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The Daily Norseman Answers Chiefs, Vikings Questions

Dailynorseman_mediumI shot a few questions over to Gonzo from the Daily Norseman to give us a little better understanding of the Kansas City Chiefs second opponent of the 2009 preseason.

I prefaced the questions with one request: No Favre talk.

Gonzo complied.  Well...sorta.  We talked about starters' playing time, blackouts and wide receivers.

Here are the questions and be sure to check out the Daily Norseman to get a quick update on the Vikings.  (If you go there now, you'll see that a quarterback won't be playing.  No, not that one.)

It's been over a year.  Simply, was the Jared Allen trade worth it?

I can give you an emphatic "yes" on that front. 

The addition of Jared Allen in 2008 made a defense that was already good one of the NFL's top-notch units.  Yes, Allen had 14.5 sacks last year and all that good stuff, but according to the Football Outsiders folks, he was also second in the NFL in quarterback hurries and quarterback hits, which in my mind are every bit as important as sacks. 

He was also very solid against the run, and we all know how much emphasis the Vikings put on stopping the run game, so that wass a plus.  Having Allen in the fold also opened things up for Kevin Williams, who had his best pass-rushing season in a long time with #69 lined up next to him. 

Yes, the Vikings had to give up a lot to get him, but given his impact and the fact that, by all accounts, he's clean and sober now, make the purchase price well worth it.

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How much time do you expect the starters to play on Friday?

Well, we picked up this new quarterback. . .it was sort of under the radar, so I'm going to have to spend some time researching before tonight's game. . .but apparently he's going to play one series tonight.  Sage Rosenfels is out with an ankle injury, so Tarvaris Jackson will take over at QB after that, and John David Booty will play the remainder of the game. 

As far as actual time, I'm guessing that the starters on both sides will play significantly into the second quarter, if not play the entire first half of football.

I know the Vikings have trouble selling out tickets for home games.  The Chiefs came close to that a few times last year.  As a die-hard Vikings fan, how hard is that for you t go through each week?

Had trouble.  Apparently the new guy had an effect on ticket sales.

But, in all seriousness, it's not a pleasant thing.  I've never actually lived in the Twin Cities area (I grew up in North Dakota, but the Vikings were on TV every week), so I've never personally had to deal with "blackouts" or anything like that.  But from speaking with the people I know that do live up there and have had to go through that, it's terrible. 

Viking fans are great fans. . .seriously, we are. . .but when stuff like this happens, it gives the larger perception that we don't support the team and, as a result, we get the asinine "the Vikings are moving to Los Angeles" rumors that fans of opposing teams and sites like ProFootballTalk love to parrot so much.

As a Chiefs fan who has our own fair share of problems, are the long-term solutions to WR on the Vikings roster right now?  Are they still looking to add another piece to the puzzle at that position?

I think that our receivers, if they stay healthy, are going to be a pleasant surprise this year. 

Bernard Berrian is the field-stretcher that this team has been needing, and if Sidney Rice can stay healthy, he can play a big role in the red zone offense as well.  The X factor, obviously, is going to be Percy Harvin. . .how is Brad Childress going to utilize him, can he run the routes, can he get separation, all that good stuff.  If he can, he certainly adds a new element to the Vikings' offense. 

A dark horse at that spot is a kid named Jaymar Johnson who spent last year on our practice squad and has been getting rave reviews from the likes of Cris Carter this off-season.  All in all, it's a far cry from the days of Travis Taylor and Koren Robinson that we had at the start of the Childress era in Minnesota.

The Chiefs gave a TON of carries to Larry Johnson when he first took the starting job and he hasn't been the same since.  Is there a fear in Minnesota that AP can be overworked?

That's the one thing you worry about with Adrian Peterson.  While many Viking fans, including myself, get a bit frustrated when AP comes off the field on third downs and stuff, it's probably not such an awful thing.  Everybody loves AP, and so they should. . .he's probably the best back in the league right now. 

But we don't want an Earl Campbell-style flameout from the kid.  He had 363 carries last year, and frankly that's right about where he should be, in my opinion.  The concerns about his durability are, in my opinion, overblown, but giving a guy 400+ carries will increase anyone's likelihood for injury.

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Difference between Adrian Pederson and LJ

Is Adrian has Chester Taylor….LJ had…ummmm….Michael Bennett?
When AD is spelled on 3rd down or to take a breather, Chester Taylor is still a pretty good option. The Chiefs had no option but to keep LJ out there.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Aug 21, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Herm had AP

he would have ran him to death.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're awful close.

Rattle the QB and help him throw it to our team.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 21, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen an awful lot of QB hurries

forced on the likes of Elway, Montana, and Young that resulted in HUGE positive plays for their teams. Yes, I like hurries but I’d much rather have a sack anyday of the week.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 21, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurries are very important

An elite player may get 16 sacks a season. That comes out to just one play a game for an entire season. You want someone who can force the quarterback to get rid of the ball early on a consistent basis.

by Phoenix138 on Aug 21, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record,

it was still a good trade, in theory. Just not in execution.

by Justin Bopp on Aug 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a great trade

for the Vikings.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A better trade
It’s been over a year. Simply, was the Jared Allen trade worth it?

I can give you an emphatic “yes” on that front.

I can tell you, without a doubt, that the Vikings would have been better off trading for Cutler or Cassel in the 2009 offseason…

They’ll have the #1 defense in the league this season, and Favre will lose them some games by throwing picks until his arm wears out…and then Tavaris Jackson will lose them games by throwing picks.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with the slow talking?

Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How I define a "good trade"

When you ask your trade partner if it was a good trade and he gives an “emphatic YES”, it was a bad trade for your team.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Aug 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Except that you're wrong.

Jared Allen for Branden Albert and Jamaal Charles/DaJuan Morgan.

Morgan probably isn’t going to pan out, but that’s still a dang good deal for the Chiefs.

by JacinB on Aug 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can I be wrong about my opinion?

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Aug 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But it’s a win-win situation if you ask me.

Arguably the top DE in the NFL (with a big contract) whose job is to get after the most important player in the NFL.

What we hope to be one of the best LTs in the NFL (with a smaller contract) who protects the most important player in the game.

by Joel Thorman on Aug 21, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously hindsight is 20/20

But there is a scenario where we have both Jared Allen AND Ryan Clady. I rather have Allen/Clady than Dorsey/Albert
Oh well, whats done is done.

And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.

by craig in calgary on Aug 21, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the correct post.

by Justin Bopp on Aug 21, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert will cash in his next contract if not before.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Aug 21, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs fan living in Minnesota here

And married to a Vikings fan, so I have some pretty good insight on both teams (and generally root for the Vikes against anyone but the Chiefs).

I think the Jared Allen trade was good for both teams. He is absolutely a terror on that defense lined up next to Kevin Williams and Pat Williams. But Branden Albert could be a franchise LT for a decade, and protecting a major investment in Matt Cassel, so the Chiefs didn’t get raked over the coals on that one.

I also agree 100% that a big difference between LJ and AP is the presence of Chester Taylor. Having said that, given his carries, his love of contact and his upright running style, AP is not going to have a 12-year career. He probably has 2, 3 more seasons at the top of his game. That’s it. The Vikings know it and that’s part of the reason they went and got a certain QB. They absolutely believe they are in the middle of a Superbowl window (they might be), and those don’t stay open very long in today’s NFL.

As for near-blackouts, it has an awful lot to do with one playoff win in the last decade (albeit one more than a certain team that wears red), a dump of a stadium, and an unpopular coach with all the personality of a 13-year old housecat. Seriously, considering he’s coming off a 10-6, division winning season, the percentage of Vikings fans who hate Brad Childress could not be higher. He’s predictable, conservative, and if you can stay awake through an interview with him you are doing pretty well. Ask Matt Birk of the Ravens off the record what he thinks of Brad Childress. Now THAT would be an interesting conversation.

by DonnyDonovan on Aug 21, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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