Report: Chiefs, Jaguars Talking Trade for QB Tyler Thigpen
Jason LaConfora of the NFL Network cites sources that say the Kansas City Chiefs and Jacksonville Jaguars are talking about a potential trade for quarterback Tyler Thigpen.
The hang up, per LaConfora's sources, is the value of Thigpen. Via his Twitter account:
KC and Jacksonville talking trade, but unable to agree on value of QB Tyler Thigpen, sources said. Chiefs want more than a 5th rounder.
Wow. Did I say wow?
As far as the value goes, I'm with the Chiefs that he's worth more than a fifth rounder. Quarterbacks are at a premium so even ones that are 1-10 in career starts have value.
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Update 8:56 AM: ESPN (via SportsCenter) is reporting the Chiefs are looking for a third round pick.
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The Jaguars make a lot of sense and their name has come up in some of the speculation around here. David Garrard was tabbed 'the guy' via a $60+ million contract prior to the 2008 season but faith in him has apparently been waning.
Thigpen's role on the 2009 Chiefs (or lack thereof possibly) has been a major dividing point for Chiefs fans. On the one hand, he brings a unique asset to the game (his legs). On the other hand, he hasn't demonstrated an ability to lead a traditional, pro-style offense.
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Hey Joel
Wow! A third round would be good. Hopefully. We need all the picks we can get. We got a lot of holes to plug still. This is very exciting. Thiggy is a very decent QB. He will always be loved here in KC. He gave us his very best and did a very good job. NOW TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY AND BE DONE WITH IT!!
I don't know if the Jaguars read this blog or not so....
Anything lower than a third is unacceptable.
We will not give you guys anything less then a 4 for him… he is not worth a 3rd!
by floridafalcons#63 on Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
4th?
done.
notify the league office.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
And that’s still pulling teeth… Can I have Brandon Flowers to? ;)
by floridafalcons#63 on Aug 26, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the "under center" idea
Is going to be less important in the coming years. More and more college teams are running a spread-style offense and I beleive that is going to be yet another adjustment in the transistion to the NFL form college. With that said, yes he is worth more than a fifth rounder. I like 3rd round or so. It is a transistion that any qb they draft and develop is going to begin, and thiggy already has started.
I disagree
The college level generally hasn’t run Pro Offenses for quite sometime, and this has not effected the NFL generally speaking.
The NFL can keep the same approach because traditionally, only the best athletes and football players will make it in the NFL. And with that in mind, the best and most athletic should be able to play in multiple systems.
by ChiefsFan79 on Aug 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we agree
I’m not saying the NFL will adjust, the adjustment I am refering to is a college qb becoming an NFL qb. A late round qb is going to be a decent-at-best qb from a good school, or a solid qb for a small school.
The NFL will remain, but the gap between college and pro qb’s will widen. the best and most athletic make it in the NFL because they generally make the transition.
Hope that helps clarify my point.
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
We do agree. I re-read your first response and I am shaking my head at myself for not “getting it” the first time.
by ChiefsFan79 on Aug 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
that's fine
I wasn’t sure that I posted it correctly
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Should be sliding scale
I would be for this trade if they get good compensation. It should be a 1st – 4th round pick depending on starts and playing time. If Thigpen starts most of the season for them then a first, if he is just a backup then a 4th is fine.
Then hope someone knocks out garrard early
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Garrard is a great guy, I shouldn't say that
But it would be nice to have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year…
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks,
i tried to get it up as quickly as I could type, you’re just a little quicker…
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get this move
If they are just trying to get a draft pick for him why not keep him this year and use him as a slasher in some packages and build up his value.
Cut or trade Croyle. His value is not likely to increase as he won’t play at all this year. We can actually use Thiggy for stuff and show the value of his wheels.
If we aren’t going to get anything for Thiggy until next years draft I say up his value and use him as a weapon to help the team this year.
I’ll be pissed if we trade him to Jacksonville, don’t get anything out of it until next year and he comes in durring our game against the Jags and burns us on the Wildcat.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1.
Trade Croyle. Thigpen’s a valuable weapon with a set of skills that the other QBs on the team don’t have; we’ve got two other, more durable versions of Croyle in Cassel and Gutierrez.
On top of that, as others have pointed out, the NFL seems to be in transition right now and shifting toward a more spread style offense, which Thiggy runs well — and seems to be the only QB on our roster who is better at that than the ‘under center, in the pocket’ approach.
If we switch to that style in a year or two, we’d have to go looking for a quarterback that could do it and redevelop them all over again. I’d rather just keep the guy we know who we know can do it.
There’s no way Thigpen runs a spread better than Cassell. We have are man whether we lean towards spread or not. Cassell ran a form of a spread last year. He’s acurate, better machanics and doesn’t run to bad himself. Thiggy is sloppy.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 26, 2009 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well
Croyle probably has no trade value based on his injury history (and lack of production).
Thiggy’s trade value will never be higher than it is now, assuming that he’s going to be the 3rd string QB this season. Even if he gets in for a few wildcat plays it’s not going to make him worth a high draft pick next year. If Pioli can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him I’d be very happy. That draft pick is a universal bargaining chip, and maybe it could be turned around for an above average OL THIS year. I’d rather have that than a depreciating asset that Thigpin will become this year. I like Thiggy, but it’s clear that the Chiefs have no interest in utilizing his type of skills.
I agree
He’s coming off a year of starting. I don’t think his value increases with a year of part time use. I would expect a 3rd rounder, however.
You might be right
but Miami drafter Pat White so they could have a guy like Thiggy.
The Eagles went out on a really long and unsturdy limb to sign Mike Vike…a guy like Thiggy.
Tim Tebow will be frafted next year.
I think the stock is rising on a guy like Thigpen.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It may still be high
but I don’t think it’s very likely that it will increase from after a year of starting to a year of running gadget plays part time.
he's a luxury
…on a team with lots of basic needs. I don’t think anyone would disagree that he’s a nice weapon to have, but if KC can pull a 3rd round pick (and likely a high one if it’s coming from the Jags) we could turn around an use that pick for a starting Center or Guard either via trade or next year’s draft. Would you rather have a GOOD center/guard on the line, or a wildcat QB who’ll get in maybe 40 plays per year. It’s nice to have both, but I’ll take the lineman if I have to choose.
+1....exactly.
I understand his performance last year made us look a little better, but in the big picture he’s not a commodity to ANYONE else in the NFL. He’s only a commodity to us, and if you’re on a team where your 3rd string QB is a commodity, then you’ve got WAAAAY more needs on which you need to dedicate your focus. If you can get a 3rd or 4th out of him, you’ll NEVER get a better deal than that. ever.
good call
great point on that. I know none of us have forgotten that we have some needs and plus, the pats always have tons of picks going in to the draft. They draft where they see good value and trade the rest to the next year and keep piling up picks. It would be nice to have that here…
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 26, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Pat White
is faster and has a better arm… Come on guys I love Thiggy but dont act like he is a burner… Could Thiggy play WR in the NFL? NO! That is why Miami drafted White. They want to use him on packages where he can do more things than just be the QB.
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I seem to recall Thiggy has one catch
for a long TD. Just saying. =)
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
When he took off
that CB didn’t catch him
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
CB
the CB didnt guard him… go watch the film again. Barber let him go and was looking into the backfield…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
And if it had been Pat White
Barber would have been right on his ass, stride for stride.
In a way, Thiggy’s lack of speed was his secret weapon on that play
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Barber said
he was faked out on that play, that he told Thigpen “you ain’t going no where” . Barber just released Thigpen and before he relized what was going on it was far to late.
right
I wasn’t saying Thigpen burned him. I was saying that once he took off, the CB never caught up. As soon as he took off, Barber turned around and went after him. He didn’t really gain much ground. Thigpen is fast enough.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and Mark Bradley was the "Wildcat QB"
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Thank u, +1. I like thiggy but damn take the blinders off.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 26, 2009 9:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
stock is rising for a guy like Thigpen
which why it’s a good time to trade him now, and not in a few years when no runs the wildcat anymore.
...Trade Value and cuts...
I’m not sure where I stand in the entirety of the AP family…I think Thigpen is a gimmick quarterback that truly made the Chiefs bearable to watch last season. I also think that this offense is heading to a modified west coast style offense with the ability to throw down the field. I think that is why the Chiefs are going to maintain 3 pro-style pocket quarterbacks.
The other thing I think is that here around Sept 5th or so Mr. Pioli is going to scavenge the waiver wire and see what young QB’s are out there.
I’m not sure that Brodie or Matt G. are guarentted to have a job when the season starts. I do think however that those two QB’s plus Matt Cassell look very similar in the pocket.
I think that the Chiefs would be wise to get as much for Thigpen this year as possible. My core belief about the NFL is that draft picks is the currency that gets things done. New England seems to have been doing this for years and so I think Mr. Pioli is bringing this philosophy to KC.
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
If we can get a fifth rounder, I am cool with that. Seriously, he is not very good. If Cassel goes down (please don’t let Cassel go down) I would rather have either of the other guys running the offense than Thiggy. It’s not that he doesn’t have talent because he does but, he has a lot of work to do before he can perform in a traditional passing offense.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on this one
Last season has nothing to do with this season as far as offense goes, We have given up a few draft picks already for the players we have now, it’s time to get some back if we can. I like Thigpen but I just don’t see him as a future Chief, I think whats best for the Team and Him just maybe a team outside the division where he can grow. remember if we waive him for whatever reason we could end up playing against him twice a year and we don’t want that do we?
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
+1
If Thigpen is traded it scares me to think our team would be left to Croyle if anything happens to Cassel.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I say try to get a 3rd rounder
And then if they don’t budge give him up for the 5th rounder, then run away laughing
He is worth more than a 5th round pick. He could be used like Kordell Stewart was. IMO he is worth a 3rd at least. He could be another slash, used in some trick plays.
I just don't get it
Why don’t WE use him like that this year and try to win some damn games? If he is good int hat role his trade value will go up.
I think the Jags are looking at Miami and now the Eagles with Vick and are planning to run some Wilcat and the need the personel. He is more dangerous than a Ronnie Brown because he can run and throw.
In fact he throws better on the move.
If we trade him for a 5th I think we are getting ripped off.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
We are not going to run any kind of wildcat schemes...Not Haleys style
Thats not something you see from a guy like him. He is a line up, and overpower your man kind of guy and even though we may not have the personnel to that right now, we will get them here before long.
If we can get a fifth rounder back from Thiggy, we should do it and laugh all the way to the bank.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
It's Chan's style
We ran the Wildcat once or twice last year I think.
Haley will do whatever helps the team win. I think if Chan has some good plays for Thigpen Haley will try them out.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
1 or 2 plays
would you rather have him so you can run one or two wildcat plays or a decent draft pick..im just asking
if it is a 3rd rounder
I think we have to give him up. Turning a 7th round QB into a 3rd round pick when he isn’t really fit to be a starter is a pretty damn good move.
Though I would use him on more than 1 or two plays…but I like gadget stuff.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Like It...
but dislike the fact we get rid of Thiggy for a pick that doesn’t help us this year. Yeah, in the long run, it’ll be beneficial, but I’m just one of the guys who think we could really use the help this year. If we can turn that pick and trade it for somebody now, I’m all about it. Maybe even package that pick with the 2nd for TG and grab somebody worth mentioning…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 26, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
A 3rd would be good for Thigpen
just like a 2nd was good for Gonzo, but i agree with you it sucks that neither pick is going to help us out this year.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree plus
Haley didn’t have a guy like Thigpen so of course he didn’t do those kind of plays.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
QB
We didnt have a franchise QB… Can you see Cassel on the sidelines with Thiggy at Flanker?
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Offense
The Chiefs are not gonna run arrowspread anymore so I dont think thigpen has any place on this team. I think if we get a fifth that would be a great trade I guess i am of the opinion that thigpen was gonna get cut from this team anyway
Ask for a 3rd
but accept a 4th, and smile nicely.
5th
Hell I would take a 5th that can move up. We are going to have to put 1 QB on the practice squad if we keep them all. Why not get something for a QB. Thiggy is probably going to be the practice squad guy because of the system we run now.
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Then i think you have to get value
pick based on playing time would be good but not less than a 4th or a 5th with a good player oline
?
How does the practice squad work… Just bringing it up because that is where we got Thiggy…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats what I thought
He would never clear waivers…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Sign
If he doesnt make the 53 man roster(3 QB’s only usually) KC can put him on the inactive player list. I think you get like 6 guys on that one
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a 45 man active roster
with up to 8 inactives each week.
53 is the absolute max excluding PUP and IR lists.
I just think we should keep him
Thigpen in the Wildcat is going to force the D to play 11 on 11 instead of 11 on 10.
Him not being our standard QB makes him very dangeous. If he rolls out the D is going to have to keep a check on him. Someone is going to get single coverage out of it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
our offense
needs all the spark it can get,.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there's too much wildcat chubb around here
People like it because Miami used it effectively. I don’t think it’s the only way to be creative on offense. Personally I’d rather have a good change-of-pace runningback than a change-of-pace quarterback. If we can get any trade value out of either Croyle or Thigpen we should take it and move on.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Sounds like they are asking for a 3rd
I think I could live with that. Even though I’d like to see the Chiefs use his skills.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Thigpen is a whistles and bells
guy that the Chiefs can’t afford to hold a roster spot for. IMO
Sounds like
if the Jags are are saying 5th and we are saying 3rd…depending on how bad they want him, we’ll end up with a 4th,.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
3rd-4th rd pick for Thigpen would be a great deal for Chiefs... What skill set does Thigpen really bring
good runner, inaccurate passer. Without Gonzalez last year Thigpens passing stats would have been a lot worse
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
He still threw 18 touch downs
Teams had trouble containing him. Period. He throws well enough on the run to be a dangerous threat. I believe the Jags intend to use him.
I just hope he doesn’t burn us when we play them. I’ll be pissed.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Bull.. They had trouble first half… Not the second. He let us down several times at the end of the games because lack of passing skill. Situations were he couldn’t use his damn legs.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone talks aobut gonzo savig him
bowe only had 10 less catches than Gonzo and if you count all of bowe’s drops, that means Thigpen threw to Bowe more.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
if you look at the games Thigpen started Gonzo had 78 catches, Bowe 62
and probably atleast 10+ of those receptions by Bowe were a quick pass to the sideline at the line of scrimmage and let him try to break a tackle for a 5 yd gain.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Thigpen is fun to watch. I enjoyed it last year… But he doesn’t win. Teams adjust. Happened every game last year. Yes our defense sucked but thiggy’s second half numbers did too. Please take ur blinders off and get what we can.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 26, 2009 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We've been so starved for a qb....
that we seem confused about what “good” QB play is.
If we get a 3rd for Thigpen
That means we essentially got Cassel, Vrabel, AND a 3rd round pick for our 2nd and our 3rd string QB. Not bad.
Exactly.
Tyler Thigpen was only successful because we blew up the entire playbook so that he didn’t look completely incompetent.
or maybe the system they ran before took out two QB's
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Cassel bringing in a 2nd and Thigpen still bringing in a 3rd. That’s the Patriot way.
We will NOT get a third pick for Thigpen.
Del Rio is waaay smarter than that. if we get a fifth for him we should be happy and take it. It beats just cutting him and getting nothing which is exactly what would happen otherwise.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe...
Del Rio will remember his times in a Chiefs uniform and want to help us out. Riiiiight. Hopefully though, it’s a 4th round or better that we can use as bait to potentially package with our 2nd and grab a quality offensive lineman or a serviceable KR/PR this year…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 26, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Take a 4th and run!
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
I have said it all along,
all the guy does is score TD’s. I dont know why I get so much diagreement on this but seriously. Look at the #‘s his and Cassel’s were about the same especially the TD/INT margin. Where Cassel has the edge is in the W/L category. Well If Thiggy small wasn’t playing with Girl Scouts last season and had more NE talent we’d be singing a different tune.
I honestly believe the only reason we are letting him go is because he doesn’t fit Haley’s style, it has nothing to do with talent. He would fit in great with what the jags do on offense.
I say 3rd round if not second.
This is funny people saying Thigpen can't do this and can't do that.
but if Croyle is so much better why aren’t teams trying to get him. A lot of teams with problems at back-up QB, and some with starter problems?
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
Nobody wants
an injury prone QB bad enough to trade for him.
Exactly so why do people on here want to keep him.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Keeping him is alot different
than trading for him. We’ve already got him for 1 more year. If he sees any action and get “Brokie” again, then it didn’t cost us anything. He’ll be gone for good.
Why is this all of a sudden about Brodie? Haven't we had this discussion???
We are talking about Thigpen and his lack of ability to play the QB position effectively. Which is a fact! He can’t take snaps from under center, read defenses, or throw the ball with any semblence of accuracy. He is a terrible quarterback if you are looking for a pocket passer (which we are BTW)
If you want to talk about Brodie fine. Even with his injuries, he is a way better QB than Thigpen will ever be. he has his issues but, at least he can hang in the pocket and doesn’t just take off running everytime he takes a snap or sees a defender coming toward him. I will take a guy with an arm that is like a rocket launcher with a scope over a poor mans Kordell stewart any day of the week.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you know for sure that teams aren't asking for Croyle or anyone else for that matter?
Unless you work tin he front office of the Chiefs, no one knows for sure.
this could be
a great pickup for the Jags
Before you build yourself up, you must tear somebody else down.
I like Thigpen too but
if the trade goes down, it may be best for him. The way I see it now he’s at best 3rd string on the Chiefs but he could be second or possible a starter in Jacksonville. If the trade doesn’t happen then theres a good chance Thigpen gets released and is claimed off of waivers buy a totally shit organization like the Rams. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone but Cutler.
Starter? Seriously? Over David Garrard?
Never happen.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
OH! didn't relize Garrard was imune
from injury, or other misfortune.
by JohnNdallas on Aug 26, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
honestly...
I’d take a 5th.
Yes, I like Thigpen… but, the Chiefs have too many QBs right now, and not enough draft picks.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
I Like Thigpen
But if the Chiefs can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him they should jump on it immediately. Thigpen is very unlikely to unseat Matt Cassel this season and the Chiefs need the draft pick.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
+1
I could really take him or leave him. Sorry. I really like what he did for the Chiefs last year, but in the whole scheme of things, he made a very shitty team look kind of not as shitty…or at least capable of winning one game. It’s not like he’s Tom Brady and I don’t even buy the “Rich Gannon” hype either. He’s a decent backup. If you can get a 4th for that, go for it.
My prediction: Chiefs to Jags for 4th round (possibly conditional 3rd) before the end of the day.
100% worth it, in my opinion.
I'm down with that
a 4th is pretty likely to yield a solid player in the 2010 draft.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Jags
I dont think the Jags are going to come off the 5th rounder. We might be able to get a conditional 4th if he plays 30% of the offensive snaps or something like that…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s worth anymore than sage from Houston who went to the viks. Take what we can Scott!
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For us, his value will never be higher than a 3rd (or 4th). Never.
Sorry, but it’s true. He’s likely 3rd string at this point, so he might not get the chance to play for us at ALL this year. Are teams more likely to pay higher for him following a year of starting, or a year of bench sitting? Nuff said. I like the guy a lot and will continue to root for him, but if he’s not going to play then we need to get this thing done. Trade him NOW.
Totally Agree
After this season I really dont think thigpen will have any trade value. I liked thigpen, but to me im not sure he is an NFL quarterback…
He was 3rd string last year.
I’d be sure our QB’s will be protected this year, before I got rid of him. If thepowers that be feel that Cassel is safe, the a 3rd or 4th would be great for us, and the Jags would get a good player.
Reply Fail!
Sould be nested below Keyser’s post.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but big difference this year: our starter is no longer Brokie.
Of course the O line still has major issues, but I guess I’m hopeful that Cassel isn’t made of eggshells.
As Cassell demonstrated in the 1st couple drives
He is capable of scrambling and extending plays while looking down the field for a target or he can run it for 10 yards. Also Matt Cassell 6’ 4" 230 lbs while Brodie Croyle 6’ 2" 205 lbs. Cassell is a big boy and he proved last year he could take a beating from sacks most sacked QB last year if i remember right.
by Chiefs Fan Jon on Aug 26, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Great point about Cassel taking the most sacks last year.
He’s already proven that he can withstand a beating.
Cassel is more mobile, too.
I think he’ll be ok (he escaped pretty well against hte Vikes), but with this O-line 1st string to 3rd string QB could be two snaps away.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus
Plus when Cassel scrambles he actually looks to pass the ball. Thiggy just runs with blinders on. Even the TD to Cottam was just the fact he ran out of road and threw up a Farve pass…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
not buying this one
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win championships
by DT58forever on Aug 26, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Cassel
He took a bunh of sacks last year when he was trying to extend plays(holding the ball too long). When have you ever seen Thiggy stop running with a lane and throw it?
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I love how I brought up a trade of thigpen months ago and no one agreed it would happen
Now look. Teams are not sold that Thigpen will be cut or that he would clear waivers far enough for them to get a shot at getting him (Jax). I remember simply asking what trade value we could get for him and NO ONE responded. Everyone just said I was crazy and that Thigpen would be cut so no one would trade for him.
I mentioned Saturday:
“I’d bet that they find at least one, maybe two OL men before the season starts and then they just have to go with the best they have. Like TonyG88 said above, maybe Niswanger would help more at guard or tackle and then if no one’s better, they might have to go with Brown and let him develop. If there is any truth to the rumors of maybe trading Thigpen, then maybe they could land a pretty good OL man here. I have confidence that Pioli and Haley are doing everything that they can to solve the problem.”
Pioli is out there wheeling and dealing and now I do expect maybe even another 1-2 OL.
He seems very determined to resolve this problem.
Trading Thigpen for a 3rd would go a long ways towards helping Pioli's approval rating for me
His recent desperate grab at lineman from Miami was too little too late. Getting good value for Thigpen, thus negating his trade with Miami would make me happy
Miami
You havent even seen the guys from Miami play on KC… These guys started for Miami last year due to injury… Have you looked at how many sacks miami gave up and how well they did running. You cant do that with holes at both Guard positions. They played well for Miami…
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you know the deal with Miami
hasn’t been cooking for a couple of weeks?
Pioli might have wanted to see them in action
before pulling the trigger.
Game Film
I am pretty sure he watched the game film from last year… Plus we have had scouts at every NFL preseason game. I am sure Haley and Pioli had those guys looking at OL!
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Also Exactly!
And if I remember right Miami had one helova running game last year. With two backs with similar skill sets as LJ, well somewhat similar.
just saying..
I would feel better a draft pick back after giving up draft picks for two unprovens (you can’t call these guys our saviors yet. Hopefully they will contribute, but I doubt they will be ready by the Baltimore game. That game could be scary)
Tough Draw
Yeah first game for a new QB and HC… We get a top 5 D… HOLY CRAP!!!
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
They could be ready rather quickly..
Remember, they know each other very well and they are playing right next to each other on the line. Communication between them is already there. All they need to do is learn our terminology and they should be ready to go.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not saviors
but I think that unproven is also an inaccurate statement
by Fourstrike89 on Aug 26, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
If this deal dosen't happen before Saturday
look to see Thigpen get a bunch of snaps in Saturday nights game. Pioli is going to put him on display.
I'd say it's a done deal...
they’re just haggling about price. Pioli would never have leaked this (and I believe it IS coming from him), if it wasn’t to push the Jags off the dime. Plus other teams now know he’s available.
I just read that Simms is hurt
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Out Preseason
Martin is just a camp body for the 4th preseason game
by flyin_squirl on Aug 26, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
QB
Way to many QB’s in next years draft ! Has to happen this year!
Thigpen may be 3rd string.
Would you take a 5th round pick for any 3rd string player on the Chiefs?
Like…Cameron Goldberg, Daryl Harris, Derek Lokey, DaJuan Morgan, Demorrio Williams
I think you would, without blinking an eye.
Yes, Thigpen played pretty well last year, but he’s not seemingly in the plans for this year… so why not take what you can get for him?
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Would you take one for Bowe?
He’s 3rd string, too. The depth chart is crap.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Good luck Tyler,
He and Tony G were the only thing that made last season barable to watch. I hope he does well.
Yes!
Zing! Thigpen being dealt?
I wonder who was predicting that?
go us…
I figured they wanted a 4 or 5….thats what they may get…woo hoo.
either makes up for our lost picks we dealt for the OL/Oconnell, or gives the chiefs another pick to deal with the 2 for boldin…
if they got a 3, I see a 2/3 to arizona for boldin
So happy to finally be on the same page as the kc front office, i knew it
I just went to the Jaguars site, and their is nothing about this trade.
the bad think is they still have stuff from two days ago on their front page. That just makes me love AP even more.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
I doubt
they are goign to post about a possible trade on the official site.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I meant the Jaguars SB site.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
ah
yeah that is sad.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Once you go AP
the rest just look sad. They wish they had the action AP does…when we are dead slow.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
(thing)
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Twitter Guy
The guy that broke this is a NFL blogger that is located in DC… How did he get the scoop on this?
he stole it
AP is the best football team website out there…period
news doesnt slip from KC
maybe just read some of ours posts about how thigpen was on the block
while some writers claimed brodie could take cassel’s job, others like me, felt that its best to deal thigpen….his value right now is as high as it will get.
If I may add my $0.02 before I run off to my lame meeting about Corporate Financial Performance Management
If we get a 3rd – Goodbye Thiggy, thanks for last year
Less than a 3rd – Keep him, build packages using him in the wildcat.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 26, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions
Just saw the ESPN report on TV
They say the Chiefs are looking for a mid round pick for Thigpen, and they didn’t seem surprised at all about the asking price. Which tells me this just maybe the fair market price for Him. Normally when they think it is a stead for one side or the other they blow it out of proportion.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
Hopefully
there are other teams interested inhim that have been scouting him and were hoping he would be cut.
Pioli might have caugt wind of this and released and intentionally leaked that the Jags were interested to see if he could rouse up some competition.
Thiggy could end up somewhere other than Jacksonville.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
that'd be nice
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
I mean think about it...
this could have been leakedon the Jags end but I don’t think it would be beneficial in anyway for them to leak it.
We never hear about trades with The Don until afer they have happened…unless the DON wants people to know about it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as it's not in the AFC west
And the price is right I don’t see a real problem dealing Thigpen. And Who knows what maybe on the Jags cut list that might get added to the deal…or some other team willing to add Thigpen.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
I'm hoping
there is another team out there that wants him bad enough to try to out bid the Jags.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 26, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Jacksonville has been in contact with Tampa Bay, too, about its quarterbacks. Minnesota could eventually shop one of its quarterbacks as well, with several league execs believing Tarvaris Jackson has the best chance of being someone put on the trade market.
Jacksonville and Kansas City talking QB trade from NFL.com
They would be CRAZY to cut T Jackson.
He looks pretty good if you ask me. I wonder if we can trade Thiggy straight across for him?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Thigpen is going to end up getting cut, I think any compensation is great.
by Big Red Brando on Aug 26, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
I like Thigpen and what he did for us last year, However, I do not see him as a long term Chief. There are other QB’s out there that are about to get released, We have to get the best value out of Him while we can. It’s all about supply and demand right now there’s a demand for him, after a few get released there won’t be as much thus his value will drop big time. Don’t get too greedy, get fair value for him while you can. before it may be too late, I mean come on the Donkeys are going to sign Martin for crying out loud.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Buy Low, Sell High
I totally agree. We can’t keep all four of these QBs and not expect #4 to be signed off the practice squad by another team at some point this season. Pioli is smart to shop Thigpen first because his value is highest. With Thigpen’s style of play, his value about as likely to go up as he is to get hurt and start people worrying about durability. If this deal is done, I won’t cry. If we get a third-rounder for a guy we picked up for nothing, brilliant. I might actually swallow my pride and give Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards some retroactive praise.
by chiefstatnut on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
*"value is highest" – excepting Cassel, obviously.
by chiefstatnut on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Best thing that could happen
Hey, I love Thiggy. He was the only bright bulb in last year’s darkness. That said, he’s the odd man out int he new regime. I’m fine with Cassel, Croyle and Guttierez. Get something while you can.
Trading him is extremely smart
1. He’ll never have more value than he does now.
2. Getting something for nothing is how great GMs win (take note of GMs that do the opposite, like Dayton Moore).
3. He eliminates any conversation among idiot Chiefs fans about him being a legitimate option as a starter. ::rolleyes::
on #3, Amen Brother
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
Really?
…among idiot Chiefs fans…
Can’t agree to disagree? Can’t recognize that all the QBs have good and bad? You think the Chiefs would have been 11-5 last year with Cassel and the Pats would have been 2-14 with Thigpen?
Someone who disagrees is an idiot? Really?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, I was not agreeing to the idiot part
I just do not see Thigpen as the starter for this team ever unless it comes down to injuries. Thus the continued agruement about Thigpen as the starter is growing very thin in my opinion.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
I haven't seen the Thigpen being the starter argument
I have seen the Croyle pushing Cassel for starter, and that just made me laugh.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Who said that anybody that disagrees with me is an idiot except for you?
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Boy, stop.
You’re just being all angry and aggressive. I’m sure you’re intimidating people.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you stop acting like a child?
Now please, grow up. We’re both Chiefs fans.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Having different opinions is what makes this site great
But calling people (Idiots) because they don’t agree with you, just shows no class.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagreeing doesn't make people stupid
Having stupid ideas makes people stupid.
Intentionally misreading might be worse, though.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Harsh words lead to misunderstandings...Everytime
Sometimes just a choice of word selection can make a huge difference in how things/people are viewed. I personally skipped over the word and went to the idea behind the post, but I should have known better than reply before I did. I know very well that most people do not skip over things like this and in fact jump on it. it is not right or wrong in my mind because everyone is different and I expect them to react differently than I do. Anyway I think this part has gotten as far away from the original story as it can and much farther than is really should have. I’m done with it and have gone on to looking for more info in the story.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
Maybe they can sweeten the deal
Maybe KC would take a lower pick if JAX could sweeten the deal with an additional player (WR/OT)?
Or a
Kick Returner candidate.I’d like to see the Chiefs bring in the OTHER Thigpen (Marcus) for a look as a possible Kick Returner.
Any opinions on him?
by JohnNdallas on Aug 26, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Anything is better than nothing
But I’m not sure a KR is the difference between a 4 and a 5, or worse, a 3 and a 5. I think we need at least a regular backup in the WR or O-line mold.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I get the impression
that the Chiefs are as concerned about the return game as much as they are the other parts of the team.
Haley (unlike numb nuts Edwards) considers the return game a very key part of his team
Rightfully so!!.
by JohnNdallas on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
He’s worth at least a 4th, and good on Pioli for negotiating high(a 3rd), rather than the carl move of taking anything. We don’t have to trade Thiggy, so we hold all the cards in any perspective trade.
Carl wouldn't have traded him at all...
Because he always wanted to satisfy the below-average-intelligence KC fan.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude.
Did did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?
This is the 2nd post bashing Chief fans, Aren’t you a fan?
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 26, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Take a 4th with a optional 3rd rounder, base it on playing percentage or something
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
???
Pardon me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Jared Allen a fifth rounder? I’d take a fifth, easily, but there’s no reason why they can’t work an upgrade into the trade based on stats.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
Right.
But using one of the best 5th round picks of all time as an example doesn’t make a 5th enough compensation.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jared was a 4th
Although B. Carr was a fifth. Talent can be found anywhere in the draft
by Fourstrike89 on Aug 26, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Jared was a 4th rounder..
We had 2 fourth rounders that year…
Quiz time…who was the other one??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 26, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade em
This is a business, not an extended Mexican family. If we don’t need him, we need to trade him if the price is right. Someone above made THE point: Thigpen is a luxary on a team that has a looot of needs.
Besides, Thigpen is a question mark just like every other guy on this team. We won’t know what we have until we get him into some real games with the preparation of real NFL coaches, and not the coddling of Herm and his CareBears. I’d like to think that this regime would put Thiggy into a lot more positions to win, but we really don’t have the time to find out. That would be a step backward and we’re trying to move foward.
We really really need those roster spots and we need to jump any and all opportunites to upgrade this team now.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
I would crap myself
is some team gave up a 3rd for Thigpen. I MIGHT think about a 4th for him.

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