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Guys you will be surprised won't make the final roster

As we are approaching time time of year where teams are cutting their rosters down, I think there might be some surprises in Chiefs land.

Brad Cottam - Cottam was drafted as a developmental project to be the heir apparent to Tony Gonzalez.  But Haley's offenses historically don't use a tight end in the receiving game that much and he doesn't seem all that interested in the former regimes project plaeyrs.  Cottam has been dropping down the depth chart towards the end of training camp and his work ethic has been questioned.  Don't be surprised if O'Connell or Ryan end up making the team over Cottam.


Bobby Engram - Engram is a "Haley guy", brought in exclusively to play the slot and add a veteran presence to the Chiefs receivers.  But he is 36 years old and has had a terrible camp and been just as guilty as the young guys of dropping the ball too much.  Now that Amani Toomer is on the team, having Engrams veteran presence isn't as important as it was.  Plus he doesn't play special teams.


Dantrell Savage - We all love this guy.  But lets face it, he's the odd man out.  The fact he has never been able to do much as a returner will be his downfall.  Haley has made it well known he likes Jackie Battle, who is a solid contributor on special teams.  That means our RBs will be LJ, Battle and Charles.  Don't feel bad Dantrell, Kolby Smith will be joining you once he comes off the PUP.


Quinten Lawrence - Drafted by Pioli, Haley is giving him every chance to succeed.  No other receiver on the team has been thrown to more than Lawrence, but no other receiver on the team has dropped more passes either.  He CLEARLY is afraid of getting hit.  They probably will put him on the practice squad, but unless he has a breakthru as a returner, he won't make the final 53.


DaJuan Morgan - Another guy Herm had big plans for.  Haley doesn't care about that.  Morgan was hurt all through camp, which means he didn't have the opportunity to impress Haley with his work ethic (if he has one).  In the meantime, they brought in Brown to backup Pollard and Page and provide a leadership role.  Jon McGraw is a core special teamer and Morgan has yet to do anything noticable on special teams.


Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen - Pioli likes "his" guys.  Like Cassel, Gutierrez is one of his guys (Gutierrez nearly beat Cassel out as Tom Bradys backup last preseason, wonder how differently things would have turned out if that had happened?).  Croyle has played well and seems to be locked in as Cassels backup, but his injury history is, as always, a huge concern with him.  Thigpen is the inferior QB on the roster, but he does have that knack for making things happen that could give him the edge.  The possibility of Thigpen being used in some sort of Slash role as a backup QB also could give him an edge.  However, I don't know if Haley sees as much value in that as he does in a reliable backup to Cassel that he wouldn't have to abandon his entire offensive scheme for (as the Chiefs had to do last year with Thigpen). 

And no, this isn't Madden.  Don't fool yourself into thinking we're going to trade Croyle or Thigpen for Brandon Marshall or even someones 7th round pick.  No one wants our scrubs when they have plenty of their own.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I wouldn't be too surprised by any of these

Lawrence I could see being put on the practice squad, probably not cut though. Engram could be cut, but I think we’d cut Darling or Copper before him.

by ajanzen on Aug 22, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

technically

they have to cut him, to sign him to the PS…
which makes them succeptible to other teams signing players the Chiefs wanted to keep

I think they still have plans for Lawrence. I agree that Copper and Darling should be the next 2 receivers cut… AFTER Rodney Wright

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm.....

savage and Mcgraw…. yeah i think i might have heard there name called once last year. Cut the garbage. Morgan never got a chance to play, and cottam (we have no other choice). Croyle and Thiggy stays, and one of the two wr’s stay….my guess ingram.

by Sea of RED on Aug 22, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

i don't see

thm keeping both croyle and thigpen…1 will be gone

by KCCheeze on Aug 22, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

McGraw?

You didn’t hear his name on his multiple special teams tackles each game?

by woodman212 on Aug 22, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree on cottam

i think he’s been doing better than ryan… i think the 2nd string thing was a message, like the one he sent to bowe, that drops won’t be tolerated.

by Vince D on Aug 22, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be a shame to cut Morgan and Cottam a year later

That means we traded Jared Allen for Albert straight up.

by KCScuba on Aug 23, 2009 12:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Not an awful trade...

But…I dont think that will happen anyway

by woodman212 on Aug 23, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not awful...

but a trade in which the Vikings got the upper hand.

However I’m with Wood, I don’t see Morgan and Cottam getting cut.

by BeijingKCfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with a couple but you missed a few

Cottam and Savage and Engram could be possible. i think they keep Kolby over Battle. The Guiterez qb goes before any of the other three. No way they get rid of Morgan yet. Mcbride might be gone. Wouldnt’ be suprised if they dropped Zach Thomas.

Of the subject, is it me or did the O-Line look horrible?. These qb’s better do a lot of cardio, because they are gonna be running for their lives when we play the NFC East Pitsburg, and Baltimore. Is anyone out their better than what the Chiefs have now?

by chiefskingfromcali on Aug 23, 2009 12:52 AM CDT reply actions  

What?

Kolby has not practiced live yet this entire calendar year, while Battle has played great. Kolby is a PUP candidate, that is what will likely happen with him…Why would they not get rid of Morgan? He has played horrid so far with little special teams upside….I agree on McBride, he will not survive….Zach Thomas will not be dropped, there is not reason to, we lose too much LB depth if he is. It is a perfect situation for him and us right now, veteran leadership with a promising breakthrough backup.

by woodman212 on Aug 23, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought about McBride as well

The reason I don’t think he will be cut is for backup / special teams purposes.

ROLB – Vrabel / Beisel

LILB – DJ / Belcher

RILB – Thomas / Mays (could end up vice versa)

ROLB – Hali / McBride

McBride is a Special Teams contributor as well. The only thing that could throw a wrench in the cog is if they decide to keep Studebaker over Hali. Haley seems to like Studebaker a lot.

http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com

by ChiefDJ on Aug 23, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

I meant keep Studebaker over McBride.

http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com

by ChiefDJ on Aug 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Studebaker

has been backing up Vrabel, from what I can tell.

i agree he makes the team, though.

just not sure who else makes the roster

McBride is on the bubble, IMO… but I haven’t heard enough about anyone else at that position that will beat him out. Pierre is the other guy on the depth chart there… that’d be cool if he made it

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mays

The way he’s been playing I would be insulted if he didn’t get a starting spot. That guy is a beast. He is the epitome of what Haley is SAYING he wants from his football players: A hard worker, gets after it every play, takes the one opportunity he’s been given and does the most with it. I have nothing against Thomas, but man if Mays doesn’t get a VERY hard look as the starter, I will be calling BS on this whole “open competition” thing.

"You can't polish a turd", old guy, Christine
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by mugglemage on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I AGREE BUT NOT COMPLETELY

I think Morgan will still get a chance. I could see Brown going over Morgan. Kolby v Battle, well Smith does seem to have the injury bug, so you could be right on that one. I just say Thomas because I think the bug has hit him to. But could see him on in the role you discussed. We will see a large portion cut soon so I am curious to see whose left and if we try to upgrade that pathetic O-Line.

by chiefskingfromcali on Aug 23, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wanna keep Brown.

I think Gunther paid ’em not to think, and a field general at Safety is in order.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yah i second woodman

Kolby is history, Battle has outplayed him on every level. Bye Kolby. I don’t think Goff will cut it. He hasn’t so far. Zach is injured. This sucks.

by krayfish on Aug 23, 2009 6:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Kolby is a solid all-around back who can find running room, when there isn't much.

But a HB coming off an achilles injury is VERY questionable. If he still has a burst, I say keep him. Unfortunately ZERO playing time in practice or preseason. Probably gone.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

PUP

from my understanding he doesn’t count against the roster, so he may be safe for 6 weeks

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 24, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cottam (dropping balls and NOT too effective blocking), Engram, Savage. Yup. I feel that way, too.

I would add Dion Gales, Jackie Bates, DaJuan Morgan to that list, but I don’t think anybody’s surprised by that. One that MIGHT surprise is Derrick Johnson, who’s been semi-disappointing. I’m also less than impressed with what I’ve been seeing from Hali, though he seems to have an inside track, and plenty of sweat equity. Great motor, unique physical toolkit, but doesn’t seem to be all that aware of what’s going on around him. McBride plays smarter than Hali (imo), but doesn’t seem to have the athleticism. But I’d almost rather have a smart, slower guy, that I can work into a solid team defense.

On Gutsy-errez, I wonder just why he didn’t beat out Cassel in NE, and who New England got that they felt they could part ways with him after Cassel’s departure. They’re working in some a new lineman or two on that right side of theirs, but if it doesn’t start gellin’ for ’em, Brady might not last long this year, either.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

When I say Derrick Johnson may surprise, I mean that, after all the love goin' around early,

I’m not at all certain he makes the squad. He might be a different player with Thomas directing traffic. Thomas is one that would surprise me if he’s gone, but I’m having a hard time rationalizing his being sidelined in preseason. But maybe it was a package deal. He’d put in the hours in OTAs and Vrabel would work himself into things while Thomas took a break. Oops. Rationalizing again…

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

what?

You’re “not at all certain” that DJ “makes the squad”???

that’s like saying I’m not certain Branden Albert makes the squad.

DJ is in, and playing well, as is Hali.

I think we were watching different games…I’m pumped about both of those guys.

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't watching him that close. Same game, looking for different things.

I’ve been trying to decipher substitution sequences on the d-line and how each of those guys is doing. Then I’m on to OLB, which kinda goes with d-line. I haven’t zeroed in on DJ, yet, and I was making the mistake of just passing on the word of others as gospel. About the only defense I have is I tend to see things the same as the guys who were sayin’ DJ disappeared. But here YOU are sayin’ he’s doin’ fine, and I respect YOUR eye.

So, I’ll just have to look for his number next time I look at the last couple games, and break down the MLB. Mays and Belcher are the only MLBs who stood out for me in MIN game, penetrating and hitting people.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

DJ

vs Houston, I thought he was all over the field making plays.

He was a little quieter vs the Vikings…

He was involved in the couple of big plays that ended up being TDs for Minn… but, I think he was coming over to cover for Belcher both times.

Belcher seems to be making plays in the running game, but not so good in coverage… kinda like Pollard, Page, ZT, Mays, Hali, Studebaker…. yeah, that could be an issue.

I think the defense has been getting good pressure, led by Mays and Hali… even if they don’t get sacks, they are hurrying the QB… which will make this a much better defense.

I’m really expecting a100+ tackle season for DJ and 10+ sack season for Hali.

We’ll see what happens.

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Filed away for future reference.

My take on Hali thus far has been “low football IQ.” Hope I’m wrong.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cut Mike Brown...

dude can’t play anymore. Getting beat far too many times.

Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

He better be playing special teams because so far he sure as hell can't play safety

Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brown

I think he HAS been playing special teams….

but, more importantly, Morgan looked way worse than Brown, IMO.

Actually, McGraw can’t really play safety so well, either…

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

McGraw is on the team as a Special Teams guy

That’s always been his strong suit. He’s an average safety, but when you’re the #4 safety on the team, thats about what you expect out of him. Average safety, great special teamer.

http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com

by ChiefDJ on Aug 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

must hide the great ST players somewhere on a 53 man roster

and the coordinators need to hide them better on the field of play when necessary

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 23, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW THIS DUDE REALLY SAID CUT DJ....AND HALI IS NOT A STARTER?

Wow last time i checked there was no raidier fans allowed seriously. Hali is his first year playing a LB give him a chance. You mean to tell me McBride is better? get out of here. Hali lost weight hes improving his speed and last time i checked brett farve knew his name. As for DJ ok so DJ is not the next DT like we all wanted. But thats not the reason to look down on him. He showed up a little out of shape to camp thats fine (so did glenn dorsey and we still keep his bum ass). DJ is learning how to play a 3-4. Hes gonna come around hes learning new blitz paterns and coverage. Give him time with vrabel and Thomas and they will take care of him.

I do agree Brown needs to go you keep McGraw though hes beast on special teams theres no doubt about it. And hes not to bad when we need him in the nickel package.

I say cut McBride and keep Studebaker any day of the week. Engram can go though we could pick him back up later from free agency if we need him lol. Morgan buh bye bum. Bates should have been gone.

As qbs go Guiterez buh bye also you can’t score at the 1 yardline come on dude. PUMP FAKE PULL THE CBS OFF ANYTHING BUT WHAT YOU DID AND LEARN TO THROW OVER THE TOP I HEARD THE COWBOYS MIGHT NEED A NEW BACKUP THAT LOOKS IN UR FUTURE.

by Kcchiefsownuson on Aug 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Despite your failure to find the "reply" link, I'll assume you're responding to me, since I'm the only one with the sheer audacity...

to question Hali’s football IQ. And I’m not basing it on a HUGE amount of data. Just my impressions, which I stated above. You needn’t shout, just because you disagree. From all that’s been said (much of it by ME in previous weeks), Hali seems like close to a sure thing on the 53-man cuts. But what I saw was a good/great athlete who definitely has a football body, but he seems slow to react or unable to anticipate, whatever. His body and Turk’s brain would be just what I’d want from the transition players DE-to-OLB.

Look at the Houston game. As the LB trailing the play, his responsibility is to prevent the cutback. But he got it in his head to not be beaten in the pursuit and ran himself right out of the play, like what he’s doing has nothing to do with what’s happening on the field. Look at the near-sack of Favre in the MIN game. His body put him in perfect position to make the sack, but his singlemindedness had him still pushing the left tackle, with Favre standing right next to him.

GREAT! He BEAT the LT decisively! But beating the LT is a means to an end – KILL THE QB – not an end unto itself. What I see is a great athlete with tunnel vision, and on the plays described, the only difference between his current role and his prior role as DE was he started the play without having a hand in the dirt. I’d’ve had the same ’plaint about a DE who did what he did.

I agree on Studebaker. Not tremendously flashy, but you get the sense that he knows where he’s supposed to be and isn’t going to run himself out of plays. But I don’t know if there’s enough talent behind Studebaker (and Hali) to be too hasty about releasing McBride. But quality LB is JUST the kind of player one expects to show up after roster cuts, especially with all the high draft picks at that position.

I’ll have to look at Brown again. Most of what I say about him is based on the style of secondary play under Cunningham (before AND after Tampa-2), and Brown’s reputation as a field general. Haven’t really focused in on him (or had many opportunities to, with all the shitty camera angles), to see if he’s still physically capable of holding down the position.

Gutsy-errez is a tough call. With a struggling o-line in short yardage on the short field, it’s hard for anybody to look good. Much as I like Thiggy in those situations, I remember the feeling of futility last season, when you KNEW the fade was about the only thing that even had a chance. With this O-Line as currently composed, you almost have to roll the QB out, and hope something opens up. No headway up the gut.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hali has played two games at that position...

Give him a break…lol

No chance DJ is cut nor sidelined…

by woodman212 on Aug 23, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

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