Seahawks Drop the Chiefs as KC Offense Sputters
by Chris Thorman on Aug 29, 2009 10:01 PM CDT
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PrintChiefs lose, 14 to 10.
We'll probably remember tonight's Chiefs/Seahawks game as the night QB Tyler Thigpen lost his roster spot. Thigpen looked inept, going 8/15 for 56 yards in first half and second half relief of Matt Cassel.
Matt Gutierrez sealed Thigpen's fate when he came in during the third quarter. Gutierrez ended up passing 10/13 for 113 yards. He did throw two interceptions while under pressure.
Speaking of pressure, tonight was another example of how unstable this Chiefs' offensive line is. The Chiefs gave up four sacks to the Seahawks.
Joel will have a more detailed post later tonight or tomorrow. The good, the bad and the ugly are after the jump.
The Good
- Matt Cassel's injury will reportedly will not keep him out of next week's game.
- Jamaal Charles rushed seven times for 54 yards, with a great 31-yard run.
- Matt Gutierrez looked sharp as the Chiefs' backup
- Dwayne Bowe made some great plays in limited action (again)
The Bad
- The Chiefs had three fumbles, all recovered by themselves.
- Seahawks QBs Matt Hasselback and Seneca Wallace picked apart the Chiefs linebackers and secondary for nearly 300 yards passing.
- This offensive line has major problems. Matt Cassel honestly may not make it that far in the season if they don't shape up.
The Ugly
- Tyler Thigpen looked like the Thigpen we saw in his first couple of games. Erratic, quick to run and inaccurate.
- The Chiefs were 1/10 on 3rd down conversions. That's atrocious.
- Not having competition for Ryan Succop may have had negative effects. We thought Succop was a lock to be the steady kicker we've needed but he missed two field goals tonight, one from only 28-yards out.
- Matt Cassel (leg), Brandon Flowers (shoulder) and Devard Darling (knee) all left the game with injuries.
Chime in with your thoughts on the Chiefs' performance tonight. Make sure you vote in the poll too.
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X-Rays negative.
Doesn’t mean much. Need an MRI to see extent of soft tissue damage.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If I were Cassel....
I would be “injured” for the Ravens game. No reason to risk your life for a game
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs game on NFLN, now.
It’ll be hard to watch.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I had to watch teh Seahawks version on the internet
atleast i can watch it on the chiefs television network now … jesus if i had to see one more interview on teh sideline with these seattle players i was going to put a desert eagle to my fucking head
Charles is going to have to go a few games
without putting the ball on the ground for me to really feel comfortable with him.
Agreed Big Chief
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 29, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
even the play he made on special teams though
the kid is playing football – he didnt fumble today, which is nothing but a good thing.
he didnt fumble is not a good thing its an EXPECTED thing. improvemnet is good but i dont think not fumbling one game is much of an improvement. Much more is needed.
besides teh fumbling
the guy made some plays on the ground and special teams…he didnt fumble, i reallty dont care what you say – its a good thing and of course its expected – but its good that he had one game coming off of two where he did fumble. ok?
Also Agreed
I like him, but he can’t fumble like he has been. If he can’t hold onto the ball he’s never going to be anything more than a situational back (and not even that for long).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I just threw up a little
20 runs in a game you only lost by 4.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Is Charles challenging for the starting spot?
sd atl game good one…
sd 24 atl 20…atl has the ball on like the 5 and its 4th and goal….20 sec left
Nah
He still fumbles too much.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
If it was a battle for the starting job LJ would be seeing more carries.
by KCSatchmo on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
7 or 8 I think
Which gives him like 15 for the 3 games. That reads more like resting your starter than evaluating your contender.
by KCSatchmo on Aug 29, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
oh ok
well hope LJ lights that fire on Baltimore
by Wrestler189s on Aug 29, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not too worried
He always was the type of back who got better as the game wears on. (And carries add up)
by KCSatchmo on Aug 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
But it would be nice to have a Priest/Larry type backfield. The big guy to wear em out and the fast guy to take advantage of it. Just gotta put stick-em on his hands and he’ll be ok.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
dwayne bowe
was a very good thing for us – catchiing everything thrown to him, along with ashley lelie- who will def make the final 53
our starters on both sides of the ball
did not play nearly as long as there. Just sayin
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
For fear of further injury I'd imagine
We did lose 3, afterall…
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Aug 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that should help us in the AFC West standings..
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
-1
This just lacks subtly. :)
I think my biggest disappointment was blown coverage defensively.
I wasn’t surprised by Thigpen’s ineptitude.
LJ, Bowe and Hali looked good.
I really hope Flowers’s injury is not serious.
Rectal Froth
So.....
Bowe, Lelie, and Charles on offense…
Flowers on D
That is what we had that was good?
If we had 4 stud D players
The other 7 must have really blew chunks
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Lelie was against scrubs, too
so I would temper the praise.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but he wasn't dropping balls and looked like he was running crisp routes
His head was on straight and he was focusing.
Wow
Playing good is just being able to run a route and not drop the ball? I thought he was a deep threat….
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Roll call post for tonight is up
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Imma be on the top of that list next time....
lol prob not but hey…im “rebuilding”
by Wrestler189s on Aug 29, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you Patrick!
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah the Faiders got beat like a stepchild today to
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
Did anyone else notice that Devard Darling
Sucks out loud? That dude couldn’t catch a cold! But a positive thing is the play of Corey Mays. I think he looks like the real deal at linebacker.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
by royaldaddy on Aug 29, 2009 10:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
why the hell
is devard darling still even running with the first team? id rather have rodney wright on this team rather than devard darling, the guy plays like a statue. has not adaptation to the ball and his surroundings…3 of our recievers played very well tonight. Bowe, Lawrence, Lelie.
Just saw how Cassel got hurt.
Doesn’t look that bad.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I was there
It didn’t look bad at all, he lined up for another play but then called time out and walked off the field on his own power.
If anything, I'd be concerned about his foot, the way it looked, but we'll see.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Well it was a massive fail on there part.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's Good Ol' JR when you need him...
Dammit… it was a damn setup! My God My God!!!
Anyone listening to 101 the Fox
Like 20 minutes of ads…
Yeah
All I got over here. I am hoping something happens before I got to shower to go to work
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And if I hear
One more tiffiney greens golf course ads I am going to puke
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley interview coming up on local news here shortly
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
does anyone else
actually feel halfway decent about our WRs? Lawrence looks good, so does lelie, and bowe looks like he’s taking to heart the lessons from Haley. He’s not pulling a B Marsh. Toomer I think will show up more during the season. Granted its kind of a hodge podge, but its not as bleak as I think we first thought.
I don’t know where we are going to get some lineman, but I really feel like with the picks that we have next year (2 #2’s anyone? The tony trade I know is going to look REALLY good come next spring) we could really have a solid o-line for 2010. We could go OL, LB, OL, and be pretty solid.
Anyone else think the same?
Solid O-Line????
Are you smoking something?
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
NEXT year...
this year it is going to be terrible…. that’s what I was saying.
Will need 4 positiions on the line
Dont have much hope for solid line until I am collecting social security (i am 30)
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Haley can sign on in FA
and he’ll draft two early.
and I think we’ll find one before the end of the season who can start next year
Disagree
Waters and Albert are solid. I think we’ll be OK at center and I have hopes for guard. Concern is still right tackle and depth.
It took
30 seconds to run 28 yards? Or are you talking about the duration of our lead?
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It is hard
Normally I am the optimistic one…..
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i know
its pre-season … you have to take the plays these guys make for what its worth…thats the best play our defense has made thus far. besides the adrian peterson stuff on 4th and 1 last week…but i mean its not like he made the INT got tackled andwe didnt score, brandon knew he was scoring as soon as he made the INT
what the
hell is up with the post game show? is it pre-season for 101 the fox as well?
and...
its back to commercials…
maybe haley is doing some cuts now… in front of the whole team? :)
Please
No tiffiney greens Please for the love of god
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they don't know what Haley's like yet
Herm was always pretty quick to get on the air and apologize. I don’t think Haley gives the media the same priority and Fox radio hasn’t figured it out yet.
Flowers was up on the line to start that Pick-6 play.
Didn’t see a lot of jam at the line, but looked like Jackson AND Vrabel got a piece of it and Flowers just capitalized.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Soo...
They came back from 20 minutes of ads, played a highlight, told us again they lost and went back to commercials?
lol
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
LETS NOT FORGET
we didnt have cassel, we didnt have DJ, we didnt have zach, we didnt have jarrad….those are 4 key players to our team. KEY.
Zach
Should be cut and offered a coaching job. If he isnt cut, than so much for “earning the Arrowhead”.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He's Definitely Not A Guy To Be Counted On
He’ll have value as a reserve/part-time starter, but I don’t see him completing a full season, or if he does being that effective of a player.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Zach? A key player?
Really? I mean I like ZT, but he’s done zilch the entire pre-season. I don’t think he even deserves to be on the team at this point.
I hate
That we have to keep telling people to relax. Are we the only ones who are calm over this? Yeah they lost, but damnit…its practice. And if you wanna know about practice, ask THIS guy.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
They didn't just lose,
they looked lost. They haven’t looked good in years.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That Guy Doesn't Have A Job
The only thing that bothered me about tonight was injuries and Succop missing two field goals (well, not so much the 53 yarder because that’s a crapshoot distance anyway…but still no NFL kicker should ever miss a 28 yarder).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I'm waiting to hear
whether it was a miskicked by Succop or a problem in the snap or hold or timing. I still like Succop better than anyone we’ve had since Lowery. And he did come back and hit the one at the end.
im glad
he was put in a position to have to make another FG…showd he wasnt flustered by the misses. he really wanted to make that 53 yarder…he was so mad at himself afterwards.
I think he'll have a lot of chances
at long FGs this year
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, What's He Really Going To Do?
“No coach…I missed a chip shot already so I can’t go out there. Go ahead and cut me.”
A strong leg is nice, but he’s got to hit those 28 yarders. A kicker who’s not an automatic from that range is a problem.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
It isnt that we lost
It is that we had the 12th QB injury of the last 3 years, the starting D allowed 300 yards to the 5th worst team in the NFL last year and the offense didnt score a TD.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive been the one telling people it dont matter
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
score doesn't matter
how our starters look does.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Haleys probably busy getting all their car keys and going to make them run home.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Actually kinda sad...
That Deon Butler didn’t get much action in the game. I’ve fond memories of him at PSU!!
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
Mort tweeted that team said Cassel injury isn't serious
He questioned why he didn’t return.
Ummm… dude its pre-season? Our O-line stinks?
Does he need another reason?
by golfbard on Aug 29, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I blame Lamar
if he did his job we wouldn’t have to scout all the other preseason games!
Lamar gave Carl too many jobs. Carl did do the most important job to Lamar, he made the Chiefs profitable.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Charles
who taught him how to carry a football. Its a wonder that he doesn’t fumble more. Watch him carry, its like he’s running to fast, and he waves his off arm to keep his balance and to counter that he holds that ball (on the inside towards the defense) away from his body.
I don’t get it. Can we bring in the guy who taught Tiki to hold on the ball and talk with Charles?
YOU KNOW WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR NOTHING
Someone will ask Haley about his knee and he’ll say he’ll only talk about the players on the field.
Haley will not talk about Cassel injury
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Be right back time to hurl…. Tiffany Greens damn you
Baldinger said not only do we need to find a QB, but we need to get 5 OL's as well.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
He was talking about having to replace a injured QB, not replacing Cassel
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
we need to bring in someone else for the offensive line
idc bout the two guys from miami – our line wont be that much better with them here. we need levi jones, jon runyan, mark tauscher…one of those vets who knows how to block…jesus jon runyan is 6-7 350 – the guy will be able to do a better job than any other tackle we have besides branden albert
Has 101 the Fox paid their bills the last 9 years?
Like 30 minutes of ads.
I'm tired
of this kid with the scratchy voice…
I bet haley has a scratchy voice when he finally talks…
Tired of hearing about heavy periods
I’m gonna puke
I'll tell you what...
I’m certainly tired of worrying about what clothes to wear on my period.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
That's called
being diplomatic. You can’t hop on radio and say “the line sucked balls! Screw em!!!”
You do that and Waters might eat you.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
yeah,
can’t throw your blockers under the bus
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
They didnt suck balls?
I am just saying…. He could have no commented or something but to say they played really good and deserve credit is a little much
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
but you are going to hear about periods, tiffany greens, and kids that want to go to camp…
The only think I have seen and heard Haley say is
“I’m sticking with what I said and will only talk about players that were out on the field, I won’t talk about injuries right now.”
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
gotta correct those bad things...
go take a year off and learn how to throw…
I'm done.
On standby for a DIV SGM to come and wake me up for nothing. And I got errands to run before work.
It was nice here all night, fellow fans. Just remember…preseason is to figure out what you got and what works. Don’t sweat it too much. Just know that the mistakes they made tonight will be worked on and hopefully not happen as much. It’s all about the regular season :)
Night AP!!
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
cya
oh and +1
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley said
all injured players would be evaluated over the coming days… no surprise.
Mort and Baldinger said nothing serious
Joel has quotes from that
He’s sending them to me soon.
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by Chris Thorman on Aug 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Does he have his fedora on with the piece of paper stuck in it that says "Press"?
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 29, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
No taco bell :(
I am hungry and it is daylight so nothing is open. No Taco Bells here anyways… But all I got to eat is some pudding and left over pizza
Live in Colorado
But am in the Middle east for about 3 months. It is Ramadan and it blows chunks. These guys dont eat all day and we can only in the privacy of our living area. We dont go out to eat when they open because these guys cant drive to begin with and then they are either starving or on a sugar high after eating. Live kinda like a shut in when we are working at the house.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you.
Being over there during Ramadan sucks. Particularly on busy days at work. I’d forget it was Ramadan and get all excited about getting off and going to get something to eat, and then remembering I had to wait four more hours only to risk my life just to walk out the door. Just wasn’t worth it.
On the other hand, the in-house parties then are interesting.
Understatement of the night:
Coach Todd Haley: “I don’t think we’re going to be a high-powered group right now.”
@kb_kcstar via Twitter
josh looneys twitter
say the injuries will be evaluated tomorrow ,no news on cassel, flowers or darling
I hope the Chiefs don't follow FOX
FOX radio was bad last year, but they seemed to have found a way to get worse. They didn’t cover the press conference and then don’t even bother to say it occurred or why they missed. It sucks enough to be a Chiefs fan without having this kind of crappy coverage to top it off.
AMEN
Especially being over here and the radio is all I have got.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
agree...
that was terrible to play all those commercials and then not even have one haley soundbite. Terrible
Am thinking about
setting fire to Tiffany Greens when I go to Arrowhead this year.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Repost
I live in Colorado
But am in the Middle east for about 3 months. It is Ramadan and it blows chunks. These guys dont eat all day and we can only in the privacy of our living area. We dont go out to eat when they open because these guys cant drive to begin with and then they are either starving or on a sugar high after eating. Live kinda like a shut in when we are working at the house.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Post game is always commercial hell
but last year it was mostly after Herm’s press conference and sit down with Lenny and Mitch. This year it’s as soon as the game is over.
Coverage is over
Is this the guy that did the Superbowl half time?
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh
Way before my time. They looked like Al Davis on stage last year.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yea way before my time too
but the guy still rocks the shit out of giant stadium – any stadium for that matter – but theyve been around for aw hile – hes prolly in his late 50’s early 60’s
haha nah he aint dead
lol hes a just a living legend – this town is just crazy about him. along with a huge fan base -
A difficult week?
Because he knows will get killed by the 2nd worst team in the NFL last year?
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Texans
Were picked to win their division last year…
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a lot more optomistic
than picking the Hawks. I mean the Texans have the Colts, Jags and Titans in their division. That’s a far cry from the Cards, 49ers and Rams. Hell, the Chiefs would probably have a better shot in the NFC West than the AFC West because in the AFC West there is at least ONE team that seems to know what they’re doing (the lowly Chargers – but I’m not a Norv Turner fan).
LOL
Not a ringing endorsment in the quality of competition your last post had.
have been picked by many to win the NFC West if Hasselbeck stays healthy.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I cant take it
I’m 23 years old and I sat there and watched the game with me 3 month old daughter and wondered how old she would be when she got to see chiefs be a championship team. We need some definite upgrades on our line. cash thigpen in for whatever we can get and trade for another lineman. As far as I’m concerned we should use every pick next year on oline they are just atrocious right now. If we don’t do something Matt cassell is going to be the next 60 million brokie croyle!
by weller_t1 on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
thigpen really sucked tonight
he overthrew jed collins in the flat -guy was wide open – then devard darling (who sucks anyway) ran a hitch and go and beat the corner and thigpen underthrew him we were lucky it wasnt picked – not to mention that terrible fade throw he made to bowe in the corner of the end zone.
Thigpen may very well be the worst QB I have ever seen.
I’m not kidding.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
my thought
give a second round pick and fourth round pick to denver for marshall
if they are willing
draft an o lineman no matter what next year first round and if theres any doubt in 2nd round
take another o lineman
So to compare
Houston is 1-1 with loss to NO that just crushed Oakland 45-7
Minnesota is 2-0
Seattle is 3-0 and has beaten every team in the AFC West except Oakland.
Chiefs have given up on ‘D’ 40+ points in 3 games
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
oh yeah
trade thigpen away and cut darling
idk why chiefs bother to have darling around
cut sackintosh
and pick up levi jones too
rather have an often injured lineman who can play when hes healthy
than an incompetent one
Seattle might suck
but it was good to see the Chiefs get some good positive yards on the ground early. That’s encouraging. But the short yardage game still ineffective.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
A reason for hope
While we still have to improve on the O line, we’re better there than we were last year, and Gailey found a way to make the offense look decent at times with the a less capable offensive line and Thigpen as his QB.
And I don’t think Pioli is going to stand pat, I be we get at least two more linemen, probably three before the season starts. We WILL be better than last season on offense.
Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself
We WILL be better than last season on offense.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like we would have moved the ball much better had Cassel or Croyle been playing
Still, that O-line is pathetic.We have to get some help.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle would have had a season ending injury
Had he left the sidelines. Still surprised he didnt end his season with a baseball cap and clipboard.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, give me a break.
Croyle could outplay Thigpen with a broken fucking leg. Thigpen is worthless.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No need to waste his 3 passes on a preseason game
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going back to this one more time.
I will take an injury prone Croyle over a healthy Thigpen any day.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
i think
we will be a lot more confident about our team when have the final 53. think about it- the core group of WR’s will be Bowe, Bradley, Engram, Toomer, Lelie, Lawrence…thats a good fucking group right there. Of course we would have moved the ball better if we had them, Tyler Thigpen has NO arm. He makes plays with his feet and completes 10-30 yard throws. It’s not that hard to do when you are athletic like that. I think our defense is fine. The only thing we need to address is our fucking offensive line. Like I said before, Levi Jones, Jon Runyan, or Mark Tauscher- there’s no body else without trading draft picks. Or Pioli will have to pull something out of his ass – I heard Green Bay was looking for a back-up QB- why not trade DaJuan Morgan and Thigpen for Scott Wells and another offensive lineman? Possibly one of their defensive backs and Scott Wells? I mean, we can get it done, it depends on how Pioli works the phones though. And he has to get rid of this attraction to Parcells players and call other people, IMO.
I wonder what Pioli thinks during a game like this
Obviously everybody here is pissed. I just wonder if Pioli is also pissed like we are, or just sitting there coolly looking for ways to improve the team.
Wonder if he cares
He has enough rings to last longer than a 5 year plan.
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They're probably looking at things that we're not even noticing,
unless the player in question is directly involved, such as ball-carrier or tackler. It’s things like who’s winning the matchup. Who stays in position, etc.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Am more concerned with the defense
Thigpen got us 20 points in most of the games he started. Why must the D give up more than 20 every week. They didnt in this game only because the Hawks missed 3 FGs
We missed two FGs too
If we had Cassel, the offense would have been better and stayed on the field longer. Our D was forced tonight to almost play a perfect game. Again, hard to judge a lot in preseason.
Huh
We missed two FGs too
Is that a good thing?
Our D was forced tonight to almost play a perfect game.
Did they even play an OK game?
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If we are relying on missed FGs to keep a team under 20 then sure
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You
talked about how Seattle didn’t get 20 pts cuz they missed two FGs.. assuming you were implying that they moved the ball well… well didn’t KC miss two Fgs of their own? Thought they still were able to move the ball and left pts on the field
I thought the 1s played pretty well despite injuries but overall they didn’t play great and had to almost play a perfect game to win since the offense didn’t get points. As I said its tough to evaluate a D as a whole in preseason.
OK
So lets tally up and count the FGs as made
Sea starting offense 13 first half points
KC Starting offense 3 first half points
by bonesjackson on Aug 29, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
With half the defense out
And our starting QB out after 3 plays
Tank Tyler seemed inconsistent.
So did Dorsey. Just impressions. Haven’t watched really carefully.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I was hopeful, but not very certain about Edwards.
Turns out he kicked ass in OTAs and is finally playing NT, like he was built for. Tyler’s more up and down than I expected. But I feel pretty good about the front 3.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I don't think we'll know in the preseason
The 3-4 relies on blitz packages and I don’t think we’re likely to tip our hand before the regular season. I think how our defense plays now is much less of an indicator of where they are than the offense.
I hope so.
One side of the football is going to have to carry this team through this season.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that will work
because I don’t think we’ll have a group so dominant that we can win games like that. We need everyone to step up.
My thoughts after tonight
- The O-line is THE problem on this team
- We need to trade Thigpen NOW
- Our D is better, but not good enough to make up for an offense going 3 and out constantly
- I am 100% behind Lelie making the roster over anybody but Bowe
- I’m liking Tyson Jackson more each time I see him play
- Can’t explain why but I’m still not worried about Succop
- If Haley cut every TE on the roster and literaly replaced them with guys off the street my reaction would be “that’s cool”
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
What the? I totally numbered those 1-7
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
It's when you use the # symbol. Next time, just start each line with # and it'll auto-number.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Jacksonville will probably pull their offer after tonight.
Thigpen was terrible.
Headed to work
You all have a nice night. It is going to be a hot one here. 630 in the morning and over 90 outside
keep it in perspective people
we could be denver fans… and looking at several years before we even have HOPE of being where KC is right now. We have some pieces, but still need some more.
Denver has NONE
Geez glad I set the alarm for 4am again I dont think!!!
A team of to many average and inconsistent players. They look clueless!!!
However when the front office doesn`t want to spend any money on top free agents and bring in old has beens and kids it isn`t realy a suprise I suppose. Oh well theres always hope!!
Its going to be a long long long season :(
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Aug 30, 2009 1:25 AM CDT reply actions
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