The Tyler Thigpen conundrum

I just don’t think his chaotic play is the ideal scheme to win championships. Before answering the poll question you have to ask yourself whether you want a few more wins this year or a playoff berth the year after ( and perhaps the year after, and after, etc.)

If Cassel is who we think he might be he needs the experience this year, even if he doesn’t bring us extra wins that Thigpen might be able to conjure up. An improved and experienced Cassel for next year is better than an over-achieving Thigpen this year.

Who from the 53 man roster are you going to cut to keep 4 QB’s? Face it cuts are coming, and Thigpen is not going to be a Chiefs QB. Get what we can for him and keep real dept on the roster. I like Thigpen but at this point every player we want to add or just keep means someone gets cut. I do not see how you keep Thigpen and 52 others and expect to win.

I was thinking that the Chiefs are probably telling these teams that we are going to keep 4 QBs, so if you want Thigpen you have to pony up. What other leverage would they have?

But it is fascinating that we would so quickly be willing to part with a guy who kept it interesting last year. I am not as big a Thigpen fan as others though. I respect what he did, and he shows potential. But in my limited view, I just don’t see him having the kind of accuracy to really excel and take us to a SB someday. He would seem to be more valuable currently as a backup and/or a Wildcat QB. With the solid play of Guitz, he is expendable.

just like he was when Waters wanted a sit down. Haley could of respected the fact that he was a pro bowler, veteran, and proven leader. But Haley has been “stubborn” with his stance that everybody had to earn their way on the team. If Haley says we’re not going to run a gimmick offense then I’m fine with that. If the current players can’t win games with a traditional pro offense then I imagine Pioli will just continue to bring in new players until we find some that can win. I understand that we could use him in special creative ways to make a few plays, but if we come to rely on those to move the ball then we are no longer making progress towards our goal of developing a dependable offense capable of being a big time super bowl contender. If our offense was already there I’d be on board. But right now, our offense needs to focus on finding players who can help us pound the football and make consistant completions in the passing game not drawing up goofy wildcat formation, 2 QB, trick play stuff. The Bradley to Thigpen TD may of been the highlight of the season last year, it was exciting, but it didn’t make us a better club. Haley is trying to build this the right way “his way”. It probably won’t happen this year but I believe that because he is “stubborn” it will happen and we will get back to being one of the elite teams in the AFC.

Now is the time to make this move. He clearly is not the QB of the future here and wont be. So if we’re going to have him sitting on the bench anyway(because I guaratee Cassel gets at least two years worth of leash) then we might as well trade him when his value is at its peak. No use sitting on him and having his value go down.

that will not be as a Chief. He’s a playmaker but not in a Haley style offense. He wants to burn defenses when they blitz not spread them out and run.

They won’t trade him unless it is a very good deal. Just because “Gut” had a solid preseason game doesn’t mean anything. So if they don’t get a good deal for Thigpen then gut will be cut. Croyle will be injured so that leaves us with Cassel and Thigpen. The two best options in the first place.

that during pre season Thiggy would be on the trade/ cutting block?

That being said. Haley doesn’t run gimmicks, never has never will. What he will run is smart plays with smart players. This requires a QB with vision and accuracy, a set of wide recievers that can spread the field, a HB that can take advantage of a confused defense, and an O line to hold it together. Thigpen doesn’t fit in. If we can get a pick and adress one of the aforementioned that are currently lacking (WR and OL) were doing the sensible thing

The Wildcat was a gimmick and I don’t expect to see much of it this year. Towards the end of last year teams were picking it apart and it slowly exited the NFL. The Wildcat can win you games early in the season but if your taking that non sense to playoffs don’t expect results because playoff caliber defenses (especially in the AFC) will take that formation on with solid play from the front 7.

I’d agree with a fourth for Thiggy, that would compensate for the Ndukwe and Allenman trade. I’d even take a fifth. But if we can get a third for a player we claimed off of waivers a year ago and who would have otherwise been either 3rd string or cut this year, that’s awesome value.

That said, Rosenfels, acquired as a backup whoi is much older than Thigpen, was traded to Minnesota for a fourth. Just something to consider

Comeon now!! You know who you are. Bill Parcells was stubborn. Jimmy Johnson was stubborn. Belichek is so stubborn, even mules get annoyed by him.
Would you complainers prefer to have the relaxed, non-stubborn Herm Edwards regime back?
How can you say we don’t have a “Pro style capable offense”?? We HAVEN"T seen any true offense yet. It’s preseason. It’s a glamorized practice session.
Who shows their hand in preseason??? Nobody!

We have no idea what our offense or defense can do yet, and we won’t until season kicks off. Either way, there’s no need to be all crazy discouraged towards Haley and Pioli. I bet you’d all sing a different tune if they said " Oh ok the fans don’t want us here. we quit..we’ll go to a city that appreciates us". Then we hired Carl and Herm back.

Comeon guys and gals. Try to look on the bright side. People said the same thing when Tony G got traded. But he would have been traded if he was 25 and in his prime. Unless we had money to burn and were super deep in all positions and could afford to keep a luxury tight end like Tony he would have been traded at any point in his career under Pioli and Haley. Why? Because Haley’s offensive schemes don’t utilize tight ends very much. So to have a high paid superstar TE wouldn’t make much sense. It would make more sense to use his trade value to get the receiving corp and O-Line we need. Same here with Thiggy.

Your points on Thiggy are true enough from your viewpoint. But does Thiggy fit in with the offensive schemes Haley intends to use here?? That’s the biggest question.
Who cares if he could be a wildcat option or a scrambler on his feet if that’s not how Haley’s going to run his offense.

A 500 hp Evinrude is a powerhouse and a fast piece of equipment..but it’s not practical if your going canoeing. So it doesn’t matter at all what Thig’s strong points are if they don’t fit in with our offensive scheme. Haley just may not want that type of QB here. Period. It’s not an insult to Thig or a stupid move on our part by any means. Jared Allen is case in point.

He is head and shoulders above any player we have currently, when it comes to sacking the QB…but ONLY in a 4-3 scheme. You could argue about his stats and his ability all day long and you’de be correct, but only within the scheme that utilizes his particular skill set. He wouldn’t be a good fit for a speedy 3-4 hybrid.
So we need to keep things in perspective. We don’t know the big picture. We need to have a little faith and be supportive of our new leadership. Let’s not damn them before they even get a chance to play one season game…please!!

Like his Moxi. Hate his competion % and mechanics. He is a luxury we can’t afford.
We don’t have the depth to keep 4 QB’s