, rather than tearing everything down and starting over again this year.
The selling point on the changes was that you don’t have to suck while you’re rebuilding. They’ve yet to do anything to actually prove that true.
It's a testament to how poorly Carl/Herm managed this team, honestly.
We’re starting over. Pretend this was three two years ago and we have nothing.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Talent-wise, depth-wise Chiefs are probably last in the league
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
espn
is showing brodie vs tyler’s stats – brodie with a 80.4 passer rating and thigpen with a 56.4. YAY. john clayton on now, everybody turn on ESPN!
Thigpen lovers....
Eat crow! He sucks! Live with it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
clayton
thinks thigpen will start but is saying that there are still teams interested in him. hmmm….
wait so gailey wasnt fired? just relieved of his OC duties
does that mean he will still be on our coaching staff?
ESPNRadio ...
Colin Cowherd just ran a bit: “You’re not going to win the SuperBowl if …”
Number 1 on his list? “You fire your Offensive Coordinator two weeks before the first game of the season.”
He’s now got the Chiefs officially crossed off his list of Superbowl contenders, along with Oakland, Denver, Detroit and Cleveland.
never said he doesnt have a point
if anybody thinks were winning the superbowl you have to be outside your mind. i just want tto have a good enough season where we can all be confident to know that with todd haley and the new management, we have a good shot to be going to one in hte near future.
Who cares what they say on ESPN?
Those guys suck anyway. This is probably a good move.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
my exact quote was...
“This COULD very well net instant results”
I will stand tall on that…If Haley is going to be the one doing the play calling.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah ESPN's reputation has tarnished in my opinion
within the last year – ill admit tho theres few guys there who deserve credibility for their reports and john clayton is definitely one of them.
Well now that Colin's off the bandwagon
I guess we can sell our tickets.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
omg
broken ribs and he still plays does anyone know what the hell would happen if brokie broke his ribs he would be at home wit his girl getting worse as a qb trade brokie and get thiggy some o-line helllllppppppp
by cainsbigonchiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
Pre-season game #4 might actually be meaningful for the Chiefs this year
Thigpen’s next to go, without Gailey, Thigpen has no place in the offence. Haley gets to make it what he wants it to be without anyone left from the old regieme. Get O’Connell, dump Thigpen and Croyle.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
+1
Id be down for a little Marty Ball right about now.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Would a new OC even come in here
The offense/verbage that is in place is here to stay for the season. What OC worth his salt would want to walk into that?
one that's already here coaching the RB
one that Haley loves
one that will let Haley call the plays
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I feel like
Someone just kicked me in the family jewels!! Cant believe this! Ok wait….relax…don’t panic….OMG its too late! Where is the panic room? HELP!!
I want K.C. Wolfs' job!
I'm excited.
It’s not like this is change for the sake of it.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too. I couldn't be happier actually.
We’ve seen what gailey does with our team. I’m ready for some new blood and, I’d rather do it now as opposed to waiting for the season to start.
I bet our offense looks waaaay better on Thursday. This could very well net INSTANT results.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And when it doesn't ...
When we go from scoring 10-13 points a game to 0-3 (against the RAMS!), are you going to admit you were wrong?
I am NOT scared to admit if I am wrong.
But really, how can it be worse than it has been? I think the calling will improve as well as the overall offensive stats. TOP, points scored, everything. Haley is a smart cat, he knows what we have and I think we will be much more successfful with him calling the game. He DID just lead his offense to the Super Bowl.
Also, Kurt Warner is like 40 years old and he hasn’t had any injuries at Arizona. I believe there is a direct correlation between play calling and QB injuries. I thought so last year and I still believe it to be true.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
How can it get worse?
I have some ideas:
1. Tyson Jackson dies of a heart attack.
2. LJ beats up Kay Barnes on the Plaza.
3. Cassel never heals properly.
4. Haley implodes as HC.
5. Tony G wins a SB in ATL.
6. Bowe has a breakout year, then demands a trade, Marshall-style.
7. We bring in Brandon Marshall.
8. The Chiefs move to San Antonio.
Careful asking how it can get worse. It can ALWAYS get worse.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Krumie the last man standing?
We’ve got ourselves an expansion franchise.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
If Thigpen's ribs are "broken"
We ain’t gettin’ SHIT for him. This a ploy to keep him on a team where QBs are certain to get injured again (esp. with Croyle in front of him)?
Where did that come from?
Leftfield?
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The agent is probably lying to make excuses for Thiggy's horrible play.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking.
But if he’s telling the truth, does it matter? He sucks with or without broken ribs.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Suprised yes shocked no
If you think about it he pretty much failed in the evaluating talent part. The most important part of the offense, the line is a disaster and our heavily invested QB goes down.
Speeking of which, watching the tape on that play, It made me wonder why that play would have even been called. Guards were pulling left and right and not hitting anyone. Terribly called, terribly designed blocking scheme with our talent pool…
Am I wrong here, isn’t it Chan that designs the blocking schemes too? If so he FAILS. He’s old hat peeps. I’m all for Haley calling the plays.
A fan since '90. I cried when Lowery missed the FG :( I was 11.
I wonder if Gailey told Pioli and Haley that Chiefs could win with the O-players they had on the roster
Obviously they aren’t buying that any more…. kind of late to start over but I’m glad they didn’t decide to punt the season away and are going to try to make the team better every day.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
As if they needed it...
This only reinforces that no one on the team is safe. Perform or be prepared to be replaced.
This just in. KC parts ways with KC Wolf
Haley on the matter:
“Pumping up the crowd is something we’re going to have to be able to do,” Haley said. "If there was a positive early, I felt we were getting the fans involved a little bit. We got sidetracked. We can’t let that happen for whatever reason. I shouldn’t say for whatever reason. I should say whatever the circumstances in a game that’s close like that.The Wolf is done.
Rumored replacements:
by mushin on Aug 31, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
lmao
Trainwrecked.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Good call
KC Wolf has been washed-up for years.
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
Theres a new Wolf in town, in fact it's several
and they are the Arrowhead Pride Wolf Pack!
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just a decoy...
I think Haley is just trying to free KC Wolf of some of his current responsibilities in lieu of Todd’s recent job opening at OC.
Mark my words- the Wolf will be wearing a headset this year. Let’s see how many sacks those opposing DEs get once they’re introduced to the running clothes line and the flying belly flop…
Wow. This is quite shocking.
In hindsight, redzone play calling was absolutely formidable. I hope Haley calls the plays.
+1
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Lorenzo Neal!!
We need a blocker!! This guy will lay you out!! It’s all he wants to do! He’s available!
i would love lorenzo neal
LOVE it- i think hes hurt tho, and why would the RAIDERS cut him? thats a bit of a shock isnt it?
Not hurt
I was listening to an interview on Sirius the day before he was released with Lorenzo and he was fired up and was knocking the shit out of guys all camp long!! I was shocked when I heard the next day that he had been released.
I am a huge Chiefs fan who lives in Phoenix and have followed Haley very closely, he is the real deal. There is a reason he gave Chan his walking papers! This guy was hired by Herm and had the worst play calling in the league!! Do you forget how bad it was?? He did a little something last year with a gimmick, but trying to run a regular offense is much different. Haley brought this new offensive system from Arizona and Chan did not know how to call it. Haley will now call the right play for the right situation and get it done! He also does not give a shit where you were drafted or how much you are being paid! Play hard and smart or you will not play! Period! No more hugs and kisses! Their paid a hell of a lot of money to play! Be a pro or your gone!! Simple as that!
I am shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am drinking the cool-aid!
I have bought in to Pioli and am thankful he is here. I fully support any decision Haley and Pioli make to take steps of improvement. Unfortunately it is a reallybad time to be released for Galey. KEEP YOUR HEADS UP, WE HAVE A TON OF POSITIVES….I love the contant change to make us better. Hope Cassel gets back ASAP and that Croyle plays in his place! Go Chiefs!
by casselreadychiefs on Aug 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
Lorenzo Neal
Lorenzo Neal!! We need a blocker!! This guy will lay you out!! It’s all he wants to do! He’s available!
by Zane29 on Aug 31, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would love lorenzo neal LOVE it- i think hes hurt tho, and why would the RAIDERS cut him? thats a bit of a shock isnt it?
by CHIEFER on Aug 31, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not hurt I was listening to an interview on Sirius the day before he was released with Lorenzo and he was fired up and was knocking the shit out of guys all camp long!! i was shocked when i heard the next day that he had been released.
I am a huge Chiefs fan who lives in Phoenix and have followed Haley very closely, He is the real deal. There is a reason he gave Chan his walking papers! This guy was hired by Herm and had the worst play calling in the league!! Do you forget how bad it was?? He did a little something last year with a gimmick, but trying to run a regular offense is much different. Haley brought this new offensive system from Arizona and Chan did not know how to call it. Haley will now call the right play for the right situation and get it done! He also does not give a shit where you were drafted or how much you are being paid! Play hard and smart or you will not play! Period! No more hugs and kisses! Their paid a hell of a lot of money to play! Be a pro or your gone!! Simple as that!
by Zane29 on Aug 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
Change is good!
Now maybe everyone, including every defensive player, won’t actually know what play is going to be ran before the offense even gets up to the line of scrimmage. If the play-calling is so predictable that us as fans know what is coming; it is no wonder that the defenses were (& have been) teeing off on us & pinning their ears back! With Haley calling the plays, maybe we can “strengthen” (or at least disguise the weakness of) our offensive line by keeping the defense off-balance.
Wow!
I must admit right now I am a Broncos Fan, but having nothing against the Cheifs what-so-ever, afterall – you’re not the Raiders or Chargers :)
Change might be a good thing for you guys, but I am surprised as I was under the impression that he was a really good coordinator!
I hope you guys the best and wish you luck in the upcoming season!
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