Rumor of a Failed Trade Between the Chiefs and Lions
by Chris Thorman on Aug 23, 2009 7:13 PM CDT
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When the Kansas City Chiefs drafted safety DaJuan Morgan with their second pick of the third round in 2008, many of us were puzzled, or at least unsure of where Morgan fit with the '08 Chiefs. ChiefDJ had a few thoughts on DaJuan Morgan on that day way back in the spring of 2008:
Morgan I dont know much about. He’s either going to be a 3rd Safety or a Nickel CB. He played CB alot in college.
What I'm reading about Morgan on NFL.com is that he is raw, but has a ton of potential with good coaching (and you know how Herm likes coaching his DBs). But that he is also a very good special teams player. As bad as Special Teams were for the Chiefs last year, if they can get a good ST player that will also develop into a good player in the future, it might end up being worth it.
And as we sit on the verge of the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs season, we're still not exactly sure what, if anything, to do with DaJuan Morgan.
And apparently, neither does the Kansas City Chiefs coaching staff. The rumor (and I stress rumor) is that they tried to trade him to the Lions.
More details, after the jump.
The word on the street (by that I mean those pathways outside of my apartment building) is that after the Detroit Lions first preseason game, Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli offered Lions head coach Jim Schwartz a 4th round pick for DaJuan Morgan.
Schwartz didn't bite. Former Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham now holds that position in Detroit. Presumably, the Chiefs went to the Lions with this trade because of Gunther's presence and the team still said no.
And our rumor stands as that - just a rumor. No more, no less. But let's use this as a jumping off point to discuss what DaJuan Morgan is worth on the trade market. If anything.
Morgan saw limited action last season as a rookie and nobody expected him to jump in and make a huge impact right away. But he left very little impact last season, from the secondary to special teams. The guy just wasn't worthy of a third round pick. At all.
Which is why, if this rumor is true, that I'm not surprised that Jim Schwartz didn't accept what would have been an outrageous trade for Morgan. A one round trade deduction for a player who hasn't started a game and missed the majority of 2009's training camp practices? I can't blame Detroit for saying no.
Let's say the Kansas City Chiefs were trying to trade DaJuan Morgan. What do you think his trade value is on the open NFL market?
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One year removed from being a third round pick...
he’s definitely worth SOMETHING. I’d be disappointed if we just cut him. He has a lot of raw talent.
Let me get this straight...
draft them in the 3rd and trade them for a 4th? Sounds like Herm’s mentality.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Yes, I know Pioli is offering it up...
still taking a guy in round 3 that the worst team in football won’t give up a 4th rounder for underscores Herm’s incompetence.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Draft Position Doesn't Really Mean Anything For A Player's Value After He's Drafted
Except to the team that drafted him. To some fans, he’s worth more than a 4th rounder because our team gave up a third-rounder to get him. To every other team in the NFL, he’s a guy who wasn’t even much of a factor on special teams and was considered so expendable on defense that the team brought in an old injury prone vet to play ahead of him. Not a lot of teams are going to pay a 3rd rounder for that.
To me it’s just par for the course for the Carl Peterson era of player evaluation. He got about 1-2 decent or better players a year out of most drafts, and that’s pretty pathetic. For myself, I’d much rather have had Jeremy Zuttah on the team than DaJuan Morgan considering how bad the o-line was, but apparently Morgan was ranked higher on their board, which should tell us just how good they were at putting together a draft board.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Agreed, I'm just taking yet another cheap shot at Herm.
I swear, he drafted as though we hadn’t given up anything for those 3rd round picks. Like we were just miracled them.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
I Blame Herm For On-Field Stuff
And Carl Peterson for all the drafts. Herm might have had some input with defensive backs (by far his biggest, and probably only, strength as a coach), but I’m pretty sure that Carl Peterson was the one responsible for the debacles our drafts all too often were. The 1-2 decent players a year thing preceded Herm by a long stretch…going all the way back to Peterson’s days in Philadelphia, in fact.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
More convieient to blame Herm...
I’m an American, I like an easy scapegoat.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
That's Why Carl Kept His Job For So Long
Much easier to pawn off the blame on the guy the fans see every week instead of the guy who’s actually responsible for pulling the trigger on draft picks and signing the free agent busts to horrible contracts.
All I’ve got to say is that it wasn’t Herm or Vermeil who signed an injury-prone 31-year old Priest Holmes to a five year contract.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Loved Priest Holmes.
I’d’ve used limited cap money for a position of more need, once that o-line was built. Priest was great, but that was a situation in which any number of RBs would’ve prospered. Too much to give up for an RB, especially when they were makin’ poor man’s choices at corner during that stretch, imo.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I Was A Fan Of Holmes Too
But the fact remains that age 31 is when all RBs fall off a cliff production-wise and Peterson gave him a contract after an injury-plagued season that took him four years past that age and paid him like he was still a star. It was an incredibly stupid contract for any GM to hand out and any GM that does so deserves to lose his job because RB production is a trend that any GM who knows anything about football should be able to spot easily.
It’s a perfect example of why the Chiefs haven’t won a playoff game since 1994. Hopefully new management will be smarter about their spending…and so far it looks like they are (even though I still think they should have signed Jason Brown this offseason).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
It is Herm's fault...
…that I have a rash.
Seriously, it is the new “Herm-Induced-Anxiety-Rash”.
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because they're trading Morgan doesn't mean he won't end up being a good player
But right now he’s the odd man out on the roster. Largely because he was out injured for the entirety of training camp and had no chance to compete with Brown for a roster spot.
If Herm was still around, theres a good chance Morgan could have blossomed like the majority of the rest of the secondary players on the roster did.
Haley has no interest in Herms project players so he becomes expendable.
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He Might End Up Being Good Somewhere
But for the Chiefs I’m pretty sure he’s not going to end up doing much for us…not with Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, Mike Brown and Jon McGraw apparently ahead of him on the depth chart.
If Herm was still around, theres a good chance Morgan could have blossomed like the majority of the rest of the secondary players on the roster did.
Maybe, but who really wanted to sit through a 1 win season to find out? :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
lol just saying
And I agree with you, theres no room on the roster for him.
Once they brought Brown in, Morgan was going to have to earn his roster spot somehow and he ended up sitting all training camp.
Its a shame, but theres only so many roster spots.
http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com
And an upgrade is an upgrade.
What I’ve been hearin’ about Brown suggests he might not be that much of an upgrade.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
This guy is awful
I dont blame the Lions for saying no he sucks and I dont care that he has missed most of traning camp the way he played aginst the Vikes shows why the said no! Mike Brown sucks too!
by A true chiefs fan on Aug 23, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions
Nothing lost for Pioli to make an offer like that.
But you have to figure everyone knows he’s likely to be released, and the Lions would have first crack at him.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I'm all for a trade but don't see it happening
I specifically remember posting on here a month or so ago about trading thigpen and asking people what they thought they could get for him. Everyone told me I was an idiot because people knew we would be cutting him and would not get anything. So why are we talking about trade value for dajuan morgan again!?!? Hes getting cut.
On a side note I would keep Thigpen on the roster till we can trade him (some qb will get hurt either in preseason or the start of the regular season). We could keep 4 qbs on the roster to make this happen or let Gutierrez clear waivers to the practice squad till we need him
That's what I think
And Pioli’s trying to move him, but obviously having some trouble.
Trading Thigpen is a sensitive subject around here at times because I think there are good arguments from both sides. It’s a tough call (if trading him is even an option).
by Joel Thorman on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pioli would be a genius
if he got a 5th for him.. Next year is going to be a big draft for us
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I'm sure the Lions figure
that if we’re offering him in a trade we’ll probably end up cutting him and they can get him for free (if they want him).
The math is easy. We have Page, Pollard, Brown and McGraw. McGraw isn’t going anywhere because of his special teams ability. Brown is a guy they like for leadership. Morgan has sat out the entire training camp.
Not tough to figure he’s the odd man out.
http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com
lets hope
Pioli can get another team interested so the Lions up the ante.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Don't count on ST saving McGraw's bacon.
All things being equal, ST tips the scales, but if there’s a better player for the regular defense, McGraw is gone like a gallon of gas in a full-sized SUV.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I don't think so
Every team has a handful of guys that are there because Special Teams is their primary position. How often does the 4th string safety see the field anyway?
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Trade him for 2 camels and a bag of Doritos.
Nothing like beer and Doritos when watching a Chiefs game.
The Camels? Well camels are just funny.
The tobacco's kinda dry. They burn up real fast, and cauterize the inside of your mouth.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Cottam is next
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions
Well, if the damn TEs would learn how to block, they wouldn't have to worry about their jobs.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Was Cottam having troble with that too?
I know Ryan was struggling but Cottam is 260lbs, he should be good at that.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't see it...
This is the time of year when teams are cutting players, to trim their rosters down…not the time of year when trades are usually made. All the talk of trading Thigpen, Croyle, Morgan, etc…is just that (I believe), talk. And wishful thinking.
Unless they’re an obvious starter…any other player on the “trade block” at this point will likely be out of a job pretty soon, anyway. Teams know this. I’d be blown away shocked if we got anything for anyone at this point. We’d like to think we could get something for those guys Haley will deem “expendable”…but I don’t see it happening.
Agree 100%
Theres no one on our trade block that owners will deem worthy of a pick when they know they can just wait for them to be cut.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
That's one of the good things about sucking.
The next couple weeks can actually improve your roster dramatically. :o|
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I WONDER IF GUN ........
is interested in McBride?
Seriously, the thought had crossed my mind.
He’d want to put him back on fried chicken and steroids, though, figurin’ the weight loss experiment ruint the boy.
Sentimentally, I want McBride to make the 53. And I just think he could be instrumental in victory down the road.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
r u kidding me...
What should i expect when some of you said that haley would only keep Brodie and Cassell on the roster as our QB. Cottam will not be cut for sure. Did you see how mike brown played on fri. Maybe on thurs DuJuan was worried about a roster spot, but I would say know that he isnt. Also If Pioli was trying for a 4th I doubt he would cut him. Same with McBride. I would be shocked if any of them our cut. Cottam and Morgan will be on the roster. Maybe McBride goes. I think Brown may be the one to go. Haley isnt gonna keep someone just for leadership if they cant contribute in some way.
Why is everyone picking on Brown?
Morgan got burned for a 50 yd touchdown on one play, later got burned on a 20 yd pass which he was flagged for illegal contact but the guy caught it anyway.
I want Morgan to do well but he just isn’t showing it yet.
http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com
expected
I figured he might get cut, nice to see them trying to get SOMETHINg
but, Morgan as well as Turk Mcbride will either be dealt or cut…there is just no room especially for turk
Also, I still feel Thiggy gets dealt…
thats quite a bit of activity.
Thigpen for Parish.
Morgan for a 7
Mcbride gets cut
sadly a lot of recent draft picks down the drain.
I feel like McBride makes a 4-man rotation at OLB.
Refresh my memory. Who, other than Hali, Studebaker, Vrabel are ahead of him?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
nobody
I think the rotation is Hali/McBride and Brabel/Studebaker
Pierre Walters is about the only guy listed at OLB, other than Vince Redd
I haven’t heard too much about either
We are all pulling for Pierre, so I wouldn’t mind if he made it, and Turk was cut or traded.
Redd was brought in by Pioli… so who knows
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
When they picked Morgan last year
I was pretty stunned. I had no idea who the hell he was. In many ways, I still don’t know.
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
The Lions gotta be the wrong team being mentioned
It would make no sense for the Lions to express interest in anyone that they thing is likely to be cut. They have first priority on waivers, ergo, there is no reason they would even consider trading for a guy that they know is gonna be cut otherwise (at least not now that Matt Millen is gone).
It could be entirely possible that we would shop him to another team that is low on the waiver priority and if an offer was sent to Detroit, it is probably smoke by Pioli to make it seem like the Lions would otherwise be interested in Morgan if he is cut so that he all of a sudden has leverage with a team that would lose out on the waivers to Detroit. Because the art of deception is the Pioli Way.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
morgan 2nd rated safety in draft
djaun morgan was the 2nd rated safety in the entire draft class and has not been seeing much time in this camp because he has been injured and not practicing.but to say he’s not worth crap is plain stupid.mike brown gave up one of those long pass plays not morgan not until the second half he wasnt even playing.
Maybe you're the cooler head among us.
Appreciate the history lesson that I forgot. But that was then. What I’m hearing (been using my eyes mostly for looking at trenches, at not very well at that) is that Morgan didn’t look all that great. But the point about the injury issues in camp cuts both ways.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
that's true
Morgan was a highly rated safety, and thought to be a steal or at least a good value in the 3rd round…. kinda like Washington this year….
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Let me get this rumor right....??...
I thought Pioli holds his cards close to his vest, and nothing leaks out.
So this must be an attempt to just create discussion, ’coz one more weekend for opening kickoff.
Plus if Morgan can play ST, he’s got a spot just like MONTY.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
Plus why would you trade a player only in his second year....
over a player like McGraw (who is primarly a special teamer) and Brown a 10 year veteran who has only played in 26 games out of 48. Pioli is hoping that Brown turns out to be another Rodney Harrison when NE landed him after SD.
I would let Morgan play out his contract, and see if he really is a bust. Rather than just try and unload him for some mediocre pick, or just flat out release him in favor of older veterans.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Aug 24, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's 90% about playing regular offense/defense.
Any ties are resolved in the special teamer’s favor, of course, but the emphasis on special teams this year is crowding more on the side of pressing regular D and O players into service than just keeping a guy because he runs the field well.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Am I the only one who noticed the wording?
Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli offered Lions head coach Jim Schwartz a 4th round pick for DaJuan Morgan
KC’s 4th for Lion’s Dajuan Morgan…
yeah, I had to read that a couple times
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
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