Report: Chiefs QB Matt Cassel Could Be Out 2-4 Weeks with Injured MCL
Two to four weeks for a strained MCL is what Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports is saying a source within the Kansas City Chiefs organization told him:
Quarterback Matt Cassel (notes) could miss two to four weeks with a strained medial collateral ligament in his right knee, a source within the Kansas City Chiefs organization said.
Cassel, who the Chiefs acquired in a trade with New England this offseason, was hurt Saturday night in an exhibition game against Seattle. The injury is not expected to require surgery because MCL injuries usually heal on their own.
Cole goes on to say that Cassel suffered a less serious ankle injury to go along with the strained MCL.
How much can we trust this report? Josh Looney of the Chiefs says that Cole has a legit report. Via his Twitter feed:
Jason Cole of Yahoo has most reliable source of info to date credits team source with report of Cassel strained mcl out 2 to 4 wk no surgery
If Cassel can't go in Week 1, who gets the nod? Right now, it's Tyler Thigpen says Cole. Suddenly, Thigpen's value to the Chiefs has increased dramatically. Despite his poor play, he's still the more prepared quarterback on the depth chart.
Still, Looney goes on to say that the Chiefs QB competition is still that: a competition.
I do ? Cole's "source" as he also claims Thigpen will take over 4 cassel. I still believe there is plenty of competition 4 chiefs #2 QB
I agree with Looney. Matt Gutierrez has played too well and Tyler Thigpen too poorly to not think there is a healthy competition there. Thigpen may end up starting in place of Cassel but I think that the gap between Thigpen and Gutierrez closed quite a bit on Saturday night. Brodie Croyle is another candidate of course but after this weekend, I'm not sure where he stands.
I want to reiterate on this report that Cole cites a team source for his information and Looney, a Chiefs employee, is backing him up essentially. This info is very solid IMO.
The 2-4 week report meshes up with what we've noticed in other MCL type injuries. Last year, Matt Schaub missed weeks 9-12 with a similar injury. Tavaris Jackson had a mild MCL sprain about a month ago in preseason. It kept him out of action for less than two weeks. Knowshon Moreno, the Denver Broncos first round pick, isn't a definite for week one because of an MCL.
Surgery isn't required but a sprain is a sprain and the only cure is rest. The problem for the Chiefs is that they travel to Baltimore in 14 days for the first game of the regular season. This injury certainly delays the Chiefs' progression on offense until Cassel returns but I feel relieved that the situation isn't worse.
Worse case scenario, Cassel returns for Week 3 at the Philadelphia Eagles. Is that so bad? With the way the offensive line is playing right now, the Chiefs quarterback position isn't exactly the safest spot on the field.
Breathe easy, Chiefs fans. The Matt Cassel era is coming. It's just on hold for the moment.
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Zero credibility
He injured his left leg, not his right.
by golfbard on Aug 30, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha
That may be wrong but I feel confident in the report.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
That’s the first thing I thought too. Besides, how many “sources” have we seen out of the organization thus far? Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a smokescreen. Until we see something announced out by Pioli/Haley, I take it with a grain of salt.
I believe Croyle should be the starter
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Agree
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather Thigpen
start in Baltimore just so he can take the beating the Ravens are going to lay on him while our OL starters get real gametime reps together.
Croyle’s looked great all offseason but after the way our OL played yesterday, I feel like it would be some sort of cruel punishment to put him in against the fucking Ravens for his first regular season game back since he blew out his knee behind a line that looked very similar to this one.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
So this brings up the point
If Croyle isn’t capable of taking the punishment, why is he even on the roster?
I mean if we are going to use an inferior QB because we’re afraid of Croyle getting hurt, what use is he?
Right now he’s healthy and is the better backup QB. He should play. If he gets hurt again, the next guy will have his opportunity.
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Agreed
Croyle needs to prove he can lead a team our get the hell outa the way!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget
thigpen is a young late draft pick that got thrown behind a crap line if not for tony g he would have only thrown single didget tds D bowe dropped 4 tds and three games by himself
the only way this team is gonna win is 13-10 or 10-6 if someone involed in a chiefs game scores 17 were screwed. im more concerened a bout brandon flowers cos if our D cant score for us and put us in range to get feild goals we will see plenty of games like carolina and tenesee last year
Simple
Thiggy will get the start next week just to make up for the crap he put up the other night. He will be on the block no matter what Cassel’s rehab time will be… Teams will really be looking at their backup QB situation considering that those QB’s will get 2 full quarters in the 4th preseason game…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 30, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
He’s worth keeping, or he’d be gone, by now. He can do some things. But you really need to set the table, to give this kid a chance at the feast.
I think there’s a good chance that Alleman-Ndukwe will help the Chiefs ratchet-up the O-Line, but I think it’ll take time. As long as the O-Line is in this much doubt, and clearly not in-synch, putting Croyle in would amount to self-fulfilling prophecy, if Haley has the same doubts about this kid that we do.
Let the rough-n-tumble Thigpen get some reps and improve his game while this line gets itself together. A leg sprain excuse to keep Cassel out of harm’s way while the o-line is taking shape doesn’t really bother me TOO much, although I’d certainly rather see Cassel with time in the pocket.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Thigpen the starter? Really?
C’mon, let Brodie play!!!
yeah I'd rather go with accuracy and arm strength over durability
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Yes lets play Brodie after all of the amazing offensive producation we've had from him!!
I mean he’s had ZERO 2 td games in his career..ZERO.
I’ll take Thigpen any day..
It’s preseason for christ sakes. For better or worse, preseason doesn’t mean shit..I saw thigpen perform incredibly well during the REGULAR season last year and could careless about his performance during pre season..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So incredibly well last year he won a game.
And lost only 10! Amazing.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He posted some 100+ QB ratings.
There are times, when it all comes together for him, that it almost seems unfair for the opposing defense. By the measure you’re imposing on him, Gonzalez wasn’t worth a 2nd round pick from Atlanta.
This is no time to be risking an extraordinary passer with durability questions. And I’m in no hurry to see our franchise QB taking snaps behind this bunch. The latest pick-up from Miami, and possibly one or two more pick-ups, and a couple weeks for the new configuration to get some chemistry (Yes, it takes time, but if the talent’s there, the teamwork will follow fairly quickly), and then maybe throw Cassel or Croyle in there.
That’s probably part of why Pioli’s saying the asking price is a 3rd-rounder for Thigpen. If there are no takers, Thiggy’s a nice guy to have around, if things go to shit, and they appear to have.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Another spectacular argument levied.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You should put that on a t-shirt.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Brilliant!!
right above a picture of thiggy overthrowing a WIDE open receiver (have many to choose from)
Or a picture of Brodie in a sling
we’ve got enough to start a national archive with those.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
the arguement here is that THIGPEN SUCKS BALLZ
Not including Brodie in the argument…that is further down the page. hell we could put 1 picture on the front and the other on the back…we would be rich.
Jesus is cassel back yet?
+1
That picture alone is a reason to play him.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not true
funny pictures>hot women who aren’t available.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
So you have nothing to add other than
OMGTHIGPENTOTALLYSUX
Do not pas go, do not collect $200, go directly to FAIL.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Thigpen is just young.....
……….compare him with any QB in his circumstance in NFL history running all kinds of offenses you realize that for most of them its all they can do to complete a pass. John Elway had the same QB rating for a whole season his first year as tyler had in his worst game
Here we go again!
People comparing Thigpen to Elway again. I have heard him compared to Elway, Vick, and Roethlisberger now. THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS! don’t you people watch the games?
Why don’t you compare him to Joe Montana, or Johnny Unitus while your’e at it. I wonder how he statistically compares to Jesus? I heard Jesus didn’t have that great of a season his first year. I wasn’t alive but, thats what I heard.
Thigpen is a terrible QB. just really, really bad. he was bad last year and he is no better now. Let Croyle play! Neither of them are going to win against Baltimore so, we might as well play him and see what he can do. He can’t be any worse than that fiasco we saw on Saturday.
Watching Thiggy play is like watching a retard humping a doorknob.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
And lets not forget.
Oakland handed him that game on a silver platter by botching a stupid fake FG. Otherwise, he would have lost that game too.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 31, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah give croyle a quarter and a half next preseason game then showcase thigpen with the backups.
by cameltoeuchdowns on Aug 30, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions
You think professional GMs don't see through the whole "garbage time" showcase?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I think Brodie
Will get the starting nod in Cassel’s absence. We need to find out if he can stay healthy and if he can I think he is a much better QB than Thigpen. I was totally unimpressed with Thiggy last night. I want to see more of Guttierez too. He looks like he has a pro style arm.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Agreed I am at a loss for words over rumors that Thigpen will start week 1
I just don’t see how that’s possibile. This must be some PR stunt in hopes for a trade offer for Thiggy
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To the Ravens?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How are you at a loss of words?
Thigpen has played 5 times better than Croyle in actual games that count…So again…How are you at a loss for words?
I really get a kick how quickly the fans on here turn on players over preseason games..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell People Sarcasm is killing me :(
If we were bandwagon fans we sure the hell wouldn’t be hanging around a Stinkin Chiefs site
plus
I think Croyle has like 1 total game of reps to hang his hat on vs Thigpen.
and If someone could read my mind you would know how I really feel!!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not as a chiefs fan...
towards players. Obviously people love their team…but come on. Why do we keep jumping from QB to QB with our love/hate?
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
lol
so true. I lol’d so hard when i read that. Someone else accused a lot of people of being bandwagon earlier. Such a retarded concept to think people will jump on the 4-12 KC Chiefs Warwagon.
he was injured. injured bad.
Maybe it has something to do with Thigpen being a bad QB
For all the praise people heap on Thigpen, he has only won 1 game in his career and choked on several opportunities at the end of games.
The guys a scrapper, but he is not a professional quarterback in the NFL. I promise you Haley’s not going to throw away his entire offensive scheme to run some gimmick POS like they did last year just to accomodate Thigpen.
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Just so you know
Croyle has only played in 2 less games than Thigpen and hasn’t won any games. And Thigpen has out scored Croyle almost 4-1 in TD’s
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow thats so impressive
I’m glad Tyler Thigpen is doing so well for your fantasy football team, but I honestly don’t give a crap about that.
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No need to get pissy
I don’t care who starts, it was very unlikely we would win week 1 anyway.
I just hope Cassel isn’t out too long, because I don’t want any of the to be the starter because none of them are good enough to start for long.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you should give a crap that he's thrown
a heck of a lot more td’s than croyle because it shows that our offense is more proficient with him in the game.
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
lets bring back the arrowspread i liked seeing touchdowns. I don’t know why it is so frowned upon here. every team practices and plans for a pro style offense every week and there is lots of overlap. scout teams would have to completely change for us, thats why we came out and blasted teams in 1st half but there were just not enough adjustments made at half.
That's kind of a simplistic argument, don't you think?
I mean, didn’t you just post a massive post (tinged with bitterness over the firing of Herm Edwards, which was righteous, glorious, and wonderful, I might add) about how the talent isn’t on this team? To reduce it to wins and losses considering the amount of talent we have, that is, very freaking little is not a really solid argument.
He’s not the starter, but he’s played well in games. He’s not THE guy, but he’s a damn shade better than our other options.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Whats up Matt?
I’ve got no problem with Thigpen the 3rd string backup.
My problem is with the Tyler Thigpen the fantasty football mega-star that choked at the end of games.
My problem with Thigpen is the same problem I had with him last year. A QB that would rather run than pass and when he did pass, he was very low accuracy, usually just threw the ball up for the Hall of Fame tight end that could pluck passes out of triple coverage that we don’t have anymore.
Yes there is a lack of talent on this roster. Thigpen is one of them.
We’ve seen what Thigpen looks like in a conventional NFL offense thats not a last ditch monstrocity of a gimmick by a desperate head coach, and its not pretty at all. The preseason game against the Seahawks he looked exactly like he did against the Falcons last year.
I’d still like to see him kept on the roster as a 3rd stringer and used in the wildcat on occassion. But I just don’t think Haley is going to want to keep a guy that he has to ditch his entire offensive scheme just to make look like a decent player.
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And Troy Aikman was 1-15 in his first season as a starter.
What’s your point?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Troy Aikman was a #1 draft pick and had the size, talent, and pedigree to be an NFL starter.
Thigpen has none of those.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 30, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell people to quit bringing up Croyle's W/L record as well then please
and kindly point them to both a playbook and a filmroom
he was injured. injured bad.
word I'm sick of hearing
Prostyle
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I agree Zodeman
I think it will be Brodie, Guttierez and then Thigpen.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I get it!
It’s a trick. They’re going to say that Thiggy is the starter so Baltimore prepares for his hilarious antics and than let Brodie play at the last minute. (hopeful)
I could see starting Thigpen,
then yanking him late (for whatever big boo-boo he commits) and put Croyle in there to stand and throw darts in the extra WR set, after Thiggie’s run the legs off the d-line.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I want to see Gutz, but if our line is really
as bad as they have looked so far, Thigpen at least can run for his life.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
Do you think next weeks game will decide?
I have total trust in Haley but do you think its still up in the air about the starter in week one?
Yes I do
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 30, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
nobody knows the mind of Haley
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
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by ratherfantastic on Aug 30, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
SOB
i just bought a Cassel jersey last week
Before you build yourself up, you must tear somebody else down.
that's no wasted money
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Got One A Couple Months Ago..
but it’s still good, bro. He’ll be back week 2 or 3 at the latest. When he does, I’m sure he’ll slide right in,,
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 30, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
National Yahoos (pun intended)
don’t normally give the Chiefs a second thought. He only thinks Thigpen will take over because he came in after Cassel last night. I would put my money on Croyle, assuming he isn’t injured by week one.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
That's twisted, porkchop,
but that wouldn’t surprise me a BIT. And we on AP just taking it and running with it, arguing left and right, because we place more faith in toss-off remarks by guys who don’t know squat about the Chiefs.
But I’m still standing by my preference for Thigpen until the O-Line can protect the QB consistently. I’d have more faith in Cassel surviving a game with a sprained knee than in Croyle surviving a game behind that line.
I really LIKE having a kid with an arm like Croyle’s on the roster. If the team starts to solidify as the season progresses, and the Chiefs march (or sneak) into the playoffs, that arm of his could pay dividends. I’m not eager to throw it all away, before the O-Line solidifies. Knee sprain notwithstanding, Cassel and Thigpen are the pair of KC QBs who can survive and even prosper on the run. I just don’t want to see Croyle put in that position.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I disagree with your thinking on Croyle
Put him out there and let him play. He is obviously talented and that is what we need. If he is not durable enough then it is time to be done with him. Use the best tool until it breaks. Then get a different tool.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
I thought I was the tool
oh I’m broke, nevermind (SNL)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
For real who cares if he gets hurt(didnt mean it to sound that bad but you know what I mean) because then we know he’s done. If he doesnt get hurt then we have a pretty nice #2 guy. He’s around anyway might as well use it til it breaks.
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by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
Just because Croyle has had injury problems dosn’t mean he’s Trent Green mobility wise. When Croyle was poised to take over for Green/Huard there was talk about how we’d be able to do more bootlegs, etc. because of Croyle’s athleticism and mobility. Now, I have no dillusions that he can run like Thigpen, and his rehabbed knee may (or may not) have slowed him down. I just think he deserves a shot.
The Good: Hiring Pioli and Haley, Drafting Tyson Jackson
The Bad: The Offensive Line Play
The Ugly: Thigpen Trying to Play QB
Absolutely
Even when Croyle was healthy for a stint in 07 people were scratching their heads at the lack of plays utilizing Croyle’s mobility.
he was injured. injured bad.
Croyle
never got to run plays showcasing ANY of his ability…i don’t believe Herm let him throw more than an handfull of passes over 10 yards.
But wouldn't
Haley’s system cater completely to his strengths? And if so, why hasn’t he won the #2 job outright? And why is it he has no TDs in preseason?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i seem to remember
a lot of dropped passes…..all of them right on the money…also a drive killing fumble in the red zone
and don’t kid yourself he won the #2 spot long ago
if he is so good why isn't he the starter than?
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just saying
because you are taling like Croyle is a football god, (all of his passes were on the money it was the WR’s fault)
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 30, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet
from the reports we’re reading, he hasn’t, and Thigpen’s going to get the job.
But maybe Haley’s nuts going with the guy that doesn’t break in the wind.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
because our #1 just went down and we have ALL the leverage now.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
how much do you know about the guys over at Yahoo!?
serious question.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What's that based on?
Because I know a lot of the guys over at Yahoo and they’re pretty on target. That’s a well-run news crew over there.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Week 1 starter QB needs picked ASAP
I don’t care which of the 3 it is, but I think the decision cannot wait until after Thursday night. The team has 2 weeks to get whomever the QB will be in synch with the number 1 offense. We can’t waste 4 days of prep with a B/U QB controversy. I hope Coach comes out tomorrow afternoon and names the week 1 guy.
won't happen
even if Cassel wasn’y injured :(
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley can leave us hanging, if he wants.
OTOH, he HAS been saying who’d start before game day. I think Rrustydawg’s hopes might come to be fact.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
what is OTAH?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
it doesnt matter
chiefs may set a record for most Quaterbacks started/injured in a season if we dont fix the line
Oh Man
I am hopeful and all but I feel like this season is going to be really long.
"When I first got here," said Missouri coach Mike Anderson, "it was 20 minutes of hell and 20 minutes of what the hell are you doing?"
by tigers and chiefs fan on Aug 30, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
Thursday will decide the starters
Who wants to bet Croyle takes the first snap? I believe that Thigpen will play second half and then they will weight the two performances. Croyle gets the nod bet on that. Especially when most people think he had the best camp. He deserves it. Lets hope he doesnt fall apart!!
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We've already given Croyle 1000 chances..Sorry but his time has ran its course
Devard Darling and Brodie Croyle must be incredible practice players and must do a great job because they get a lot of support here..I mean hell, what has brodie croyle ever done in a regular season game that deserves respect?
I’d bet a lot of money that Thigpen is our starter
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
did you watch KC consistently when Croyle started?
He looked like a back up quarterback. Thigpen looked like a guy who depended on one of the greatest TEs of all time in a spread offense and couldn’t operate in an offense similar to the one we’re running this year.
And guess what. Thats exactly what each of them were.
he was injured. injured bad.
He held his own against Peyton Manning 2 years ago...
It’s first and foremost a durability question with Croyle. He’s unquestionably got talent. They were running the patented “you play to win the game by a field goal” Herm prevent offense. That said, seeing him go down in the first half of the first game might be too much for any team.
Thigpen needs the cocobananas offense to be effective. He flat out can’t make all the throws to sit back and throw a winner. That said cocobanas puts up a lot of points, maybe with a little defense we could get a win that way.
Croyle didn’t play last week and Thigpen looks distracted lately. Go with the hot hand, if they don’t think Croyle can hold up he shouldn’t be on the roster.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Aug 30, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He held his own because our defense played very well against INDY
He scored 1 touchdown that game..I believe we scored 10 points that game TOTAL..
Not impressive at all..
Plus croyle has always been the “hot hand” during the preseason..Regular season is completely different
Preseason = Darling…Regular Season = Mark Bradley
Some players emerge
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoring tons of points does not win the game
Again, all the points Thigpen put up and we were 1-14.
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Wait, so in order to win a game, the quarterback is supposed to do something besides throw passes which lead to touchdowns? Is he supposed to NOT manage the game horribly like last year’s coach or NOT badly develop the young talent or perhaps he’s supposed to play defense or control LJ’s mind so he’s not a complete headcase or block for himself.
Thigpen is not a quality starting quarterback in this league, but he’s a worthy backup that’s played well for us and produced what he’s supposed to.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Thigpen as a backup
In that he would do OK if he had to come in midway through a game to get by.
But if you’re talking about BECOMING the starter because your chosen #1 is going to be out several weeks, thats a different story.
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What does that comparison mean?
Croyle actually was pretty impressive in that game with a 99% QB rating. As we qualified, Herm’s offense at this point was exactly “high scoring” oriented (‘arena league scores’ anybody?).
Croyle definitely did NOT have the “hot hand” in preseason in 2007, hence the Damon Huard start and controversy.
Bradley disappeared at the end of last season? Nobody is “emerging” here in any way. We pretty know exactly what both players offer. Croyle is more physically talented but has demonstrated that he’s a serious to boderline unserviceable injury liability. Thigpen has shown durability and explosiveness in the spread offense but can’t throw a fade pass and has a bad underthrowing problem.
We wouldn’t be surprised to see them both in the game, but if Croyle looks sharp against St. Louis it makes sense to start him. If we’re keeping him and he can’t make it through a whole game against the Ravens, better to have him get knock out early and hit the waiver wires early in the season.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Aug 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
that also cracks me up
“Croyle always looks good preseason!”
Ummm…. no. He looked bad one preseason and thusly lost the starting job. Then he looked good one preseason and played accordingly in the few snaps he did get. IF he can stay healthy and the past is any indicator in regards to Croyle’s preseason to regular season progression, than Croyle should play well in the reg season. No more B2P2.
he was injured. injured bad.
And yet
the past’s indicator is that Croyle will slip and fall coming out of the tunnel and sprain his wrist.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree, although I respect that sentiment, OAPP.
I’ve had the same one. If the kid can play, put him on the field. It he can’t, let’s not waste any more time on him.
I just don’t want to see the kid thrown to the wolves, until the O-Line solidifies. And if it does, his accuracy and arm strength would catapult him above Thiggie, unless Thiggie starts to show some consistency. I think the Chiefs have more healthy, good QBs on the roster if they let Thigpen play in this next preseason game.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
The Brodie Croyle protection society lost the PARADE's membership last year
You’re thinking is impressively far-sighted, but on a visceral level we’re just fed up with the Croyle saga, and the playing in fear or to fight another day against the Ravens bothers us.
Also, we kinda question how much solidifying is gonna change anything.
Still, on a pragmatic level you’re probably right. Why burn through all our QBs at once.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Aug 30, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No way
Thigpen starts. No. Way. Blessing in disguise for Cassel (and Chiefs). Good luck, Croyle.
Is it too soon
to start thinking about who KC will choose as the #1 overall pick in the 2010 draft?
by KC Chiefs Fan in MN on Aug 30, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions
Really?
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We can't afford another top 5 pick...
Well considering we have more cap room than anyone in the league (and it might be an uncapped year) we can afford it. I just hate paying unproven player so damn much money. The fact that Jackson is the highest paid Chief ever doesn’t sit well with me.
We paid Jackson (and Dorsey) more money than Jarred Allen was asking for.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice comments
I will say that I was surprised that we picked so many defensive folks in the draft of 2009. Kept wondering about the OL. Our QB and LJ need good OL (not to mention a nice fullback).
Gonna be another tough year, I’m afraid
by KC Chiefs Fan in MN on Aug 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
no way man
2- 14 we will beat the raiders twice
Am I reading this wrong?
To me, Looney’s report seems to be saying Cole doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I do ? (question) Cole’s “source” as he also claims Thigpen will take over 4 cassel. I still believe there is plenty of competition 4 chiefs #2 QB
To me he is saying Cole saying Thigpen is the starter is not necessarily true because Croyle, not Guitterrez and most definately not Thigpen, is the more prepared to start.
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I think you're right DJ
Probably between Croyle and Thigpen.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly how I read it DJ
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
May Be A Good Thing...
and here’s my thoughts behind this. If he comes back in Week 3, that gives the front office time to bring in some more offensive line talent. If they do When they do, it’ll take some practice time and live action for them to gel and become a cohesive unit. If they can upgrade the line and give them plenty of practice time and a couple games to unite, then the situation improves for Cassel’s return.
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
Against Cowboys?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
4 weeks to heal and a week or two to get the rust off
plus Eagles and Giants week 3 and 4.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, not good no matter how you slice it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, Not Good...
Concur 70, it’s not good. My point was that it’s better to have our backup QB’s behind a weaker line than our starter. If we can improve our line and get them better prior to Cassel’s return, we’re better off in protecting the new commands #1 investment. And as far as getting the rust off, I’m sure he’ll be throwing the ball prior to gametime. I know there’s nothing more challenging than live action, but I’m trying to remain as positive as possible here…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont
see any injuries as a good thing…EVER….
I hate this, its just really a huge bummer…more than anything…just really really super bummed.
a big bummer
but the good side is that
our first game is against baltimore
This is just part of the process
We have to find out if we have depth behind the starters. This will let us know if Croyle is capable of staying on his feet and playing. It’s all just part of the process.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Cole doesn't know what he's talking about
He’s not following the chiefs and doesn’t know the QB situation. Brodie outplayed all the QB’s in camp, no way thigpen starts over him. Idk why the hell he would be the number 2, unless they’re trying to prove his value for jacksonville but that’d be dumb.
Will Cassel need knee braces or do those help with this type of injury?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Like Croyle has?
Maybe that’s part of the reason Brodie didn’t play last night.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Best case scenario
Croyle plays well and they can let Cassel rest as long as it takes.
I have no illusions that Croyle can stay healthy long enough to ever be a starter, but if he can do well enough that they don’t have to rush Cassel back, that would be ideal long term.
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Agree
That is what a 2nd does :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Has croyle ever produced 14 points in a game?
Why would we want this kid to be our starter again?
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I tore my MCL in high school....
and needed a brace when I returned. I would think Cassel would need one for at least a couple weeks when he returned.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Do they slow a player done or affect shifting left to right and such?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It made me just a tad less mobile...
Nothing too extreme, but behind this o-line we don’t need anything making our QB less mobile.
THAT’S MY QUARTERBACK!!
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Revised Chief 2009 Predictions
Chiefs go 5-11
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
where do they come up with five wins? Not that I disagree with 5-11, just can’t pinpoint the wins. I figure Denver and Oakland are good for 2, maybe 3….where else?
have you seen oakland
play ….and denver is a mess….we win 3/4 there, we will beat SD once. .2-3 wins randomly when our defense puts points on the board. Not looking good for more than 6 wins total i think
Come on...
We gotta steal one from one of the better teams. Maybe against Dallas or Philly we sneak one in. It can happen!
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Say its an injury that takes Cassel out of the first two games
What do we do if whoever comes in plays lights out against a defense like Baltimore’s? That would almost be worse than him sucking.
he was injured. injured bad.
Not
A QB that can play…..
Your right We can’t win even if we win :(
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The whole idea is to win. If another guy comes in and wins, why would that be a problem?
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We've got...
A bunch of drama queens around here. First the sky is falling and now they’re worried that we might WIN with our backups!
What happens is we run away and be glad we won. Then get Cassel back and carry on.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Except for the drama queens that wan't soandso to be the QB of the future
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember Gannon/Grbac
etc
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if
Gannon and Grbac were playing, we might talk. But neither one is.
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So Thigpen plays well against Baltimore and gets a WIn
beats Oakland.
In KC we have a problem
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
No we won't
Because I would be surprised if Thigpen was even on the team when we play Baltimore, much less starting.
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replace Thigpen with Croyle
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't say that
the QB that fills in successfully
Hell I was agreeing with you in the 1st place.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought you were saying
“i would be surprised if croyle was even on the team when we paly baltimore, much less starting”
he was injured. injured bad.
No actually I would be suprised if Thigpen on the team
but if we had to keep Thigpen and Croyle and one of them fills in with 2 wins while Cassel has to rehab then The fanbase is going to be split AGAIN.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that Pioli gives a crap about the fanbase being split.
The fanbase can have a million man march, it doesnt matter. Cassel is the guy and whoever they keep around despite who plays what and who does what will be the guy they want. Too much speculation going on.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Still don't see the problem
The circumstances of Grbac and Gannon are unlikely to be repeating themselves.
Grbac was unpopular among fans because of off the field comments he had made. Then when he was injured, Gannon came in and did a great job. Grbac was brought back in right before the playoffs and stunk.
Its unlikely Cassel will be out that long in the first place, he doesn’t carry the baggage with the fans that Grbac did and its also unlikely that whoever replaces him will be as good a QB as Gannon actually was.
What COULD happen is a QB controversy if the backup plays well and when Cassel is healthy they put him in and he plays poorly. But considering the Chiefs record the last two years, I suspect that if they are winning with the backup, they will stick with him until things go down hill.
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Thigpen is a fan favorite ala Gannon
without the actual production
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Pioli doesn't care what the fans think
Its like a couple years ago when this came up about Huard replacing Green. During a broadcast when Rich Gannon was one of the play by play guys, he was asked if he thought Huard playing well would cause a big controvery like Grbac and Gannon.
Gannon said: “Trent Green is no Grbac and Huard is no Gannon”.
Thats exactly this case. Cassel is not despised as Grbac was and was a superior QB and Thigpen most certainly is not a Gannon no matter how much people want to say he is.
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look at the site it is 50/50 Thigpen/Croyle
and Now Cassel is on the bench
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i understand
im saying that either of those guys or Gut playing lights out against Baltimore would be problematic.
he was injured. injured bad.
None of our QB's are as good as Cassel
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 30, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed but if someone won 2 games on a team that won 2 games
would you want to put Cassel back in?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes you would because he's your QB
And the rest of the clowns that you guys are fighting about are backups. He hasnt missed any games so why are people even talking about it?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I see no problem...
with stealing 2 wins and then getting our starting QB back.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Aren't you somewhere overseas?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know the Broncos score vs Chicago
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the Broncos lost!! like 27-17 i believe.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Let's not rule out Cassel starting in Baltimore
IF it’s a grade two sprain, its 2-4 weeks and who knows.. maybe he’s a quick healer. However given the state of our O-line, I’d almost rather put in Croyle or Gutz or Thigpen against that Ravens D on the road.
On a personal note, if Cassel doesn’t start, this would suck since I’m going to Baltimore for the game.
i'm cant believe noone else thought what i did
this is what can happen when you give a huge ass contract to a qb who has only played one good season. he can be a bust or get hurt and put us back to go.
It's
ONE GAME. At most…TWO. That’s not an entire season.
Besides, not like the Chiefs were gonna go 14-2 with him and now this costs us homefield. If anything we finish 6-10 now instead of 7-9.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
but why didnt we wait til later in the season?
unless there is a deadline in which contract extensions cant be made? is there?
The best I can assume
Is that they dont want to be talking contracts during the season. These guys gotta focus on football, not contracts. Should not be dealing with off the field/contract issues during the season.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
view the contracts given
To Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers and by midseason we would have had to pay that to Cassel. We got a steal of a deal even though it is a lot more money than any of us are likely to see.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
No one has the info on this and the guy from Yahoo Sports gets it first?
Unlikely. I don’t think this is credible just a guess because it was clearly a sprain not a tear. I couldve guessed 2-4 weeks too if it were a spain because if its a grade one it will be two weeks and if its a grade two it will be up to four weeks.
I like the erroneous addition of “It will require no surgery”. Really? A sprain wont require surgery? I’ve had my share of knee injuries and Matt popped up immediately and couldve hobbled off on it own. It isnt serious and the report at the game was he was likely going to be out next week but be ready for the start of the season and I would think thats more accurate.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
MCL SPRAINS AND CASSEL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmX7wPoLh4
yes, mechanism of injury appears consistent to one that would cause an MCL sprain or worse. Left leg was held by Seahawks’ Brandon Mebane while Casel fell on his right side causing a ‘valgus’ stress to his left knee. Left inside of knee (medial side) can forcefully be stressed with lower leg (tibia) and upper leg (femur) moving in opposite directions, tearing the MCL. The medial meniscus lies directly attached and beneath the MCL and can tear also. If the sprain (torn ligament) is severe, the femur and tibia can hit into each other causing a painful bone bruise, which can take several weeks to heal. With an isolated grade 1 MCL sprain, a player may come back in a couple of weeks with a hinged knee brace with some difficulty and pain on cutting and pivoting. Platelet rich plasma therapy has been touted anecdotally in the news (but no science yet) to rapidly aid in healing and return to play.
NOTE: A strain is a torn muscle; a sprain is a torn ligament.
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by NJSPORTSMED on Aug 30, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent promotional comment sir
Nice effort.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You started this rant so don't go pawning it off :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
and welcome to AP NJsportsmed
You might be very important around here at the MASH unit KC is starting up :(
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Thigpen NEEDED.
Has anyone begun to realize the Chiefs just are not equipped to run a conventional prostyle offense or what. How many times have are quarterbacks been sacked give me a break this is preseason. What do you think is going to happen when we play defenses like Baltimore,Giants,philly and Washingtons pretty good too. The Chiefs just cannot succeed in anything more than getting Cassell killed if they try it. The only hope they have on offense is to run somthing uncoventional(like last year) that defenses dont see each week(like miami). Whenever Haley and Co. quit drinking the kool aid they are going to need Thigpen.
Maybe but that ain't what this team rebiuld is about
They and we want a PRO team with pro players
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
+1000000
This team cant run a conventional offense you’re dead on right. The solution to that isnt by getting and using more players that cant run it. If we have to suffer through another horrid season with 27 different lineman coming through the team just to get it right then thats what needs to get done.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The solution
Is not to use an unconventional QB. Gimmicks almost never work.
The solution is to fix the damn offensive line.
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Thigpen is the only thing that makes sense
We need to run the spread..We don’t have a choice..Our line is terrible..
Bring on the thigpen! I’m stoked
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 30, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions
Wrong
If the line is terrible to the point where we need to use the spread then the line needs to be fixed now not bandaided for another season so we can repeat this next year.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
if i have to suffer through another season of thigpen i’m gonna be pissed. I think i have more gray hair after last season than anything. Even when he did something cool he usually found a way to screw something up. His negatives outweigh the positives.
why is the spread so bad again?
someone just clarify that for me because it seemed to work pretty well. we ate up tons of clock and put points up on the board
and our horrid D was even more horrific with no time to rest
ala the MU Tigers D
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
please from now on
if you put 2-14 include (with the worst defense in league history) behind it. because that is what we had. 9 sacks.
That doesn't matter
A QBs job is to win games.
Most of last years games Thigpen had the ball in his hand at the end and flubbed it. That’s the problem.
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10 sacks
10 sacks and yes im aware of the shit defence. (Detroit had something like 32 sacks and 0 wins so sacks doesn’t really add up to wins.) Sorry to beat this horse anymore but we don’t have All World TE Tony Gonzales anymore.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha indeed....
I thought we were originally talking about why the spread offence won’t work this year.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
2-14 and now team in the history of the game has won a superbowl with a system like we ran last year.
Spread is for college and Tim Tebow.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sprain is not the same as strain
You used the terms interchangeably in the article, but the reports say a strain.
Strain typically means that a ligament was just over-stretched.
Sprain typically means that a ligament had some degree of a tear.
As you might expect, a strain typically heals much faster than any degree of sprain.
Ive always thought as strain and sprain as more or a stretch more than a tear....
Then again I droped out of college for a reason.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone know how many
of thigpens TD’s were to TG? because he doesn’t have that crutch this year to make him look better than he is
We may be trying to rebuild
but the most important thing these players need is not to install a pro style offense but to win some games and feel confident in themselves. Do you think Bill Parcells and Co. went into training camp in 2008 planning to run the wildcat. They suffered injuries to an already bad offensive line. The wildcat was installed to keep them in games and give their young team a chance to win. The Chiefs and Chan Gailey are already coming up with somthing if they have any sense.
If these players need a win to "feel good" about themselves...
Then they arent suited for the NFL and we need new players.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The definition of rebuilding
Is to install new systems that you want to run and find players who can run it. Not give up and panic because 2 of our 5 offensive lineman are about as useful as a used kleenex and run a schoolyard run around and throw to whoever might be open offense.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Id bet the shirt off my back he'll be playing that game.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The only reason I can imagine him not even playing in the Ravens game
Is if he is a little bit iffy and the staff doesnt want to risk him against that D but for the home opener they will be doing everything they can to have their 60 million dollar QB on the field.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
god i hope so i was so pumped for that game and if he misses itll feel like a lackluster game …cause im so tired of seeing that clown thigpen!!
i bet he'll play the Oak game
no way he will blay against the ravens, if he is even the slightest bit sore, Haley will keep him out…
Does anyone remeber.....
……what they said about Brodie croyle last season. He looked pretty good in preseason then too. Now eveyrone thinks this guy has suddenly become superman. He’s had the same problem his whole career(this is why he fell to the 3rd round) thats not going to change behind a worse offensive line
Thigpen.......
…had three games with qb ratings near100 or better,miami,tampa and SD ALSO 3 OF THE LEAGUES BETTER DEFENSES BRODIE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING
then get your superman stats/performance
And when he goes down he goes down and we can cut/trade him.
I really dont understand the mentality of keeping the guy if we simply do not beleive he can play any football ever at all. His injury history in college was mostly and ACL tear, which was a freak accident. The man played in the everloving SEC with one of the worst offensive lines in the conference for God’s sakes, he can take a hit, but as Matt Cassel, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen have all shown us in addition to Croyle, when you play QB for the KC Chief’s o-line, you are going to get hurt. Maybe badly, maybe not, but you will get hurt. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Aug 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The fist injury........
Brodie had as a pro was a shoulder stinger most pros play with Brodie missed 3weeks HE IS A PUSS.
See, here's the problem
You dont research before you post. Croyle played almost the entire 2003 season with an injured shoulder.
he was injured. injured bad.
Where was that, again?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Youre right
a guy who plays an entire d1 SEC college football season and sets numerous single season records at one of hte most storied teams in football history with an injured shoulder is a puss.
Good call.
he was injured. injured bad.
My point is simply
that college isn’t the NFL and that gap is pretty wide. That fact is reinforced by Brodie’s unfortunate struggles in the NFL.
You are VERY high on this young man, which is neat. I just dig Thigpen. They’re both #2s. We’ll have the #1 back soon. Hopefully. Maybe. If we’re not completely doomed.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
to be completely honest
I don’t trust ANY of the QB’s besides Cassel enough to start more than 2 games for us…hell even Cassel is pissing me off at this point…..but then again, even i could get a QB sack playing against our OL
Another reason to play Thigpen.
Thigpen should play because his supporters think he’s actually produced points and he has good chemistry with the team. His criitcs should want him to play because our offensive line will get him killed and they can yell about how he sucks because he can’t throw on the run across his body. Everyone wins!
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
i could argue the same for brodie
his critics should want him to play because apparently he will get hurt in the first play and they will get their wet dream Thiggy out there to waste away another season…I don’t want any of these guys to play to be honest, but i totally don’t want to see thiggy’s goofy ass running around looking like he forgot which way is up
I dont wan tthe kid
to have any more pain. Seriously. I’m worried he’s going to get hit and just explode to dust.
And Thipgen won’t waste another season. That season was wasted and there was nothign Thigpen could have done to save it. He could have played like a starter and we still would have lost. Because our team sucks.
I’ll say this. IF Brodie gets the job, I honestly hope he does well. I feel bad about his injury history and his deep ball is obviously the best on the club. If he can handle pressure that would be great.
Then again, if I were him at this point I would immediately throw it to KC Wolf every play to protect myself.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Thigpen has to be the guy becuase....
………..of his age. Brodie is as good as hes going to be. There has been alot said about Vick deserving a 2nd chance. He never had the stats Thigpen had in any 10 games in his life. So why doesnt he deserve a chance.
See, I'm on your side
and even I can’t get over how many ways that argument is invalid.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I think people put a bit too much on his injuries
he got BLASTED on an illigal hit and got up just fine a few weeks ago…he got hit several times and played with blood pouring from his throwing hand…Not saying he is superman all of a sudden but give the guy a chance…at least with the injury talk…he worked his ass off to rehab and get back and he is looking pretty good…..Thigpen played well for us last year at times and I do like the guy’s heart but i can’t take watching him play anymore.
I just hope Cassel is back by week 2
But this would be, what
his third time ending up on IR if he got hurt? He’s got a history, there’s no doubt. And as much as troy is lauding his playing for an underwhelming Alabama team with a busted shoulder, he still HAD The busted shoulder.
There guys I like but I can’t deny they don’t have injury problems just because they’re nice guys.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
underwhelming
10 games in to the season Alabama was no 3 in the country. Then his oline completely lost its’ shiznit.
he was injured. injured bad.
They dont hit
in pre season like they are going to hit him in a couple of weeks. Thats why some qbs look great in pre season but suck in regular season. Some like thiggy are the exact opposite they dont play well unless the adrenaline is flowing. Jim Kelly was quoted as saying he was never really in to it until he got hit. some guys like brodie just pee.
Correction
Thigpen isn’t even a number two in college. Proof being that Jax went out and got a back up college quarterback who played behind a true freshman instead of bringing in Thigpen.
he was injured. injured bad.
Yeah but now we're throwing in clauses and what not
the point simply being that the situation really isn’t that simple.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
stubborn
I simply refuse to believe that everyone overlooked this guy(Casselll) for 7 rounds becuase he was awesome. The guy has an average arm and one very fatal flaw. He holds onto the ball to long. Look at the replay of the sack it was to late buy the time he realized the protection had failed. What do you think is going to happen when teams blind side blitz and the its not picked up. Thigpen picks these blitzes up so does brodie Cassell has very poor pocket awareness.
All this QB talk sorta makes me wanna puke a little
I’m not sure sure we really have it all that good. Our #1a guy goes down so now we have to take a hard look at what we have.
Croyle looks good on paper, but he’s paper thin. Can’t seem to step up into that leadership role or stay healthy.
Thigpen, forced the team to change its offensive strategy and still only won 2 games. He has no pocket presence and no throwing accuracy.
Gutierrez looked like the Patriot’s #2 in last years preseason. We really have no idea why he got bumped to #3 behind Cassel and then was released this year. No matter how you look at it, it doesn’t look good. Makes you wonder if we’re missing something. He’s looked pretty good in the limited amount of action we’ve given him. Could this guy end up being our starter for the season opener? Yikes!
Oh, let’s not forget the bumbling O-line and poor TE blocking.
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Tyler also
showed improvement, is still young, is durable, and now has a coach who won’t coach him into a ditch. I like his upside.
I like increasing Croyle’s insurance premiums.
Again, not a starter, but can fill in for Cassell, especially since we’re going to get creamed early on in the schedule anyway.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
My preference would be
Cassel #1 but that’s not looking good at least for week one. Then some iteration of Thigpen and Gutierrez. In what order, I don’t know that I have a preference. They both scare me.
I really don’t like the thought of another year with Croyle in the mix. He scares me the most. When he was in last year he was terrible.
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Gutierrez problem may be his decision making skills.
I don’t know yet, I haven’t decided : )
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by oldchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
all i'm gonna say is this
Croyle is a better QB for our offense. Everyone bitching about him being injury prone should just let him play and then be happy if he gets hurt and Tyler comes in. Either way it will only hopefully be 2 games. Either Croyle stepps in, plays good, shows toughness…or he gets hurt, Thigpen comes in, and we replay last year for a game or 2.
Is there any reason
to believe this Yahoo report? I don’t think Pioli and Haley would let the real info out, at least not to someone at Yahoo Sports. I’ll believe it when I hear Haley say it.
i'm not sure
I’m almost positive its just speculation about the starter for next week…..however, it seem like a pretty fair assessment of the injury. Although it could just be a worse case scenario…which I hope it is.I too am waiting for work straight from KC.
Seriously. Yahoo. Not a bunch of whackjobs.
I won’t get into why or how, I’m just going to point out that in the professional circles, Yahoo’s got some nice cred. Much more so than other sites. This isn’t PFT, here.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Did the Governors Cup game start already?
I almost thought this thread was the first quarter open thread to the game with as many comments that are in here. I was going to challenge Patrick Allen’s no.1 spot. So I’m disappointed. I coulda been a contender, I coulda been a champion.
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First of all...
I agree with some of the others in that we don’t know how accurate this report is just yet. This may just be speculation, so we don’t know anything for sure.
If they do sit Cassel for Baltimore they will not start Thigpen. Not after after that joke of a performance last night. You could see the disgust on Haley’s face after Thiggy’s repeated mistakes. I remember one play in particular where Thigpen botched a screen pass badly. Haley had the exact same reaction as I did. There was another where he had a receiver wide open and he couldn’t hit him even though he had run towards the sideline and had no pressure on him at all.
Bottom line, Haley isn’t going to throw the playbook out the window for Thigpen like they did last year. If the kid can’t cut it in their system then he’s of no use to us. I think he’s proved without a doubt that he’s just worthless without the Arrowspread, and even then he’s still inconsistent. Plus now he doesn’t have his TG blankie.
If needed, I believe Croyle starts at Baltimore. He’s actually able to run the offense, while Thigpen can’t even come close. If he goes down (which is a real possibility) then maybe we can finally close the Brokie book for good after the season is over.
If that does happen, I’ll take G-man over Thigpen any day. You could notice a real difference (actually resembling a real NFL offense) when he finally replaced Thiggy on Saturday. I really can’t see Thigpen making the 53. I think he’s gone, either by trade or cut.
I think I figured it out.
You guys must have read that report where Thigpen spiked the ball in the redzone out of frustration and cost us fifteen yards late in a game, then went out and got hammered at a club and spit in a woman’s face and pushed her down, then spouted off about wanting a trade.
Oh, wait, that was LJ.
Seriously, Pollard gets to completely whiff on pass coverage every single play and Mayes can’t read the screen any better than I can read Farsi and yet Thigpen is the suckiest suck of the suck? What am I missing here?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 31, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I just think that Thigpen showed his true colors
Yes, he did have some significant success last year and made the games almost watchable for us. I was a fan of his too. But I think he proved that he can’t run an offense that’s not tailored specifically for him. He was just beyond awful.
I’m not a fan of Croyle either, but it seems that he’s clearly the better option if they don’t go to the Arrowspread.
Someone might have already said this BUT
I think Thigpen is the better start in Week 1 obviously because we are going to need a mobile QB to get out the pocket . The threat of Thigpen running is enough to give him the nod week 1. He can make plays with his feet- nuff said. Being a WR, once you see the QB rush out of hte pocket you are supposed to move towards your QB’s zone. Broken routes may turn into touchdowns if we get lucky…and we are going to have to be VERY lucky, but hey, I can see Bowe running through Fabian Washington and Samari Rolle no problem. Just gotta watch out for Eddddddd.
I'm surprised you guys don't like the G Man...
… more than you seem to, as a group.
The one knock everyone around here seems to have on Cassell is that he takes the sack (i.e. holds on to the ball too long).
Well, the G Man is just like Cassell except for that one difference. He doesn’t take the sack. What you are looking at is a Cassell clone who doesn’t hold onto the ball.
That explains that first INT that was going to Lelie. Gutierrez has made that throw a 1000 times, just like Cassell, and is confident he can put the ball where only Lelie can get it, but Lelie never actually turned around and looked for it.
With G Man, this coaching staff is going to have to actually get him to eat the ball more than he has a tendency to do and be more conservative, because when the Pats coaches told Cassell last year to eat the ball and not turn over the ball at all costs, Cassell was able to comply, that’s why they stuck with him.
the G man
has only thrown 1 pass in a real NFL game

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