Top Three Studs, Duds, & Scrubs after the Chiefs Second Preseason Game
1800 comments? In one preseason game, by a team most project will end the season under .500 and have no prayer of a playoff birth? Yes, in the second preseason game, in which the starters played less than a half, Arrowhead Pride racked up 1800 comments over the course of the entire game. You guys are animals for Chiefs talk, and I don't see a passion like that hardly anywhere on SB Nation's other NFL sites. Certainly nothing like 1800 comments stacked up over four open threads for a meaningless preseason game. No other Chiefs site on the internet can match that tenacity.
So in addition to being animals, you guys are also being treated to the most exciting rebuilding effort this town has seen in my young lifetime. I was nine years old when Schottenheimer drafted Derrick Thomas and changed this town. His rebuilding job was by far the most intriguing of the bunch up to this point; his defense not-so-slowly ascended to heights the franchise had only dreamed of for the Dark Ages that preceded. But the Schottenheimer rebuilding period depended on past-their-prime veterans at QB. I was about 20 years old when Vermeil came to town and declared it takes three years to build Super Bowl teams. But instead of rebuilding, Vermeil just brought in a slew of veteran talent on offense and never produced squat on defense. I was 25 years old when Herm Edwards was traded here. His rebuilding effort, a complete destruction of the previous regime so that the complete construction of his regime of youth could begin, was clouded by the fact that Herm was very poor at his job. The reliance on stopgap QBs of Schottenheimer, the impatient veteran importation of Vermeil, the incompetence of Edwards... these rebuilding efforts were exciting in their own ways, but incomplete.
Well I'm 28 years old now, and Haley is presenting us with the most exciting rebuilding process we've seen, in that he leans on the Draft but does utilize veteran acquisitions. He does lock down QBOTFs, but loves to hedge his bets. This is the most complete rebuilding effort this town has ever seen, and games like today underscore that. There are negative things to be said about today, as there will be for virtually every preseason game imaginable, but the biggest positive is that across the entire team, you can see a vision forming. Whether it's going to be realized is another question altogether, but there's no denying that it's there and it's the most satisfying one we've seen since Marty, if not since the days of Stram (which is what I'd argue).
My top threes are after the jump.
THE STUDS:
CB Maurice Leggett. Leggett actually played four quarters today, and he was the best player on the third string defense, a great player on the second string defense, and a damn good player on the first string defense. This is not Tyron Brackenridge -- Leggett is as good as he is because of aware coverage, solid fundamentals (oh the tackling!), and because when he is asked to get in the backfield, he gets there in a hurry. There may not have been a better tackler on the field tonight for the Chiefs.
K Ryan Succop. Justin Medlock is giving Herm Edwards nightmares up in Canada, I'm sure. Only on Arrowhead Pride can you follow how a rookie kicker who only lasted one game is doing two years down the road, and the fact that he's tearing up the CFL with stunning accuracy only further proves Herm's ineptitude. But Chiefs fans aren't kicking themselves now that Succop's in the mix. Sure, he drilled mid-rangers today, but he's 3/3 this postseason with kickoffs that are landing in the endzone (at times deep in the endzone). I'm starting the nickname for him now: Ryan Succop shall hereby go by the name Mr. Relevant. Make it happen, AP.
QB Matt Cassel. His performance was not spectacular today, but aren't we all just a little relieved that this kid can play? Despite the fact that the offensive line was giving Cassel lemons all day, he created lemonade regularly. Cassel has physical limitations, but his head is 100% in the game and aware of the situation at all times. He can read pressure as well as any Chief QB since Trent Green, and unlike Green he actually has the wheels to elude. If he can do this well when he's not given protection, imagine what he'll do when he is.
THE DUDS:
The first string offensive line. It cannot be overstated that Cassel played well. He was given worse protection against the Vikings than he was against the Texans, and still played better. Rudy Niswanger's unit was, shall we say, inconsistent on run-blocking -- but it's pass protection was dreadful. And not just RT Barry Richardson, who I've criticized as having cement feet when it came to lateral movement. No, the line was leaky from Richardson all the way to our franchise left tackle, with Brian Waters as always serving as the only exception. That they would give up two sacks on our new franchise QB to a defensive line missing two of its stars is embarrassing.
The second string offensive line. The Vikings pride themselves on brilliant defensive line play, especially up the gut, and the depth they have there is as good as it is anywhere in the league. But this does not excuse the second-string OL getting beat just as bad as the first. Eric Ghiaciuc's unit was strong yet again with their interior run-blocking, but Herb Taylor is having himself a mess of a preseason at LT. Too many clean shots were taken on Croyle, in particular one nasty helmet-to-head where it appears the defender was untouched. Much to my surprise, Croyle survived. If the second string wants to survive themselves, they gotta keep the QB clean.
The third string offensive line. There is probably no more embarrassing feat for an offensive line than getting a first and 1 on the opposing team's goal-line and getting zero points in four tries. Twice the Chiefs tried Javaris Williams and Jackie Battle up the middle, both times Brian De La Puente's unit got manhandled, with Battle's attempt going hilariously awry, as every single Vikings lineman simply got under their Chiefs counterparts. The third unit had two series on the field, and both were underwhelming in pass protection and run-blocking, but it's that particular standoff that seals the deal.
THE SCRUBS:
ILB Javon Belcher. This one's as big a no-brainer as anybody listed here today. Belcher has earned a spot on this team due to outstanding special teams play, but his work on the field with the second-string defense was exemplary as well. His tackling was sure (he led the team), and his penetration into the backfield was fairly consistent. His weakspot is the entire LB corps' weakspot: coverage. The 3-4 asks linebackers to cover quite often, and I think this is going to be the defense's weakness all season.
QB Matt Gutierrez. God, what will Chiefs fans do now that this team actually has a chance to be legitimately three-deep at QB? Cassel, Croyle, and Gutierrez all played great by preseason standards, but Gutierrez's performance came with a weak offensive line and just a couple weeks with the playbook. It's becoming obvious now that Gutierrez is outplaying Tyler Thigpen, and is in the driver's seat for the third quarterback slot. The blame for the botched four attempts at the goal line at the end of the game were decidedly not his fault. They were the result of two up-the-gut runs that were stuffed by the Vikings' dominant DL, and two awful pass plays called by Gailey.
WR Ashley Lelie. This seems to be an odd selection, but in terms of stock-raising, few of the scrubs on this team can equal what Lelie did in a single series. First of all, Lelie is marked down as 6'3", but he's got a Randy Moss lankiness to him that makes him look at least 6'5". But Lelie's blocking downfield was a welcome addition to a WR corps that, under Herm Edwards, rarely did so. But more importantly, he made plays. The pass from Gutierrez to the back of the endzone resulted from Lelie creating interest in the endzone and drawing a pair of pass interference calls. Lelie also pulled in a good pass to the corner from Gutierrez -- before he was pushed out of bounds, further proof that Gailey's playcall was awful. Due to the rule change allowing defenders to push receivers out, fades to the outermost corner of the end zone are no longer possible. I called Lelie a "warm body" a few days ago, but his limited reps after only a week with the team signal that he could be headed up the depth chart, especially as Copper continues to fall with all his drops.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I continue to be impressed
with Battle and Savage running the ball. I know they are up against 2nd stringers but the line blocking for them is not great either. They just seem to hit the holes faster then LJ is.
I 100% agree with your takes on Cassel, Succop, Belcher, and Gutierrez.
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
by KCporkchop on Aug 22, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lelie will definitely make the team
I’m wondering now if Gailey will only last a year, when only last season I thought he was the best off-season acquisition of all
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 22, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait 'til regular season.
Much as I want a win toDAY, I’m OK with a little rope-a-dope. The early part of the season, being underestimated is an ace in the hole for the Chiefs.
Today’s Chiefs team was not outclassed by any stretch. Cassel’s the right guy to have in there behind that not-great O-Line. This crew can win.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like they are playing the real offense close to the chest
Hence the herm-esque like play calling. At least i really hope so
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Aug 22, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more on the O-Line
I know Rome wasn’t built in a day, but how the hell did Pioli and co completely ignore the O-Line in the offseason?
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 22, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though, how can Levi Jones NOT be an upgrade to this bunch?
He’s not that old, he’s been effective in the past??? I dunno, I’m going to bed
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 22, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that
Don’t improve the O-Line..sign this guy
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 22, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat's D sucked in that game
Tippet was the only good player on that D if I remember right
by mcclanahanman on Aug 22, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
That’s the only time EVER it’s been acceptable to play as the raiders.
by YNinja on Aug 22, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knees are at issue.
How well do you think he’d’ve responded to all the running in training camp?
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see such a move. Bringing in a guy like Jones late does an end-run around the conditioning test and any “special treatment” issues that might arise by not making the best player at the position run multiple 100-yard sprints.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not crazy about Levi Jones, but the more I see our O-line the more I am sold.
I just remember him getting pulled in that game against Jared Allen a couple of years ago, but I suppose if Allen was rushing against Sackintosh it would be even worse. We need to upgrade the line and Jones is younger than I though he was. If we go in to the season as is, the offense will struggle. We can’t run the ball, and we can’t pass protect in 3rd and long. We might need all 4 QB’s by the end of the season.
by saskwatch on Aug 22, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
We can’t run the ball, and we can’t pass protectin 3rd and long.
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
by kabrink on Aug 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levi Jones
Since last week we gave them a bye because of the rain… Pioli and Haley have see the the OL is a REAL PROBLEM!!! CALL LEVI JONES!!! Who cares if he cant stay healthy and wants big money and a starting job. I can live with 2 of the three… If he makes it 6 games then is out 4 then back for 6 I am cool with that… Its apparent that we need more help on the OL than we did with WR!!!
by flyin_squirl on Aug 22, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The line was truly "offensive" tonight.
If they o-line plays like that all year we are in huge trouble. Terrible run blocking and worse pass blocking. It is a good thing we are deep at QB because we might need them all before all is said and done.
by saskwatch on Aug 22, 2009 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as the roughriders special teams, but I agree.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 22, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Roughriders...
I think it is completely possible that I hate rider fans more than I het raider fans. Now, after stating my position, I bet you’re one of the thousands of rider fans in calgary… hahaha :)
by Ben S on Aug 22, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still gets me
that we traded Leon Washington for Herm….
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Aug 22, 2009 2:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Succop might be Mr. Relevant now.....
but he is first and foremost DAS BOOT
Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....
by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 22, 2009 4:01 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Shoulda had a special mention to Corey Mays
For drilling favre
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Aug 22, 2009 5:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hit
My buddies and I were like “Bet Farve is thinking about re-re-re-retiring after that hit”
by flyin_squirl on Aug 22, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 4 goal line plays weren't Gutierrez fault?
The run plays OK but he didn’t have to make the passes he did. Come on, a fade play with a defender right there, and the rule now that defenders can push the receiver out. There is now way with 4 plays that should not have been a TD.
I would bet money that Cassel or Thigpen would have got the TD in the same situation. I know Croyle has trouble getting in the end zone but with 4 plays I even think he could have did it.
I thought Gutierrez did a good job last night till those plays. As a QB you have to make something happen.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
umm
the pass where the receiver when out of bounds was perfect. If the receiver (forgive me I have forgotten who it was) had known where he was on the field it would have been a TD.
I would have replaced one of those running plays with a sneak. You get that close to the endzone you ahve to try the sneak once. Fall forward and you score for fucks sake.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 22, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pass was out of the end zone. Lelie did everything he could.
That was the QBs fault.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 22, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he was pushed. The Fade is now even less effective than it was prior to the rule change.
CB can now just shove the reciver out and the is no longer the force out rule. I hate the fade route in the end zone.
by saskwatch on Aug 22, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasnt out of the endzone...
Lelie caught it and had one foot in bounds and the other in the air…that foot should have been right next to the other…in bounds…Bad WR form…
by woodman212 on Aug 23, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez....
You say Succop is 3/3 this post season…. That is what I am hoping for!!
by dragon6172 on Aug 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't discount the penalty clean up
Preseason game you have to look at the fundamentals. The kick coverage was solid. The O-line looked like hell. But they cleaned up the dumb penalties. It’s sucks to get beat by a better team. It is unacceptable to get beat by yourself. I was worried after last week, but now I feel zen like.
by mushin on Aug 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put my Succop jersey on order now
Mr Irrelevant: check
Ridiculous name: check
Hella leg: check
I think I have a pseudo-man crush
by mushin on Aug 22, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
Totally agree with Cassel, see, Thigpen would run a lot of the times that Cassel got out of trouble then was able to throw the ball for 7-10 yards….Cassel makes things happen, and I feel that will be HUGE in the red zone…
Bowe looked good, and did not celebrate the TD, flipped the ball to the ref.
Succop is the man, loved the pick at the time, Im up for Mr relevant…
Charles…gosh…such a threat with that 22 yard play, and when he fumbled, he wasnt hit, he was going for probably a large gain, he needs to get that under control, if he can…WoW
Loved the play of Mays once again, Belcher, again. Leggett is the real deal, and arguably better than Bradon Carr at times, but fits his role. Also liked the play of Magee early against the run, as well as Jackson…
by SDChief on Aug 22, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
the speed Lawrence displayed on the reverse make you wonder if he can make it
by SDChief on Aug 22, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's with the Thigpen hate?
Ever since he threw that interception everyone is down on him. Did we forget that it was a 4th and 22 with about 20 seconds left in the game? And that Savage had fumbled the ball in order to lose them the 12 yards?
by JayrodT on Aug 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not down on him, but he is never going to be a full time QB in this offense.
I hope we keep him and structure packages for him to come in right for the start, but I think if Cassel goes down Croyle is a better short term option. If Cassel misses an extended period of time I think we may go back top Thigpen and the Arrowspread, but he will take a change in philosophy to be successful.
by saskwatch on Aug 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen and Croyle have been running in the same offense
in preseason and Thigpen has a TD and Croyle with Bowe and Bradley last week couldn’t get one and still had Bradley this week and still couldn’t get in the end zone. I will take a TD over a Field goal any day. Croyle may have more yards and throw a prettier ball but what does that matter if you can’t score a TD.
I don’t know about you but my friends and I were wishing Thigpen was in there at that first and goal at the end of the game, because he would have found a way to score and we would have won the game.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 22, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thigpen sucks and he is not going to make the team.
Get over it!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 22, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting testy lol
Don’t you hate when you can’t find any proof to try and prove your point. So all you can do is make a rude comment.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 22, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
There’s a difference between sucking and lacking polish. If Thiggy is still making these “mistakes” 6 years from now, then he sucks (like Kyle Boller). But come on…an undrafted free agent from a small school who started last year? Give the kid a break. He just needs some work and he’ll be fine. They won’t trade him this year. He’s got too much promise.
by YNinja on Aug 22, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you AND CurtMerz, below.
Thigpen probably brings something extra to red zone offense, especially inside the 10. But the height argument is pretty compelling. If Pioli really likes Guts, things could get ugly. Heck, Croyle might not make the squad, and Thigpen might stay as a wildcat kind of option.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen is screwed, and he has been every since the Pats waived Guitz...
Guitz is 6’4" and already knows the offense front and back. No matter how much we all like Thigpen, the man is too short to see the passing lanes in anything except the spread offense. It’s not a hate thing, it’s a height thing. The only way he stays in KC this year is by injury or if he can clear waivers (which I doubt) to the practice squad.
by CurtMerzFan on Aug 22, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
G might not know O quite yet but Cassel will be showing him the way
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty compelling, IF the O-Line ever succeeds in creating a pocket!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does guitz know the offense already?
We aren’t running the same offense as NE.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 23, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the playcall was not a bad one, the throw was there late and a yard or two too deep. A second earlier and Lelie had a touch.
by fishhooks on Aug 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WE SAW SOME STUFF LAST NIGHT ............
we saw potential, we saw football players, we saw personnel we did not have last year. we got us a real football team. Imo we are starting to see the results of the new regime. hell, give em’ a little time. Todd Haley is for real. He will get results. pioli has brought in some smart tough guys. he can’t re-work the whole team in one off-season. This will be fun.
by dinomight on Aug 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but with the remaining cap room, he can do a significant amount of re-working.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I was watching a different game...
Or was put into a trance by Mayocks incessent nonsense but I dont know if I can agree with the first team OLine. Richardson did have some issues a couple times but probably to be expected until he gets comfortable but other then Niswanger I think the Oline did good against maybe the top 3 front seven in the league. Cassel had to run for his life a couple times but for the most part he had a nice pocket to step into and clear throwing lanes.
Also you missed a major dud who will likely not be playing in red for long and that Morgan. Two blown coverages, one for a 64 yard TD the other on a 3rd down out of FG range on the drive they scored the FG. He makes either of those plays and we win.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 22, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Goff got dominated all night
Just powered right over him.
by Chiefs Fan Jon on Aug 22, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levi Jones
Unless he can play guard and tackle wont help much. Also the viking announcers are smelly pirate hookers and need to go baack to there home on whore island. NFLN used to play one half for one team and then switch to the other teams feed at half time. Too bad they didn’t last night . The vikings are good and deep. This the type of team we need to be competitive with. RG and RT should be Pioli’s # 1 priority. Goff was awful and Rudy was not a lot better. RT, sucks smelly balls.
David Logue
by dklogue1 on Aug 22, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fix RT and McIntosh goes into the mix @ G/utility lineman.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 22, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smelly Pirate Hooker.
That’s epic. I agree. Though, I think that RT and RG are the smelly pirate hookers who need to go back to their home on whore island.
by BetterRedThanDead on Aug 22, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Missouri sir, He will have to Show me.
David Logue
by dklogue1 on Aug 22, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, my vote for one of the top three
duds would be Derrick “No Show” Johnson. After registering six tackles in the Houston game, Johnson managed one last night. I will admit, I didn’t see that tackle, but it is listed in the stats. There should be a new stat called FOTP (flop on the pile). If there was a stat like that, Johnson would be leading the team. He looked lost last night, and in lieu of actually tackling anyone, he went out of his way to flop on the pile. Why the big inconsistency? He plays a decent game, and then completely disappears the next. I know the coaches have to see this too. Sooner or later, this lack of effort, focus, or whatever it is, is going to cost Johnson his job.
by G.L. on Aug 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
POOR DEREK JOHNSON ..........
Man, this guy is inconsistent. I have heard him talk, i don’t think he is the sharpest knife in the drawer. I think his IQ has something to do with his performance. imo he is a prime example of why Pioli/Haley like smart football players. I apologize, I am not the sharpest knife either, but it looks like he has all the physical attributes, but his consistency seems to be lacking — the whole career that we have witnessed.
by dinomight on Aug 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy pisses me off.
One game he looks like the best linebacker in the league and the next he disappears. If he would live up to his potential he would be great. I do not know if he is inconsistent because of his IQ, I think it has more to do with him being soft. He lacks the tough guy linebacker mentality it takes to be great.
by saskwatch on Aug 22, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is learning
Just like everybody else is. Not everyone plays a perfect game for 16 games. Somebody will have an off day. Plus its preseason, maybe his mentality is that “its only preseason”. Haley im sure has witnessed this and will change it. With Vrabel and Thomas back there with him he will get tougher and better…but with time.
With the people saying “hes inconsistent”, well we do have a new DC and it was only game 2 of the preseason…How consistent can you be when everything is new?
Off subject: Do you think we will trade Thigpen if the new guy (Gutierrez, or however you spell it) pans out? I think we should keep Thigpen..maybe use his legs like the Eagles will use the dog torturers’, i mean Vicks legs.
What do you guys think? Keep thigpen and use him in tricky plays…or trade him?
by Wrestler189s on Aug 22, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just a thought
maybe we trade thiggy for a lineman who is a back up currently who could help out our right side?
anyone know of some solid back up o line out there right now?
by MountainManMike on Aug 22, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
best thing we could do
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
by kabrink on Aug 22, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lelie had a chance to win the game
and DIDN’T! He was not pushed out of bounds – a veteran receiver like him knows he’s in back corner of the endzone and both feet have to get down. The right leg stayed straight and stayed in bounds, the inexplicably giant step by the left leg cost us the game. The ball was there, the catch was made, and if the man keeps his feet together, he scores the game winning touchdown and solidifies a position among the final 53. But if he’s willing to sacrifice a position on the team to avoid falling down, well . . .
by bakerlee on Aug 22, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I just rewatched the play…and it is absolutely right….
Why the heck was he stepping enormously with his left foot….we shall never know…
by woodman212 on Aug 23, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add to the duds list the following:
Dion Gales – I just think he lacks football intelligence. Wants to do the right thing, but misreads what’s before him. It’s almost funny watching him and trying to figure the thought process, especially when he piles on top of the FB, abandoning his gap to the HB carrying the ball.
Turk McBride – Still borderline. Still like the guy. High football IQ. He still looks more of a DE, physically. He got embarrassed pretty bad by Reynaud on the reverse, but you expect him to appear a bit out of sorts in space against a speedy WR. Looked to me like he was in good position, but his teammates were slow to read the reverse. He DID force Reynaud to slow down and fake to the inside, had to honor the hesitation, and then forced Reynaud to take a wide angle to turn the corner. But #22 Bates didn’t make the read and was driven 10 yards back by the WR block. #35 Ricky Price finally made the stop after a big gain. See Defense Football IQ, below.
Team Football IQ – As a group, seems like they’re still very vulnerable to misdirection. The McBride example, above is a case in point. McBride was the only one who read the reverse. That sort of thing might disappear, if we can see Brown, Thomas and Vrabel on the field at the same time.
Prob’ly the best assortment of players on D includes Studebaker (Yes, over Hali), Belcher, Thomas, Vrabel @ LB, Brown, Page @ S. Jackson, Edwards, Dorsey on d-line. Jackson is the exception. He’s green, but he’s also a presence. Kinda feel like Leggett belongs in the starting mix, somehow, at corner, with Flowers. I’ll have to take another pass at film, but nothing Carr has done has stood out. He might just quietly be doing his job, and I usually start with the big men and work my way out.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 5:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scrubs.
Here’s a vote for Lawrence. He’s showing that it’s not just speed. He runs some pretty damn good routes. That comeback route is a thing of beauty He had his way with Paymuh, who’s supposed to be (“straight-line”) fast, but the second he turned his hips to run with Lawrence, #14 owned him. Would like to see him catch a higher percentage of targets, but he’s looking better at that, too. He’s starting to look like a WR who will draw a doubleteam all day long.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 5:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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