Remember that stuff about Brodie Croyle firmly being the Chiefs' No. 2 QB? Well, now I'm starting to believe he's threatening Cassel's job.
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crazy talk
I’m not buyin what he’s selling
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
?
I can’t believe he’s selling that shit, lol..
by BALLard49 on Aug 18, 2009 9:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Croyle!!!!!
I sat in that rain and froze my ass off, and yes, Croyle came in and handled business like I thought he would. Dude set alot of college records, he is an amazing quarterback, better than Cassel by far. He is just fragile. But yes, Cassel didn’t look bad, but Croyle did something out there. Fragile or not, I wont be shocked to see him start season opener. Although, I dont think he will get the oppourtunity to do so. Alot of people think Croyle is something, and dont get me wrong, I am as excited to have Cassel as the next person, but because of his fragileness, Croyle hasent had a chance to show us what he can do. U gotta admit, the guy has a cannon
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by Undaunted_Fish on Aug 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I don't believe it.
I mean it’s camp anything can happen. People can have good days, bad days. It won’t matter until you actual get to gameday and how you perform in a game. Plus they won’t start Croyle over Cassel. Does he not remember Cassel signed a huge contract?
Oh and don’t forget, he’s fragile as all hell.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
not to mention
Cassel is pretty damn good, and has all of the intangibles that the Chiefs wanted in a QB
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
basically
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
What?
If Croyle is the better option, who cares about the contract. Haley doesn’t, Pioli doesn’t, the rest of the offensive players don’t. And thus far, Croyle has performed better. And not because of a good day, but several good days and a good showing in preseason game #1.
No Sir.
Croyle will have to be really impressive and a whole lot better than Cassel to start Fragile Croyle over Cassel. Cassel has leverage because he has the contract. Your not gonna bench a huge contract.
And on him having a good preseason game. Please. Cassel would have been better too if he had Bowe. Croyle Had Bowe. Cassel had Copper. Please don’t tell me you consider that good or slightly better than Cassel. If Cassel had his shot to play with Bowe then it would of been different.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
I agree: the contract won't matter.
These aren’t the Royals we’re talking about, who will play their vastly overpaid players no matter how bad they are.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Leadership
That’s really what it comes down. Cassel commands the huddle and has all the intangibles. Croyle has been better in camp, however, and the talking head are going to tee off on the fact that Haley has consistently said that the best players will play.
We are going to hear about this until Cassel shows up and plays up to expectations.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
or
Cassel = quarterback
Croyle= broken back
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Brokeback would have read better
But you still get the rec!
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
haha, yeah, i thought of that :)
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
Baaaaah!
just try it. I dare you Haley. Just try it.
Babb, you should go eat-a-D!
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He just wanted us to do what we are doing.
Read his article and talk about it.
Brokie won’t touch the starting spot. Hes a solid backup if this conditioning did anything for his health but nothing beyond that.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Yep
I think he’s having problems competing with the likes of AP, WPI and the like. It’s a cheap trick for a member of the associated press. Taking ques from his compadre Jason Whitlock
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I agree
He’s trying to create buzz and sell newspapers… let’s face it.. not much you can talk about other than the 2nd string RT looks better then the 1st.. the QB position is the glamour position so he’s going to stir the pot and create a buzz with his comment or tweet or twit or twat or whatever it is.
Oh shit
wasn’t looking at it correctly. hahahaha!
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absolutely!
hahaha
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Croyle had 3rd string
Cassel had starter. Ask Haley, he’ll tell you.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
This does make me question the eyes of Loney from the Mothership.
I mean, who should we trust—610 AND 810 hosts talking about how bad his throws were today, or the PR guy from Chiefs.com?
True
That’s a fair question. Josh Looney and Bob Gretz said he looked sharp all day.
610 said he didn’t look great.
Even though they’re Chiefs employees, I’m going with Looney and Gretz. Gretz has been negative in a couple of reports recently. I don’t think he’s necessarily biased.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 18, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even IF Haley is serious about the best player getting the job
And even IF Croyle is playing superior to Cassel through the preseason, I think you’ve got to start out with Cassel.
They brought in Cassel because they think he is a franchise player so they have to give him a chance to be that guy. I’m not a big believer in QB competitions. If Cassel is your guy, you stick with him until he proves he’s not your guy. Only then do you give Croyle another shot and at that point HE’s your guy and you stick with him until he proves he’s not (or gets injured again, which is likely).
I think if you put Croyle in ahead of Cassel and then Croyle gets hurt AGAIN, then you’re throwing Cassel out there to start and he knows nobody has any confidence in him. Just a recipe for disaster.
I am and always have been a huge Croyle fan, but his lack of durability is just too much a liability. If it turns out that Cassel is the next coming of Derrick Anderson and they decide to give Croyle another shot I’ll be all for that. But until then, Cassels our guy.
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So let Croyle start against Allen and the Williams with the 1st team WR from last week and see what happens
LOL Croyle
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
and with that being said, I hope they start drawing the line between who is first team, second team and third team so whoever “their guy” is gets some serious reps with who he’s going to be out there with on game day. They have to develop timing and chemistry and this exercise in competition needs to wind down and we need to start preparing for the season like a team.
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3rd week is key
Minnesota is going to be a Buzzsaw. Let Croyle start and Thigpen finish
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
There you go. Let’s just get Croyle injured and settle it now
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or prove Jared won't kill him
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I think Jared would kill him
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A good Chief even in Purple :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, you guys are fucked up !!!
Seriously, Croyle is a Chief! He is also possibly the best QB on the team. You guys are saying you want to throw him out to the wolves in Minnesota so he can get creamed?
That’s fucked up.
BTW: Jared Allen is a fucking traitor and I hope Branden Albert breaks one of his knees.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 18, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn CF70
Take it easy.
I personally don’t think Croyle has what it takes nor do I think that Haley or Pioli do either. He’s a practice warrior who can simulate a good pocket passer in an environment where he won’t be touched. I could honestly care less about jared alan at this point either. Neither of them are likely to have much impact on the Chiefs regular season so all this banter is inconsequential. Just my opinion.
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Ummmm
Jared Allen is a fucking traitor
Why? Because he got traded away when Carl Peterson refused to consider a long-term extension for him? By that rationale, every player who ever got traded because their team wouldn’t commit to them is a traitor. That’s a ridiculous argument. Especially since football is a business above all else.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Also
You guys are saying you want to throw him out to the wolves in Minnesota so he can get creamed?
By “throw him to the wolves” do you mean put him into an actual game where he has the chance to be hit, just like what happens to every other player in the NFL? Because yes…if that’s what you mean I’m definitely a proponent of throwing him to the wolves. If he can’t stay healthy after taking a few hits I’d rather Haley and Pioli figured that out in an exhibition game than in the regular season.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
+1 haha...
since when is putting someone in an exhibition game the equivalent of throwing him to the wolves…
He Might Not Have To Worry About That
I read somewhere that Allen dinged up his leg pretty good this week. Can’t find an injury report though.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Not necessarily
I think if you put Croyle in ahead of Cassel and then Croyle gets hurt AGAIN, then you’re throwing Cassel out there to start and he knows nobody has any confidence in him. Just a recipe for disaster.
Why is he in KC in the first place? Because he came in as a backup :)
I know what you mean, though, and agree. I would prefer we know who most, if not all, the first team guys are by the final preseason game.
But, I think we all know how this is going to work. The Chiefs won’t release any more information than the minimum requirements and Haley will be vague each week saying it’s a competition.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 18, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
any info that it’s an “open competition” and any idea that Croyle could win the job…
well, that’s just coach talk/ misinformation, rhetoric.
I would bet my years’ salary that Cassel is the man on opening day (but, I won’t!)
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
smart
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Right on the money
Couldn’t agree more with this post. Croyle is a practice champion since QBs don’t get hit. Let’s not forget that Brodie has never won an NFL game in his career and couldn’t even finish a game last season.
With that said, it’s pretty dissapointing to see how poorly Cassel is doing in practice. On 810 this evening, they were saying that he was having all kinds of trouble throwing the deep ball accurately. I hope he gets this all straightened out, or else he’ll be just like Trent Green (great leader, good personality, no arm strength).
I've Got To Side With Whitlock (Only A Little, Though)
I think that benching Bowe is probably hurting Cassel’s development a bit. I can understand benching Bowe if his practice habits were sloppy and I’m fine with it. But it’s cutting into time that the first string QB and first string WR could be using to work out the kings.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
"Kings" = Kinks
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Babble is on crack
he is only saying that cause Brodi played well last week and today when asked if Cassel was the best QB in camp Haley wouldn’t say.
But you know what? He’d have said the same thing if they asked about any other position.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Haley
Can’t play favorites at any position including QB. He’s got to stir the pot. No one on this team can get complacent.
That's it
That pretty much sums it up. I have a feeling a lot of these competitions will last all season.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 18, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
With such a young team the FO is looking to build a base for the next decade. These competitions aren’t going to go away this season. I look at this season as a year long audition for a spot in the future of this franchise. By the end of the season we’ll see if the defense can really be built around Dorsey, Johnson and Jackson or if more draft picks need to be spent. The same is true for Cassel, Albert (already proof, IMO) and Bowe on the other side.
by JComp11 on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You hit it on the sweet spot
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Chan Gailey
will have a big say on who gets to start and I think he likes Brodie for good reasons. I also think Haley is leaning that way because he said he didn’t care how much a player was getting paid. He will play the best player.
Brodie could win the job.
no chance
IMO
Because, Cassel IS the best player.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
+1
Croyle won’t be the starter.
Can’t cut him because he looks good but can start him for all the right reasons.
Hey Brodie, Here’s your clipboard, Don’t hurt yourself.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
cassel has done nothing in a chief uniform...what have you done for me lately
by ColoradoChief on Aug 18, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Past performance is not indicative of future return :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Actually Incorrect
It’s “Past performance is not an guarantor of future return”. Past performance is very often, however, an excellent indicator of future returns.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Aug 18, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In people, PEOPLE
not much else, Oh Dogs very indicative of the spirit
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Steve
is this your attempt at haiku?
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No
People usually remain what they are
Good uns and Bad Ones. Just saying
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for 'splaining
you had me lost in the wilderness there for a sec
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So Brodie is not a person?
Your statement is utterly wrong either way. Don’t get me wrong there are examples of players suddenly appearing out of nowhere or disappearing in the same fashion. But for ever one of those there is probably 50 players who performed about as well as previous performance indicated they would.
Your methodology would lead to chaos as you couldn’t ever cut anybody or even place anybody into starting order as you never know when somebody might suddenly breakout or decline. I can assure you that Steve_Chief if you are at all a rational person you not only have judged a player (or person) based upon their past performance, but do so regularly.
by Scaryclouds on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You're Correct
Claiming that past performance is no indicator of future returns would mean that you couldn’t use the sun’s history of rising in the east to support the claim that the sun would rise in the east tomorrow. It’s a ludicrous statement…the sun will most likely rise in the east tomorrow because it rises in the east everyday and the only thing that would change that is the Earth blowing up or being knocked out of its orbit or the sun exploding.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Coaches say one thing and mean another most of the time
Haley might say that he’s going to play the “best player”, but make no mistake about who is the real boss of the team. Pioli didn’t make that trade and give that contract to Cassel to watch him sit on the bench.
Haley can give lip service to open competition, but unless Croyle or Thigpen are playing like Hall of Famers and Cassel is playing like Joey Harrington, Cassel will be the guy.
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True
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Choir Boy --- If anything, Gailey is impressed with Thigpen
Gailey was around all of last year..He helped prepare Croyle all year to be our starter and guess what ended up happening? Croyle never threw more than two td’s in a game, and got injured TWICE. How does that bode well or say anything about Croyles ability? And Thigpen (who had little preparation) comes in and begins throwing 2-4 td’s a game..Deffinently a noticeable difference in regards to stats..
Thigpen has produced in games, so has Cassel….It’s crazy talk to even consider Croyle having a chance..Completely crazy..Especially after the huge contract given to Cassel..He’s our guy
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 18, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Haley is impressed with Bones
Twice I saw Haley talk to Bones as he came to the sideline and put his hand on Bonse’s back.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Haley was just holding him up so he wouldn't hurt himself
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
my fault thought it said brodie
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I am 100% for Cassel
That having been said, the stars were alligned for Leinart in Arizona and Warner was playing better so Haley backed starting Warner. I am NOT saying that I think Croyle is Warner. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be shocked if Haley gave it to Croyle if he is playing better. I know some people on here would crap themselves and call Haley every name in the book, but I for one wouldn’t be that surprised.
Again, I’m 100% for Cassel myself for the same reasons many have already listed so no need to come after me from that angle.
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
We just need to let Croyle start a Quarter or so against Minnesota on Friday
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
then, he'd be on IR
problem solved
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
protected in all that legal NFL crap
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle
I would of liked to see how Croyle could of played consistantly, without getting hurt. He is a an average/decent quarterback, but he is made of feathers. He is weak and can’t take a hit. That’s why we brought in Cassel. The only way I see Croyle playing over Cassel before injuries is if he actually is and clearly is without a speckle of a doubt better than Cassel. Which I dont think he is. Everybody deserves a chance, and well Croyle can’t get a full one because he’s got no bones.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
+1 I agree 100%
The Leinert/Warner comparison is exactly the same thing I was thinking. Croyle has a freaking rocket launcher of an arm and COULD very well steal the job.
However, I am on the Matt Cassel bandwagon and i still think/hope he will start…Even though Brodie IS technically a better QB.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 18, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
chronic injury wasn't a factor in the warner/leinert decision
Leinert lacked experience, football intelligence, leadership qualities and work ethic. Cassel does not. It’s not a very good comparison in my view.
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Another thing
(if noone has said this yet)
Cassel had a poor camp and preseason last year too…but when he was in the game in huge situations he delivered…Something to think about…
by woodman212 on Aug 18, 2009 8:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
and...
he’s NOT having a “poor camp” this year AT all.
I’ve heard nothing but praise for his work ethic, preparation, leadership and accuracy.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
That is exactly what I was thinking
Slow starter? Whatever it is, he steadily got better all season long last year.
It would appear that Croyle plays a whole heck of a lot better without the added pressure of being the starter.
And, As Always
It’s preseason. Even Casey Printers looked good in preseason. But the thing is that (as his post-Chiefs CFL career showed) he’s not good when you put him into games that count. Bobby Sippio would be another example.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
What was that?
Something about chicken salad?
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Yes
I was just pondering what ingredients to put into my chicken salad. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
So true
If Croyle could really play like that against the Ravens D in a real game (and actually survive a 16 game season), then we really should have some QB controversy. But as it stands, I think it would take a lot to not go with Cassel. I would be happy with any Chiefs QB if they can play at a Pro Bowl level.
So Would I
The big problem with Croyle, though, is that even if he were able to perform at a Pro Bowl level in games that matter, he’s still always going to be a guy you can never quite count on because he’s so likely to go out with an injury at any given time.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
True
But Montana had us on the cusp of the SB if not for a concussion.
maybe DeBerg and his busted finger.
Injuries happen but not every other game to the best
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Really The Difference
It’s like Bill Walsh said about QB prospect Greg Cook (who he thought was the best young QB he’d seen)…you can’t help the team if you can’t stay on the field.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
And that is the kicker
You have to count on these guys. I think Haley, and especially Pioli, understand that reliability is greater asset than skill in some instances.
Not that Cassel doesn’t have skill, because I think some of the games he played last year showed a lot of promise. The throw to Moss in the Jets game is still one of the best players from last year that I saw. Period.
Bullshit
They invested a $60 million dollar contract in Cassel and Croyle might as well be made of balsa wood. There isn’t a chance in hell Brodie Croyle takes Cassel’s job.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
really?
Croyle was throwing to bowe and bradley against #2 db’s and cassel was thowing do people that wanted to drop the ball… They’ll give anyone a job huh?
by BALLard49 on Aug 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Dear GOD make this day end.
Two of my most hated and played out topics:
Favre
Croyle as a starting QB
JUST MAKE IT F*CKING STOP.
You know we play nice here and will let you know otherwise :)
Because DTR “Make it so”
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe The Packers Will Get 6 INTs Off Of Him This Season
And force Brett Favre out of the league by humiliation, if nothing else.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I am not laughing at you DTR, I am laughing with you.
That’s Favretastic! ( I think Madden made that word up?)
Seriously, it's like a Favre proton and a Croyle anti-proton collided in the Large Hadron Collider today.
But, instead of annihilating each other, they produced the most irritating subatomic particle in existence…the Favroyle.
The Favroyle behaves differently than any other known particle, instead of being subject to the strong & weak nuclear forces, electromagnetism, and gravity, it produces its own, newly discovered, forces of annoyance and repulsion. And uniquely, it exists only to propagate its against the rest of the known universe.
by DThomasReigns on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
H-Noid
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The Favroyle
I’ll have to wreck you for that
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SO wreck and make it Green!
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
it was a three way tie!
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Thanks, guys.
I wasn’t ignoring you all. I had to go make some more smokes.
by DThomasReigns on Aug 18, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre and Croyle are almost exact opposites
Favre, the indestructable one, and Croyle, the completely destructable one. It was inevitable that they would propagate this hiddeous QB gene known as the Favroyle.
I am disgusted by it, and yet strangely indifferent.
ocming out of college
they were similar in playing styles. croyle was a gunslinger prone to throwing off his backfoot with decent mobility who found a way to make plays (in college)
….those were the days….
he was injured. injured bad.
Well, Except For His Junior Year
Where he missed all but three games of the season with a blown ACL.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
a no contact injury
I think that was when he got his bones sanded down or something after that.
damn western kentucky.
he was injured. injured bad.
Bones Sanded Down
Didn’t keep him from blowing out his ACL again last year. That, by the way, would be his third blown ACL in his football career.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Wow
Trainwrecked.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
oh DTR...
you so crazy
today is annoying. wonder what Vick is doing…..
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
i thought it would come from some huge mongolian wrestler playing line but maybe kicker seems more appropriate.
by chiefsinchina on Aug 19, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey it's ok.
I just seen Capt Kirk, Big Bird and ALF all having a latte on South Beach. Its fine!
Can't wait to put my pads on a Raider, My Helmet on a Hater. I'm the Arrowhead Gladiator!!
by ArrowheadGladiator on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions
I have never been to south beach
makes my fur itch maybe?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Can put Babb in with Teicher and Whitlock...
These “reporters” are all headed downhill fast.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Brodie believers unite!
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Untie?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Dyslexics of the world untie!
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
For those of you who think
that Cassel’s contract will restrict Croyle from being QB, remember two things:
1. The Chiefs are paying Cassel and Croyle the same no matter who is one and who is two, it makes no difference.
2. Warner started over Leinart in Arizona, and Leinart is the one with the huge contract.
That said, I think it would be a sad mistake to make Croyle our starter.
Leinart Was Also A Rookie When Warner Won That Job
Croyle isn’t.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Cassel hasn't had his opportunity yet
innocent until proven guilty IMO
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Totally irrelevant arguments
2. Warner started over Leinart in Arizona, and Leinart is the one with the huge contract.
Warner also was a two time MVP with Super Bowl rings and Leinart was a struggling rookie. Let’s not pretend its the same situation.
http://ajax-dj.mybrute.com
Yeah but
I, along with others, thought Warner was washed up when he played for the New York Giants, and then went to Arizona. No one thought Warner was the same quarterback he was when he won the Super Bowl. Plus, he had terrible issues with fumbling the football. Even when he was on the Rams he was good for losing a fumble every week.
The point though, was that it wouldn’t be the first time the guy with money is benched for the guy without money. It’s especially relevant since its the team Haley was on.
just goes to show how important a solid O-line is
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Also, In Leinart's Rookie Year
The only reason he lost his starting gig once it was given to him was that he broke his collarbone.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
When did I say Warner outperformed him his rookie year?
I was just talking about last year.
I Hear That
For my money, she’s still the hottest Chiefs wife.
Although I’d still go for Katee Sackhoff over her…apparently she was dating John Welbourn when he played here.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I thought you were into red heads
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I Am
But I don’t have any pictures of hot red-headed Chiefs wives. :)
Plus, it’s Starbuck, dude…she’s hot and she was in one of my all-time favorite shows. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
True
She is fine as hell in a tom-boy jock sort of way. I do like her with the longer hair better though. :)
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I Like Her Either Way
But yes…I find the long haired look more appealing and feminine and it seriously increases her doability rating. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I say, go ahead and make Croyle the starter. What difference does it make?
As long as Cassel is #2, he will be starting by week 2 anyway.
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 18, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
But probably true. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I still don't think he can beat out Thigpen
no matter how ugly Thigpen plays he has still beat Crolye in every stat.
Croyle beat out Cassel is just out of the question.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
Babb and Whitlock and Teicher
I stopped reading any Chiefs columns in the KC Star about 3 months ago. It’s all garbage, trying to create controversy and water cooler fodder.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I'm happy that
Croyle played as well as he did. That only plays out well for the Chiefs. Croyle may have thrown well… but he also had the luxury of tossing to Bowe. Also, even though his arm looked good, remember the order of QB attributes:
Leadership first
Coverage reading second
Pass Accuracy third
Release fourth
Pass Strength fifth.
Cassel dominates points 1, 2, 3.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
I'll take coverage reading and pass accuracy over leadership
As a QB, if you can’t do those things you won’t win games. Leadership comes with maturity and can certainly be learned, for most.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Aug 19, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The only way to consistently win
is to get the most out of every player on the field. The guy that makes this happen in the heat of the game is the quarterback. When the rest of the team believes that the QB is going to put everything on the line for them, they respond by giving him their all. This trait is called leadership.
If you haven’t recently, I suggest you watch this game, one of the most epic battles between two leaders. You can see the sacrifice from the offense and defense for Montana. As well as what Montana (past his prime and undoubtedly in pain) gives to his teammates and the level of play he demands from everyone around him.
Sorry to be stuck on Montana, but here is a great little write-up on his lack of physical attributes but excellent vision and leadership.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Well Babb succeeded to the tune of 135 replies and this is why they do it.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
honestly its the source
I know many of us have called out babb on here for whacky info, and ill stick to it, hes the one that said the D was behind the O…I just dont believe Babb, Im sorry but Cassel ran a 1 step drop quick pass or a shotgun quick pass, they didnt let him open it up and mostly he didnt have a wideout named bowe, or even bradley to throw to…
Croyle is talented but cmon…Cassel is the guy…if you bench cassel then what, he comes off the bench does well and hes still the guy that cant be the starter? sigh.
well as far as im concerned
this is the best news ive heard in a while :D
Honestly, who doesn’t think Croyle’s arm is as good as Cassels? His only liability IMO is his durability. So you put him in and if he stays healthy than thats good cus hes a damn good QB. If he goes down, than you get the depth chart most Croyle haters wanted all along: Cassel – Thiggy – Guitierrez.
Who loses if Croyle becomes a starter?
he was injured. injured bad.
The Chiefs
Because his offensive line will be just as bad if not worse than last year, and because he’s never stayed healthy for any significant period of time, and because the team’s never won a game with him as the starter, and because if the Chiefs are going to run the Wildcat they’re better off with a combo of Cassel and Thigpen.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Oh, And
Because he’s basically in Michael Vick’s class as a passer…which isn’t good. He still hasn’t shown he can consistently complete passes downfield against NFL starters (as opposed to the 2nd string scrubs he’s playing against in preseason). Go look at his career YPA and YPC numbers…the only reason his completion percentage is mediocre instead of terrible is because he rarely goes deep.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
when was a play allowed to develop that long?
when you can hardly get in a 3 step drop before someones in your face than how are you supposed to let deep plays develop? Plus I can think of several really nice deep passes from Croyle that were completed and a handfull more, like one against Tennessee where he literally had a defender hangin on his jersey when he zipped one 35ish yds down field right to Bowe in stride where it was promptly dropped.
as far as wildcat. youre right about that, I just hope we dont run wildcat.
he was injured. injured bad.
Somehow Huard Was Able To Post Better Numbers Than Croyle While Playing Behind The Same O-Line
So let’s not start this whole bogus “But Brodie didn’t have a chance” argument. He never at any point outperformed his backups. Both Thigpen and Huard were better and more effective QBs.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Thigpen had a different playbook
And Huard was at the time a better QB for that type of football.
he was injured. injured bad.
And Huard Wasn't That Good Last Year
And Huard was at the time a better QB for that type of football.
So if Huard was barely mediocre and Croyle was worse than mediocre while playing for the same team behind the same line, what should that tell you about Croyle?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Im not talking about last yaer
im talking about 07. I think Croyle was better in 08 than Huard.
he was injured. injured bad.
No, He Wasn't
And the passing stats show that clearly.
Huard was far better in completion percentage, yards per attempt and yards per completion. Croyle had a slight edge in TD/INT ratio, but that was more than offset by Huard’s dominance in other areas and, again, Croyle also didn’t play well enough in any of his games to help his team win.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Wow congrats Huard
In however many games, he had .4 better YPA, 7.3% worse completion pct. Im talking about 2008
In 2007, Huard had a 76.8 QB rating, which is only slightly less than about the average for that year which was the same year the number was skewed higher by insane performances by guys like Brady. In 2007, Huard wasn’t hated like he is now and was last year. Aside from that, he was a vet and Croyle was a first time starter who still mounted a 69.9 QB rating.
he was injured. injured bad.
Again
Im talking about 2008
Yeah, and I have no idea why you keep talking about 2008 because Croyle only attempted 29 passes all year because he couldn’t stay on the field for more than part of two games. That’s like saying that if I throw only one pass for the Chiefs in a game and complete it for a TD I must be a better QB than Joe Montana because my completion percentage is 100%.
Aside from that, he was a vet and Croyle was a first time starter who still mounted a 69.9 QB rating.
So now you’re admitting that Croyle wasn’t better than Huard in 2007?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
never said he was better in 2007
in fact I clearly said one post ago,
im talking about 07. I think Croyle was better in 08 than Huard.
he was injured. injured bad.
And I Pointed Out That's A Flawed Argument
Because Croyle only attempted 29 passes in 2008 and was only on the field for part of two games (both of which were losses in which he played not very well).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Played not very well...
wow… okay.
I guess I just totally disagree with that. I wish I could find stats on drops, do you know where I could find those? Croyle went 11-19 against NE for 88 yards, an admittedly average day, but went 9 for 10 against Tennessee for 63 yards. Each of those games he had a pass for at least 20 yards. I dont see how you can say he played “not very well” unless you mean it in the most literal sense, where he would have had to have done better than just play well, but play very well.
he was injured. injured bad.
Stats
I wish I could find stats on drops, do you know where I could find those?
ESPN and NFL.com both have them…you have to do a little digging, though, as they’re not easy to find.
Croyle went 11-19 against NE for 88 yards, an admittedly average day, but went 9 for 10 against Tennessee for 63 yards
That would be an average of 8 yards per completion against New England and 7 yards per completion against Tennessee, both games in which he was knocked out with injuries. Against New England Huard went 8-12 for 118 yards (14.75 yards per attempt) and passed for a TD (which Croyle failed to do). Against Tennessee, Huard went 9-16 for 96 yards (10 yards per completion) before being knocked out with an injury. Huard outperformed Croyle against the same opponent in both of the games Croyle played in.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
last post before bed:
I’d like to see the scores when Huard went in each time. Situationally they could have had totally different advantages/disadvantages.
he was injured. injured bad.
The Situation Was That They Were Losing Each Time Huard Went In
Huard took the Chiefs on the TD drive against the Patriots and did better than Croyle but nothing of note in the blowout against Tennessee before getting injured.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
In '08
Croyle was getting 40% of Huard’s practice snaps. How can you expect that his play won’t decline?
Once, I urinated a whole hotdog.
by LarryDoggyDog on Aug 19, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ill give you stats
2007-08 Croyle 6 td’s
2007-08 Hurad 13td’s
2008 Thigpen 18 td’s
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
furthermore
Right off the bat, his very first start against the Indianapolis Colts, Croyle outplayed Peyton Manning.
To say he didnt play well enough in any games to help us win is simply inaccurate.
he was injured. injured bad.
Did He Win The Indianapolis Game?
Did he throw for 300 yards? Did he throw multiple TDs?
Croyle outplayed Peyton Manning
That would be a compelling argument if Manning hadn’t performed terribly that day.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Putting so much weight on W/L is silly
Archie Manning was a 2 time pro bowler with a 26.3 % winning percentage.
Other people needed to perform, and that loss if I remember correctly was largely due to terible clock management on the part of the coaching staff.
he was injured. injured bad.
Win-Loss Is Inaccurate When Used As The Only Criteria By Which To Judge Players
But in Croyle’s case it’s indicative of the fact that Croyle has rarely performed well enough not to lose, let alone well enough to win. He’s been a pretty terrible QB in fact for his pro career.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
And His Passing Stats And A Comparison To His Backups Support This
There isn’t a legitimate statistical argument out there to demonstrate that Brodie Croyle has been even a decent QB for his pro career.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Croyle was the starter last season the offense was set for him
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
it was set for him
by people who didnt know how to set. or at least people who did but had a leash on them.
he was injured. injured bad.
And Yet Huard Was Still Able To Function In That Offense And Win A Game
So if Huard was barely mediocre and Croyle couldn’t outperform Huard, what should that tell you about Croyle?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
No, You Didn't
You ducked the question with a cherrypicked answer.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Whoops...Correction
You made the argument that Croyle was a better QB than Huard in a year in which Croyle only attempted 29 passes because he couldn’t stay on the field.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I hear a lot of people saying Croyle has such a great arm
Can you show me that stats that prove it? Because his NFL stats that I have found don’t show a great arm.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
He's Got A Very Good Arm
He just can’t hit anything with it consistently.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
to be fair
thats not easy when you have no confidence in your o-line, nor should you.
he was injured. injured bad.
See David Carr
What a great pickup by the Giants, btw
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Aug 19, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
definitely
i think if croyle had a chance though he could prove to be more talented than carr.
Carr was certainly more durable than Croyle however that much is clear.
he was injured. injured bad.
And You Think The O-Line Has Improved?
It’s the pretty much the same group of players as last year…just one year older.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Same group with another year of chemistry
Which definitely helps. It is yet to be seen whether our OLine is improved, however.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
And I Don't Care If It's Not Easy
His backups were able to perform at an acceptable level so I don’t really care what Croyle’s reasons for failing were. Point is that he was the third-best QB on the roster last season in games that mattered and that he can’t be trusted to stay healthy.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I also
would take issue with the claim that Huard faired better in 2008 than Croyle. Croyle was running like 9/10 and then 66% in the other game averaging like 8 yds per pass in those games.
then as i said with Thiggy, he played significantly worse than croyle in the same playbook, i think it was against Atlanta.
he was injured. injured bad.
I Have No Idea What You Were Saying With Your Statistical Argument
But the passing stats all back up my point that Huard was a better passer than Croyle last year. Not to mention that Huard’s performance actually helped the Chiefs win a game last year…and Croyle’s performance has yet to rise to the level where he’s not a liability.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
What im saying is:
In 2008, Croyle had an 81.3 QB rating
In 2008, Huard had a 65.7 QB rating.
Idk why youre saying Huard played better than Croyle did last year. You can hardly even make a judgement, but if you did objectively, you’d have to say Croyle played better.
he was injured. injured bad.
Croyle only had like 30 passes last year
and only about a 5 yard avg
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year his YPA was 5.2
Huard’s was 5.9.
Furthermore when Croyle had a decent sample sizing when he started those games as a soph in 07, he played better than Huard did in 08, and I dont think its unreasonable to assume that at that point in Croyle’s career, he would have improved those numbers.
he was injured. injured bad.
Who Cares?
He had 29 pass attempts all season because he couldn’t stay on the field for more than part of two games.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Also
Furthermore when Croyle had a decent sample sizing when he started those games as a soph in 07, he played better than Huard did in 08
That’s called cherrypicking. It’s an inaccurate form of debate. The only legitimate comparison between the two is to compare their stats in the same years because they’d be playing with the same supporting casts.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
No its not because the conditions are similar
In years where each player started the year as the teams second string, behind similar offensive lines and with more similar levels of experience, Croyle performed better. Its only a one year difference as well, not some era to era comparison where the game was revolutionized or the playcalling mindset of the organization was drastically different.
There’s variables in each comparison because Huard played against different opponents with different injuries, weather conditions, etc.
Honestly to expect a first year starter, second year player coming in mid season to perform better than an experienced veteran coming off a playoff season where he played well enough to take a team to the playoffs seems unreasonable to me.
he was injured. injured bad.
Sigh
In years where each player started the year as the teams second string, behind similar offensive lines and with more similar levels of experience
Again, that’s called “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherrypicking" target="new">cherrypicking".
Croyle has never outperformed Damon Huard as a QB. That’s reflected by both the passing stats in the years they played with the same personnel and by the win-loss record for each QB.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Stupid Link
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Huard not really an experienced vet
he had only started in 6 games before coming to KC and was out of football for the two years before.
Honestly if you have to argue if Croyle is better than Huard then that doesn’t say much for Croyle. Huard had some good games but I would never call him a starting QB.
If you want to compare, Thigpen was better than both. If Thigpen had a top 15 defense like Croyle/Huard had in 2007, he would have won a lot more games in 2008.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
QB Rating Is An Inaccurate Tool
Frankly, I have no idea why it’s even used,
But as for 2008, who really cares? Croyle didn’t perform well enough to win in any of the games he played in and he only had 29 pass attempts all year because he couldn’t stay healthy for more than part of two games.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I agree
but you keep saying “Last Year” which is 2008 since its now 2009.
he was injured. injured bad.
Huh?
Sorry, but we’ve posted on so many different reply threads that I’m missing your point on this one.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
yeah im getting really confused as well
I think you should just go to bed, sleep on it, maybe pray to the ghost of Derrick Thomas, and wake up and realize that Im right about everything, then come back on here tomorrow and profusely apologize to me and the entire Croyle family :)
he was injured. injured bad.
I Think I Will Head Off To Bed
Good fencing with you (although you’re never going to convince me of Croyle’s worthiness until the Chiefs win at least one game where he starts)…have a good night. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Hey man, that guy doesn’t even have the Chiefs listed as one of his teams he roots for on his SB profile page, I think he’s just trying to mess with you. You gotta watch out for these provocateurs (trolls).
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He Does Have The Crimson Tide Listed, Though
So his defense Croyle is understandable. Doesn’t really matter…we encourage fans from any team to post here as long as they respect the rules about attacking the argument and not the person, and that’s what he did. Troy’s fine.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
ok
then what makes him have a great arm then?
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
i dont know brodie looked great against the second string guys
and he had bowe to throw to . which makes things a whole lot diff . haley needs to put dbowe show in first string to help cassel. also brodie has nothing to lose out there which is helping probably play better its tough when every member of the chief organization is putting the entire franchise on your shoulder now he has no pressure at all he is just playing perhaps thats what he needed to do just develop come in and ball. who knows . I dont really care who is the qb as long as we win.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Bowe's a washed up 3rd stringer.
Croyle made him look like a starter. =)
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 19, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
People are crazy.....
I can’t even believe that so many think that “Brokie” is better now because he was throwing to Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley while Cassel was throwing to Terrance Copper and Devard Darling. Also Cassel was only given 5 (2-5 passing) chances to throw the ball while Croyle was given 18 (12-18 passing) whole chances to throw the ball. Cassel was completely hamstrung while “Brokie” was given the chance to succeed, and maybe that’s all that was, just to see, THAT NIGHT, what Brodie could do, in case we ever should lose Cassel, and how does he compare to Thigpen. Screw these media whores who probably aren’t even from Kansas City originally that are just out there trying to just stir stuff up and create a “buzz”. Fuck your medicine, we don’t need that shit here, you’re helping way to many people think way too inrrationally and illogically about this.
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Aug 19, 2009 1:52 AM CDT reply actions
Missing the Point...
Croyle has looked good and looked great in the preseason game. Regardless of who he was throwing to or against, the man was on target. I applaud that. I love the fact that he is starting to come into his own. The better Croyle plays, the more it will push Cassel. No doubt in my mind that Cassel is the starter. The point is, with Croyle playing well, if Cassel does gets hurt (God forbid), we have a legitimate QB to come in and hold down the fort. Of course, it may not be for too long, but at least he’s proving he is worth retaining…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
you can't say someone looked great when they didn't score a TD!
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
great point!!!
what happens in the preseason and training camp doesnt matter if you cant even throw for a TD or stay healthy for that matter!!!
by chiefs4ever1 on Aug 19, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure I Can...
and I think I did. Doesn’t matter that he didn’t score. He was on target and looked like a legit QB for once in his career. Are you going to say that Thigpen looked good just because he did score a TD? Preseason is about the evaluation of players more than anything. I read a quote from Haley that he doesn’t want to show too much, so he’s basically trying several different things. I’m paraphrasing of course, but the gist of preseason is to see who is ready to receive the Arrowhead. From what I’ve seen through camp and preseason game numero uno, Croyle is hungry for his.
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 19, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
well yes you are right that you can say great but you wouldn't be right.
Croyle had the starting receivers starting LT and still couldn’t get in the end zone, and he is lucky our kicker has a strong leg or he wouldn’t of even go 3 points. Bowe had to make a diving catch then another time had to get jump ball over the middle exposing himself to injury in a preseason game. IMO that doesn’t sound great.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 19, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Who missed the point?
‘Cause I just read your reply and it appears we’re actually saying the same thing….But for Babb and so many people to say that Brodie should be the starter after what happened in the game the other night is non-sense…You know, shaking things up and changing things are only good WHEN THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED, otherwise, it’s stupid because it never allows your players to get into a groove and find out what their OWN strengths and weaknesses are. To change and shake things up is one thing, but to do that just for the sake of doing it makes no sense at all.
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Aug 19, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A loaded question by the press
go figure.
Any answer given to that question would have spelled trouble for Haley, even the non answer.
The press is great at this kind of stuff, instead of reporting the news they try to make some up. After all making stuff up makes them more money then actually reporting the facts.
And people just love gossip and controversy.
I believe Haley will choose the person who he thinks will give this team the best chance to win, I take him at his word when he says everyone has a clean slate.
I believe he will sit a player down on the bench if that player is not doing it the Haley way, even if that player is the best player on the team.
Sure the coaches job is to win games, but you better win those games the Haley way.
I really don’t care who starts at QB.
I personally don’t think any of them are great QB’s, they are mediocre at best, but mediocre will work if the team as a whole plays well together.
What really matters is getting this team on the winning path again, once you have that you can then start to build and mold it into a winning franchise that will dominate for years down the road.
I do not know who the starter will be, but if I had to guess I would guess Cassel.
I will say this though, do not get attached to any one player, because you might get your heart broken when the cuts come in a few weeks.
I cant wait to see who makes it and who doesn’t, there could be some real long faces around here.
Does anyone remember last season
Cassel didnt have a solid preseason last year with the pats and as far as I can remember barely made the #2 spot!
How do any of you know who brings leadership in their huddle?
Cassel may not be the white knight we think he is. Plus Brodie’s injuries were just extremely unlucky. He wasn’t fragile, he was the most sacked qb in the league who took too many shots to the shoulder, and then one big shot to the knee that would’ve knocked even guys like Ray Lewis out for a season. Give the guy a break, let the best qb win this job.
Leadership For A QB
Is completing passes and staying on the field. Croyle’s never demonstrated he can do either sufficiently.
Plus Brodie’s injuries were just extremely unlucky.
When a guy blows out his ACL once, he’s possibly just unlucky. When he blows it out three separate times, he’s fragile.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
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