Amateur Review on Alleman and Ndukwe
by butchcassidy on Aug 24, 2009 7:59 PM CDT
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Print**I am by no means a scout or proffessional evaluator of talent so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
I was watching some of the highlights from Miami after hearing this and made a couple of observations...
Positives
Athletic, strong arm drive blocker. In run blocking he has quick feet and good recovery quickness. He's strong at the point of attack and can drive most lineman out of the way. When equally matched in pass protection he's solid, forming a sturdy base in his legs he can hold his ground against DTs that physically beat him in measurements. A good run blocker and steady pass blocker.
Negatives
He plays too high. Stiff in the hips and will bolt himself to the ground and lunge in pass protection casuing him to over extend and lose position in protection. Against agile DTs he appears almost sluggish, struggling to keep step for step with them do in part to his poor footwork in most zone situations which allows for some to simply swat his arms away and get an inside track to the QB forcing a throw earlier then it should be thrown. Needs to finish his blocks as well.
Overall
He's not a zone blocker. In most pass plays he covered his defficeny by playing too his strength in drive blocking, getting his hands inside the numbers quickly and angling his man out of the play and making them a non factor. A definitive upgrade to the line when he plays to his strengths but can be a liabilty at times.
Ikechuku Ndukwe
Positives
A wall. This guy is undeniably strong. Not as fast as Alleman (quicker then D-Mac) but is much more stout at the point of attack. A solid blocker in both the pass and run; once he has his hands on someone its practically game over. He is a much better zone blocker, taking good angles to compensate for his slower speed and able to strong arm stronger DTs while being versitale enough to catch quicker bull rushers and litterally kill their momentum pushing them back with ease and removing them from relevancy.
Negatives
His strength is also a weakness at times; he is a wall. The guy is not the best down field blocker do in part to being rather slow and awkward when running downfield (his weight appeared cumbersome at times). While he has adequate latteral speed and agility he is occassionaly beat by a quick inside move or outside speed rush. While his strength is an obvious advantage in most situations he relies to heavily on his physical capabilites and not enough on technique, catching (allows for DTs to charge in to him) most DT/DEs more often then not, relying on brute force and stability in his core strength to hold off against a quick DT/DE which on occassion allows for guys he should beat normally to get inside leverage with momentum and drive him back into the pocket.
Overall
Best suited for a RT/RG (RG) started there at Miami and showed promise) better then Dmac and Barry Richardson by far.
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great job
They both sound good, based on your observations.
Maybe there’s one starter and one backup, or better?
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Ndukwe has...
Has definite starter material. He has all the mesuarables to sure up the RT position with relative ease in comparison to Mcintosh and Barry. He has his flaws but so does everyone. Its just that his flaws can be compensated by his positives. I’d be suprised if he didn’t come out as the number 1 on the DC on week 1.
Alleman could push for a starting position possibly at C most likely a back up at guard. I didn’t get to see him play center on the highlights much (he was hard to spot considering he didn’t start too many games) but he is very stout and can just cement himself into the ground against most compettion. A much better run blocker then Rudy by far but he can be a liablity in the passing game with his stone feet when asked to zone block. I think Miur can coach him up to be more fluid in his hips but he has a bad habit of over extending which can destroy pass protection up the middle when it counts.
He won’t be pushed back often in pass protection but he can give up an easy rush with his bad form at times (it happened a more then a few times when I watched him)
by butchcassidy on Aug 24, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds better than we have now.
two starters possibly?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 24, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Stout
that’s the key word there.
I think that’s what the Chiefs are missing so far… but we’ll see!
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
If nothing more...
Both of these guys are that at the very least. Ndukwe on one play took Jerod Mayo on and chipped Bruschi at the same time on a run play to spring ronnie brown for a long run
by butchcassidy on Aug 24, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Just maybe
We got a C/RG and a RT that can both compete for the starting jobs on the right side.
The future is ours KC Chiefs fans!!!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Aug 24, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions
And thats for a low round pick
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I think Jackson is a very good receiver.
Seems like a good deal to me
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How did that get in there?
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
we don't know what pick yet
No one’s uttering a peep
The future is ours KC Chiefs fans!!!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Aug 24, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If these guys are run blockers
then our run game will be more successful (barring any more fumbles), which in turn will open up the passing game a lot more. That was our problem last year.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Aug 24, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
Alleman
Alleman is a better run blocker then pass blocker and Ndukwe is a better pass blocker but adequate in run blocking so it sort of evens out
by butchcassidy on Aug 24, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They need to get these guys acclaimated to our offense quick
So we can get out there and compete. If our line can see some good improvement, this will be a damn good football team. If not, well, you guys remember last year.
Yeah the one with the shitty assed defense? YEP!
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Butch, seriously nice job, man.
The Fanposts have been much better recently. I feel the need to rec many of them (and I have).
Rec’d. Awesome job, really.
Wait
Are you a scout or professional evaluator of talent?
Or should I take your opinions with a grain of salt?
Nice work, but don’t kill it with an opening line like that. Just some friendly, constructive criticism. (Although my writing experience lies in the technical field, so you may as well not listen to what I have to say. See what I mean?)
Again, nice work.
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by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 24, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
Nice post
I feel pretty good about this deal. rec.
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Your remarks run counter to the quickie run-downs on this pair elsewhere.
Alleman was said to be the guy with real potential to win some minutes on the field and Ndukwe was treated like a warm body in the discussion.
I’m not saying the traits don’t sound pretty much as others have said, just you ranked them in the opposite order.
This is not a critique – just an observation. Appreciate the real football talk.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
It may run contrary....
But I’m just going but what I saw in the 2008 season highlight reel. Ndukwe didn’t play poorly at the RG. I think his play may have been helped by the presence of Vernon Carey at RT but for the most part he was able to hold his own all season.
Alleman may have more upside but I just didn’t see enough of him in the tape and from what I did see he looked to have problems in some of hte fundemental areas of his game.
by butchcassidy on Aug 24, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you're not mistaken
Ndukwe did start 15 games… because the starting RG got hurt.
Alleman was backing up at C, I believe.
So, it’s probably difficult to tell which is “better”
it’s more about who was in a position to play last year, because of injuries.
With KC, they probably won’t be at the same position… they will be a C and a RG, or a RG and a RT… so “who is better” is irrelevant… the real question is… are they better than who is currently on the Chiefs roster… that’s what I’m excited to see
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
As we go along, fishhooks, your take seems to be the concensus.
I just wonder what was with the first analysis offered on these two.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I wonder if Ndukwe was the deal breaker or upped the conditional aspect of the trade enough to sway Parcells
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
more Fins fans' comments... sound good
I’m a Dolfin season ticket
Submitted by joe on August 24, 2009 – 2:04pm.
I’m a Dolfin season ticket holder. Ndukwe can start at LT, RT or either guard. He’s got a mean streak and is an excellent blocker. Alleman drive blocks really well and he’s a natural Center. You received two really good linemen and they’re hard to find. I’m a real fan of the Chiefs this year. I like all the moves so far and I think they have a shot at winning the division. Enjoy!
Solid Players
Submitted by chiefslockerroo… on August 24, 2009 – 3:47pm.
I just talked to a couple of my sons who live in South Florida and are ridiculous Fin fans.
According to them (and they both played O-line in college – One at Akron where Alleman played)… these guys are solid players who were stuck in second team spots because the starters are very good.
Think about it…Parcells does not keep hacks on the roster nor is he likely to be the type of guy to jam up his son in law.
Actually, they’re both pretty athletic…
Submitted by hjp3 on August 24, 2009 – 9:34pm.
Fin fan here, I think you guys are going to like what you see from Ike and Andy.
Ike can play tackle, and it looks like you desperately need one – ex-Fin Damion is still… starting!? Yikes!
Alleman is tough, can play hurt, and play Center, too.
Both are versatile, and both have gone through a full offseason of Parcells strength-training.
Chin up lads, your guy did well.
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"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
by stagdsp on Aug 24, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Stag...
Good to see what people who follow the Dolphins are thinking. Like the last one’s crack at Sackintosh.
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by ArrowheadGladiator on Aug 26, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like Pioli has Belechick to thank for Cassel/Vrabel
and Parcells for Alleman/Ndukwe
oh G from NE too maybe another yet from Parcells :)
Or Pioli is just making good moves!
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
I think if we can even get one starter out of this deal we come out a head.
Either way I think both these guys are at least better then the 2s on our team at any position at the line. Keep Herb, Brown, Richardson, the two new guys, Albert/Water/Goff(even for depth) and cut the others loose, unless Mackintosh can play inside.
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Here are some quotes from Dolphins fans off of Scout.com regarding these two.
It’s not so good.
“I’m surprised we could get anything.”
“huh…i wonder what we got. chiefs must be desperate for some oline help… kc got some young expendable cbs??? no way we got brian waters back i’d say.”
“I was just about to post about Ndukwe. I called for both Alleman and Ndukwe last week. Ndukwe had just been getting abused in practice too often, mostly by Wake.”
“i’d take a 5th for both of them…just not good players.
what must that chiefs oline look like in camp."
“i never thought much of alleman and didnt really see much to change my mind
so what ever we got for him is a bonus
KC must be desperate?"
I only saw one thread about this and there was not one positive thing said about these two.
Scout.com :/
I trust scout.com’s forums as much as I do ESPN’s. It just seems like a group of fanboys quoting their local morning radio as opposed to doing research on their own. (Which is why I love this site, fresh insight)
that's funny
compare these comments to the ones above…
Just goes to show you that football fans can’t be trusted when sharing opinions about players on their favorite team.
Wait… isn’t that what we do here?…. shit.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Kinda
But when we do it it’s investigative journalism.
Seriously though, this looks like an objective and unbiased review of both players. Forum posts will always be forum posts ;)
Hey guys Fin fan here
Yeah I just wanted to say that you can have those two douchebags. Alleman has a gambling problem and Elduke is worse than an infidel. GO FINS~!
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wow
thanks for raining on the parade.
Hopefully, they will prove you wrong, and the Fins go back to 1-15 again.
:)
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
/sarcasm
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you forgot the sarcasm font!
:)
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
i’d take a 5th for both of them…just not good players.
what the hell? is this guy retarded?
why would someone trade a 5th rounder for two players that are apparently bad?
sorry, that was mean
but wow, some people just don’t understand the worth of draft picks/players at all.
And obviously no offense to you, primussux
i know those were quotes from dolphins fans
We ARE desparate!
Hopefully, these are fans who don’t know what they are talking about.
your name is so fitting ;)
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its just stupid
the fact is, other than the few that are just flat out ridiculous talents, most players are VERY VERY close in ability, they just need the right coaching
Parcells wouldnt send in a trade players he planned to cut, he mustve felt it could help Scott, while getting a pick in return, he wouldnt fleece his son in law, regardless of how hardcore he is…he wouldve just said to look elsewhere
and to me
those quotes say it all anyone thinking brian waters was part of the trade for those two players is severely uninformed.
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