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Kansas City Chiefs Depth Chart Projections

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Simple exercise: guess the depth chart on opening day. 53 players.

Your thoughts, welcome.

All I can say is that the leap from Herm to Haley, in terms of talent on the roster, has been quantum. I know I'm not alone when I say I've caught the fever again.

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QB: Cassel, Croyle, Gutierrez

Teams almost always keep three QBs on the team.  The question to me isn't whether Croyle will upset Cassel (only a madman would give a player who physically can't handle an entire season the starter job), but will Thigpen survive the cut down to the 53-man roster?

My guess is no. New coaches mean more than new starting quarterbacks; they mean new quarterback philosophy.  Haley and Pioli want a quarterback in Cassel's vein, and Gutierrez -- whose connection to Pioli, Chris and Joel will tell you, is enough to pencil him in -- fits that model far better than Thigpen.  His success in the preseason doesn't matter -- teams cut successful preseason performers constantly.  It's whether you fit the system, and Thigpen does not. He will be scooped up within hours.

RB: Johnson, Battle, Charles, Williams

I think Battle has looked great in camp and in the preseason.  The buzz is all about him performing the best of any RB on the squad.  I think his body allows him to take a lot more touches in a game, too, should Two-Sev go down. Charles is a situational guy, no more.  Savage makes this team as a special teamer, if he makes it at all; you cannot keep a slow 170-pounder who can only run up the middle.

WR: Bowe, Toomer, Bradley, Engram, Copper

I know Lelie is the new hot thing right now on Chiefs blogs everywhere, but the guy is a warm body.  Engram and Toomer were the vets this team wanted, a combination of talent (Toomer especially) and veteran influence (Engram especially).  Lelie offers little -- he is not a particularly outstanding character guy, nor is he all that talented.

Instead, I think the team keeps Copper and Lawrence.  Copper is a Haley guy who works his fanny off and deserves the recognition for it.  Lawrence is in the driver's seat for the kick returner job, and I think he'll end up on the practice squad if he doesn't land it.

TE: Cottam, Ryan, O'Donnell

The great unknown.  Not only is this probably one of the closer battles at River Falls, but it's also one of the least reported.  For what it's worth, Cottam's measurables and talent seems to completely overshadow those of all his competitors.  (Full disclosure: I'm a Cottam homer.)  But Ryan has apparently worked the way Haley likes it this offseason, so Ryan's run with the 1s... but then I see his sad performance last week and I see brick hands and inadequate blocking.

I simply believe Cottam's the better talent here, and that logic will win out in the end.  O'Connell is probably practice squad material.

LT: Albert, Taylor
LG: Waters, Smith
C: Niswanger, Ghiaciuc
RG: Goff, Brown
RT: McIntosh, Richardson

This is probably the least controversial slotting on the entire team.  Richardson running with the 1st notwithstanding, I can't see the guy starting this year.  With a brand new franchise QB, you've got to put McIntosh in for his superior pass protection. But the great news for Richardson is that coming out of the draft, the consensus about Richardson two years ago was that he sported 1st round measurables with zero motivation.  Herm failed to light a fire under him, but Haley managed to get Richardson to drop more weight than any other player -- so Richardson may be rising to the occasion.

DE: Dorsey, Magee
NT: Tyler, Edwards
DE: Jackson, Boone

I think the biggest question mark on this entire team, outside of Matt Cassel, is that nose tackle position for the Chiefs. Edwards simply got beat up at the point of attack against the Texans, whereas Tyler was slightly more stout, but still pretty much manhandled.  It's a coin flip at this position, so I'm giving it to Tyler, even though I'm guessing his performance in the classroom is the exact opposite of what Haley is looking for.

OLB: Hali, McBride
ILB: Thomas, Mays
ILB: Johnson, Beisel
OLB: Vrabel, Studebaker

Not a lot of controversey here, either, and I think a lot more Chiefs fans are feeling slightly optimistic about this position after the first preseason game.  Any worries that Vrabel wouldn't buy in after all this time away from the team were erased.  Hali played fairly well. Studebaker and Mays proved that the Chiefs even have quite a bit of depth handy.  The biggest question mark this season remains to be McBride, who in my opinion will look incredibly out of place at OLB.  You'll hear this from me all season, but I think McBride's build was perfect for DE on this team, so I have no idea what he's doing here.

CB: Flowers, Carr, Leggett, Daniels, Washington

The backend of the CB roster, as it always does, will simply come down to who wants it more on special teams.  As far as that goes, I haven't the foggiest.  I can tell you that Leggett is all but assured a roster spot, and I like Washington and Daniels tons more than I do Colclough.

S: Page, Pollard, Brown, McGraw, Morgan

Will Brown surpass Pollard on the depth chart?  Well... he should.  But in my opinion, Bradley should surpass Toomer at WR.  But continuity in the starting lineup is important in a 16-game season, and Brown doesn't have it.  I think Brown will get a significant number of snaps, and may start a couple games this week when Pollard inevitably finds a way to disappoint.  It's hard to believe the Chiefs will keep five safeties, I simply list both McGraw and Morgan here because I think they're both solid special teamers.

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR/PR: your guess is as good as mine

At this point, the only true unknown on this entire team is returning kicks.  At this point I don't think you can count on Lawrence keeping the job, but the options of who would replace him is void of possibilities.  Perhaps Savage will stick around after all.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Very well thought out & well written. I think you are probably real close to the end result with a minor tweak here & there due to additions or other unforeseeable events. This will be a good starting point for many discussions & it is good that someone has ventured to write & post something tangible that makes it easier to put into perspective the cuts that are going to be necessary to get down to 53. Excellent work!

by ttownmikey on Aug 19, 2009 3:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Always the best...

One thing though is, getting technical, I think your ILB’s are switched and DJ will play more on the weak ILB spot…Still though….

Also….Rec’d but only because you used the word “fanny”….

by woodman212 on Aug 19, 2009 3:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice work

Very logical and objective.

by Chris Thorman on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was with you till...
you’ve got to put McIntosh in for his superior pass protection.

Whaaaaaaaaaa? Sackintoash? McSack? THe McIntosh Expressway?

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I have to admit that one got a bit of a shock from me. I think Richardson is better at pass protection that McIntosh. Some argue that McIntosh is better at the point of attack in run blocking…

For QBs, I think Thigpen stays & Gutierrez goes. Thiggy has a different skill set that might be needed during the year. I think the coaching staff recognizes that and it would be foolish to lose that skill set.

For RBs, I doubt Battle beats out Charles. Yes, Charles is a situational guy, but I think he’s the next guy on the chart behind LJ. If LJ goes down, then you’ll see more of a tandem RB.

WRs are a crapshoot. None of the WRs mentioned are burners, with a serious deep threat. I like your picks, but was intrigued by Haley’s statements about Lelie. Not that I’m sold on Lelie yet, but if he proves himself, then he may have a spot. Lawrence, I think, will have a spot also.

Great post! Thanks for the work on this!

You are what your record says you are!

by Chief_Elmo on Aug 19, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

McIntosh…no way he has “superior pass protection”. Direckshun, McIntosh is on his last legs. He’s lost a step and even with the weight hes lost, he’s still too slow. He gets beat around the edge way too often. The arguement on D-Mac is that he started improving last season. That was because we switched to the Spread. Then, in the preseason game against the Texans, McIntosh looked terrible. I hope B-Rich beats him but ONLY if hes ready to handle the job.

I also agree with Chief_Elmo on QB’s. NE let Gutierrez go for a reason. We brought him in to give him a shot. We’ve BARELY heard a word about him, and he didnt even play against Houston. I expect him to get some touches soon, especially in the 4th game. Thigpen is very unorthodox but I think Gailey liked having Thigpen. Thigpen can do a little bit of everything. He can Pass (though not greatly) he can run and he can catch. Thigpen has Wildcat written all over him. Will we use the wildcat at all this year? I doubt it….but I wouldnt count it out.

Definately NO way Charles gets beat out. Haley is way too high on Charles. He said earlier this camp that he thinks Charles has what it takes to be the #1. That probably wont happen while LJ is in town, but they will definately split carries though nobody really knows how much. As much as I like Battle, I’m not sure what to do with him. Javaris Williams has had a quiet camp so far so I think he might hit the practice squad. If LJ is gone after this year, we’d have Charles, Battle and Williams. Sounds like a plan to me.

My opinion on Richardson…he was a late round pick and projected that way. My thoughts..maybe he didnt show much motivation because he was concentrating on getting his degree (which he got) in case the NFL didnt work out for him? Haley said he’s been working hard so I dont think he really has a motivation issue.

When you said you thought McBride was the perfect build for DE, did you mean before we switched to the 3-4? McBride is way too small to play DE in the 3-4. Thats why he had to switch the LB but I think hes too slow for LB. I think he’ll make the team but we sure havent heard much about him.

Pollard will start. Brown is here to provide depth and to mentor our Safeties.

The biggest thing I noticed is WR’s. Bowe and Bradley are lock-ins as young WR on the rise. Toomer makes the team because he’s got some hands, he can teach the previously mentioned young guys, and hes a 3rd down threat. He’s exactly what Engram was supposed to be but Engram has disappointed. I think Engram gets cut. Bowe, Bradley, Toomer, Copper and the 5th I’m not sure. Either Lawrence, Lelie or somehow Engram but I dont know. Your guess is as good as mine.

Good write up! But I strongly disagree with your comments on McIntosh and Charles.

by Petey14 on Aug 19, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for making me laugh out loud

needed that one

Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....

by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 20, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd! Nicely done.

My only diversion to your lists are:

Thigpen: He will take someones roster spot. I can see him as a situational (slash)type player. Remember the game he cought the TD?

Sackintosh: Will start the season as the starter, but will give in to Richardson by the bye week.

TE’S: No way we enter the season with just the guys we have now. I have a strong feeling Pioli and Co. are keeping their eyes out for an experienced TE.

Safeties: Pollard will start all season with Brown coming in in situationals and spells. He won’t be a true threat to take Pollard’s job unless the Bonecrusher does himself in. I highly doubt Morgan makes the team.

KR/PR: Despite the fumbles, Savage and Charles will ultimately win these jobs and do well.

Virtus In Arduo

by carthagechief on Aug 19, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a few changes for me

Thiggy over Gutierrez
You left out Cox so I’ll cut Williams to make room for him
Lelie over Copper
Colclough over Daniels
And I’ll say another LB like Belcher or Williams makes it over Morgan
KR a crap shoot at this point, maybe Savage

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Aug 19, 2009 7:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I pretty

much agree with you on your selections.
I think they bring someone in on the right OL to shore it up.

I think Lelie makes the team.

I think the posts here will be pretty lively once these cuts come.

by markc on Aug 19, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

With a few minor changes. I dont see us taking 10 DB’s on the final roster (you have 5 CB’s and 5 Safeties). I see us taking instead 1 more LB, maybe Williams. You also dont have a FB listed and I think we will take Cox on the roster and drop Jarvis. But nice work overall

by nateforchiefs on Aug 19, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well written and well thought out.

I disagree with you on McIntosh, though. I think the fact that Richardson is playing with the first string for the past couple of days indicates Haley is unsatisfied with McIntosh’s play at RT. McIntosh was overweight and not very motivated at the start of camp. Not an auspicious debut with a new coach watching. Plus, I am sure Haley has watched all the game film from last year and has a pretty good idea of what he does/does not have in McIntosh. If Richardson can’t cut it with the first string, I look for McIntosh to be replaced by a player not yet on the roster.

by G.L. on Aug 19, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to be a bad defense with only 8 LBs

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Belcher

will make the team as the 9th, IMO

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy to make room for more...

Doubt we carry 3 TE’s if Gafford is the LS because he’s also a TE and theres no way we carry 5 safeties.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they will carry 3TEs

Oconnell is a special teams guy, for sure.
Cottam should be the starter, but Ryan might make the team as well…. unless they get Watson :)

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good chit

But you say Savage is a “slow 170-pounder who can only run up the middle”? I disagree. The kid has wheels

I like what you pointed about Barry Richardson, those were the exact same thoughts I had upon hearing of his weight loss from Haley yesterday. Not only is the talent level a quantum leap from where it was last year but also the coaching is as well

Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt

by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Copper

yes, he’s working hard
yes, he’s doing the right things in camp

but, when it comes down to it, can they really keep him ahead of Lawrence, whom Pioli and Haley drafted for a reason?

Someone on AP said it, and I’m wondering how true it may be…
MAYBE Haley is praising some of the guys that he knows can’t make the roster, because they are playing well, just to make sure they have a shot with another team???

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McINtosh?????

CHILD PLEEZE!

For every one play he blocks, he let the DE and LB sack and hit our QB 2X more, and especially when we’re needing a 3rd down.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Aug 19, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3rd down conversion

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Aug 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB: I agree with your 3, but Thigpen will be traded, not cut. He’s too good to cut, and if they can’t get what they want, at least a #5, they’ll keep him and wait for a QB injury somewhere else, and cut Gutierrez.
RB: Williams won’t make the 53. Practice squad maybe.
FB: Cox- We’ll keep 1 FB
WR: Darling will make the team, and might even start over Bradely, or at least share the #2 spot. He’s had a great camp, and has consistently been running with the 1’s. He also plays specials. Only 1 of Toomer’Engram will make the team, likely Toomer if camp reports about how poor Engram has been, are to be believed.
TE: I think we see a shocker here, O’Donnell is the starter. Ryan is the Blocker. Cottam is the tweener, OK at both, not great at either.
OL: Brown won’t make the 53. DeLaPuente will.
LB’s: Mays will beat out Zach, who may not make the team. Belcher will make the team, and so might Redd. Walters will likely make the practice squad. They’ll keep more than 8.
CB: They might keep 6. Colclough will make it. If they only keep 5, Washington will go to the practice squad.
S: Morgan is toast. They won’t keep 5.
LS: I think our longsnapper is currently on another team, likely NE who has 2 in camp.

by dablueguy on Aug 19, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

nice analysis

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 19, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FB another team also IMO

Why DeLaPuente?

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 19, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Haley mentioned his as a viable Center candidate during one of his pressers, when a reporter only mentioned Rudy and the Cinncinatti kid.

by dablueguy on Aug 20, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

insane

sorry, don’t mean to be insulting… but seriously?

De La Puente may be the worst player on the roster.

Zach will make the team, guaranteed.

Washington wouldn’t make it to the PS… another team would snatch him up… Williams may be in the same boat. Plus, Pioli/Haley will likely want to keep their draft picks on the roster

I’m pretty sure the PS can ONLY have 8 on it… so they can’t “keep more than 8” by NFL rules

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant they’d keep more than 8 LB’s., not more than 8 on the PS. Williams would easily make the PS. Washington might also, although definitely more of a gamble. See my other De La Puente post for reason I mentioned him. I don’t think Pioli/Haley are hung up on keeping draft choices on the roster, just to say you had a good draft, like Herm was.
You’re probably right about Zach, but since we don’t know what his injury is, he’s not a roster lock.

by dablueguy on Aug 20, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the clarification

we’ll see

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009

by stagdsp on Aug 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

Why don’t we try switching Boone out for McBride at the DE spot and then Boone for Ron Edwards at the NT position? I don’t know, just a thought I had, because I do agree, Turk does seem like a good fit at the DE spot, because of his build, and he can fill in at both DE spots Then we can keep Zach Thomas in at McBride’s vacant position on the chart., seeing he’s a little older and slower, but still probably faster than McBride just by virtue of who/what they are, and we’d be able to also keep Thomas’ veteran leadership. Then Ron Edwards can just go and we’ll have a spot for another linebacker that can be evaluated.

Herm didn't play to win the game, he coached to keep the pressure off of himself

by ChiefsFootSoldier on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ohh…..Forgot….Rec’d

Herm didn't play to win the game, he coached to keep the pressure off of himself

by ChiefsFootSoldier on Aug 21, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While you may be right that Scott and Todd probably wont keep draft choices, just to make the draft look good. He won’t make ps someone would take a chance at a very talented but never lived up to it player. I think he will make the team. I haven’t heard or seen much about him in articles. Anyone know how hes looked in coverage in practice etc?

by karkz86 on Aug 23, 2009 6:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Ryan's above Cottam on the chart.

I think also that he had 2 catches, 2 targets on Friday, but the stats with the D-Bowe leads all receivers article show him only 1 target. There was that one dropped 3rd down pass from Cassel in the monsoon, but he looked pretty good to me Friday.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 23, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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