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The 2-5-4 Formation, Corey Mays, and other Preseason Week 1 Ramblings



With the exception of Dwayne Bowe, the stars were not out on Saturday night. Judging by that game only, the Kansas City Chiefs should have a starting lineup without their newest multimillion dollar player Cassel, and instead have guys like Jovan Belcher, Rodney Wright, Brodie Croyle, and Dantrell Savage playing on a regular basis.

Star-divide

While its fairly well reported that Dwayne Bowe was being sent a message by being demoted to third team this past week, this message hurt more than just Bowe, it hurt his new quarterback, Matt Cassel, who clearly was being punished having to play with the likes of Terrance Copper and Devard Darling.

Matt Cassel's loss was Brodie Croyle's gain, as he had the opportunity to play with the two starting wide receiver from last season, Bowe and Mark Bradley. Croyle made the most of his fortune and went 12 for 18 for 145 yards.

While his playing time only led to one field goal, that was more due to Haley going for it on two consecutive fourth-down's than it was Croyle's inability to move the offense.

In fact, he seemed to do a very good job getting into a rhythm and threw the ball accurately to his wide receivers. He was already in the lead for the No. 2 spot behind Cassel, and if he has another game like this, he may lock it up for good.

 

2-5-4 Formation

For all teams, most preseason games follow the same type of mold—get the starters in just long enough to get some reps, and get them out before anyone is injured.

There is also an unwritten rule for coaches that you don't show any complex blitzes or formations before the games count for anything. You didn't see Miami running the Wildcat formation in preseason last year did you?

Because of this, I was expecting the Chiefs to run a base 3-4 defense for most of the game, and maybe show a 4-3 look every once in a while. But they didn't.

They did indeed run base 3-4 most of the game, but instead of showing the 4-3 a few times, I counted at least four times they showed a 2-5-4 formation, and a 1-5-5 formation once at the end of the game.

The Chiefs showing these formations really surprised me, and had me wondering what else they had up their sleeve scheme-wise that they are waiting for the regular season to unveil. While I'm not here to speculate exactly, it is an interesting subject nonetheless.

With the 2-5 formation, they mixed up the personnel quite a bit.

They showed it three different times on the second defensive series of the game, twice on back to back plays—first and 21 followed by second and 18. The two down linemen for these two plays were Ron Edwards and Tyson Jackson.

The third time that series they showed the 2-5, it was Edwards and Alphonso Boone as the linemen.

One the next defensive series, the third of the game, they showed the 2-5 once with Jackson and Alex Magee with their hands in the dirt.

Every time the Chiefs showed a 2-5 formation it was a passing down-and-distance for obvious reasons, and clearly with only two linemen, they both need to be stout against the run just in case the offense runs a draw play.

As far as the 1-5-5 formation goes, it was third and nine, at the end of the game, and I believe Houston had a 4WR set. I couldn't get a good look at the formation, as the camera was zoomed in, but there was one down lineman with three linebackers on the line rushing, with two more standing slightly behind them.

Seeing these formations immediately called to mind the Patriots, as Belichick is famous for running insane formations like the 2-5, 1-6, and even the 0-7 a few times. Pioli is clearly familiar with these, as Pendergast and the Cardinals did not run these formations last year.

As fans, expect to see the 2-5 on obvious passing downs, as Haley clearly believes the linebackers are a strength on this team, which is a drastic change from last year's squad.

 

Corey Mays

Mays is no longer just competing for a roster spot on this team, he might be in a dead heat competition with Zach Thomas the starting spot next to Derrick Johnson. Since mini-camp he has impressed the coaches, and this past Saturday he was all over the place making plays.

In the short amount of time he was in, he accumulated five tackles, and one pass deflection. It seemed as though the announcer was calling his name every play.

Mays originally signed a contract with the Chiefs expecting to compete for a roster spot as a special teams ace and a backup linebacker. He has far exceeded those expectations thus far, and continues to impress everyone involved.

In the two seasons he's been in the NFL with Cincinnati and New England, he accumulated 38 special teams tackles, and that’s exactly what he was planning on doing here.

Evidently though, there was something inside of him that neither of those coaching staffs saw, something that has come out of him since he has been here in Kansas City.

Zach Thomas can be a valuable asset for the Chiefs whether he starts or not. If Corey Mays keeps playing this well, there is no way he should not be starting at the strongside inside linebacker position next to Derrick Johnson.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Mays is no longer just competing for a roster spot on this team, he might be in a dead heat competition with Zach Thomas the starting spot next to Derrick Thomas.

You mean Derrick Johnson….I hope.

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Aug 18, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a moron

haha yes I meant derrick johnson

by KU2010 on Aug 19, 2009 12:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If you're gonna

fuck up, that’s a good fuck-up.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2-5-4

I noticed that they ran that formation whenever it was 3rd and 5 or longer. With Hali and Studebaker it was like running a 4-3 with the DE’s standing up. They did get alot of pressure on the QB out of that formation too.

by TonyG88 on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

seemed to be effective

This formation seemed to get pressure on the qb well. Studebaker was another guy who stepped up his game, getting several QB hurries..

by KU2010 on Aug 19, 2009 12:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the Cassel thoughts

Anything taken from the first game in regards to Cassel other than him breathing and standing is just plain foolish.
1) As we have seen in the past the offense is going to be “vanilla” in preseason as far as running plays, so as not to give away any specifics on how we will operate
2) Cassel was not going to be put in any kind of do or die situations
3) It doesn’t matter who was in there with Cassel to catch the ball, things were done “robotically” to put other in situations for a better look from the coaches.
Winning a preseason game was a joke, is a joke and always will be a joke because it doesn’t mean anything. Scrubs who screw up in a preseason game enough to get cut, are already screwing up in practices everyday, hence their playing time in the third or fourth quarter.

I can agree with your thoughts on Mays, he brought his lunch to work Saturday night! Let’s hope for consistency and not a letdown such as Nap Harris.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

defense usually vanilla too

See usually the defense is also very plain in preseason along with the offensive play calling. Hence my surprise when we were running all kinds of formations. it was an odd thing to do and caught my attention, thats all.

as far as cassel goes, nobody can accurately judge his perfomance until he’s playing with real WR’s to throw to.

by KU2010 on Aug 19, 2009 12:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
Zach Thomas can be a valuable asset for the Chiefs whether he starts or not. If Corey Mays keeps playing this well, there is no way he should not be starting at the strongside inside linebacker position next to Derrick Johnson.

I have no problem with paying Zach Thomas $1 million to be a consultant for the younger LB’s =)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the 1-6

is called the eagle..

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Aug 18, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had no idea it had a name

Nice work on the little tid bit. Any other formations like that have special names?

by KU2010 on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

NIce post Rec

I liked all three points made.
Now if we can explain a 7-yard cushion at CB?

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too

When I saw Flowers giving 7 yd. cushions I made a note of it, I just couldnt figure out the reason. It’s not like Andre Johnson is Randy Moss and can blow right by him whenever he wants.. It was confusing for sure.

by KU2010 on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think Andre Johnson has a better chance of blowing by someone than Moss does – he’s a pretty freakin’ good receiver, and relies on his speed more than Moss does.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 19, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why if MY defense were facing the guy,

I’d admit that it’s gonna cost 2 hats to stop/slow the guy, and have one guy up at the line jammin’ him, another guy there to help, and a 3rd guy keeping a weather ey on his side of the field. I’ve never understood giving great WRs the free release. The more you respect them, the more you help them hurt you, to my way of thinking. Heck, I’d even look into smacking him with a LB with Flowers that same 7 yards behind, ready to take over.

But ya gotta mix things up on people, and in preseason game 1, why not see what happens with man-off? There was talk early on in OTAs by Flowers, I believe, when he said one of the NEW things in Pendergast’s defense was playing off, and keeping your eyes on the QB as long as possible and use that apparent passivity to give yourself a better break on the ball if it comes out early, because your eyes are upfield longer. Anyway, that’s what I took from it, even though when he said it, I was scratching my head, because I thought the Chiefs played off too much, before Haley was even a rumor.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice answer

makes sense still want to see the CB’s up closer to the line:)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it makes since

to have your eyes on the QB longer, but that’s what gets you beat as a CB. Taking your eyes of the WR and looking at the QB is generally a bad thing.

I’m against it. I’d much rather have Flowers up there at the line and have Page/Pollard over the top with their eyes on the QB. Jamming at the line throws off the timing of the routes, and allows the pass rush more time to disrupt the QB.

We’ll see what happens with this Pendergast Defense in the coming weeks, but I do like the new formations a lot.

by KU2010 on Aug 20, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're "off" the receiver AND the QB are both in view for longer.

But most of my thoughts on this seem contrary to what the experts say.

For instance, I’d put the bigger player up at the line for the jam and the smaller quicker player behind him, in an inverted coverage. Pittsburgh did this against AZ, bringing Polamalu up to the line to challenge the WR and either help in coverage or blitz from the forward position after the jam. So Lebeau is about the only clown around who seems to agree with me.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 20, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mays

is gonna be a force on this team

by reedeasy on Aug 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for posting this, KU.

I made a comment about this in another thread. I’m really glad you made FanPost out of it (and other things). My t.v. sucks, and my eyes aren’t geting any better, so the only time I knew for sure (or THOUGHT I knew for sure) who the 2 down linemen were was when it was Jackson and Magee. Thanks a TON for fleshing this out, more.

But I’ll disagree with you on this in any way hurting Cassel. He didn’t have great numbers, but so what? He was accurate, and the Chiefs got a GOOD take on the guys who DID start (discounting for the monsoon conditions). They saw how some of their “on-the-bubble” WRs could do, with CASSEL throwing to them. It’s actually a better evaluation if they’re the guys who need the looks. Getting the RIGHT receivers on the 53-man roster comes first. Developing chemistry with Cassel comes second to that.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 3:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anytime

Glad I could help out by posting who the linemen were. I definitely felt it was relevant to see who the coaching staff had out there in various formations, and I couldn’t get down who all 5 LBs were when they were in that formation.

I didn’t care about it hurting Cassel for that game, my main concern is him developing chemistry to the WR’s he’s going to be throwing to in the future, and getting more game time experience with those guys. Because the WR’s dropped passes, he was only able to throw 5 passes for the game. He’s still a young quarterback with less game experience than Matt Ryan. This playing time for him is valuable. We need to use it to the fullest.

by KU2010 on Aug 20, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Wrecked.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 3:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice comments on Mays, too.

I think all of AP agree, and I appreciate your elaborations on the matter.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 3:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for the record

they did run a 4-3 at least once when they were in a goal-line/obvious running situation. I do remember this.

by jonnyu on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I missed the 4-3

I did see the goal line defense at, well, the goal line. I did miss the 4-3 though. Thanks.

by KU2010 on Aug 20, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and even what looked like 5-man fronts.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 20, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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