Croyle trade?
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 11:32 AM CDT
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I talked about this in a comment on another post but I thought it deserved a full post. It has said that the Brandon Marshall trade is probably not true, but trading Croyle could work out well for us. More picks for next year or a player that could help this team now.
The Texans game never set well with me, why would Brodie Croyle have so many starters still playing with him on the 2nd team? Then I thought what a better way to showcase a QB for trades. Pioli and Haley could have planned this all out. You have a QB that has looked good in the off season, you set him up to be able to have a good preseason game, and then when the head coach is ask if he is happy with Matt Cassel he doesn't have much to say, even though every other time he has had nothing but praise for him. Then the media takes it from there, Articles come out about Croyle could take the starting job.
With the stories in the media you have other teams taking notice and Croyle's trade stock goes up. Is this some of the magic from Pioli we have heard so much about, we may never know but this could be very good for the Chiefs.
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I can't vote on this one.
I would say if we could work out a trade of Croyle for Brandon Marshall and a decent draft pick, we should do it considering we already have a good starting QB. if we can’t get instant gratification out of it, meaning a player who will help us now, I say keep him here as a backup. We have lots of draft picks for next year and I would rather get a proven player to take his place. If Denver was interested in Croyle, I actually think he would end up as their starter within a few weeks of the season starting. He is a better QB than Orton IMO.
I hadn’t thought about Haley setting Croyle up to look good for trade bait but, that makes a lot of sense. Good post.
the Don wouldn't take to kindly to you talking about family business
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
although i voted to trade him for help now i don’t believe it will happen. who in thier right mind would give anything for him. and what could he possibly be worth. i think if we packaged a draft pick or two with croyle to get someone decent i would be all for it
well McDaniels wasn't to concerned about keeping Cutler in Denver....
…and may now be seen with his foot in his own mouth from now on. Stupid move over there in Denver if you ask me!
Dude, the Croyle for Marshall thing was a joke
Brodie has zero trade value. The dude is yet to stay on the field for a full game let alone win a game. They couldn’t get a non-existent 8th round pick for him.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Agreed
I can’t see anyone giving up that much of value for Croyle considering how easily he gets hurt. If the Broncos actually offered Marshall for Croyle and a 2nd rounder, I’d be convinced that McDaniels was insane.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Denver is proud of their O-Line
McDaniels has come off as arrogant to me so far, maybe they think their o-line is so good that Brodie could stay healthy there.
by chrisclark_dfw on Aug 20, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We Can Only Hope He's That Arrogant
I doubt it, though…but nothing wrong with hoping.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I know I said that it wasn't true but
with all the media coverage about his off season and pushing Cassel his trade value is up and it would be the perfect time for Pioli to work his magic. There are teams that don’t have good back-ups and some with questionable starters.
I agree with you, I am not a fan of Croyle but I also can’t deny with the way things have worked out he could have some trade value now.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It Would Certainly Explain The Chiefs Playing Him So Much In Preseason
There’s no way the Chiefs commit Croyle to a long-term contract after the season’s up. He’s just not a guy the team can build around because of his injury issues. But if they’re showcasing him for trade, this is the way to do it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
But is it really that far fetched?
Marshall is going to pout his way out of Denver, so he’s as good as gone. Orton is clearly not ready to lead that team and they have 3-13 written all over them. They will get a 2nd round draft pick and a decent QB (He’s a better QB in Denver than KC (Better O-Line))
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 20, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me
Or every time I watch teh highlights of Bowe’s catches with Croyle at QB during the first pre-season game, I see Jay Cutler? Take it for what it’s worth, just seemed like i was watching Jay Cutler just with a #12 Chiefs jersey on. You know, with his intimidating walk after he completes pass after pass swaying his shoulders back and forth, just like Cutler does. Weird stuff. You can see the highlights at http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=54735&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter
click on the third video. (its a picture of bowe) watch closely at the 14 second mark and you’ll see what im talking about
Worst case scenario
We trade Croyle and a 2nd to Denver for Brandon Marshall. Croyle throws for 4,000 yards and Marshall and LJ become BFF’s and get arrested for doing what they do best – being dirtbags.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
only way Croyle throws 4000 yrds
is when he plays madden, and he won’t play himself on there.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say he could throw for 4000 yards.
But, you guys are mean! Put Croyle behind a good offensive line and he becomes a downright dangerous QB. If he were to get some wins under his belt and some confidence, he could be a STELLAR QB.
I’d still trade him for Marshall. I’d rather trade him for Clady though. I wonder if Pioli could get that done.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 20, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately For Him, He's Not Behind A Good Offensive Line
And even if he was, there’s still no guarantee he can stay healthy. Alabama had a solid offensive line during his time there (’Bama’s running game was productive every season with good ypc numbers for their RBs) and he was still injury prone.
As for being “stellar”, there’s nothing in his career to suggest that. He was an above average college QB…that’s it. He never came close to passing for 3,000 yards, his career completion percentage was 56.2% and he missed a ton of games. He was decent, but the strength of his ‘Bama teams were rushing attack and defense, not Croyle. And he’s never been close to stellar in his pro career…he’s barely been able to get on the field, in fact, and he’s never outperformed his backups.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
we need to give up Crawford
We keep giving people all the stats that show Croyle has not been very good and it doesn’t work.
All anyone can say is if it wasn’t for this and for that he would be a pro bowler, They can’t bring up stats because all the stats prove our point.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
They Can't Bring Up Win-Loss Record Either
Because he hasn’t won any games.
Honestly, I don’t know what the obsession with Croyle is. He wasn’t a great college QB, he’s been a terrible pro QB…I don’t know why people keep playing the “what if” game with him after four years. He seems like a heck of a nice guy and I’m sorry that he’s terrible, but the fact is that he’s been terrible and all the stats and results of his performances prove it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Hey UC
If nobody’s said so, it’s good to have you back in heavy rotation. Place wasn’t the same without you. Hope the AZ is treating you well.
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Thanks...The AZ Is Treating Me Well :)
So’s the new job. I’m a lot happier than I was three or four months ago. You’ll still see me pop out for prolonged periods of time, though…the new job has me on the road and in class quite a bit. I’ve just got a three week stretch right now where I’m doing neither (and there’s not much to do in the office).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Yeah
I’m the same way. I have projects stacking up and I’ll disappear here for awhile in the next week or so. So are you out in the boon-docks or are you in the city?
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I'm In The Boonies
I live in a town of 6,000 people about five miles from the Mexican border in southern Arizona. About an hour south of Tucson. I work over near Fort Huachuca as a government contractor and travel to bases all around the country to train soldiers, so I’m out a lot. That works though, since when I get back from the trips I just want to kick back and relax before the next trip so it doesn’t bother me being in the boonies. It’s only when I’m here for too long between trips that I get bored and antsy. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I Also Live Up In The Mountains
Rented a house here that’s about the same size as my place in Wichita for about $300 less a month than I was paying for my mortgage. I’m up in the mountains and have much nicer view from my deck than I did in Wichita. Can’t say as I was a huge fan of the flatness around there…I like terrain with some variety to it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Yes
My folks have a place in the mountains just outside of Phoenix. The views are sweet and the night-time skies are unreal.
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I Like The Skies
I need to pick up a lounge chair or two for my deck so I can hang out there at night sometime…maybe in another month or two once the mosquitos have abated a bit. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Ooooh
Boredom can be bad. But really, travel with down-time is the way to go. Too much of any one thing is never good :)
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Can't Beat The Travel
Granted, spending a week in Fayetteville, NC (or Fayette-nam, as it’s colloquially known) is hardly my idea of a vacation, but I’ve got great co-workers to travel with and I love working with soldiers again. My favorite people in the world to deal with. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
actually
Bama’s O-line Brodie’s senior season was not good at all. The rushing game was so effective because bama simply had awesome RBs in Tim Castille (arizona cardinals), Kenneth Darby (st louis rams), Leron Mclain (baltimore ravens), Jimmy Johns, Roy Upchurch, Glen Coffee (san francisco 49ers), even Tyrone Prothro taking direct snaps.
That offensive line and situational play calling with Dave Radar at OC was absolutely abysmal.
he was injured. injured bad.
yeah
i just checked and that year BJ stabler was the best O lineman that year and he struggld with injury. next best would prob be antoine caldwell who developed into a great center but he was just a freshman at the time. Croyle got sacked something like 11 times against Auburn.
in fact just check out this just stupid funny article from an SEC blog: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2005/11/21/brodie-croyle-crash-test-dummy/
he was injured. injured bad.
Found The Stats On ESPN
According to them, Croyle got sacked 36 times his senior year (no stats available for sophomore and freshmen years), so yes…his protection was terrible. But while that might show that he didn’t have a good supporting cast, it still doesn’t make the case that he was anything more than an above average college QB. And it doesn’t change the fact that he’s been a terrible pro who’s been outperformed by his backups every season.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I'm all for trading him to the Donks
I mean really. What’s he gonna do to us from there? O-line or not. There have been so many guys come and go in the NFL over the years that had all the promise in the world. I’d just as soon call a spade a spade and see Brodie down the road for any kind of return at this point. Seriously, any kind of return…
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Pretty Much
He’s out of here after this year anyway. I’d rather see the Chiefs get a 7th rounder than see him walk for nothing at season’s end.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
as far as pro, year by year, minus 2008 IMO, your right
But as a collegiate athlete I really believe its silly to say he was a simply “above average” QB. He’s one of the greatest QBs and probably the greatest passing QB in Alabama history, despite JPW beating out his records (there is something to be said for having a competent HC/OC/receiving corps). I haven’t got the energy to count the ridiculous amount of drops by bama WRs that year either.
he was injured. injured bad.
Sorry, But
I’d rank Ken Stabler and Joe Namath above Croyle. :)
As for 2008, I don’t think we can cut it off…it was symptomatic of the biggest problem in his pro career, an inability to stay on the field.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
dont forget Bart Starr, Pat Trammell, Jay Barker
And yes I still think Croyle was the best pure passer of all of them. Watching Croyle play was an excersize in masochism with that receiving corps post-Tyrone Prothro.
he was injured. injured bad.
Whoops...Can't Believe I Forgot Starr
I knew I was forgetting someone, but he was by far the best QB out of Alabama (one of the top five ever to play in the NFL). I wouldn’t rank Trammell or Barker above Namath or Stabler, though.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
yeah me neither
its funny, Bear Bryant said Trammel was his favorite player to ever play for him on multiple occasions. and one thing about Bama QBs: they can get the ladies for sure.
he was injured. injured bad.
Sometimes Coaches Just Take A Liking To Certain Players
Even if they’re not the best they ever coached. I remember when Jimmy Johnson was with the Cowboys, how bothered he was to trade Jack Del Rio because he loved coaching the guy so much. Del Rio was a very good player, but he wasn’t as good as the linebackers he was being replaced by.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Also Wouldn't Rank Croyle As A Better Passer Than Starr
Starr was an extremely accurate QB. Croyle’s never come close to that. He might have a stronger arm (I don’t know Starr’s arm strength) but a strong arm doesn’t mean anything if you don’t hit your targets regularly downfield.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
i know i dont have to tell you
but completion percentage does not indicate accuracy.
and can you believe that Bart Starr was actually benched in his senior season?
he was injured. injured bad.
Of Course I Can
I’m a KU fan…the year after we played in the Orange Bowl in ’69, the coach kicked John Riggins off the team for his senior year. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Although Riggins Might Have Been Exaggerating
He was known for that and he did have an excellent senior season. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
how did that coach do?
i think ears witworth won like 4 games in as many years after he sat starr
he was injured. injured bad.
Not Well
The season after that Orange Bowl marked a long, dark period in KU football history that didn’t really abate much until Glen Mason got there in ’89. We got lucky during the ’60s because the Jayhawks had Riggins and before him Gale Sayers. The ’70s and ’80s were a lot of really ugly football teams with few bright spots. We had a lot of terrible coaches (Bob Valesente being the one that irked me the most, until Terry Allen).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Basically
We lost Pepper Rodgers (the Orange Bowl coach) to UCLA after Riggins left. Then came Don Fambrough, who had two different stints during that era (19-25-1, 17-24-1), Bob Moore (17-21-1), Mike Gottfried (15-18-1), then Valesente (4-17-1). Gottfried was actually promising but after his best season at KU he left to take the job as Pitt’s head coach.
Valesente was definitely the low point. I watched that stupid asshole run a 3rd and (I believe) 26 quarterback sneak against Nebraska during a blowout at KU…as a designed play. It got stuffed about 4 yards past the line of scrimmage. A few years later I was talking to a guy who was one of the trainers for the team during that time and he told me that most of the players were on ’roids and they still only won four games in two years.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Great College player
doesn’t mean he can play in the nfl
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
At least now I know why you have defended Croyle
so much on here, you watched him in College. I just can’t understand why so many other people do.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
honestly
coming out of college I thought that it was absolutely perfect that hed get to play with Trent Green as I predicted him to be much in the same vain, with maybe a hint of Matt Hasselback peppered in. i really expected him to do big things and I still think he couldve/wouldve if he stayed healthy.
but if your aunt had balls shed be your uncle.
he was injured. injured bad.
i understand,
I am still holding out hope for Thigpen to be a starter, probably won’t be here but somewhere. the guy has so many good things about him, just give him a year or two and work on a few things.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
wow never thought i would hear
Croyle and intimidating in the same sentence.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
hahah
neither did I- suprised that my name is under that post – maybe my cereal was spiked yesterday – not to mention everytime I watch those highlights of Bowe and the catches he made I get a heavy, heavy dose of excitement. Forgive me for being a little bit excited I couldn’t get a hold of myself :)
He's not swaying his shoulders
What you see there is both of his hips breaking while he’s walking to the huddle. It must have been breezy that night.
I just heard....
The trade now is Marshall for: Thomas Gafford, Matt Gutierrez, (2) season tickets to Worlds of Fun and a bag of Doritos.
Virtus In Arduo
Wouldn't include Gafford in the deal, who would be LS, FB# 2 and TE# 3?
I can’t see Broncos and the Chiefs making any big deals. McDaniels would be run out of town before the season started
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Wait wait wait
It’s not THIS bag of Doritos is it?
Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"
I can't believe so many want to keep Croyle.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
I Don't Get It Either
I mean, he seems like a nice kid, but over the last two years he’s been the third-most productive QB on the Chiefs’ roster. And considering that #1 and #2 weren’t all that, that’s pretty shaky.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Well I don't think its that people want to keep Croyle
They are just saying a Croyle-Marshall trade is highly unlikely. You poll 100 AP members and I’m sure 95% would take that trade in a second.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 20, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
well it says right in the post that the Marshall trade is unlikely
but another trade could happen.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 20, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope this rumor is true as well
it’d really be better for all parties involved.
he was injured. injured bad.
almost any trade for Croyle
would be productive. Most especially a premier OL.
He might be a good kid but he can never be a starter imo.
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
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