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Kansas City Chiefs' running back Jackie Battle is stopped on a one-yard dive by Minnesota Vikings' linebacker Jasper Brinkley (54) and safety Husain Abdullah (39) during the second half of a NFL preseason football game, Friday, Aug. 21, 2009 in Minneapolis. The Vikings won 17-13. (AP Photo/Paul Battaglia)

Foremost on that list is an aggressive defense that was able to get pressure on Minnesota quarterback Brett Favre and ruin his Vikings debut. Minnesota was unable to gain a first down in Favre’s two possessions.

The defense didn’t fare as well against Favre’s successor, Tarvaris Jackson, who led the Vikings on a 15-play, 92-yard touchdown drive in the second quarter.

Chiefs come up short in a 17-13 loss to the Vikings from KC Star

Are the Chiefs any closer to finding out just what kind of team they are going to become?

The locker room consensus from the Metrodome was no on offense, closer on defense and still looking in the kicking game, although rookie kicker Ryan Succop has established that he could be the real deal when it comes to putting boot to ball.

Search For Identity Continues from Bob Gretz

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What we learned

Cassel is capable of moving the offense, doing something four consecutive times Friday that he couldn’t do once last week against Houston: get the Chiefs past the 50-yard line. But if Friday was an indication of the challenges Cassel will face in 2009, Kansas City’s offensive line will cause him plenty of headaches. He was sacked once in the first half, and had to scramble far too often.

Chiefs Blitz: A look at the good, the bad and the ugly from KC Star

The Chiefs didn’t sack Favre, or either of the Vikings’ two other passers, but linebackers Corey Mays and Tamba Hali took turns knocking down Favre in his limited appearance Friday.

It was the most encouraging flash from a group of linebackers put together and emphasized after last year’s unit couldn’t do much more than spend time on the injured list.

Chiefs’ linebackers make a good impression in loss to Vikings from KC Star

Now 0-2 in the pre-season, the Chiefs play on both offense and defense lacked consistency. While still experimenting on offense, they were able to move the ball at times but lacked a real killer punch. They also turned the ball over twice on fumbles. Defensively, they made Brett Favre’s first game in a purple uniform miserable, but after that they had trouble stopping the Vikings offense.

The Other Guy Beats the Chiefs, 17-13 from Bob Gretz

There’s no such thing as an offensive-line controversy. Either you have a good one or you don’t. There’s no one standing on the sideline who can fix a broken line.

Short of Willie Roaf and Will Shields pulling a Brett Favre, it appears the Chiefs will go the entire 2009 season with a below-average line opening holes for Larry Johnson and protecting Matt Cassel.

Shoddy offensive line will hold Chiefs back from KC Star

KC Star Photo Gallery: Chiefs fall to Vikings 17-13 in Favre's debut

1. There's nowhere to hide. Considering all the love and instant devotion shown to Brett Favre Friday night in Minneapolis by so many Minnesota Vikings fans willing to forgive and forget, Corey Mays' introduction to the 39-year-old quarterback midway through the first quarter probably was a fair and appropriate counter-weight.

Brought him and everybody else in the place right down to Earth. Hard.

What I Learned: Fans Embrace Once-Reviled Favre in Vikes Debut from SI

Honestly, I hate to impugn the 10 other Chiefs who lined up with Cassel for a half. Football is the ultimate team game. But there’s no question about it – Cassel was the driving force. He was the engine that made the offense go, that directed two scoring drives.

Cassel Succeeds Despite Chiefs from WPI

 

So Favre’s night was done. He was one of four for four yards passing. In two possessions, he led the Vikings to 14 yards on seven plays. Favre took at least two big hits from the Chiefs defense.

Favre’s big night in the Twin Cities was no explosion. It was a fuse that never got lit.

Favre Mania Fizzles from Bob Gretz

It was a startling scene to behold. Seeing souvenir stands inside the building selling Favre merchandise would be like seeing street vendors in Gotham City peddling Joker masks.

Favre welcomed heartily in Minnesota from KC Star

But Favre’s Vikings debut was hardly memorable. He quarterbacked the Vikings for seven plays and had little to show for them other than perhaps some nasty bruises courtesy of Chiefs linebacker Corey Mays.

In Favre’s Vikings debut, the rust is obvious from KC Star

"After that last hit I thought maybe I would wait until next week," said Favre. "We [tossed] around playing period and how risky it would be after two-and-a-half days, even though I know the offense for [the] most part. There is no way I can be in condition so I am sure after Brad (Childress) saw me get hit on that last one, he and I weren’t too eager to go back in."

Chiefs Liked the Favre Frenzy from Bob Gretz

Not surprisingly, fans of Favre said his departure was out of his control and pinned the blame on general manager Ted Thompson.

But those who identified themselves as loyal to the Packers weren’t quick to point the finger at Favre. Some forgave Favre, some didn’t. The same was true for those who weren’t huge fans of the Packers.

Measuring Green Bay fans’ ability to forgive Favre from KC Star

Favre's night ended with a jarring hit by Chiefs linebacker Corey Mays, who buried his head in the 39-year-old's chest as he drove him into the turf to force an errant throw. Favre got up and walked off fine, his purple No. 4 jersey — such a strange sight, for sure — pulled down and exposing his left shoulder pad.

"He did tell me that no one's tackled him off his tractor," coach Brad Childress said. "Good for him to get hit."

Nervous Favre debuts for Vikes, who beat Chiefs from The (other) AP

Others are practicing their goodbyes. Wright, the Chiefs’ equipment manager, is one of only a handful of people in the organization to have spanned the entire 19 years in River Falls. He made friends here. "Having us here never got old to them," he says.

Moore is another who has been here the whole time. He says he’s bringing home two of the red signs that have hung on the town’s street lamps for parts of the past 19 years, the ones welcoming visitors to the summer home of the Chiefs. Moore says one of the signs is for the Chiefs museum he’s putting together at Arrowhead Stadium, and the other is for his personal collection.

"I’ve enjoyed every day of it," Moore says. "A small town where people are crazy about your team."

Chiefs leave a few broken hearts as they part ways with River Falls, Wis. from KC Star

Following is a breakdown of the ten best seasons in the history of the Dallas Texans and the Kansas City Chiefs.

And Happy Golden Anniversary to the Kansas City Chiefs’ franchise!

KC Chiefs 101: What are the Chiefs' 10 best season's in the team's 49-year history from Examiner.com

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ToonIcon Lost by 4..... Hate not winning when the ball on the freakn 1yd line!!!!!! Much Improvements Needed. Me included.

Media and Fans

kb_kcstar I'm thinking the Chiefs' offensive line is going to be a major liability this year. On the last drive: 2 sacks, 1 false start, 1 holding.

kb_kcstar The good news: I think the Chiefs have seen the end of Adrian Peterson. The bad news: Not before he started a 93-yard touchdown drive.

JoshLooney thriller in the dome, but chiefs fall 17-13...came down to fourth and 1 on the final play of the game...couldn't put it in

mitchholthus Enuf to build on 2nite...long march

MNSportsCrap: Chiefs' Charles looked pretty good at RB and Cassel looked good running then throwing.

hylj: Wow my Chiefs looking almost worser then my grammer!

Marc_Bertrand: Glad that Matt Cassel showed up last night for KC. I don't think anybody around here wants to see that guy fail. #Chiefs #NFL

andy00jones: Chiefs lost last night, so sad cuz they were so close!

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Thanks for this. eom

"When I first got here," said Missouri coach Mike Anderson, "it was 20 minutes of hell and 20 minutes of what the hell are you doing?"

by tigers and chiefs fan on Aug 22, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Definitely.

I want to say thanks to, NJ, again for continuing to do these.

They are pretty awesome.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride

Future Mrs. DTR

Dark matter...each pound of which weighs 10,000 pounds.

by DThomasReigns on Aug 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

No problem

tough on the weekends if I’m hungover (safe today).

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, seriously.

How friggin long does it take to gather all of these? I couldn’t even make it through whole Cliff Notes version….
Thanks, this is awesome.

by Keyser Sose on Aug 22, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Today's

was a little over an hour of trolling the web for news. I try to sift out most of the crap/ repeat stuff.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice LJ
ToonIcon Lost by 4….. Hate not winning when the ball on the freakn 1yd line!!!!!! Much Improvements Needed. Me included.

by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 22, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

He said the right thing.

But we all know he really meant, “I would have punched that shit in.”

Cantaloupe? More like wontaloupe. Lazy ass melons.

by cucuybird on Aug 22, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I need to get laid.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 22, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah last year Bob was all up Petersons ass

and we see how that worked out.

Let’s hope he is as right this year as he was that Herms plan would work.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Aug 22, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Charles fumble

I don’t know if I saw it right. I thought on the one time they showed the replay of charles fumble all by himself that a viking actually reached out and tripped him as he went around the corner. If that is the case wasn’t he down before the fumble?? Someone that has DVR can probaly tell me. I know I know he needs to hang on to the rock regardless but I was screaming at my set to challenge it. Like I said they only showed it once so maybe I didn’t see it right and the announcers didn’t say anything about it either.

by birddaug on Aug 22, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Charles needs a swift kick to the balls.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Aug 22, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought i saw teh same thing...

Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Aug 22, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

I thought he got tripped up too.

by Chiefsfan85 on Aug 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

O Line

continues to be a problem. Looked like they left Richardson out there most of the game to gain experience. I hope he gels so sakintosh isn’t the best RT we have. Haley didn’t look pleased with guy-check (not even gonna try to spell it lol) after the penalty. Pulled him for the night after that. Thought Taylor was better than he has showed this year. Not even a quality back up at this point

by birddaug on Aug 22, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for putting the time in on these

Best way for me to see what everyone is saying.

I’m really not looking forward to talking about the o-line for the next 2 weeks. It was a problem that I was hoping I could just ignore and it would go away.

Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Aug 22, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll Admit It

Ryan Succop has looked pretty good so far. Still, let’s see what happens over the course of the season. Three field goal attempts isn’t a particularly big sample size.

I liked Cassel’s performance and I liked the Chiefs’ pass rush last night…they were constantly in Favre’s face. Corey Mayes actually looked like the best LB out there to my mind…wonder if he might be a diamond in the rough. I’ve still got major concerns about our offensive line, though, especially after last night when they looked terrible against a defensive line that was two men down (and missing their best player).

Of course it’s still preseason though and if there’s one thing that 20 years of watching pro football has taught me it’s that preseason doesn’t mean anything.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.

by UCrawford on Aug 22, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

nice!

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 22, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Great job accumulating all this info! Really appreciate it!!!

You are what your record says you are!

by Chief_Elmo on Aug 22, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Second pre-season game down and we have a clear perspective on where the weaknesses are.

That’s what pre-season is for. Overall, there’s no denying that we have a better team from the players to the coaches. O-line will be addressed by Sept.2. We have other weaknesses to be sure, but coaching and practice can help with most of it. What ails the O-line can only be cured by better personnel. I will be shocked if we start the regular season with this crew.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Aug 22, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Hope so

All offseason I’ve been worried because Pioli has not appeared to do anything to improve the OL especially when it appeared that Waters might be gone. It’s not like it’s a surprise that this line sucks. However, I do have faith in Pioli and have assumed that all along he’s had a plan on how to address it. He didn’t even try with the draft. So, now’s the time. I assume that just like those of us studying up for our fantasy draft, he is studying many players on other teams and waiting for them to become available. I think the next 2 weeks will be very interesting. I agree with you that no amount of coaching will fix this line, it needs new personnel.

I also hope he addresses TE from the outside.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It was a big question mark up to now, but like all other positions, I think they wanted to give these guys a fair shot and to evaluate them extensively. I think it’s fairly obvious now, McIntosh should have stayed in that tornado (along with a few others).

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Aug 22, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not so sure about TE, receiving-wise

I din’t think they have a large role in the pass game, and as for blocking, they don’t have much support to link to. Just sayin’

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Aug 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked the shot

of Hali on the sidelines, tryin’ to fire up the D.

Succop’s sample size may be small, but it’s got positives. How long has it been since we had a kicker who could consistently put it in the end zone on kickoffs?

I’m a fan of Thiggy, but Gutty’s turned up the heat there. TT had better get his feces coagulated, or he’s gone.

As preseason games go, this was one of the better ones to watch. Go Chiefs!

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Aug 22, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

"Feces coagulated?"

Nice. Never heard it put that way, but I’m digging it. As far as Thiggy, I believe he’s gone. Yes, he is exciting, but I don’t think he’s going to be around. If Pioli was smart, he’d try to deal him now. However, like Joel said, we need to showcase what he brings to the game. I’m sure a lot of teams would be interested in grabbing him maybe for a 4th round or so. My heartburn with that is, nothing next year is going to help us this year (unless they package and deal picks this year).

Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce

by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade Thigpen

and get an OL

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 22, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

QB Cassel looked good out there, Croyle and Guit, looked pretty good from what I saw.

RB I think it’s gonna be harder deciding who to cut than anything looks nice and deep there IF they can learn to hang onto the ball, anyone else think LJ might be cut if these young guys keep lookin that good?

WR I wouldn’t say we’re set there but it looks like a very serviceable group at worst.

TE maybe it’s just watchin Gonzo forever but these guys suck

OL Albert LT I’m sure he’ll be fine, I’d move niswanger to LG and Waters to C, maybe that’d solidify the line on the left side from Center over, I’d give Brown a chance at starting RG, and Bring in Jones for RT and pick up another vet and give McIntosh the boot.

DL I’d give these young guys a year they look like they’re gonna be awesome

LB they’re lookin good right now, I’d draft more rounds 3-6 next year for depth.

CB set there for years

Safety Set there as well

Next years draft, OT, C, LB, WR, TE, KR/PR, NT, DE

by mcclanahanman on Aug 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

LJ cut ?

What game did you watch ?

by GHOST OF DT on Aug 22, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought about LJ cut/trade

I wouldn’t say he was great last night what was it 20 yards on 8 carries and 18 of those on one run? I know the OL sucks but seemed like we got more production from the other backs…………more fumbles too….which sucks. I just wonder when you see him rip his chin strap off when he is taken out on a down how much of his attitude is waiting for the payday of being on roster day one. Not trying to be a hater here but like what Battle shows and don’t feel that is much of a drop off in production and maybe no drop off with a better attitude for the team. If LJ shows enough positives in preseason that someone anyone would be willing to make a trade that works for us I say go for it. Just one opinion.

by birddaug on Aug 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were stopping LJ early but...

If he keeps hammering them like that for a whole game, it pays dividends in the 4th quarter. Minnesota is VERY good against the run and he still broke a a big one against them. LJ WILL be our workhorse back this year and he will put up respectable yardage. He always gets stopped early in games but, finds a way to break off big runs as the games progress.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 22, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he still broke a a big one against them

that was their 2nd team D

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 22, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Battle is quick and big. He and Charles also have issues in ball protection.

I like both those guys, but LJ is durable and reliable on that front, which is especially important early in games, when d-lines are all fresh, the o-line hasn’t felt its way to what works, and your RB is gettin’ smacked by widebodies.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Game

My impressions were: Goff was disappointing. R Tackle still a weakness. D Morgan won’t make this team. The Viking announcer team are smelly pirate hookers and need to go back to there home on whore Island. D line looked good, the starters that is. The Vikings are a much deeper team than we are at most positions. Matt can really scramble. Brodie CAN take a hit. We played a team most expect to challenge for the super bowl and pretty much held our own in there house. Improved from last game ,except for o line. Did i mention Goff really sucked last night. Our r side of oline needs an upgrade. Should be first priority.

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Aug 22, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

On Hali's hit,

if he’d been less interested in pushing the tackle around, he might’ve had the sack.

It was this sort of “Push push push – oh yeah! The QB! Guess I’ll hit him.”

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing.

He’ll get an earfull during the film session.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stupid sports writers

“Cassel is capable of moving the offense, doing something four consecutive times Friday that he couldn’t do once last week against Houston”

What do you expect when he throws only 5 times and 2 of them are great passes dropped!! IDIOTS!!

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by JChief on Aug 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Everyone should be held accountable - not just the QB

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by JChief on Aug 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

New and Improved.

I really liked the tweet that LJ had there. Much improvement needed. Me included. It’s not about the LJ show anymore, and is about the team. Way to go, LJ. I’m proud of you.

by BetterRedThanDead on Aug 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

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